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Evening Jim,

Thank you very much for making this issue so clear.

Sounds as if your friend is a guy I would love to live across the street from.

In addition, there exist a lot of old proverbs that one needs to know when

tackling new

projects.

One that comes to mind is.....

" He that knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool. "

The first thing that a person learns like me and your friend, is.... to

develop a strong

up-link to experts in virtually every field he will be working in.

I am not an engineer, but I have spent my whole life correcting their errors.

Having close friends that are Electronic, Electrical, and Mechanical

engineers makes many projects possible.

And of course if I was ready to start the project in question, I would need

a friend like .

I have no intention of starting this project in the near future. I would

expect a year of study to get started toward first base.

Typically, I measure the success of my projects in thousands of hours of fun !

Some call us inventors. I have made a few trips to the patent office and

now have a few

worthless .... expired patents.

Wayne

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Evening Jim,

Thank you very much for making this issue so clear.

Sounds as if your friend is a guy I would love to live across the street from.

In addition, there exist a lot of old proverbs that one needs to know when

tackling new

projects.

One that comes to mind is.....

" He that knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool. "

The first thing that a person learns like me and your friend, is.... to

develop a strong

up-link to experts in virtually every field he will be working in.

I am not an engineer, but I have spent my whole life correcting their errors.

Having close friends that are Electronic, Electrical, and Mechanical

engineers makes many projects possible.

And of course if I was ready to start the project in question, I would need

a friend like .

I have no intention of starting this project in the near future. I would

expect a year of study to get started toward first base.

Typically, I measure the success of my projects in thousands of hours of fun !

Some call us inventors. I have made a few trips to the patent office and

now have a few

worthless .... expired patents.

Wayne

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Dear Jim, I am not sure what your post means, however I am not stupid and

anyone can well imagine how to make a HBOT chamber, However I have made it

my goal to go along with the safety laws of this nation inorder that HBOT

does not become a " alternative method " of health care rather a common factor

and Used first and NOT last. I feel that we can change the methods of health

care in this nation by allowing the medical community to see that we are

well educated Large group of Freestanding centers who give safe Physician

prescribed HBOT sessions allowing for the very best in care, In doing so we

must go along with the Laws of the governing body who hold the title on

design and structure of these wonderful life saving Machines. We must obey

the law for structure and safety and use wisdom So that Freestanding centers

are not coined a group of unorganized uneducated fools who use propane tanks

for medical care.

My goal is that children who have neurological damage are put into chambers

because science has proven that it can help them lead the type of life that

should have been allotted to them.

Therefore it is paramount that we project ourselves as this type of well

organized group of people.

Along with this, we are also cutting the cost of this type of treatment.

I believe that human life is well worth this effort and will stand with

these goals.

I have no doubt that this man means well and could in fact make a pressure

vessel that could work. However, I would not subject myself nor anyone else

to a HBOT chamber that was not corrected constructed and lawful. WHY?

because it would appear unsafe to the medical community as a whole.

YOU do not know that it was unheard of to have children treated in 1994,

therefore I was forced to go to new Orleans for my children EVEN though I

was a chamber operator in 1994 and worked in a HBOT center, THEY would not

treat my children.

With in the last ten years my goal is coming true with the opening of

freestanding centers who will treat these dear children.

I am sorry you do not understand. I hope someday you will

Re: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

> ,

>

> WHen raising children, I repeat the following phrase a million times:

> " Nature punishes stupidity above all else! "

>

> But, I also have to say that just because you can't imagine making an

> HBOT chamber, you must realize that someone has to make them, and those

> people have the expertise necessary to figure these things out. Wayne is

> the only person on this list who would know that, based on his life

> experiences & skills. It is not in the least strange that a skilled

> technician could know these things.

>

> I had a friend years ago who barely graduated high school, but he was

> the head repairman at the main post office in DC and as a hobby he made

> experimental medical devices for the doctors at Washington

> Medical university. He was a master machinist, and he was under 30 at

> the time. If he were still around, he could make one better than the one

> you have.

>

> jim :)

>

> Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics wrote:

> >

> > RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did not

> > " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure, Understand?? He

> > took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> > IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure or air,

and he

> > simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly what I mean.

> -----

> The TRUTH in 11 words:

> Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

> -- anon

>

> jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> http://www.entrance.to/poetry

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

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Dear Jim, I am not sure what your post means, however I am not stupid and

anyone can well imagine how to make a HBOT chamber, However I have made it

my goal to go along with the safety laws of this nation inorder that HBOT

does not become a " alternative method " of health care rather a common factor

and Used first and NOT last. I feel that we can change the methods of health

care in this nation by allowing the medical community to see that we are

well educated Large group of Freestanding centers who give safe Physician

prescribed HBOT sessions allowing for the very best in care, In doing so we

must go along with the Laws of the governing body who hold the title on

design and structure of these wonderful life saving Machines. We must obey

the law for structure and safety and use wisdom So that Freestanding centers

are not coined a group of unorganized uneducated fools who use propane tanks

for medical care.

My goal is that children who have neurological damage are put into chambers

because science has proven that it can help them lead the type of life that

should have been allotted to them.

Therefore it is paramount that we project ourselves as this type of well

organized group of people.

Along with this, we are also cutting the cost of this type of treatment.

I believe that human life is well worth this effort and will stand with

these goals.

I have no doubt that this man means well and could in fact make a pressure

vessel that could work. However, I would not subject myself nor anyone else

to a HBOT chamber that was not corrected constructed and lawful. WHY?

because it would appear unsafe to the medical community as a whole.

YOU do not know that it was unheard of to have children treated in 1994,

therefore I was forced to go to new Orleans for my children EVEN though I

was a chamber operator in 1994 and worked in a HBOT center, THEY would not

treat my children.

With in the last ten years my goal is coming true with the opening of

freestanding centers who will treat these dear children.

I am sorry you do not understand. I hope someday you will

Re: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

> ,

>

> WHen raising children, I repeat the following phrase a million times:

> " Nature punishes stupidity above all else! "

>

> But, I also have to say that just because you can't imagine making an

> HBOT chamber, you must realize that someone has to make them, and those

> people have the expertise necessary to figure these things out. Wayne is

> the only person on this list who would know that, based on his life

> experiences & skills. It is not in the least strange that a skilled

> technician could know these things.

>

> I had a friend years ago who barely graduated high school, but he was

> the head repairman at the main post office in DC and as a hobby he made

> experimental medical devices for the doctors at Washington

> Medical university. He was a master machinist, and he was under 30 at

> the time. If he were still around, he could make one better than the one

> you have.

>

> jim :)

>

> Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics wrote:

> >

> > RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did not

> > " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure, Understand?? He

> > took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> > IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure or air,

and he

> > simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly what I mean.

> -----

> The TRUTH in 11 words:

> Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

> -- anon

>

> jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> http://www.entrance.to/poetry

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

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I think you missed the point.

Re: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

> ,

>

> WHen raising children, I repeat the following phrase a million times:

> " Nature punishes stupidity above all else! "

>

> But, I also have to say that just because you can't imagine making an

> HBOT chamber, you must realize that someone has to make them, and those

> people have the expertise necessary to figure these things out. Wayne is

> the only person on this list who would know that, based on his life

> experiences & skills. It is not in the least strange that a skilled

> technician could know these things.

>

> I had a friend years ago who barely graduated high school, but he was

> the head repairman at the main post office in DC and as a hobby he made

> experimental medical devices for the doctors at Washington

> Medical university. He was a master machinist, and he was under 30 at

> the time. If he were still around, he could make one better than the one

> you have.

>

> jim :)

>

> Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics wrote:

> >

> > RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did not

> > " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure, Understand?? He

> > took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> > IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure or air,

and he

> > simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly what I mean.

> -----

> The TRUTH in 11 words:

> Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

> -- anon

>

> jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> http://www.entrance.to/poetry

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

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I think you missed the point.

Re: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

> ,

>

> WHen raising children, I repeat the following phrase a million times:

> " Nature punishes stupidity above all else! "

>

> But, I also have to say that just because you can't imagine making an

> HBOT chamber, you must realize that someone has to make them, and those

> people have the expertise necessary to figure these things out. Wayne is

> the only person on this list who would know that, based on his life

> experiences & skills. It is not in the least strange that a skilled

> technician could know these things.

>

> I had a friend years ago who barely graduated high school, but he was

> the head repairman at the main post office in DC and as a hobby he made

> experimental medical devices for the doctors at Washington

> Medical university. He was a master machinist, and he was under 30 at

> the time. If he were still around, he could make one better than the one

> you have.

>

> jim :)

>

> Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics wrote:

> >

> > RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did not

> > " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure, Understand?? He

> > took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> > IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure or air,

and he

> > simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly what I mean.

> -----

> The TRUTH in 11 words:

> Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

> -- anon

>

> jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> http://www.entrance.to/poetry

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

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I think you missed the point, the article states that it was a Hypobaric

Chamber NOT a HYperbaric chamber, that is all I was trying to point out.

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> Evening Jim,

>

> Thank you very much for making this issue so clear.

>

> Sounds as if your friend is a guy I would love to live across the street

from.

>

> In addition, there exist a lot of old proverbs that one needs to know when

> tackling new

> projects.

>

> One that comes to mind is.....

>

> " He that knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool. "

>

> The first thing that a person learns like me and your friend, is.... to

> develop a strong

> up-link to experts in virtually every field he will be working in.

>

> I am not an engineer, but I have spent my whole life correcting their

errors.

>

> Having close friends that are Electronic, Electrical, and Mechanical

> engineers makes many projects possible.

>

> And of course if I was ready to start the project in question, I would

need

> a friend like .

>

> I have no intention of starting this project in the near future. I would

> expect a year of study to get started toward first base.

>

> Typically, I measure the success of my projects in thousands of hours of

fun !

> Some call us inventors. I have made a few trips to the patent office and

> now have a few

> worthless .... expired patents.

>

> Wayne

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Here in Europe, when you want to put a new technical medical product on the

market it will take you months or years to pass all the notifying body tests and

certifications.

To do it otherwise is punishable by law and will put the technique that you are

promoting in danger of being seen as dangerous and could help to outlaw it, or

at least put it's acceptence back for years.

It's better to go slow and step by careful step.

Unless ofcourse you want to have your own equipment, completely only for

yourself, in a little room under your house, where knowbody knows about and

experiment and treat yourself. Then the only risk is your own health. However

you will still damage the introduction of the medical technique in to your

country when it does happen that you blow yourself up.

I mean regulations are there not for nothing. The thing is that technique is a

blessing and regulations can be, as long as they are not used to prevent a very

promissing medical technique to be introduced. Then the regulations are used

repressively by corrupted beaurocrats and then it is for you the case to go to

court and fight, maybe lengthy, battles. Then regulations become restricted

measurements in the hands of corrupted politicians and beaurocrats that are paid

by the farmaceuticals.

I very much support in here most carefull and caring approach with HBOT.(

It is a much more dangerous technique then for example ozone sauna, which needs

every care just as well.)

When you want to be involved as well, don't take the short route. You might

destroy it for many, for many years to come.

Ps.

'Scientists discover something beautifull and politicians make it a nightmare'

We all should go back living in tribes - luxurious and loving, between 500 and

5000 people each - where we can keep a close watch on eachother and confront

eachother with eachothers behaviour. Homo Sapiens has always been a social

animal, it still is, it needs feedback. But so called democracy and civilication

consist of devide and conquer. We are all conquered and jailed in seclusion with

wive and kids. See how you can be better then your neighbour, make more money,

have better kids. It can and will be different in the future: How can we be

creative with eachother as a tribe and how can I help your kids to grow?

What happens when we don't get feedback, no compliments and no correcting

response from friends, we have a good change to become criminal.

Here in Holland for example you can see this in all parts of - so called -

society. Young moroccans, that come from a culture where direct strong

interaction is part of the daily live, grow up in this sterile surroundings,

with all this communicative damaged people that we are. So they don't get the

feedback and correction they normally get and need. Result is that they start

robbing trains.

In the, what is named, higher social surroundings you see the same thing:

Criminality, only then on massive scale.

We have been writing many many letters and send large amounts of respected

research data to the Health mininstry of the government, to the prime minister

to second and first chamber and to the Queen - yes, don't know if it is a luxury

or a burden, probably the latter for sure. Proving to these people that dental

amalgam is killing thousands and maiming millions in this country alone. But

these people are cold, they don't get feedback on their behaviour as they should

get. And so thousands perish and die from mercury poison and millions their

health is damaged. These people should be called to justice as well - just like

the little marrocan boys - but they should appear for a war crimes tribunal -

actually. This is genocide of their own people is it not?

Some Ideas I have gattered from:

'Politicians and priest, the mafia of the soul'

Autor: Osho

Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics wrote:

> Dear Jim, I am not sure what your post means, however I am not stupid and

> anyone can well imagine how to make a HBOT chamber, However I have made it

> my goal to go along with the safety laws of this nation inorder that HBOT

> does not become a " alternative method " of health care rather a common factor

> and Used first and NOT last. I feel that we can change the methods of health

> care in this nation by allowing the medical community to see that we are

> well educated Large group of Freestanding centers who give safe Physician

> prescribed HBOT sessions allowing for the very best in care, In doing so we

> must go along with the Laws of the governing body who hold the title on

> design and structure of these wonderful life saving Machines. We must obey

> the law for structure and safety and use wisdom So that Freestanding centers

> are not coined a group of unorganized uneducated fools who use propane tanks

> for medical care.

> My goal is that children who have neurological damage are put into chambers

> because science has proven that it can help them lead the type of life that

> should have been allotted to them.

> Therefore it is paramount that we project ourselves as this type of well

> organized group of people.

> Along with this, we are also cutting the cost of this type of treatment.

> I believe that human life is well worth this effort and will stand with

> these goals.

> I have no doubt that this man means well and could in fact make a pressure

> vessel that could work. However, I would not subject myself nor anyone else

> to a HBOT chamber that was not corrected constructed and lawful. WHY?

> because it would appear unsafe to the medical community as a whole.

> YOU do not know that it was unheard of to have children treated in 1994,

> therefore I was forced to go to new Orleans for my children EVEN though I

> was a chamber operator in 1994 and worked in a HBOT center, THEY would not

> treat my children.

> With in the last ten years my goal is coming true with the opening of

> freestanding centers who will treat these dear children.

> I am sorry you do not understand. I hope someday you will

>

> Re: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

>

> > ,

> >

> > WHen raising children, I repeat the following phrase a million times:

> > " Nature punishes stupidity above all else! "

> >

> > But, I also have to say that just because you can't imagine making an

> > HBOT chamber, you must realize that someone has to make them, and those

> > people have the expertise necessary to figure these things out. Wayne is

> > the only person on this list who would know that, based on his life

> > experiences & skills. It is not in the least strange that a skilled

> > technician could know these things.

> >

> > I had a friend years ago who barely graduated high school, but he was

> > the head repairman at the main post office in DC and as a hobby he made

> > experimental medical devices for the doctors at Washington

> > Medical university. He was a master machinist, and he was under 30 at

> > the time. If he were still around, he could make one better than the one

> > you have.

> >

> > jim :)

> >

> > Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics wrote:

> > >

> > > RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did not

> > > " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure, Understand?? He

> > > took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> > > IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure or air,

> and he

> > > simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly what I mean.

> > -----

> > The TRUTH in 11 words:

> > Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

> > -- anon

> >

> > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> > http://www.entrance.to/poetry

> >

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

> other alternative self-help subjects.

> >

> > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

> >

> > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

> are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

> hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

> here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

> or health care provider.

> >

> > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

> address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

> the message! :

> >

> > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

> >

> > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

> >

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Here in Europe, when you want to put a new technical medical product on the

market it will take you months or years to pass all the notifying body tests and

certifications.

To do it otherwise is punishable by law and will put the technique that you are

promoting in danger of being seen as dangerous and could help to outlaw it, or

at least put it's acceptence back for years.

It's better to go slow and step by careful step.

Unless ofcourse you want to have your own equipment, completely only for

yourself, in a little room under your house, where knowbody knows about and

experiment and treat yourself. Then the only risk is your own health. However

you will still damage the introduction of the medical technique in to your

country when it does happen that you blow yourself up.

I mean regulations are there not for nothing. The thing is that technique is a

blessing and regulations can be, as long as they are not used to prevent a very

promissing medical technique to be introduced. Then the regulations are used

repressively by corrupted beaurocrats and then it is for you the case to go to

court and fight, maybe lengthy, battles. Then regulations become restricted

measurements in the hands of corrupted politicians and beaurocrats that are paid

by the farmaceuticals.

I very much support in here most carefull and caring approach with HBOT.(

It is a much more dangerous technique then for example ozone sauna, which needs

every care just as well.)

When you want to be involved as well, don't take the short route. You might

destroy it for many, for many years to come.

Ps.

'Scientists discover something beautifull and politicians make it a nightmare'

We all should go back living in tribes - luxurious and loving, between 500 and

5000 people each - where we can keep a close watch on eachother and confront

eachother with eachothers behaviour. Homo Sapiens has always been a social

animal, it still is, it needs feedback. But so called democracy and civilication

consist of devide and conquer. We are all conquered and jailed in seclusion with

wive and kids. See how you can be better then your neighbour, make more money,

have better kids. It can and will be different in the future: How can we be

creative with eachother as a tribe and how can I help your kids to grow?

What happens when we don't get feedback, no compliments and no correcting

response from friends, we have a good change to become criminal.

Here in Holland for example you can see this in all parts of - so called -

society. Young moroccans, that come from a culture where direct strong

interaction is part of the daily live, grow up in this sterile surroundings,

with all this communicative damaged people that we are. So they don't get the

feedback and correction they normally get and need. Result is that they start

robbing trains.

In the, what is named, higher social surroundings you see the same thing:

Criminality, only then on massive scale.

We have been writing many many letters and send large amounts of respected

research data to the Health mininstry of the government, to the prime minister

to second and first chamber and to the Queen - yes, don't know if it is a luxury

or a burden, probably the latter for sure. Proving to these people that dental

amalgam is killing thousands and maiming millions in this country alone. But

these people are cold, they don't get feedback on their behaviour as they should

get. And so thousands perish and die from mercury poison and millions their

health is damaged. These people should be called to justice as well - just like

the little marrocan boys - but they should appear for a war crimes tribunal -

actually. This is genocide of their own people is it not?

Some Ideas I have gattered from:

'Politicians and priest, the mafia of the soul'

Autor: Osho

Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics wrote:

> Dear Jim, I am not sure what your post means, however I am not stupid and

> anyone can well imagine how to make a HBOT chamber, However I have made it

> my goal to go along with the safety laws of this nation inorder that HBOT

> does not become a " alternative method " of health care rather a common factor

> and Used first and NOT last. I feel that we can change the methods of health

> care in this nation by allowing the medical community to see that we are

> well educated Large group of Freestanding centers who give safe Physician

> prescribed HBOT sessions allowing for the very best in care, In doing so we

> must go along with the Laws of the governing body who hold the title on

> design and structure of these wonderful life saving Machines. We must obey

> the law for structure and safety and use wisdom So that Freestanding centers

> are not coined a group of unorganized uneducated fools who use propane tanks

> for medical care.

> My goal is that children who have neurological damage are put into chambers

> because science has proven that it can help them lead the type of life that

> should have been allotted to them.

> Therefore it is paramount that we project ourselves as this type of well

> organized group of people.

> Along with this, we are also cutting the cost of this type of treatment.

> I believe that human life is well worth this effort and will stand with

> these goals.

> I have no doubt that this man means well and could in fact make a pressure

> vessel that could work. However, I would not subject myself nor anyone else

> to a HBOT chamber that was not corrected constructed and lawful. WHY?

> because it would appear unsafe to the medical community as a whole.

> YOU do not know that it was unheard of to have children treated in 1994,

> therefore I was forced to go to new Orleans for my children EVEN though I

> was a chamber operator in 1994 and worked in a HBOT center, THEY would not

> treat my children.

> With in the last ten years my goal is coming true with the opening of

> freestanding centers who will treat these dear children.

> I am sorry you do not understand. I hope someday you will

>

> Re: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

>

> > ,

> >

> > WHen raising children, I repeat the following phrase a million times:

> > " Nature punishes stupidity above all else! "

> >

> > But, I also have to say that just because you can't imagine making an

> > HBOT chamber, you must realize that someone has to make them, and those

> > people have the expertise necessary to figure these things out. Wayne is

> > the only person on this list who would know that, based on his life

> > experiences & skills. It is not in the least strange that a skilled

> > technician could know these things.

> >

> > I had a friend years ago who barely graduated high school, but he was

> > the head repairman at the main post office in DC and as a hobby he made

> > experimental medical devices for the doctors at Washington

> > Medical university. He was a master machinist, and he was under 30 at

> > the time. If he were still around, he could make one better than the one

> > you have.

> >

> > jim :)

> >

> > Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics wrote:

> > >

> > > RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did not

> > > " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure, Understand?? He

> > > took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> > > IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure or air,

> and he

> > > simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly what I mean.

> > -----

> > The TRUTH in 11 words:

> > Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!

> > -- anon

> >

> > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> > http://www.entrance.to/poetry

> >

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

> other alternative self-help subjects.

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Dear Wayne I was talking about the article which the man died in a Hypobaric

chamber, NOT a hyperbaric Chamber. I was not speaking to you

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Evening ,

I did not mean to stir up a hornets nest, but as long as they are circling,

I usually duck and run.

However, I do have one or two logical questions.

> However I have made it

>my goal to go along with the safety laws of this nation inorder that HBOT

>does not become a " alternative method "

So..... national safety laws govern this machine? No one conspired to

violate these laws.

>>I have no doubt that this man means well and could in fact make a

pressure

>vessel that could work. However, I would not subject myself nor anyone else

>to a HBOT chamber that was not corrected constructed and lawful. WHY?

In case you are talking about me....... When I was manufacturing medical

products, one company did in fact try to get me to build some HBOT related

devices. After I did all the patent searches, I declined !

That should let you know I am a law abiding citizen.

>>With in the last ten years my goal is coming true with the opening of

>freestanding centers who will treat these dear children.

>I am sorry you do not understand. I hope someday you will

You address many subjects, and it is hard for me to relate all of these

to my present line of thought.

I thought our main concern was safety, design, and possible patent

violations. My primary daily business involves

system design and installation that are governed by Life Safety

Code, ADA, and All electrical codes.

This spells SAFETY to me in all caps.

And yes, I am a certified Electrical Inspector. I have several

certifications by the International Association of Electrical Inspectors.

Hopefully, now, you need not worry. Likely I won't build one of these

tomorrow. But, I assure you, if I live another 63 years, I may likely try

it before I die.

Has the accidents with these devices been so great as to cause alarm? I am

of the mind set that defined and undefined risks face us each day in

virtually everything we do.

Of course I analyze these risks before I take them. If I decide to " beat

the train " I better be prepared for a big bang.

And believe it or not, when the circling bees I referenced in line 1, sting

me, I do not even stop cutting the grass.

That include wasps, honey bees, and bumble bees. Have not been hit by a

hornet yet.

I am also a bee keeper. Could I send you a jar of honey to show my good

intentions?

Wayne

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Dear Wayne I was talking about the article which the man died in a Hypobaric

chamber, NOT a hyperbaric Chamber. I was not speaking to you

Re: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

Evening ,

I did not mean to stir up a hornets nest, but as long as they are circling,

I usually duck and run.

However, I do have one or two logical questions.

> However I have made it

>my goal to go along with the safety laws of this nation inorder that HBOT

>does not become a " alternative method "

So..... national safety laws govern this machine? No one conspired to

violate these laws.

>>I have no doubt that this man means well and could in fact make a

pressure

>vessel that could work. However, I would not subject myself nor anyone else

>to a HBOT chamber that was not corrected constructed and lawful. WHY?

In case you are talking about me....... When I was manufacturing medical

products, one company did in fact try to get me to build some HBOT related

devices. After I did all the patent searches, I declined !

That should let you know I am a law abiding citizen.

>>With in the last ten years my goal is coming true with the opening of

>freestanding centers who will treat these dear children.

>I am sorry you do not understand. I hope someday you will

You address many subjects, and it is hard for me to relate all of these

to my present line of thought.

I thought our main concern was safety, design, and possible patent

violations. My primary daily business involves

system design and installation that are governed by Life Safety

Code, ADA, and All electrical codes.

This spells SAFETY to me in all caps.

And yes, I am a certified Electrical Inspector. I have several

certifications by the International Association of Electrical Inspectors.

Hopefully, now, you need not worry. Likely I won't build one of these

tomorrow. But, I assure you, if I live another 63 years, I may likely try

it before I die.

Has the accidents with these devices been so great as to cause alarm? I am

of the mind set that defined and undefined risks face us each day in

virtually everything we do.

Of course I analyze these risks before I take them. If I decide to " beat

the train " I better be prepared for a big bang.

And believe it or not, when the circling bees I referenced in line 1, sting

me, I do not even stop cutting the grass.

That include wasps, honey bees, and bumble bees. Have not been hit by a

hornet yet.

I am also a bee keeper. Could I send you a jar of honey to show my good

intentions?

Wayne

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said, " However, I would not subject myself nor anyone else

to a HBOT chamber that was not corrected constructed and lawful. "

Who is asking you to? You have your own chamber to use for free.

Why are you giving Wayne a hard time and being so pessimistic and

doubtful about someone like Wayne being able to build a pressurized

chamber? Although challenging, there are a lot more difficult feats

of engineering than building a pressurized chamber.

> > >

> > > RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did

not

> > > " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure,

Understand?? He

> > > took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> > > IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure

or air,

> and he

> > > simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly

what I mean.

> > -----

> > The TRUTH in 11 words:

> > Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what

happened!

> > -- anon

> >

> > jlambert@i... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> > http://www.entrance.to/poetry

> >

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative

therapies, and

> other alternative self-help subjects.

> >

> > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

> >

> > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will

find here

> are for information and research purposes only. We are people

sharing

> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do

so at your

> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the

ability to

> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you

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said, " However, I would not subject myself nor anyone else

to a HBOT chamber that was not corrected constructed and lawful. "

Who is asking you to? You have your own chamber to use for free.

Why are you giving Wayne a hard time and being so pessimistic and

doubtful about someone like Wayne being able to build a pressurized

chamber? Although challenging, there are a lot more difficult feats

of engineering than building a pressurized chamber.

> > >

> > > RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did

not

> > > " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure,

Understand?? He

> > > took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> > > IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure

or air,

> and he

> > > simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly

what I mean.

> > -----

> > The TRUTH in 11 words:

> > Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what

happened!

> > -- anon

> >

> > jlambert@i... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> > http://www.entrance.to/poetry

> >

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative

therapies, and

> other alternative self-help subjects.

> >

> > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

> >

> > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will

find here

> are for information and research purposes only. We are people

sharing

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so at your

> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the

ability to

> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you

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Hello ,

Yes I read and reread article..... the point of sending it was the

concerns of whatever application or changes one make different

from standard procedures can have mishaps... utmost caution

and trust in other that you rely on for monitoring puposes...

be trusted to do their responsibilty...in this case his live in friend

or common law wife.

Further he made 49 sucessfull runs with his HYPO chamber....

and I believe their might be atheletes using this technique to

create the same amosphere they train in at high altitudes

like Hawaii and Colorado so when they run an event at sea level

they can have more oxygen... they also use it in HYPER mode

when they sleep in this mode and train at hi altitude. So I guess

how ever yopu say it ... blood getrs to be oxygenated.

But... notice... he made 49 sucessful runs without incident.

So story suports the determined and foolish.... and the weak hearted

or careless need not apply.

So what was your point ...again please...cause I am playing both

sides of the fence on this one.

thanks mike slivinski

On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:40:37 -0700 " Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics "

<hyperbaric1@...> writes:

>

> RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did not

> " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure,

> Understand?? He

> took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure or

> air, and he

> simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly what I

> mean.

> about safety... DO not Print something or a Remark unless you read

> the

> entire article, this time use a dictionary.

> Hypobaric= low pressure, Hyperbaric's= High pressure, Had he used

> Hyperbarics he would still be alive.

>

> Re: Re: HBOT-

>

>

> Hello All,

> Here is story on someone who made 49 chamber runs....but...

> died... but... it shows what can be done and what can go wrong!

>

> If you want better info on Hyperbaric info this is page

> where story is:

>

> http://www.hyperbaric-forum.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/000036.html

>

> Thanks

> Mike Slivinski

>

>

>

> Deadly hyperbaric chamber to be examined - thestar.com

> WELLAND - A coroner's jury will get a chance today to examine an

> antiquated hyperbaric chamber that turned into a death trap for a man

> obsessed with alternative medicines.

> The jurors will be taken from the Welland courthouse to a storage

> facility outside the city where the make-shift device is being kept.

> The 60-year-old boiler-like chamber - which is made of heavy-gauge

> steel

> and weighs 1,600 pounds - is the centrepiece of a coroner's inquest

> probing the death of 36-year-old Skala.

> Skala was conducting a hypobaric (low pressure) treatment for his

> persistent headaches when he suffocated inside the chamber on Jan.

> 31,

> 2000.

> His self-styled experiment involved purging all the ambient air from

> the

> chamber and sucking pure oxygen through a tube from a cylinder

> outside

> the tank.

> With conventional hyperbaric treatment, however, the air pressure

> inside

> the tank is increased.

> Originally developed to treat divers suffering from the ''bends,''

> hyperbaric chambers are now used in hospitals to treat conditions

> including carbon monoxide poisoning, cyanide poisoning, and severe

> burns.

> The jury heard that Skala had purchased the chamber from retired

> Grimsby

> businessman Arthur Bray for $1,500 in the summer of 1999 and

> installed it

> in the kitchen of his home.

> After his death, police found an elaborate system of gauges, tubes,

> and

> other devices including an air purifier, vacuum pump and compressor

> hooked up to the white cylinder.

> When he went inside for a session, his common-law wife would fasten

> the

> door with a number of heavy bolts and monitor the treatment through

> two

> small portholes on the hatch.

> There was also a porthole on the top that allowed Skala to see the

> gauges

> on the oxygen tank.

> He would bang on the chamber or give her hand signals if the wanted

> her

> to change the air pressure.

> Once inside the chamber, there was no way for him to open the hatch

> and

> get out on his own.

> He had conducted 49 sessions - which he recorded in his diary - at

> the

> time of his death.

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> Search for headache cure proved deadly - hamiltonspectator.com

> Clairmont The Hamilton Spectator

> Skala said if the 60-year-old jerry-rigged hyperbaric chamber

> he

> bought for $1,500 wouldn't stop his headaches, he was " going to die

> trying " to find a cure.

> Then on Jan. 31, 2000, he slid inside the 2.7-metre-long,

> shoulder-wide

> cylinder wedged between the fridge and stove in his Fonthill kitchen.

> And, just like she had done 48 times before, his pregnant common-law

> wife

> Lorrie Welsh used a power tool to securely bolt shut the air-tight

> steel

> hatch. She turned a dial that fed oxygen into her husband's mask,

> started

> a vacuum that sucked the rest of the air out of the chamber, waited

> for

> his 'thumbs-up' signal, then went into the living room to read a

> book to

> her four-year-old son.

> Twenty minutes later Skala suffocated to death.

> A coroner's inquest began yesterday in Welland to look at the

> circumstances of the 32-year-old's death and to make recommendations

> about the use of hyperbaric chambers outside hospital settings. It is

> Ontario's first inquest into hyperbaric chambers.

> Originally designed by the military to stabilize deep-sea divers

> suffering from the bends, hyperbaric chambers have for years been

> used by

> specially trained physicians at hospitals to treat a narrow range of

> acute conditions. These include thermal burns, problem wounds,

> decompression sickness, crush injuries and flesh-eating disease.

> But in recent years, private clinics have expanded the use of the

> chambers to include treatment of acquired brain injuries, multiple

> sclerosis, cerebral palsy and other disabilities.

> Those treatments are controversial.

> Private clinics are unregulated in Ontario and the established

> medical

> community says there is no proof hyperbaric chambers will help any of

> those conditions.

> In fact, many doctors warn against using the chambers outside a

> hospital

> because they are too dangerous.

> Skala was always desperately searching for new ways to ease the

> headaches

> that plagued him. They began after he seriously injured his neck in

> a car

> accident when he was 19.

> " He said his mind was full of cobwebs, " Welsh testified. " A constant

> pressure in the middle of his head that he couldn't reach. The only

> time

> it changed was when it got worse. "

> A believer in homeopathic medicine, Skala had tried vitamins and

> herbs to

> quell the headaches. In fact, Welsh told the five-member jury, they

> met

> more than five years ago at a herbal remedies workshop.

> But Skala never liked to follow the recommendations of naturopaths.

> " He was an extremist, " Welsh testified. " If one (pill) was supposed

> to

> work, he'd try five. Sometimes he'd take 15 ... He'd say, 'If I

> don't get

> healthy, I'm going to die trying.' "

> When his brother was involved in an accident, Skala became

> interested in

> hyperbaric therapy treatment. He talked to a naturopath in St.

> Catharines

> about it and began researching it on the Internet. He phoned a

> clinic in

> Florida that offers the therapy and tried to phone government

> offices in

> Ontario " to find out who was in charge of hyperbaric chambers, " Welsh

> told the court. " He just got passed from one ministry to another. "

> Then he bought a used chamber from a former military diver in

> Grimsby.

> Skala took the tank to his parent's farm where he worked. He tinkered

> with it for seven months.

> Then he installed the 720-kilogram tank in his kitchen.

> " We put it over a support beam so it wouldn't crash through the

> floor, "

> Welsh says.

> In August 1999, Skala -- an avid scuba diver -- made his first

> " dive. "

> That's the term used for a hyperbaric session. Pure oxygen, at

> triple the

> outside air pressure, is pumped into the sealed container. The oxygen

> fills the blood and flows into parts of the body that have been

> deprived

> of oxygen. The extra oxygen is believed to help restore cell growth.

> Skala's " dives " would last anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. He

> would

> sometimes do up to five in a day. He'd lie down on a piece of plywood

> inside the chamber. Welsh did the rest.

> " I would close the door and I would seal the bolts ... It scared me

> because I didn't understand it. "

> She told the jury she relied on her husband to give her instructions.

> Sometimes, while inside the chamber, he'd write orders and press them

> against the porthole glass. Other times he'd just use hand signals to

> indicate he needed more or less oxygen.

> " He just seemed to know, " said Welsh, who added that he had wanted to

> take a 10-day hyperbaric chamber course in Florida.

> Skala took 35 dives between August 1999 and January 2000.

> He believed the dives gave him energy. But they did nothing for his

> headaches.

> So he took a gamble.

> A skydiver as well as a scuba diver, Skala liked the way his brain

> felt

> when he was in the air. The altitude seemed to clear the pain that

> was so

> persistent.

> So using some equipment he bought from a medical supplier, he turned

> his

> hyperbaric chamber into a hypobaric chamber. Instead of simulating

> the

> pressure of being below sea level, he wanted to replicate the

> feeling of

> being at a great height. Using a vacuum, he sucked all of the air

> out of

> the chamber, leaving himself to rely completely on an oxygen mask

> for air

> supplied by a tank outside the chamber.

> Thirteen times he tried hypobaric therapy and complained it didn't

> help

> his headaches either.

> On the fourteenth time, he died.

> Dr. Chitra Rao, a Hamilton pathologist who performed the autopsy,

> testified that hypobaric chamber therapy wouldn't have made Skala

> feel

> better.

> " It increases intercranial pressure. That's going to aggravate the

> headache. "

> In fact, said Rao, no medical treatments at all use hypobaric

> therapy.

> Welsh told the jury she still believes in the treatments her husband

> was

> giving himself in the chamber.

> " The chambers work, " she said. " You just shouldn't have one in your

> kitchen. "

> Clairmont's commentary appears regularly in The Spectator. You

> can

> contact her by e-mail at sclairmont@... or by

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> Private hyperbaric chambers legal, inquest told - thestar.com

> WELLAND - There is nothing to stop people from building a hyperbaric

> chamber like the one that killed a southern Ontario man in an

> ill-fated

> medical experiment, a coroner's inquest heard yesterday.

> Despite strict controls in clinical settings, there are no

> regulations

> governing the construction or use of hyperbaric chambers in private

> homes.

> Even if there were strict laws against private use, medical experts

> told

> a coroner's inquest yesterday they probably wouldn't have prevented

> the

> death of Skala.

> On Jan. 31, last year, Skala suffocated in an antiquated diving

> chamber

> he had installed in the kitchen of his home. He was using the device

> to

> self-administer high- and low-pressure treatments for chronic

> headaches.

> He had explored a whole range of conventional and alternative medical

> cures before buying the boiler-like vessel from a Grimsby, Ont.,

> businessman.

> Dr. McLeod, associate registrar of the College of Physicians

> and

> Surgeons of Ontario, believes it would take more than strict laws to

> stop

> another desperate person from building his or her death trap.

> McLeod suggested an absolute ban on home-made chambers would only

> drive

> the problem further underground.

> ''At the end of the day, if an individual wants to do his own thing,

> it

> can be very difficult to stop them,'' he told the inquest. ''If

> somebody

> really wants something, they will find other ways of getting it,'' he

> said.

> Instead of a ban, McLeod suggested a study group to explore the

> risks and

> medical benefits of hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

> He agreed, however, that hyperbaric chambers - which use pure oxygen

> -

> are too dangerous for private home because of the risk of explosions

> and

> fires.

> Leckie, a medical devices inspector for Health Canada,

> testified hyperbaric chambers can be used to treat only 13 medical

> conditions in Canada, including severe burns, gangrene, decompression

> sickness, flesh eating disease, and common monoxide poisoning.

> There are about 30 chambers in clinics across Canada and an unknown

> number in private homes.

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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:11:27 -0000 naturalhealthway@...

> writes:

> > said,> Wayne, Are you out of your mind?

> > My Dear ,

> > I've noticed many of your replies seem to have the angle of pushing

> > your HBOT facility and promoting your " expert skills " .

> > Someone with engineering and technical abilities like being able to

> > weld airtight seams and pressure test vessels could make an HBOT if

> > they really put their mind to it. It doesn't need to have all the

> > bells and whistles of professional chamber. One could make a

> > chamber

> > out of a large propane tank. It is already made to sustain the

> > pressure. Apparently your capabilities don't allow you to imagine

> > how

> > someone might go about this.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: HBOT

> > >

> > >

> > > > Evening Dr. Saul and the list,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >But I though that you posted previously that there were HBOT

> > chambers

> > > sold

> > > > >for $40,000. Not yours, but other ones.

> > > >

> > > > No doubt others have thought of the question I have.

> > > >

> > > > Surely a super craftsman with determination could build a home

> > system from

> > > > junk he can find here and there to result if a fully functional

> > HBOT

> > > system.

> > > >

> > > > I have an eight by 10 walk in cooler that is virtually air

> > tight. It

> > > could

> > > > be sealed with any material imaginable.

> > > >

> > > > Getting the door to be pressure tight would be the only

> problem.

> >

> > Maybe we

> > > > could swipe the hatch off a submarine or similar.

> > > >

> > > > I am into control systems, at one time manufactured medical

> > products,

> > > > designed manifolds and valves. I could certainly build a fully

> > computer

> > > > controlled system for the HBOT.

> > > >

> > > > Tell me I am crazy.... if you think so. <grin>

> > > >

> > > > Wayne

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Hello ,

Yes I read and reread article..... the point of sending it was the

concerns of whatever application or changes one make different

from standard procedures can have mishaps... utmost caution

and trust in other that you rely on for monitoring puposes...

be trusted to do their responsibilty...in this case his live in friend

or common law wife.

Further he made 49 sucessfull runs with his HYPO chamber....

and I believe their might be atheletes using this technique to

create the same amosphere they train in at high altitudes

like Hawaii and Colorado so when they run an event at sea level

they can have more oxygen... they also use it in HYPER mode

when they sleep in this mode and train at hi altitude. So I guess

how ever yopu say it ... blood getrs to be oxygenated.

But... notice... he made 49 sucessful runs without incident.

So story suports the determined and foolish.... and the weak hearted

or careless need not apply.

So what was your point ...again please...cause I am playing both

sides of the fence on this one.

thanks mike slivinski

On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:40:37 -0700 " Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics "

<hyperbaric1@...> writes:

>

> RE READ IT, IT is a HYPO baric chamber, BIG difference, He did not

> " INCREASE " the ATA HE decreased the atmosphere pressure,

> Understand?? He

> took OUT air and ran out of 02,

> IT was NOT Hyperbarics it was HYPOBarics... With out pressure or

> air, and he

> simply ran out of Oxygen, HE was a FOOL and that is exactly what I

> mean.

> about safety... DO not Print something or a Remark unless you read

> the

> entire article, this time use a dictionary.

> Hypobaric= low pressure, Hyperbaric's= High pressure, Had he used

> Hyperbarics he would still be alive.

>

> Re: Re: HBOT-

>

>

> Hello All,

> Here is story on someone who made 49 chamber runs....but...

> died... but... it shows what can be done and what can go wrong!

>

> If you want better info on Hyperbaric info this is page

> where story is:

>

> http://www.hyperbaric-forum.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/000036.html

>

> Thanks

> Mike Slivinski

>

>

>

> Deadly hyperbaric chamber to be examined - thestar.com

> WELLAND - A coroner's jury will get a chance today to examine an

> antiquated hyperbaric chamber that turned into a death trap for a man

> obsessed with alternative medicines.

> The jurors will be taken from the Welland courthouse to a storage

> facility outside the city where the make-shift device is being kept.

> The 60-year-old boiler-like chamber - which is made of heavy-gauge

> steel

> and weighs 1,600 pounds - is the centrepiece of a coroner's inquest

> probing the death of 36-year-old Skala.

> Skala was conducting a hypobaric (low pressure) treatment for his

> persistent headaches when he suffocated inside the chamber on Jan.

> 31,

> 2000.

> His self-styled experiment involved purging all the ambient air from

> the

> chamber and sucking pure oxygen through a tube from a cylinder

> outside

> the tank.

> With conventional hyperbaric treatment, however, the air pressure

> inside

> the tank is increased.

> Originally developed to treat divers suffering from the ''bends,''

> hyperbaric chambers are now used in hospitals to treat conditions

> including carbon monoxide poisoning, cyanide poisoning, and severe

> burns.

> The jury heard that Skala had purchased the chamber from retired

> Grimsby

> businessman Arthur Bray for $1,500 in the summer of 1999 and

> installed it

> in the kitchen of his home.

> After his death, police found an elaborate system of gauges, tubes,

> and

> other devices including an air purifier, vacuum pump and compressor

> hooked up to the white cylinder.

> When he went inside for a session, his common-law wife would fasten

> the

> door with a number of heavy bolts and monitor the treatment through

> two

> small portholes on the hatch.

> There was also a porthole on the top that allowed Skala to see the

> gauges

> on the oxygen tank.

> He would bang on the chamber or give her hand signals if the wanted

> her

> to change the air pressure.

> Once inside the chamber, there was no way for him to open the hatch

> and

> get out on his own.

> He had conducted 49 sessions - which he recorded in his diary - at

> the

> time of his death.

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> posted 04-25-2001 05:33 PM    

>           

> Search for headache cure proved deadly - hamiltonspectator.com

> Clairmont The Hamilton Spectator

> Skala said if the 60-year-old jerry-rigged hyperbaric chamber

> he

> bought for $1,500 wouldn't stop his headaches, he was " going to die

> trying " to find a cure.

> Then on Jan. 31, 2000, he slid inside the 2.7-metre-long,

> shoulder-wide

> cylinder wedged between the fridge and stove in his Fonthill kitchen.

> And, just like she had done 48 times before, his pregnant common-law

> wife

> Lorrie Welsh used a power tool to securely bolt shut the air-tight

> steel

> hatch. She turned a dial that fed oxygen into her husband's mask,

> started

> a vacuum that sucked the rest of the air out of the chamber, waited

> for

> his 'thumbs-up' signal, then went into the living room to read a

> book to

> her four-year-old son.

> Twenty minutes later Skala suffocated to death.

> A coroner's inquest began yesterday in Welland to look at the

> circumstances of the 32-year-old's death and to make recommendations

> about the use of hyperbaric chambers outside hospital settings. It is

> Ontario's first inquest into hyperbaric chambers.

> Originally designed by the military to stabilize deep-sea divers

> suffering from the bends, hyperbaric chambers have for years been

> used by

> specially trained physicians at hospitals to treat a narrow range of

> acute conditions. These include thermal burns, problem wounds,

> decompression sickness, crush injuries and flesh-eating disease.

> But in recent years, private clinics have expanded the use of the

> chambers to include treatment of acquired brain injuries, multiple

> sclerosis, cerebral palsy and other disabilities.

> Those treatments are controversial.

> Private clinics are unregulated in Ontario and the established

> medical

> community says there is no proof hyperbaric chambers will help any of

> those conditions.

> In fact, many doctors warn against using the chambers outside a

> hospital

> because they are too dangerous.

> Skala was always desperately searching for new ways to ease the

> headaches

> that plagued him. They began after he seriously injured his neck in

> a car

> accident when he was 19.

> " He said his mind was full of cobwebs, " Welsh testified. " A constant

> pressure in the middle of his head that he couldn't reach. The only

> time

> it changed was when it got worse. "

> A believer in homeopathic medicine, Skala had tried vitamins and

> herbs to

> quell the headaches. In fact, Welsh told the five-member jury, they

> met

> more than five years ago at a herbal remedies workshop.

> But Skala never liked to follow the recommendations of naturopaths.

> " He was an extremist, " Welsh testified. " If one (pill) was supposed

> to

> work, he'd try five. Sometimes he'd take 15 ... He'd say, 'If I

> don't get

> healthy, I'm going to die trying.' "

> When his brother was involved in an accident, Skala became

> interested in

> hyperbaric therapy treatment. He talked to a naturopath in St.

> Catharines

> about it and began researching it on the Internet. He phoned a

> clinic in

> Florida that offers the therapy and tried to phone government

> offices in

> Ontario " to find out who was in charge of hyperbaric chambers, " Welsh

> told the court. " He just got passed from one ministry to another. "

> Then he bought a used chamber from a former military diver in

> Grimsby.

> Skala took the tank to his parent's farm where he worked. He tinkered

> with it for seven months.

> Then he installed the 720-kilogram tank in his kitchen.

> " We put it over a support beam so it wouldn't crash through the

> floor, "

> Welsh says.

> In August 1999, Skala -- an avid scuba diver -- made his first

> " dive. "

> That's the term used for a hyperbaric session. Pure oxygen, at

> triple the

> outside air pressure, is pumped into the sealed container. The oxygen

> fills the blood and flows into parts of the body that have been

> deprived

> of oxygen. The extra oxygen is believed to help restore cell growth.

> Skala's " dives " would last anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. He

> would

> sometimes do up to five in a day. He'd lie down on a piece of plywood

> inside the chamber. Welsh did the rest.

> " I would close the door and I would seal the bolts ... It scared me

> because I didn't understand it. "

> She told the jury she relied on her husband to give her instructions.

> Sometimes, while inside the chamber, he'd write orders and press them

> against the porthole glass. Other times he'd just use hand signals to

> indicate he needed more or less oxygen.

> " He just seemed to know, " said Welsh, who added that he had wanted to

> take a 10-day hyperbaric chamber course in Florida.

> Skala took 35 dives between August 1999 and January 2000.

> He believed the dives gave him energy. But they did nothing for his

> headaches.

> So he took a gamble.

> A skydiver as well as a scuba diver, Skala liked the way his brain

> felt

> when he was in the air. The altitude seemed to clear the pain that

> was so

> persistent.

> So using some equipment he bought from a medical supplier, he turned

> his

> hyperbaric chamber into a hypobaric chamber. Instead of simulating

> the

> pressure of being below sea level, he wanted to replicate the

> feeling of

> being at a great height. Using a vacuum, he sucked all of the air

> out of

> the chamber, leaving himself to rely completely on an oxygen mask

> for air

> supplied by a tank outside the chamber.

> Thirteen times he tried hypobaric therapy and complained it didn't

> help

> his headaches either.

> On the fourteenth time, he died.

> Dr. Chitra Rao, a Hamilton pathologist who performed the autopsy,

> testified that hypobaric chamber therapy wouldn't have made Skala

> feel

> better.

> " It increases intercranial pressure. That's going to aggravate the

> headache. "

> In fact, said Rao, no medical treatments at all use hypobaric

> therapy.

> Welsh told the jury she still believes in the treatments her husband

> was

> giving himself in the chamber.

> " The chambers work, " she said. " You just shouldn't have one in your

> kitchen. "

> Clairmont's commentary appears regularly in The Spectator. You

> can

> contact her by e-mail at sclairmont@... or by

> telephone

> at 905-526-3539.

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>           

> Private hyperbaric chambers legal, inquest told - thestar.com

> WELLAND - There is nothing to stop people from building a hyperbaric

> chamber like the one that killed a southern Ontario man in an

> ill-fated

> medical experiment, a coroner's inquest heard yesterday.

> Despite strict controls in clinical settings, there are no

> regulations

> governing the construction or use of hyperbaric chambers in private

> homes.

> Even if there were strict laws against private use, medical experts

> told

> a coroner's inquest yesterday they probably wouldn't have prevented

> the

> death of Skala.

> On Jan. 31, last year, Skala suffocated in an antiquated diving

> chamber

> he had installed in the kitchen of his home. He was using the device

> to

> self-administer high- and low-pressure treatments for chronic

> headaches.

> He had explored a whole range of conventional and alternative medical

> cures before buying the boiler-like vessel from a Grimsby, Ont.,

> businessman.

> Dr. McLeod, associate registrar of the College of Physicians

> and

> Surgeons of Ontario, believes it would take more than strict laws to

> stop

> another desperate person from building his or her death trap.

> McLeod suggested an absolute ban on home-made chambers would only

> drive

> the problem further underground.

> ''At the end of the day, if an individual wants to do his own thing,

> it

> can be very difficult to stop them,'' he told the inquest. ''If

> somebody

> really wants something, they will find other ways of getting it,'' he

> said.

> Instead of a ban, McLeod suggested a study group to explore the

> risks and

> medical benefits of hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

> He agreed, however, that hyperbaric chambers - which use pure oxygen

> -

> are too dangerous for private home because of the risk of explosions

> and

> fires.

> Leckie, a medical devices inspector for Health Canada,

> testified hyperbaric chambers can be used to treat only 13 medical

> conditions in Canada, including severe burns, gangrene, decompression

> sickness, flesh eating disease, and common monoxide poisoning.

> There are about 30 chambers in clinics across Canada and an unknown

> number in private homes.

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> database and including a link in that information back to their web

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> to an educated decision about Hyperbaric Therapy. The Global

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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:11:27 -0000 naturalhealthway@...

> writes:

> > said,> Wayne, Are you out of your mind?

> > My Dear ,

> > I've noticed many of your replies seem to have the angle of pushing

> > your HBOT facility and promoting your " expert skills " .

> > Someone with engineering and technical abilities like being able to

> > weld airtight seams and pressure test vessels could make an HBOT if

> > they really put their mind to it. It doesn't need to have all the

> > bells and whistles of professional chamber. One could make a

> > chamber

> > out of a large propane tank. It is already made to sustain the

> > pressure. Apparently your capabilities don't allow you to imagine

> > how

> > someone might go about this.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: HBOT

> > >

> > >

> > > > Evening Dr. Saul and the list,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >But I though that you posted previously that there were HBOT

> > chambers

> > > sold

> > > > >for $40,000. Not yours, but other ones.

> > > >

> > > > No doubt others have thought of the question I have.

> > > >

> > > > Surely a super craftsman with determination could build a home

> > system from

> > > > junk he can find here and there to result if a fully functional

> > HBOT

> > > system.

> > > >

> > > > I have an eight by 10 walk in cooler that is virtually air

> > tight. It

> > > could

> > > > be sealed with any material imaginable.

> > > >

> > > > Getting the door to be pressure tight would be the only

> problem.

> >

> > Maybe we

> > > > could swipe the hatch off a submarine or similar.

> > > >

> > > > I am into control systems, at one time manufactured medical

> > products,

> > > > designed manifolds and valves. I could certainly build a fully

> > computer

> > > > controlled system for the HBOT.

> > > >

> > > > Tell me I am crazy.... if you think so. <grin>

> > > >

> > > > Wayne

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Morning ,

At 02:10 AM 07/01/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Dear Wayne I was talking about the article which the man died in a Hypobaric

>chamber, NOT a hyperbaric Chamber. I was not speaking to you

>

Yes, I read that one also. I formed some opinions and ideas while

reading it.

First, I would like the bolts on the inside. It takes much less strength

and pressure to hold the seal if the door opened to the inside, very much

like some valves are designed.

Even my walk in cooler could take a life in a similar manner, if not for the

inside door latch.

Again.... I would trust no one but myself.

My final deduction was that his wife intentionally killed him.

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Morning ,

At 02:10 AM 07/01/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Dear Wayne I was talking about the article which the man died in a Hypobaric

>chamber, NOT a hyperbaric Chamber. I was not speaking to you

>

Yes, I read that one also. I formed some opinions and ideas while

reading it.

First, I would like the bolts on the inside. It takes much less strength

and pressure to hold the seal if the door opened to the inside, very much

like some valves are designed.

Even my walk in cooler could take a life in a similar manner, if not for the

inside door latch.

Again.... I would trust no one but myself.

My final deduction was that his wife intentionally killed him.

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Morning ,

At 02:10 AM 07/01/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Dear Wayne I was talking about the article which the man died in a Hypobaric

>chamber, NOT a hyperbaric Chamber. I was not speaking to you

>

Yes, I read that one also. I formed some opinions and ideas while

reading it.

First, I would like the bolts on the inside. It takes much less strength

and pressure to hold the seal if the door opened to the inside, very much

like some valves are designed.

Even my walk in cooler could take a life in a similar manner, if not for the

inside door latch.

Again.... I would trust no one but myself.

My final deduction was that his wife intentionally killed him.

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again, He did not check the level of oxygen in his tank, HE reduced the

level of atmosphere with in his " Hypobaric " chamber, then he ran out of

oxygen, ( he most likely had the oxygen delivered by a mask) and

suffocated,) Had he been trained, he would have checked his tank before he

took the last dive in the tank. Training helps it can save life's,

this poor man loss his life because of his Lack of training and his wife

left the room, Had she been there the entire time she could have let him out

and he would be alive today.

I am sorry he lost his life, I am sorry that it may hurt the field of HBOT

in the long run. the entire accident could have been befited completely had

he looked at the level of oxygen with in his tank, How do I prevent this

from happening? I have a monitor on my tanks that tells me when the tanks

get below 50 PSI, and I have back up tanks that switch over in that event, I

check my level of oxygen all day long, this law that says I must do things

this way is a GOOD law and I will abide by it. IT saves life's.

Re: Re: HBOT-

>

>

> Hello All,

> Here is story on someone who made 49 chamber runs....but...

> died... but... it shows what can be done and what can go wrong!

>

> If you want better info on Hyperbaric info this is page

> where story is:

>

> http://www.hyperbaric-forum.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/000036.html

>

> Thanks

> Mike Slivinski

>

>

>

> Deadly hyperbaric chamber to be examined - thestar.com

> WELLAND - A coroner's jury will get a chance today to examine an

> antiquated hyperbaric chamber that turned into a death trap for a man

> obsessed with alternative medicines.

> The jurors will be taken from the Welland courthouse to a storage

> facility outside the city where the make-shift device is being kept.

> The 60-year-old boiler-like chamber - which is made of heavy-gauge

> steel

> and weighs 1,600 pounds - is the centrepiece of a coroner's inquest

> probing the death of 36-year-old Skala.

> Skala was conducting a hypobaric (low pressure) treatment for his

> persistent headaches when he suffocated inside the chamber on Jan.

> 31,

> 2000.

> His self-styled experiment involved purging all the ambient air from

> the

> chamber and sucking pure oxygen through a tube from a cylinder

> outside

> the tank.

> With conventional hyperbaric treatment, however, the air pressure

> inside

> the tank is increased.

> Originally developed to treat divers suffering from the ''bends,''

> hyperbaric chambers are now used in hospitals to treat conditions

> including carbon monoxide poisoning, cyanide poisoning, and severe

> burns.

> The jury heard that Skala had purchased the chamber from retired

> Grimsby

> businessman Arthur Bray for $1,500 in the summer of 1999 and

> installed it

> in the kitchen of his home.

> After his death, police found an elaborate system of gauges, tubes,

> and

> other devices including an air purifier, vacuum pump and compressor

> hooked up to the white cylinder.

> When he went inside for a session, his common-law wife would fasten

> the

> door with a number of heavy bolts and monitor the treatment through

> two

> small portholes on the hatch.

> There was also a porthole on the top that allowed Skala to see the

> gauges

> on the oxygen tank.

> He would bang on the chamber or give her hand signals if the wanted

> her

> to change the air pressure.

> Once inside the chamber, there was no way for him to open the hatch

> and

> get out on his own.

> He had conducted 49 sessions - which he recorded in his diary - at

> the

> time of his death.

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>           

> Search for headache cure proved deadly - hamiltonspectator.com

> Clairmont The Hamilton Spectator

> Skala said if the 60-year-old jerry-rigged hyperbaric chamber

> he

> bought for $1,500 wouldn't stop his headaches, he was " going to die

> trying " to find a cure.

> Then on Jan. 31, 2000, he slid inside the 2.7-metre-long,

> shoulder-wide

> cylinder wedged between the fridge and stove in his Fonthill kitchen.

> And, just like she had done 48 times before, his pregnant common-law

> wife

> Lorrie Welsh used a power tool to securely bolt shut the air-tight

> steel

> hatch. She turned a dial that fed oxygen into her husband's mask,

> started

> a vacuum that sucked the rest of the air out of the chamber, waited

> for

> his 'thumbs-up' signal, then went into the living room to read a

> book to

> her four-year-old son.

> Twenty minutes later Skala suffocated to death.

> A coroner's inquest began yesterday in Welland to look at the

> circumstances of the 32-year-old's death and to make recommendations

> about the use of hyperbaric chambers outside hospital settings. It is

> Ontario's first inquest into hyperbaric chambers.

> Originally designed by the military to stabilize deep-sea divers

> suffering from the bends, hyperbaric chambers have for years been

> used by

> specially trained physicians at hospitals to treat a narrow range of

> acute conditions. These include thermal burns, problem wounds,

> decompression sickness, crush injuries and flesh-eating disease.

> But in recent years, private clinics have expanded the use of the

> chambers to include treatment of acquired brain injuries, multiple

> sclerosis, cerebral palsy and other disabilities.

> Those treatments are controversial.

> Private clinics are unregulated in Ontario and the established

> medical

> community says there is no proof hyperbaric chambers will help any of

> those conditions.

> In fact, many doctors warn against using the chambers outside a

> hospital

> because they are too dangerous.

> Skala was always desperately searching for new ways to ease the

> headaches

> that plagued him. They began after he seriously injured his neck in

> a car

> accident when he was 19.

> " He said his mind was full of cobwebs, " Welsh testified. " A constant

> pressure in the middle of his head that he couldn't reach. The only

> time

> it changed was when it got worse. "

> A believer in homeopathic medicine, Skala had tried vitamins and

> herbs to

> quell the headaches. In fact, Welsh told the five-member jury, they

> met

> more than five years ago at a herbal remedies workshop.

> But Skala never liked to follow the recommendations of naturopaths.

> " He was an extremist, " Welsh testified. " If one (pill) was supposed

> to

> work, he'd try five. Sometimes he'd take 15 ... He'd say, 'If I

> don't get

> healthy, I'm going to die trying.' "

> When his brother was involved in an accident, Skala became

> interested in

> hyperbaric therapy treatment. He talked to a naturopath in St.

> Catharines

> about it and began researching it on the Internet. He phoned a

> clinic in

> Florida that offers the therapy and tried to phone government

> offices in

> Ontario " to find out who was in charge of hyperbaric chambers, " Welsh

> told the court. " He just got passed from one ministry to another. "

> Then he bought a used chamber from a former military diver in

> Grimsby.

> Skala took the tank to his parent's farm where he worked. He tinkered

> with it for seven months.

> Then he installed the 720-kilogram tank in his kitchen.

> " We put it over a support beam so it wouldn't crash through the

> floor, "

> Welsh says.

> In August 1999, Skala -- an avid scuba diver -- made his first

> " dive. "

> That's the term used for a hyperbaric session. Pure oxygen, at

> triple the

> outside air pressure, is pumped into the sealed container. The oxygen

> fills the blood and flows into parts of the body that have been

> deprived

> of oxygen. The extra oxygen is believed to help restore cell growth.

> Skala's " dives " would last anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. He

> would

> sometimes do up to five in a day. He'd lie down on a piece of plywood

> inside the chamber. Welsh did the rest.

> " I would close the door and I would seal the bolts ... It scared me

> because I didn't understand it. "

> She told the jury she relied on her husband to give her instructions.

> Sometimes, while inside the chamber, he'd write orders and press them

> against the porthole glass. Other times he'd just use hand signals to

> indicate he needed more or less oxygen.

> " He just seemed to know, " said Welsh, who added that he had wanted to

> take a 10-day hyperbaric chamber course in Florida.

> Skala took 35 dives between August 1999 and January 2000.

> He believed the dives gave him energy. But they did nothing for his

> headaches.

> So he took a gamble.

> A skydiver as well as a scuba diver, Skala liked the way his brain

> felt

> when he was in the air. The altitude seemed to clear the pain that

> was so

> persistent.

> So using some equipment he bought from a medical supplier, he turned

> his

> hyperbaric chamber into a hypobaric chamber. Instead of simulating

> the

> pressure of being below sea level, he wanted to replicate the

> feeling of

> being at a great height. Using a vacuum, he sucked all of the air

> out of

> the chamber, leaving himself to rely completely on an oxygen mask

> for air

> supplied by a tank outside the chamber.

> Thirteen times he tried hypobaric therapy and complained it didn't

> help

> his headaches either.

> On the fourteenth time, he died.

> Dr. Chitra Rao, a Hamilton pathologist who performed the autopsy,

> testified that hypobaric chamber therapy wouldn't have made Skala

> feel

> better.

> " It increases intercranial pressure. That's going to aggravate the

> headache. "

> In fact, said Rao, no medical treatments at all use hypobaric

> therapy.

> Welsh told the jury she still believes in the treatments her husband

> was

> giving himself in the chamber.

> " The chambers work, " she said. " You just shouldn't have one in your

> kitchen. "

> Clairmont's commentary appears regularly in The Spectator. You

> can

> contact her by e-mail at sclairmont@... or by

> telephone

> at 905-526-3539.

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>           

> Private hyperbaric chambers legal, inquest told - thestar.com

> WELLAND - There is nothing to stop people from building a hyperbaric

> chamber like the one that killed a southern Ontario man in an

> ill-fated

> medical experiment, a coroner's inquest heard yesterday.

> Despite strict controls in clinical settings, there are no

> regulations

> governing the construction or use of hyperbaric chambers in private

> homes.

> Even if there were strict laws against private use, medical experts

> told

> a coroner's inquest yesterday they probably wouldn't have prevented

> the

> death of Skala.

> On Jan. 31, last year, Skala suffocated in an antiquated diving

> chamber

> he had installed in the kitchen of his home. He was using the device

> to

> self-administer high- and low-pressure treatments for chronic

> headaches.

> He had explored a whole range of conventional and alternative medical

> cures before buying the boiler-like vessel from a Grimsby, Ont.,

> businessman.

> Dr. McLeod, associate registrar of the College of Physicians

> and

> Surgeons of Ontario, believes it would take more than strict laws to

> stop

> another desperate person from building his or her death trap.

> McLeod suggested an absolute ban on home-made chambers would only

> drive

> the problem further underground.

> ''At the end of the day, if an individual wants to do his own thing,

> it

> can be very difficult to stop them,'' he told the inquest. ''If

> somebody

> really wants something, they will find other ways of getting it,'' he

> said.

> Instead of a ban, McLeod suggested a study group to explore the

> risks and

> medical benefits of hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

> He agreed, however, that hyperbaric chambers - which use pure oxygen

> -

> are too dangerous for private home because of the risk of explosions

> and

> fires.

> Leckie, a medical devices inspector for Health Canada,

> testified hyperbaric chambers can be used to treat only 13 medical

> conditions in Canada, including severe burns, gangrene, decompression

> sickness, flesh eating disease, and common monoxide poisoning.

> There are about 30 chambers in clinics across Canada and an unknown

> number in private homes.

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> searchable centralized public source of Hyperbaric Information and

> Patient Testimonies on the Internet. Some Hyperbaric Web sites go

> off-line or get buried at the bottom of the search engines and

> valuable

> information is lost or never found. With the Global Hyperbaric

> Resource

> Project we are asking everyone to use www.hyperbaric-forum.com as a

> staging ground to build a unified location to refer people for

> Hyperbaric

> Information. Many volunteers have been adding their information to

> the

> database and including a link in that information back to their web

> site.

> Until now Hyperbaric Information has been loosely scattered across

> the

> internet with not enough in one location for a potential patient to

> come

> to an educated decision about Hyperbaric Therapy. The Global

> Hyperbaric

> Resource Project hopes to change this and will be a great benefit to

> anyone considering Hyperbaric Therapy.

>

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:11:27 -0000 naturalhealthway@...

> writes:

> > said,> Wayne, Are you out of your mind?

> > My Dear ,

> > I've noticed many of your replies seem to have the angle of pushing

> > your HBOT facility and promoting your " expert skills " .

> > Someone with engineering and technical abilities like being able to

> > weld airtight seams and pressure test vessels could make an HBOT if

> > they really put their mind to it. It doesn't need to have all the

> > bells and whistles of professional chamber. One could make a

> > chamber

> > out of a large propane tank. It is already made to sustain the

> > pressure. Apparently your capabilities don't allow you to imagine

> > how

> > someone might go about this.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: HBOT

> > >

> > >

> > > > Evening Dr. Saul and the list,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >But I though that you posted previously that there were HBOT

> > chambers

> > > sold

> > > > >for $40,000. Not yours, but other ones.

> > > >

> > > > No doubt others have thought of the question I have.

> > > >

> > > > Surely a super craftsman with determination could build a home

> > system from

> > > > junk he can find here and there to result if a fully functional

> > HBOT

> > > system.

> > > >

> > > > I have an eight by 10 walk in cooler that is virtually air

> > tight. It

> > > could

> > > > be sealed with any material imaginable.

> > > >

> > > > Getting the door to be pressure tight would be the only

> problem.

> >

> > Maybe we

> > > > could swipe the hatch off a submarine or similar.

> > > >

> > > > I am into control systems, at one time manufactured medical

> > products,

> > > > designed manifolds and valves. I could certainly build a fully

> > computer

> > > > controlled system for the HBOT.

> > > >

> > > > Tell me I am crazy.... if you think so. <grin>

> > > >

> > > > Wayne

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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again, He did not check the level of oxygen in his tank, HE reduced the

level of atmosphere with in his " Hypobaric " chamber, then he ran out of

oxygen, ( he most likely had the oxygen delivered by a mask) and

suffocated,) Had he been trained, he would have checked his tank before he

took the last dive in the tank. Training helps it can save life's,

this poor man loss his life because of his Lack of training and his wife

left the room, Had she been there the entire time she could have let him out

and he would be alive today.

I am sorry he lost his life, I am sorry that it may hurt the field of HBOT

in the long run. the entire accident could have been befited completely had

he looked at the level of oxygen with in his tank, How do I prevent this

from happening? I have a monitor on my tanks that tells me when the tanks

get below 50 PSI, and I have back up tanks that switch over in that event, I

check my level of oxygen all day long, this law that says I must do things

this way is a GOOD law and I will abide by it. IT saves life's.

Re: Re: HBOT-

>

>

> Hello All,

> Here is story on someone who made 49 chamber runs....but...

> died... but... it shows what can be done and what can go wrong!

>

> If you want better info on Hyperbaric info this is page

> where story is:

>

> http://www.hyperbaric-forum.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/000036.html

>

> Thanks

> Mike Slivinski

>

>

>

> Deadly hyperbaric chamber to be examined - thestar.com

> WELLAND - A coroner's jury will get a chance today to examine an

> antiquated hyperbaric chamber that turned into a death trap for a man

> obsessed with alternative medicines.

> The jurors will be taken from the Welland courthouse to a storage

> facility outside the city where the make-shift device is being kept.

> The 60-year-old boiler-like chamber - which is made of heavy-gauge

> steel

> and weighs 1,600 pounds - is the centrepiece of a coroner's inquest

> probing the death of 36-year-old Skala.

> Skala was conducting a hypobaric (low pressure) treatment for his

> persistent headaches when he suffocated inside the chamber on Jan.

> 31,

> 2000.

> His self-styled experiment involved purging all the ambient air from

> the

> chamber and sucking pure oxygen through a tube from a cylinder

> outside

> the tank.

> With conventional hyperbaric treatment, however, the air pressure

> inside

> the tank is increased.

> Originally developed to treat divers suffering from the ''bends,''

> hyperbaric chambers are now used in hospitals to treat conditions

> including carbon monoxide poisoning, cyanide poisoning, and severe

> burns.

> The jury heard that Skala had purchased the chamber from retired

> Grimsby

> businessman Arthur Bray for $1,500 in the summer of 1999 and

> installed it

> in the kitchen of his home.

> After his death, police found an elaborate system of gauges, tubes,

> and

> other devices including an air purifier, vacuum pump and compressor

> hooked up to the white cylinder.

> When he went inside for a session, his common-law wife would fasten

> the

> door with a number of heavy bolts and monitor the treatment through

> two

> small portholes on the hatch.

> There was also a porthole on the top that allowed Skala to see the

> gauges

> on the oxygen tank.

> He would bang on the chamber or give her hand signals if the wanted

> her

> to change the air pressure.

> Once inside the chamber, there was no way for him to open the hatch

> and

> get out on his own.

> He had conducted 49 sessions - which he recorded in his diary - at

> the

> time of his death.

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>           

> Search for headache cure proved deadly - hamiltonspectator.com

> Clairmont The Hamilton Spectator

> Skala said if the 60-year-old jerry-rigged hyperbaric chamber

> he

> bought for $1,500 wouldn't stop his headaches, he was " going to die

> trying " to find a cure.

> Then on Jan. 31, 2000, he slid inside the 2.7-metre-long,

> shoulder-wide

> cylinder wedged between the fridge and stove in his Fonthill kitchen.

> And, just like she had done 48 times before, his pregnant common-law

> wife

> Lorrie Welsh used a power tool to securely bolt shut the air-tight

> steel

> hatch. She turned a dial that fed oxygen into her husband's mask,

> started

> a vacuum that sucked the rest of the air out of the chamber, waited

> for

> his 'thumbs-up' signal, then went into the living room to read a

> book to

> her four-year-old son.

> Twenty minutes later Skala suffocated to death.

> A coroner's inquest began yesterday in Welland to look at the

> circumstances of the 32-year-old's death and to make recommendations

> about the use of hyperbaric chambers outside hospital settings. It is

> Ontario's first inquest into hyperbaric chambers.

> Originally designed by the military to stabilize deep-sea divers

> suffering from the bends, hyperbaric chambers have for years been

> used by

> specially trained physicians at hospitals to treat a narrow range of

> acute conditions. These include thermal burns, problem wounds,

> decompression sickness, crush injuries and flesh-eating disease.

> But in recent years, private clinics have expanded the use of the

> chambers to include treatment of acquired brain injuries, multiple

> sclerosis, cerebral palsy and other disabilities.

> Those treatments are controversial.

> Private clinics are unregulated in Ontario and the established

> medical

> community says there is no proof hyperbaric chambers will help any of

> those conditions.

> In fact, many doctors warn against using the chambers outside a

> hospital

> because they are too dangerous.

> Skala was always desperately searching for new ways to ease the

> headaches

> that plagued him. They began after he seriously injured his neck in

> a car

> accident when he was 19.

> " He said his mind was full of cobwebs, " Welsh testified. " A constant

> pressure in the middle of his head that he couldn't reach. The only

> time

> it changed was when it got worse. "

> A believer in homeopathic medicine, Skala had tried vitamins and

> herbs to

> quell the headaches. In fact, Welsh told the five-member jury, they

> met

> more than five years ago at a herbal remedies workshop.

> But Skala never liked to follow the recommendations of naturopaths.

> " He was an extremist, " Welsh testified. " If one (pill) was supposed

> to

> work, he'd try five. Sometimes he'd take 15 ... He'd say, 'If I

> don't get

> healthy, I'm going to die trying.' "

> When his brother was involved in an accident, Skala became

> interested in

> hyperbaric therapy treatment. He talked to a naturopath in St.

> Catharines

> about it and began researching it on the Internet. He phoned a

> clinic in

> Florida that offers the therapy and tried to phone government

> offices in

> Ontario " to find out who was in charge of hyperbaric chambers, " Welsh

> told the court. " He just got passed from one ministry to another. "

> Then he bought a used chamber from a former military diver in

> Grimsby.

> Skala took the tank to his parent's farm where he worked. He tinkered

> with it for seven months.

> Then he installed the 720-kilogram tank in his kitchen.

> " We put it over a support beam so it wouldn't crash through the

> floor, "

> Welsh says.

> In August 1999, Skala -- an avid scuba diver -- made his first

> " dive. "

> That's the term used for a hyperbaric session. Pure oxygen, at

> triple the

> outside air pressure, is pumped into the sealed container. The oxygen

> fills the blood and flows into parts of the body that have been

> deprived

> of oxygen. The extra oxygen is believed to help restore cell growth.

> Skala's " dives " would last anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. He

> would

> sometimes do up to five in a day. He'd lie down on a piece of plywood

> inside the chamber. Welsh did the rest.

> " I would close the door and I would seal the bolts ... It scared me

> because I didn't understand it. "

> She told the jury she relied on her husband to give her instructions.

> Sometimes, while inside the chamber, he'd write orders and press them

> against the porthole glass. Other times he'd just use hand signals to

> indicate he needed more or less oxygen.

> " He just seemed to know, " said Welsh, who added that he had wanted to

> take a 10-day hyperbaric chamber course in Florida.

> Skala took 35 dives between August 1999 and January 2000.

> He believed the dives gave him energy. But they did nothing for his

> headaches.

> So he took a gamble.

> A skydiver as well as a scuba diver, Skala liked the way his brain

> felt

> when he was in the air. The altitude seemed to clear the pain that

> was so

> persistent.

> So using some equipment he bought from a medical supplier, he turned

> his

> hyperbaric chamber into a hypobaric chamber. Instead of simulating

> the

> pressure of being below sea level, he wanted to replicate the

> feeling of

> being at a great height. Using a vacuum, he sucked all of the air

> out of

> the chamber, leaving himself to rely completely on an oxygen mask

> for air

> supplied by a tank outside the chamber.

> Thirteen times he tried hypobaric therapy and complained it didn't

> help

> his headaches either.

> On the fourteenth time, he died.

> Dr. Chitra Rao, a Hamilton pathologist who performed the autopsy,

> testified that hypobaric chamber therapy wouldn't have made Skala

> feel

> better.

> " It increases intercranial pressure. That's going to aggravate the

> headache. "

> In fact, said Rao, no medical treatments at all use hypobaric

> therapy.

> Welsh told the jury she still believes in the treatments her husband

> was

> giving himself in the chamber.

> " The chambers work, " she said. " You just shouldn't have one in your

> kitchen. "

> Clairmont's commentary appears regularly in The Spectator. You

> can

> contact her by e-mail at sclairmont@... or by

> telephone

> at 905-526-3539.

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> posted 04-26-2001 08:28 AM    

>           

> Private hyperbaric chambers legal, inquest told - thestar.com

> WELLAND - There is nothing to stop people from building a hyperbaric

> chamber like the one that killed a southern Ontario man in an

> ill-fated

> medical experiment, a coroner's inquest heard yesterday.

> Despite strict controls in clinical settings, there are no

> regulations

> governing the construction or use of hyperbaric chambers in private

> homes.

> Even if there were strict laws against private use, medical experts

> told

> a coroner's inquest yesterday they probably wouldn't have prevented

> the

> death of Skala.

> On Jan. 31, last year, Skala suffocated in an antiquated diving

> chamber

> he had installed in the kitchen of his home. He was using the device

> to

> self-administer high- and low-pressure treatments for chronic

> headaches.

> He had explored a whole range of conventional and alternative medical

> cures before buying the boiler-like vessel from a Grimsby, Ont.,

> businessman.

> Dr. McLeod, associate registrar of the College of Physicians

> and

> Surgeons of Ontario, believes it would take more than strict laws to

> stop

> another desperate person from building his or her death trap.

> McLeod suggested an absolute ban on home-made chambers would only

> drive

> the problem further underground.

> ''At the end of the day, if an individual wants to do his own thing,

> it

> can be very difficult to stop them,'' he told the inquest. ''If

> somebody

> really wants something, they will find other ways of getting it,'' he

> said.

> Instead of a ban, McLeod suggested a study group to explore the

> risks and

> medical benefits of hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

> He agreed, however, that hyperbaric chambers - which use pure oxygen

> -

> are too dangerous for private home because of the risk of explosions

> and

> fires.

> Leckie, a medical devices inspector for Health Canada,

> testified hyperbaric chambers can be used to treat only 13 medical

> conditions in Canada, including severe burns, gangrene, decompression

> sickness, flesh eating disease, and common monoxide poisoning.

> There are about 30 chambers in clinics across Canada and an unknown

> number in private homes.

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> Global Hyperbaric Resource Project was recently founded to create a

> searchable centralized public source of Hyperbaric Information and

> Patient Testimonies on the Internet. Some Hyperbaric Web sites go

> off-line or get buried at the bottom of the search engines and

> valuable

> information is lost or never found. With the Global Hyperbaric

> Resource

> Project we are asking everyone to use www.hyperbaric-forum.com as a

> staging ground to build a unified location to refer people for

> Hyperbaric

> Information. Many volunteers have been adding their information to

> the

> database and including a link in that information back to their web

> site.

> Until now Hyperbaric Information has been loosely scattered across

> the

> internet with not enough in one location for a potential patient to

> come

> to an educated decision about Hyperbaric Therapy. The Global

> Hyperbaric

> Resource Project hopes to change this and will be a great benefit to

> anyone considering Hyperbaric Therapy.

>

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:11:27 -0000 naturalhealthway@...

> writes:

> > said,> Wayne, Are you out of your mind?

> > My Dear ,

> > I've noticed many of your replies seem to have the angle of pushing

> > your HBOT facility and promoting your " expert skills " .

> > Someone with engineering and technical abilities like being able to

> > weld airtight seams and pressure test vessels could make an HBOT if

> > they really put their mind to it. It doesn't need to have all the

> > bells and whistles of professional chamber. One could make a

> > chamber

> > out of a large propane tank. It is already made to sustain the

> > pressure. Apparently your capabilities don't allow you to imagine

> > how

> > someone might go about this.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: HBOT

> > >

> > >

> > > > Evening Dr. Saul and the list,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >But I though that you posted previously that there were HBOT

> > chambers

> > > sold

> > > > >for $40,000. Not yours, but other ones.

> > > >

> > > > No doubt others have thought of the question I have.

> > > >

> > > > Surely a super craftsman with determination could build a home

> > system from

> > > > junk he can find here and there to result if a fully functional

> > HBOT

> > > system.

> > > >

> > > > I have an eight by 10 walk in cooler that is virtually air

> > tight. It

> > > could

> > > > be sealed with any material imaginable.

> > > >

> > > > Getting the door to be pressure tight would be the only

> problem.

> >

> > Maybe we

> > > > could swipe the hatch off a submarine or similar.

> > > >

> > > > I am into control systems, at one time manufactured medical

> > products,

> > > > designed manifolds and valves. I could certainly build a fully

> > computer

> > > > controlled system for the HBOT.

> > > >

> > > > Tell me I am crazy.... if you think so. <grin>

> > > >

> > > > Wayne

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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again, He did not check the level of oxygen in his tank, HE reduced the

level of atmosphere with in his " Hypobaric " chamber, then he ran out of

oxygen, ( he most likely had the oxygen delivered by a mask) and

suffocated,) Had he been trained, he would have checked his tank before he

took the last dive in the tank. Training helps it can save life's,

this poor man loss his life because of his Lack of training and his wife

left the room, Had she been there the entire time she could have let him out

and he would be alive today.

I am sorry he lost his life, I am sorry that it may hurt the field of HBOT

in the long run. the entire accident could have been befited completely had

he looked at the level of oxygen with in his tank, How do I prevent this

from happening? I have a monitor on my tanks that tells me when the tanks

get below 50 PSI, and I have back up tanks that switch over in that event, I

check my level of oxygen all day long, this law that says I must do things

this way is a GOOD law and I will abide by it. IT saves life's.

Re: Re: HBOT-

>

>

> Hello All,

> Here is story on someone who made 49 chamber runs....but...

> died... but... it shows what can be done and what can go wrong!

>

> If you want better info on Hyperbaric info this is page

> where story is:

>

> http://www.hyperbaric-forum.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/000036.html

>

> Thanks

> Mike Slivinski

>

>

>

> Deadly hyperbaric chamber to be examined - thestar.com

> WELLAND - A coroner's jury will get a chance today to examine an

> antiquated hyperbaric chamber that turned into a death trap for a man

> obsessed with alternative medicines.

> The jurors will be taken from the Welland courthouse to a storage

> facility outside the city where the make-shift device is being kept.

> The 60-year-old boiler-like chamber - which is made of heavy-gauge

> steel

> and weighs 1,600 pounds - is the centrepiece of a coroner's inquest

> probing the death of 36-year-old Skala.

> Skala was conducting a hypobaric (low pressure) treatment for his

> persistent headaches when he suffocated inside the chamber on Jan.

> 31,

> 2000.

> His self-styled experiment involved purging all the ambient air from

> the

> chamber and sucking pure oxygen through a tube from a cylinder

> outside

> the tank.

> With conventional hyperbaric treatment, however, the air pressure

> inside

> the tank is increased.

> Originally developed to treat divers suffering from the ''bends,''

> hyperbaric chambers are now used in hospitals to treat conditions

> including carbon monoxide poisoning, cyanide poisoning, and severe

> burns.

> The jury heard that Skala had purchased the chamber from retired

> Grimsby

> businessman Arthur Bray for $1,500 in the summer of 1999 and

> installed it

> in the kitchen of his home.

> After his death, police found an elaborate system of gauges, tubes,

> and

> other devices including an air purifier, vacuum pump and compressor

> hooked up to the white cylinder.

> When he went inside for a session, his common-law wife would fasten

> the

> door with a number of heavy bolts and monitor the treatment through

> two

> small portholes on the hatch.

> There was also a porthole on the top that allowed Skala to see the

> gauges

> on the oxygen tank.

> He would bang on the chamber or give her hand signals if the wanted

> her

> to change the air pressure.

> Once inside the chamber, there was no way for him to open the hatch

> and

> get out on his own.

> He had conducted 49 sessions - which he recorded in his diary - at

> the

> time of his death.

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> posted 04-25-2001 05:33 PM    

>           

> Search for headache cure proved deadly - hamiltonspectator.com

> Clairmont The Hamilton Spectator

> Skala said if the 60-year-old jerry-rigged hyperbaric chamber

> he

> bought for $1,500 wouldn't stop his headaches, he was " going to die

> trying " to find a cure.

> Then on Jan. 31, 2000, he slid inside the 2.7-metre-long,

> shoulder-wide

> cylinder wedged between the fridge and stove in his Fonthill kitchen.

> And, just like she had done 48 times before, his pregnant common-law

> wife

> Lorrie Welsh used a power tool to securely bolt shut the air-tight

> steel

> hatch. She turned a dial that fed oxygen into her husband's mask,

> started

> a vacuum that sucked the rest of the air out of the chamber, waited

> for

> his 'thumbs-up' signal, then went into the living room to read a

> book to

> her four-year-old son.

> Twenty minutes later Skala suffocated to death.

> A coroner's inquest began yesterday in Welland to look at the

> circumstances of the 32-year-old's death and to make recommendations

> about the use of hyperbaric chambers outside hospital settings. It is

> Ontario's first inquest into hyperbaric chambers.

> Originally designed by the military to stabilize deep-sea divers

> suffering from the bends, hyperbaric chambers have for years been

> used by

> specially trained physicians at hospitals to treat a narrow range of

> acute conditions. These include thermal burns, problem wounds,

> decompression sickness, crush injuries and flesh-eating disease.

> But in recent years, private clinics have expanded the use of the

> chambers to include treatment of acquired brain injuries, multiple

> sclerosis, cerebral palsy and other disabilities.

> Those treatments are controversial.

> Private clinics are unregulated in Ontario and the established

> medical

> community says there is no proof hyperbaric chambers will help any of

> those conditions.

> In fact, many doctors warn against using the chambers outside a

> hospital

> because they are too dangerous.

> Skala was always desperately searching for new ways to ease the

> headaches

> that plagued him. They began after he seriously injured his neck in

> a car

> accident when he was 19.

> " He said his mind was full of cobwebs, " Welsh testified. " A constant

> pressure in the middle of his head that he couldn't reach. The only

> time

> it changed was when it got worse. "

> A believer in homeopathic medicine, Skala had tried vitamins and

> herbs to

> quell the headaches. In fact, Welsh told the five-member jury, they

> met

> more than five years ago at a herbal remedies workshop.

> But Skala never liked to follow the recommendations of naturopaths.

> " He was an extremist, " Welsh testified. " If one (pill) was supposed

> to

> work, he'd try five. Sometimes he'd take 15 ... He'd say, 'If I

> don't get

> healthy, I'm going to die trying.' "

> When his brother was involved in an accident, Skala became

> interested in

> hyperbaric therapy treatment. He talked to a naturopath in St.

> Catharines

> about it and began researching it on the Internet. He phoned a

> clinic in

> Florida that offers the therapy and tried to phone government

> offices in

> Ontario " to find out who was in charge of hyperbaric chambers, " Welsh

> told the court. " He just got passed from one ministry to another. "

> Then he bought a used chamber from a former military diver in

> Grimsby.

> Skala took the tank to his parent's farm where he worked. He tinkered

> with it for seven months.

> Then he installed the 720-kilogram tank in his kitchen.

> " We put it over a support beam so it wouldn't crash through the

> floor, "

> Welsh says.

> In August 1999, Skala -- an avid scuba diver -- made his first

> " dive. "

> That's the term used for a hyperbaric session. Pure oxygen, at

> triple the

> outside air pressure, is pumped into the sealed container. The oxygen

> fills the blood and flows into parts of the body that have been

> deprived

> of oxygen. The extra oxygen is believed to help restore cell growth.

> Skala's " dives " would last anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. He

> would

> sometimes do up to five in a day. He'd lie down on a piece of plywood

> inside the chamber. Welsh did the rest.

> " I would close the door and I would seal the bolts ... It scared me

> because I didn't understand it. "

> She told the jury she relied on her husband to give her instructions.

> Sometimes, while inside the chamber, he'd write orders and press them

> against the porthole glass. Other times he'd just use hand signals to

> indicate he needed more or less oxygen.

> " He just seemed to know, " said Welsh, who added that he had wanted to

> take a 10-day hyperbaric chamber course in Florida.

> Skala took 35 dives between August 1999 and January 2000.

> He believed the dives gave him energy. But they did nothing for his

> headaches.

> So he took a gamble.

> A skydiver as well as a scuba diver, Skala liked the way his brain

> felt

> when he was in the air. The altitude seemed to clear the pain that

> was so

> persistent.

> So using some equipment he bought from a medical supplier, he turned

> his

> hyperbaric chamber into a hypobaric chamber. Instead of simulating

> the

> pressure of being below sea level, he wanted to replicate the

> feeling of

> being at a great height. Using a vacuum, he sucked all of the air

> out of

> the chamber, leaving himself to rely completely on an oxygen mask

> for air

> supplied by a tank outside the chamber.

> Thirteen times he tried hypobaric therapy and complained it didn't

> help

> his headaches either.

> On the fourteenth time, he died.

> Dr. Chitra Rao, a Hamilton pathologist who performed the autopsy,

> testified that hypobaric chamber therapy wouldn't have made Skala

> feel

> better.

> " It increases intercranial pressure. That's going to aggravate the

> headache. "

> In fact, said Rao, no medical treatments at all use hypobaric

> therapy.

> Welsh told the jury she still believes in the treatments her husband

> was

> giving himself in the chamber.

> " The chambers work, " she said. " You just shouldn't have one in your

> kitchen. "

> Clairmont's commentary appears regularly in The Spectator. You

> can

> contact her by e-mail at sclairmont@... or by

> telephone

> at 905-526-3539.

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> posted 04-26-2001 08:28 AM    

>           

> Private hyperbaric chambers legal, inquest told - thestar.com

> WELLAND - There is nothing to stop people from building a hyperbaric

> chamber like the one that killed a southern Ontario man in an

> ill-fated

> medical experiment, a coroner's inquest heard yesterday.

> Despite strict controls in clinical settings, there are no

> regulations

> governing the construction or use of hyperbaric chambers in private

> homes.

> Even if there were strict laws against private use, medical experts

> told

> a coroner's inquest yesterday they probably wouldn't have prevented

> the

> death of Skala.

> On Jan. 31, last year, Skala suffocated in an antiquated diving

> chamber

> he had installed in the kitchen of his home. He was using the device

> to

> self-administer high- and low-pressure treatments for chronic

> headaches.

> He had explored a whole range of conventional and alternative medical

> cures before buying the boiler-like vessel from a Grimsby, Ont.,

> businessman.

> Dr. McLeod, associate registrar of the College of Physicians

> and

> Surgeons of Ontario, believes it would take more than strict laws to

> stop

> another desperate person from building his or her death trap.

> McLeod suggested an absolute ban on home-made chambers would only

> drive

> the problem further underground.

> ''At the end of the day, if an individual wants to do his own thing,

> it

> can be very difficult to stop them,'' he told the inquest. ''If

> somebody

> really wants something, they will find other ways of getting it,'' he

> said.

> Instead of a ban, McLeod suggested a study group to explore the

> risks and

> medical benefits of hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

> He agreed, however, that hyperbaric chambers - which use pure oxygen

> -

> are too dangerous for private home because of the risk of explosions

> and

> fires.

> Leckie, a medical devices inspector for Health Canada,

> testified hyperbaric chambers can be used to treat only 13 medical

> conditions in Canada, including severe burns, gangrene, decompression

> sickness, flesh eating disease, and common monoxide poisoning.

> There are about 30 chambers in clinics across Canada and an unknown

> number in private homes.

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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:11:27 -0000 naturalhealthway@...

> writes:

> > said,> Wayne, Are you out of your mind?

> > My Dear ,

> > I've noticed many of your replies seem to have the angle of pushing

> > your HBOT facility and promoting your " expert skills " .

> > Someone with engineering and technical abilities like being able to

> > weld airtight seams and pressure test vessels could make an HBOT if

> > they really put their mind to it. It doesn't need to have all the

> > bells and whistles of professional chamber. One could make a

> > chamber

> > out of a large propane tank. It is already made to sustain the

> > pressure. Apparently your capabilities don't allow you to imagine

> > how

> > someone might go about this.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: HBOT

> > >

> > >

> > > > Evening Dr. Saul and the list,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >But I though that you posted previously that there were HBOT

> > chambers

> > > sold

> > > > >for $40,000. Not yours, but other ones.

> > > >

> > > > No doubt others have thought of the question I have.

> > > >

> > > > Surely a super craftsman with determination could build a home

> > system from

> > > > junk he can find here and there to result if a fully functional

> > HBOT

> > > system.

> > > >

> > > > I have an eight by 10 walk in cooler that is virtually air

> > tight. It

> > > could

> > > > be sealed with any material imaginable.

> > > >

> > > > Getting the door to be pressure tight would be the only

> problem.

> >

> > Maybe we

> > > > could swipe the hatch off a submarine or similar.

> > > >

> > > > I am into control systems, at one time manufactured medical

> > products,

> > > > designed manifolds and valves. I could certainly build a fully

> > computer

> > > > controlled system for the HBOT.

> > > >

> > > > Tell me I am crazy.... if you think so. <grin>

> > > >

> > > > Wayne

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Better would be to have the doors on the inside, that way the pressure keeps

the doors locked not relying on a latch or hinge,( this is the way I had

mine made), also a release on the inside

RE: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

Morning ,

At 02:10 AM 07/01/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Dear Wayne I was talking about the article which the man died in a

Hypobaric

>chamber, NOT a hyperbaric Chamber. I was not speaking to you

>

Yes, I read that one also. I formed some opinions and ideas while

reading it.

First, I would like the bolts on the inside. It takes much less strength

and pressure to hold the seal if the door opened to the inside, very much

like some valves are designed.

Even my walk in cooler could take a life in a similar manner, if not for the

inside door latch.

Again.... I would trust no one but myself.

My final deduction was that his wife intentionally killed him.

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Better would be to have the doors on the inside, that way the pressure keeps

the doors locked not relying on a latch or hinge,( this is the way I had

mine made), also a release on the inside

RE: Re: HBOT- " HYPO " Baric Chamber

Morning ,

At 02:10 AM 07/01/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Dear Wayne I was talking about the article which the man died in a

Hypobaric

>chamber, NOT a hyperbaric Chamber. I was not speaking to you

>

Yes, I read that one also. I formed some opinions and ideas while

reading it.

First, I would like the bolts on the inside. It takes much less strength

and pressure to hold the seal if the door opened to the inside, very much

like some valves are designed.

Even my walk in cooler could take a life in a similar manner, if not for the

inside door latch.

Again.... I would trust no one but myself.

My final deduction was that his wife intentionally killed him.

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Liver Transplant Averted Through The Application Of HBOT

My liver disease was contracted through exposure to one or more

cleaning solvents used in the Army's nuclear weapons program in 1965.

The only indications of liver problems experienced during the next

twenty-five years were slightly elevated liver enzymes and an

enlarged liver. Throughout my military career my liver was constantly

evaluated, but it never prevented me from doing my job, and never

caused any health problems.

In the summer of 1989 my health problems began. I began to lose

energy and had frequent bouts with pancreatitis, and it was noted

that my triglycerides were over 800.

In 1993 after being admitted to Brook Army Medical Center in San

, Texas, with internal bleeding, an endoscopic examination of

my esophagus revealed numerous varicies. CT scan and Sonogram

revealed, cirrhosis and portal hypertension. Since 1993 I have

experienced 14 varicies bandings, liver enzymes have been elevated,

bilirubin elevated, Amonia has been very high and my triglyceides

were usually 1200-1400.

By 1999 my health had deteriorated to the point that I was non

functional I had not been able to work for the past two years. As a

Realtor you must be able to think clearly, write good concise

contracts and provide professional advice to your clients, I could do

none of those things, and I didn't have the energy to work anyway.

An MRI in 1999 verified cirrhosis and portal hypertension. December

1999 I was placed on the University of Texas Health Science Center's

liver transplant list. Some of the indications were as follows;

a. Elevated liver enzymes

b. Elevated bilirubin

c. Alb high

d. Ammonia high

e. Triglycerides over 1300

f. Liver volume 1100 ccm, by CT scan

g. Lack of energy, problems thinking, and speaking

h. Swelling in legs and feet

In June of 2000 I received 36 HBOT treatments at HyperTec, Inc. in

Olney, TX., followed by 20 treatments in August.

A CT Scan conducted at the University of Texas Health Science Center

in October 2000 revealed an increase in liver volume from 1100ccm to

1700ccm this new tissue growth appeared to be good liver tissue. At

this time I felt good and was thinking, and speaking clearly, and had

gone back to work.

As of 26 February 2001 I have had over 100 HBOT treatments, my last

blood tests in January 2001 were GREAT. All liver indications were

within the normal range except bilirubin, which was 0.1 above normal.

Triglycerides that were usually over 1,000 were down to 242. My

physician is rapidly becoming a believer in HBOT.

I received all of my HBOT treatments at HyperTec, Inc. in Olney Tx.,

and wish to express my gratitude to their very professional staff,

they are great people, from a great community, and I will always

consider them friends.

For More information Contact : barns@...

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Liver Transplant Averted Through The Application Of HBOT

My liver disease was contracted through exposure to one or more

cleaning solvents used in the Army's nuclear weapons program in 1965.

The only indications of liver problems experienced during the next

twenty-five years were slightly elevated liver enzymes and an

enlarged liver. Throughout my military career my liver was constantly

evaluated, but it never prevented me from doing my job, and never

caused any health problems.

In the summer of 1989 my health problems began. I began to lose

energy and had frequent bouts with pancreatitis, and it was noted

that my triglycerides were over 800.

In 1993 after being admitted to Brook Army Medical Center in San

, Texas, with internal bleeding, an endoscopic examination of

my esophagus revealed numerous varicies. CT scan and Sonogram

revealed, cirrhosis and portal hypertension. Since 1993 I have

experienced 14 varicies bandings, liver enzymes have been elevated,

bilirubin elevated, Amonia has been very high and my triglyceides

were usually 1200-1400.

By 1999 my health had deteriorated to the point that I was non

functional I had not been able to work for the past two years. As a

Realtor you must be able to think clearly, write good concise

contracts and provide professional advice to your clients, I could do

none of those things, and I didn't have the energy to work anyway.

An MRI in 1999 verified cirrhosis and portal hypertension. December

1999 I was placed on the University of Texas Health Science Center's

liver transplant list. Some of the indications were as follows;

a. Elevated liver enzymes

b. Elevated bilirubin

c. Alb high

d. Ammonia high

e. Triglycerides over 1300

f. Liver volume 1100 ccm, by CT scan

g. Lack of energy, problems thinking, and speaking

h. Swelling in legs and feet

In June of 2000 I received 36 HBOT treatments at HyperTec, Inc. in

Olney, TX., followed by 20 treatments in August.

A CT Scan conducted at the University of Texas Health Science Center

in October 2000 revealed an increase in liver volume from 1100ccm to

1700ccm this new tissue growth appeared to be good liver tissue. At

this time I felt good and was thinking, and speaking clearly, and had

gone back to work.

As of 26 February 2001 I have had over 100 HBOT treatments, my last

blood tests in January 2001 were GREAT. All liver indications were

within the normal range except bilirubin, which was 0.1 above normal.

Triglycerides that were usually over 1,000 were down to 242. My

physician is rapidly becoming a believer in HBOT.

I received all of my HBOT treatments at HyperTec, Inc. in Olney Tx.,

and wish to express my gratitude to their very professional staff,

they are great people, from a great community, and I will always

consider them friends.

For More information Contact : barns@...

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