Re: OT: Vaccination Dilemma

[Guest guest]

I remember years back some people getting out of having their children vacinated for religious reasons. My daughter-in-law did not have to have her other two kids vacinated because of Karac having autism. I think the MMR is not suppose to have thimerasol in it any more, but I know that the tetinus shot does and it caused regression in Karac. Pat K

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child vaccinated and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such reason for not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against your religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps an attorney or legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of course someone on this newsgroup.

Barry

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child vaccinated and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such reason for not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against your religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps an attorney or legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of course someone on this newsgroup.

Barry

[Guest guest]

I have a friend that refused to get the vaccinations and she told the school that it was against her religion. In the public schools, I think there is a form that your church minister fills out. I really struggled with this issue too, its a toughy! Kat <beedo4me@...> wrote: 4yo is due for his vaccinations. I'm REEEEEAlly struggling with this one.I believe in my heart-of-hearts and in my brain-of-brains that it was vaccinations (NO! Therimasol) in combination with a

genetic predisposition that made my son autistic.I have a friend in Florida who's child had a similar experience but went ahead with the booster shots. The child was a high-functioning autistic and then they let her get booster shots and she became a "drooling zombie." (Not my words, but hers.)In my conversation with his pediatrician (who doesn't agree with my thinking on the subject) he said that all of the vaccinations was to get had some degree or another of Therimosal in it.Tim is to start his 2nd year of preschool next month. The school won't let him come to school unless he has his vaccinations.Does anybody know of any legal recourse we might have?I know this isn't a behavioral issue (except, perhaps, on the part of the doctors and the school system), but I'm, well... I'm kind of freaking out about what to do.Any help would be greatly

appreciated!Kat

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[Guest guest]

I have a friend that refused to get the vaccinations and she told the school that it was against her religion. In the public schools, I think there is a form that your church minister fills out. I really struggled with this issue too, its a toughy! Kat <beedo4me@...> wrote: 4yo is due for his vaccinations. I'm REEEEEAlly struggling with this one.I believe in my heart-of-hearts and in my brain-of-brains that it was vaccinations (NO! Therimasol) in combination with a

genetic predisposition that made my son autistic.I have a friend in Florida who's child had a similar experience but went ahead with the booster shots. The child was a high-functioning autistic and then they let her get booster shots and she became a "drooling zombie." (Not my words, but hers.)In my conversation with his pediatrician (who doesn't agree with my thinking on the subject) he said that all of the vaccinations was to get had some degree or another of Therimosal in it.Tim is to start his 2nd year of preschool next month. The school won't let him come to school unless he has his vaccinations.Does anybody know of any legal recourse we might have?I know this isn't a behavioral issue (except, perhaps, on the part of the doctors and the school system), but I'm, well... I'm kind of freaking out about what to do.Any help would be greatly

appreciated!Kat

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I don't know if this varies from state to state but I live in CA and even though

my son didn't attend public school till he was 6 I told them that due to his

autism I would not be doing the shots.There was no problem.It is my

understanding that no one can force you to do the shots for if it's based on

personal,religious or medical reasons.

Stacey

From: tami schaff <tamischaff11@...>

Date: 2006/07/20 Thu AM 07:29:34 CDT

autism

Subject: Re: OT: Vaccination Dilemma

I have a friend that refused to get the vaccinations and she told the school

that it was against her religion.  In the public schools, I think there is a

form that your church minister fills out.  I really struggled with this issue

too, its a toughy! 

Kat <beedo4me@...> wrote: 4yo is due for his vaccinations.

I'm REEEEEAlly struggling

with this one.

I believe in my heart-of-hearts and in my brain-of-brains that it was

vaccinations (NO! Therimasol) in combination with a genetic

predisposition that made my son autistic.

I have a friend in Florida who's child had a similar experience but <BR>went

ahead with the booster shots. The child was a high-functioning <BR>autistic and

then they let her get booster shots and she became <BR>a " drooling zombie. " (Not

my words, but hers.)<BR><BR>In my conversation with his pediatrician (who

doesn't agree with my

thinking on the subject) he said that all of the vaccinations

was to get had some degree or another of Therimosal in it.

Tim is to start his 2nd year of preschool next month. The school

won't let him come to school unless he has his vaccinations.<BR><BR>Does anybody

know of any legal recourse we might have?<BR><BR>I know this isn't a behavioral

issue (except, perhaps, on the part of

the doctors and the school system), but I'm, well... I'm kind of

freaking out about what to do.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Kat

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A parent can go to www.nvic.org to check out which exemptions are available in each state...

Heidi

-------------- Original message -------------- From: tami schaff <tamischaff11@...>

I have a friend that refused to get the vaccinations and she told the school that it was against her religion. In the public schools, I think there is a form that your church minister fills out. I really struggled with this issue too, its a toughy!

Kat <beedo4me@...> wrote:

4yo is due for his vaccinations. I'm REEEEEAlly struggling with this one.I believe in my heart-of-hearts and in my brain-of-brains that it was vaccinations (NO! Therimasol) in combination with a genetic predisposition that made my son autistic.I have a friend in Florida who's child had a similar experience but went ahead with the booster shots. The child was a high-functioning autistic and then they let her get booster shots and she became a "drooling zombie." (Not my words, but hers.)In my conversation with his pediatrician (who doesn't agree with my thinking on the subject) he said that all of the vaccinations was to get had some degree or another of Therimosal in it.Tim is to start his 2nd year of preschool next month. The school won't let him come to school unless he has his vaccinations.Does anybody know of any legal recourse we might have?I know this isn't a behavioral iss

ue (except, perhaps, on the part of the doctors and the school system), but I'm, well... I'm kind of freaking out about what to do.Any help would be greatly appreciated!Kat

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[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There was a form (I think it was called something like the " Michigan

Waiver Form " ) that you should be able to get one from a public

school. It states that you have chosen not to have your children

vaccinated. I took it to my son's private preschool and they

accepted it. I remember also writing on it that I had my son's

blood checked (titers) to see if he needed anymore shots and he

didn't. The only one missing was pertussis.

>

> Kat,

>

> I know that there are a number of reasons to not have your child

vaccinated

> and still be allowed to enter the public school system. One such

reason for

> not vaccinating is on religious grounds, defined as being against

your

> religious beliefs, but there are other reasons as well. . Perhaps

an attorney or

> legal advocate knowledgeable on this subject can help you. Or of

course someone

> on this newsgroup.

>

> Barry

>

[Guest guest]

There are two things you could do:

1) Insist the doctor do a blood titers test for the vaccine. This

test will show if your son is already immune from the prior

vaccinations and therefore does not require the boosters and can get

a medical exemption. A little fact that does not get publicized is

that 95% of kids are immune from the first rounds of vaccinations and

do not need the booster. The rational to vaccinate all to get at the

5% not immune is BS and a $ scheme.

2) Write a letter for a religious exemption (or see if your state has

philosophical exemptions). There are many websites if you do a

google search that will give you the info you need for the exemption.

I would not vaccinate my children any further. I had a friend who's

perfectly fine 4 yr old son got the boosters 4 years ago and within a

month began to have gran mal seizures and is now a zombie like child

who requires special ed and is still having at least one major

seizure per day. The change I saw in this child is dramatic and

terrifying.

>

> 4yo is due for his vaccinations. I'm REEEEEAlly struggling

> with this one.

>

> I believe in my heart-of-hearts and in my brain-of-brains that it

was

> vaccinations (NO! Therimasol) in combination with a genetic

> predisposition that made my son autistic.

>

> I have a friend in Florida who's child had a similar experience but

> went ahead with the booster shots. The child was a high-functioning

> autistic and then they let her get booster shots and she became

> a " drooling zombie. " (Not my words, but hers.)

>

> In my conversation with his pediatrician (who doesn't agree with my

> thinking on the subject) he said that all of the vaccinations

> was to get had some degree or another of Therimosal in it.

>

> Tim is to start his 2nd year of preschool next month. The school

> won't let him come to school unless he has his vaccinations.

>

> Does anybody know of any legal recourse we might have?

>

> I know this isn't a behavioral issue (except, perhaps, on the part

of

> the doctors and the school system), but I'm, well... I'm kind of

> freaking out about what to do.

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Kat

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, everybody, for your suggestions.

We can't say that he can't have them for religious reasons because

that's not the case and we don't feel comfortable lying about it. Also,

we shouldn't HAVE to, if you know what I mean.

Anyway, I'm going to call the school board and see what they have to

say. I'll just tell them we don't want to do it because he's autistic.

I haven't contacted them before now because I wanted to research things

a little first. Unfortunately, the end result of my research hasn't

amounted to much.

Ah me....

Thanks again!

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with the point you made about blood tests to see how much immunity your child has - we done that for measles part of mmr.

Re: OT: Vaccination Dilemma

There are two things you could do:1) Insist the doctor do a blood titers test for the vaccine. This test will show if your son is already immune from the prior vaccinations and therefore does not require the boosters and can get a medical exemption. A little fact that does not get publicized is that 95% of kids are immune from the first rounds of vaccinations and do not need the booster. The rational to vaccinate all to get at the 5% not immune is BS and a $ scheme.2) Write a letter for a religious exemption (or see if your state has philosophical exemptions). There are many websites if you do a google search that will give you the info you need for the exemption.I would not vaccinate my children any further. I had a friend who's perfectly fine 4 yr old son got the boosters 4 years ago and within a month began to have gran mal seizures and is now a zombie like child who requires special ed and is still having at least one major seizure per day. The change I saw in this child is dramatic and terrifying.>> 4yo is due for his vaccinations. I'm REEEEEAlly struggling > with this one.> > I believe in my heart-of-hearts and in my brain-of-brains that it was > vaccinations (NO! Therimasol) in combination with a genetic > predisposition that made my son autistic.> > I have a friend in Florida who's child had a similar experience but > went ahead with the booster shots. The child was a high-functioning > autistic and then they let her get booster shots and she became > a "drooling zombie." (Not my words, but hers.)> > In my conversation with his pediatrician (who doesn't agree with my > thinking on the subject) he said that all of the vaccinations > was to get had some degree or another of Therimosal in it.> > Tim is to start his 2nd year of preschool next month. The school > won't let him come to school unless he has his vaccinations.> > Does anybody know of any legal recourse we might have?> > I know this isn't a behavioral issue (except, perhaps, on the part of > the doctors and the school system), but I'm, well... I'm kind of > freaking out about what to do.> > Any help would be greatly appreciated!> > Kat>

[Guest guest]

I will be testing for tithers because NJ law now states that an MMR

booster is NOT required to continue in public school. My Pediatrician's

office will require you to have a blood test done for tithers before

they excuse you from the MMR booster. That's their " policy "

With my loud mouth and history over there, I don't think they'll require

the test, but I would rather my daughter have a blood test than the MMR

booster. Just my personal choice.

Em

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 4:31 pm, wrote:

> I totally agree with the point you made about blood tests to see how

> much immunity your child has - we done that for measles part of mmr.

>

>

>

>> Re: OT: Vaccination Dilemma

>>

>> There are two things you could do:

>>

>> 1) Insist the doctor do a blood titers test for the vaccine. This

>> test will show if your son is already immune from the prior

>> vaccinations and therefore does not require the boosters and can get

>> a medical exemption. A little fact that does not get publicized is

>> that 95% of kids are immune from the first rounds of vaccinations and

>> do not need the booster. The rational to vaccinate all to get at the

>> 5% not immune is BS and a $ scheme.

>>

>> 2) Write a letter for a religious exemption (or see if your state has

>> philosophical exemptions). There are many websites if you do a

>> google search that will give you the info you need for the exemption.

>>

>> I would not vaccinate my children any further. I had a friend who's

>> perfectly fine 4 yr old son got the boosters 4 years ago and within a

>> month began to have gran mal seizures and is now a zombie like child

>> who requires special ed and is still having at least one major

>> seizure per day. The change I saw in this child is dramatic and

>> terrifying.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> 4yo is due for his vaccinations. I'm REEEEEAlly struggling

>>> with this one.

>>>

>>> I believe in my heart-of-hearts and in my brain-of-brains that it

>> was

>>> vaccinations (NO! Therimasol) in combination with a genetic

>>> predisposition that made my son autistic.

>>>

>>> I have a friend in Florida who's child had a similar experience but

>>> went ahead with the booster shots. The child was a high-functioning

>>> autistic and then they let her get booster shots and she became

>>> a " drooling zombie. " (Not my words, but hers.)

>>>

>>> In my conversation with his pediatrician (who doesn't agree with my

>>> thinking on the subject) he said that all of the vaccinations

>>

>>> was to get had some degree or another of Therimosal in it.

>>>

>>> Tim is to start his 2nd year of preschool next month. The school

>>> won't let him come to school unless he has his vaccinations.

>>>

>>> Does anybody know of any legal recourse we might have?

>>>

>>> I know this isn't a behavioral issue (except, perhaps, on the part

>> of

>>> the doctors and the school system), but I'm, well... I'm kind of

>>> freaking out about what to do.

>>>

>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>>>

>>> Kat

>>>

>

>

-

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[Guest guest]

I will be testing for tithers because NJ law now states that an MMR

booster is NOT required to continue in public school. My Pediatrician's

office will require you to have a blood test done for tithers before

they excuse you from the MMR booster. That's their " policy "

With my loud mouth and history over there, I don't think they'll require

the test, but I would rather my daughter have a blood test than the MMR

booster. Just my personal choice.

Em

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 4:31 pm, wrote:

> I totally agree with the point you made about blood tests to see how

> much immunity your child has - we done that for measles part of mmr.

>

>

>

>> Re: OT: Vaccination Dilemma

>>

>> There are two things you could do:

>>

>> 1) Insist the doctor do a blood titers test for the vaccine. This

>> test will show if your son is already immune from the prior

>> vaccinations and therefore does not require the boosters and can get

>> a medical exemption. A little fact that does not get publicized is

>> that 95% of kids are immune from the first rounds of vaccinations and

>> do not need the booster. The rational to vaccinate all to get at the

>> 5% not immune is BS and a $ scheme.

>>

>> 2) Write a letter for a religious exemption (or see if your state has

>> philosophical exemptions). There are many websites if you do a

>> google search that will give you the info you need for the exemption.

>>

>> I would not vaccinate my children any further. I had a friend who's

>> perfectly fine 4 yr old son got the boosters 4 years ago and within a

>> month began to have gran mal seizures and is now a zombie like child

>> who requires special ed and is still having at least one major

>> seizure per day. The change I saw in this child is dramatic and

>> terrifying.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> 4yo is due for his vaccinations. I'm REEEEEAlly struggling

>>> with this one.

>>>

>>> I believe in my heart-of-hearts and in my brain-of-brains that it

>> was

>>> vaccinations (NO! Therimasol) in combination with a genetic

>>> predisposition that made my son autistic.

>>>

>>> I have a friend in Florida who's child had a similar experience but

>>> went ahead with the booster shots. The child was a high-functioning

>>> autistic and then they let her get booster shots and she became

>>> a " drooling zombie. " (Not my words, but hers.)

>>>

>>> In my conversation with his pediatrician (who doesn't agree with my

>>> thinking on the subject) he said that all of the vaccinations

>>

>>> was to get had some degree or another of Therimosal in it.

>>>

>>> Tim is to start his 2nd year of preschool next month. The school

>>> won't let him come to school unless he has his vaccinations.

>>>

>>> Does anybody know of any legal recourse we might have?

>>>

>>> I know this isn't a behavioral issue (except, perhaps, on the part

>> of

>>> the doctors and the school system), but I'm, well... I'm kind of

>>> freaking out about what to do.

>>>

>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>>>

>>> Kat

>>>

>

>

-

YM and AOL IM handle: LittleSmokes1978