Re: help needed with phenol/enzymes

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In a message dated 27/04/2006 20:18:27 GMT Daylight Time, kate@... writes:

She has been on the diet for 2.5 months now and at first I saw really encouraging results. She became much calmer and stopped hitting her head. She even slept the odd night without melatonin. The best thing was she was such a happy child full of smiles. About a couple of weeks ago this has started to change and she now has started to become more hyper again, occas hitting her head...not as bad as before but she had stopped, she is also more miserable and tearful again.

>>>I think she has gut bugs, which were probably being helped by the NF int he afternoon and bugs got a hold when you switched it to the morning. We had same with Sam when starting enzymes, they do help with the gut bugs by reducing food matter int he bowel, especially NF given away from meals.

I have to go now will write more later - sick as a parrot can;t think straight

Mandi x

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I’m no expert but we’ve done

the diet for a year now. It could be withdrawal – lots of them, including

my son have withdrawal symptoms from gluten. It could also be that, sometimes,

parents substitute casein and gluten for soya and corn and these are just as

bad (in my case I gave my son loads of corn stuff) there are also other

offending foods but there are people that know lots of stuff on this list. Sara

help needed with phenol/enzymes

Hi,

I could really do with some advice from anyone who is using the

Houston enzymes. I started my 4 year old daughter on a GF/CF/ dairy

free diet with AFP Peptizyde,zyme prime in a drink 3 x a day before

each meal and No Fenol initially on an empty stomach in the

afternoon and then moved to her pre breakfast drink as I was giving

her rice milk for b/fast and I had read you should give NF with

this.

She has been on the diet for 2.5 months now and at first I saw

really encouraging results. She became much calmer and stopped

hitting her head. She even slept the odd night without melatonin.

The best thing was she was such a happy child full of smiles. About

a couple of weeks ago this has started to change and she now has

started to become more hyper again, occas hitting her head...not as

bad as before but she had stopped, she is also more miserable and

tearful again.

I have decided that it must be something I am giving her and

realised that she was having alot of apple, banana and tomato. I

have read so much on enzymes that I think when it came to the phenol

bit I must have skimmed a major chunk as I had no idea I shouldn't

be giving her these. I'm now going to try cutting them out for a

while, but wondered what your experience of No Fenol has been? Do

you think I should give more than one dose a day? Has anyone found

giving it on an empty stomach had better results than giving it with

the other enzymes? I just feel that the whole enzyme diet thing is

running away with me and my family are getting really annoyed with

me when I announce that there is yet more foods on the no list,

especially when they are such healthy foods.

Has anyone living in the Tamworth/West Midlands area used anyone for

testing for intolerance as I'm thinking that I just cann't do this

on my own, I've tried so hard only to find that even now I have been

happily feeding her all the wrong things.

Sorry to bombard you all with all these questions its a reflection

of my state of mind at the moment......confused!

Anyway I'd appreciate any thoughts you have

Kate

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What about yeast ??

Have you issued that ??

Geir Flatabø

catherinefar skrev:

>Hi,

>I could really do with some advice from anyone who is using the

>Houston enzymes. I started my 4 year old daughter on a GF/CF/ dairy

>free diet with AFP Peptizyde,zyme prime in a drink 3 x a day before

>each meal and No Fenol initially on an empty stomach in the

>afternoon and then moved to her pre breakfast drink as I was giving

>her rice milk for b/fast and I had read you should give NF with

>this.

>She has been on the diet for 2.5 months now and at first I saw

>really encouraging results. She became much calmer and stopped

>hitting her head. She even slept the odd night without melatonin.

>The best thing was she was such a happy child full of smiles. About

>a couple of weeks ago this has started to change and she now has

>started to become more hyper again, occas hitting her head...not as

>bad as before but she had stopped, she is also more miserable and

>tearful again.

>I have decided that it must be something I am giving her and

>realised that she was having alot of apple, banana and tomato. I

>have read so much on enzymes that I think when it came to the phenol

>bit I must have skimmed a major chunk as I had no idea I shouldn't

>be giving her these. I'm now going to try cutting them out for a

>while, but wondered what your experience of No Fenol has been? Do

>you think I should give more than one dose a day? Has anyone found

>giving it on an empty stomach had better results than giving it with

>the other enzymes? I just feel that the whole enzyme diet thing is

>running away with me and my family are getting really annoyed with

>me when I announce that there is yet more foods on the no list,

>especially when they are such healthy foods.

>Has anyone living in the Tamworth/West Midlands area used anyone for

>testing for intolerance as I'm thinking that I just cann't do this

>on my own, I've tried so hard only to find that even now I have been

>happily feeding her all the wrong things.

>Sorry to bombard you all with all these questions its a reflection

>of my state of mind at the moment......confused!

>

>Anyway I'd appreciate any thoughts you have

>

>Kate

>

>

>

>

>

>DISCLAIMER

>No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your replies. I treated yeast at the beginning with NF

on empty stomach followed 45 mins later by GSE once a day. My

daughter had really runny nappies after this and tummy ache, after 4

days I dropped the GSE and just did the NF which was fine. Only

reason I switched the NF to morning time with food was I am giving

her rice milk at this time and I read I should give her NF with

this. I had also read not to give too much NF and one dose a day

should be enough....cann't remember where I read this I've read so

much but am now thinking I should perhaps give with b/fast and then

again on empty stomach. Any thoughts..........?

>

>

> In a message dated 27/04/2006 20:18:27 GMT Daylight Time,

kate@...

> writes:

>

> She has been on the diet for 2.5 months now and at first I saw

> really encouraging results. She became much calmer and stopped

> hitting her head. She even slept the odd night without

melatonin.

> The best thing was she was such a happy child full of smiles.

About

> a couple of weeks ago this has started to change and she now has

> started to become more hyper again, occas hitting her head...not

as

> bad as before but she had stopped, she is also more miserable and

> tearful again.

>

>

>

> >>>I think she has gut bugs, which were probably being helped by

the NF int

> he afternoon and bugs got a hold when you switched it to the

morning. We had

> same with Sam when starting enzymes, they do help with the gut

bugs by

> reducing food matter int he bowel, especially NF given away from

meals.

>

> I have to go now will write more later - sick as a parrot can;t

think

> straight

>

> Mandi x

>

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> >

> >

> > In a message dated 27/04/2006 20:18:27 GMT Daylight Time,

> kate@

> > writes:

> >

> > She has been on the diet for 2.5 months now and at first I saw

> > really encouraging results. She became much calmer and stopped

> > hitting her head. She even slept the odd night without

> melatonin.

> > The best thing was she was such a happy child full of smiles.

> About

> > a couple of weeks ago this has started to change and she now

has

> > started to become more hyper again, occas hitting her

head...not

> as

> > bad as before but she had stopped, she is also more miserable

and

> > tearful again.

> >

> >

> >

> > >>>I think she has gut bugs, which were probably being helped

by

> the NF int

> > he afternoon and bugs got a hold when you switched it to the

> morning. We had

> > same with Sam when starting enzymes, they do help with the gut

> bugs by

> > reducing food matter int he bowel, especially NF given away from

> meals.

> >

> > I have to go now will write more later - sick as a parrot can;t

> think

> > straight

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

What sort of doseage of BioKult are you on and how much does your son weigh?

Congratulations on your son loosing his diagnosis.

Thanks Kay.

We then used Bio-Kult (HIGH Dose as

> recommended by MCB) and this resulted in dry at night for

> the first time ever - still dry to this day 1 year on. Adding Eye Q

> and a good Vit/Min later made even more gains.

> PS: Son no longer assessed as ADHD and life is a joy - just hope

> other achieve similar results from Bio-medical

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ?

>> >

>> >

>> > In a message dated 27/04/2006 20:18:27 GMT Daylight Time,

>> kate@

>> > writes:

>> >

>> > She has been on the diet for 2.5 months now and at first I saw

>> > really encouraging results. She became much calmer and stopped

>> > hitting her head. She even slept the odd night without

>> melatonin.

>> > The best thing was she was such a happy child full of smiles.

>> About

>> > a couple of weeks ago this has started to change and she now

> has

>> > started to become more hyper again, occas hitting her

> head...not

>> as

>> > bad as before but she had stopped, she is also more miserable

> and

>> > tearful again.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > >>>I think she has gut bugs, which were probably being helped

> by

>> the NF int

>> > he afternoon and bugs got a hold when you switched it to the

>> morning. We had

>> > same with Sam when starting enzymes, they do help with the gut

>> bugs by

>> > reducing food matter int he bowel, especially NF given away from

>> meals.

>> >

>> > I have to go now will write more later - sick as a parrot can;t

>> think

>> > straight

>> >

>> > Mandi x

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

> advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

> qualified practitioner.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

What sort of doseage of BioKult are you on and how much does your son weigh?

Congratulations on your son loosing his diagnosis.

Thanks Kay.

We then used Bio-Kult (HIGH Dose as

> recommended by MCB) and this resulted in dry at night for

> the first time ever - still dry to this day 1 year on. Adding Eye Q

> and a good Vit/Min later made even more gains.

> PS: Son no longer assessed as ADHD and life is a joy - just hope

> other achieve similar results from Bio-medical

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ?

>> >

>> >

>> > In a message dated 27/04/2006 20:18:27 GMT Daylight Time,

>> kate@

>> > writes:

>> >

>> > She has been on the diet for 2.5 months now and at first I saw

>> > really encouraging results. She became much calmer and stopped

>> > hitting her head. She even slept the odd night without

>> melatonin.

>> > The best thing was she was such a happy child full of smiles.

>> About

>> > a couple of weeks ago this has started to change and she now

> has

>> > started to become more hyper again, occas hitting her

> head...not

>> as

>> > bad as before but she had stopped, she is also more miserable

> and

>> > tearful again.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > >>>I think she has gut bugs, which were probably being helped

> by

>> the NF int

>> > he afternoon and bugs got a hold when you switched it to the

>> morning. We had

>> > same with Sam when starting enzymes, they do help with the gut

>> bugs by

>> > reducing food matter int he bowel, especially NF given away from

>> meals.

>> >

>> > I have to go now will write more later - sick as a parrot can;t

>> think

>> > straight

>> >

>> > Mandi x

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

> advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

> qualified practitioner.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Good to hear of such a positive experience. How much No Fenol did

you give with each snack/meal? I was also wondering how old your son

was at the time? Charlotte is 4 I wasn't sure if you should give

less if the child is younger??? I've been very wary of giving No

Fenol but have now raised the amount to twice a day, once with

breakfast and once on an empty stomach to fight yeast. Maybe I

should give it with each meal??? I was also wondering on dosage

guidance with the probiotic you use Bio Kult? Charlotte is 4 years

old and weighs 30lbs. Thanks again for your advise it has been very

useful.

Kate

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 27/04/2006 20:18:27 GMT Daylight Time,

> > kate@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > She has been on the diet for 2.5 months now and at first I

saw

> > > really encouraging results. She became much calmer and

stopped

> > > hitting her head. She even slept the odd night without

> > melatonin.

> > > The best thing was she was such a happy child full of

smiles.

> > About

> > > a couple of weeks ago this has started to change and she now

> has

> > > started to become more hyper again, occas hitting her

> head...not

> > as

> > > bad as before but she had stopped, she is also more miserable

> and

> > > tearful again.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >>>I think she has gut bugs, which were probably being helped

> by

> > the NF int

> > > he afternoon and bugs got a hold when you switched it to the

> > morning. We had

> > > same with Sam when starting enzymes, they do help with the gut

> > bugs by

> > > reducing food matter int he bowel, especially NF given away

from

> > meals.

> > >

> > > I have to go now will write more later - sick as a parrot

can;t

> > think

> > > straight

> > >

> > > Mandi x

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> Good to hear of such a positive experience. How much No Fenol did

> you give with each snack/meal?

We used powder in apple juice drunk with straw and gave equivalent

to 1 capsule of NF with each meal or snack on the basis that some

would be working on the food he was eating and some on the Yeast. We

now use chewables.

I was also wondering how old your son

> was at the time? Charlotte is 4 I wasn't sure if you should give

> less if the child is younger???

Henry was 4.5 yrs when we started and I understand that quantity of

enzyme required relates to quantity of food eaten rather than

age/weight of individual. The group is a

great place for information and advice.

I've been very wary of giving No

> Fenol but have now raised the amount to twice a day, once with

> breakfast and once on an empty stomach to fight yeast. Maybe I

> should give it with each meal??? I was also wondering on dosage

> guidance with the probiotic you use Bio Kult?

The advice with Houston enzymes seems to be low and slow to minimise

any die-off or withdrawal reactions so we started slowly and built

up over a month for NF - we also only ever changed one thing at a

time so that we could monitor reactions/changes and also kept a

detailed diary of food and bahaviour.We were advised by Natasha

McBride to SLOWLY build up to six capsules of Bio-Kult per

day (3 after Bfast, 3 after tea) stay at that for 6 months then

start to reduce down slowly.

Hope this helps

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks that helps!

> >

> > >

> > Good to hear of such a positive experience. How much No Fenol

did

> > you give with each snack/meal?

>

> We used powder in apple juice drunk with straw and gave equivalent

> to 1 capsule of NF with each meal or snack on the basis that some

> would be working on the food he was eating and some on the Yeast.

We

> now use chewables.

>

>

>

> I was also wondering how old your son

> > was at the time? Charlotte is 4 I wasn't sure if you should give

> > less if the child is younger???

>

> Henry was 4.5 yrs when we started and I understand that quantity

of

> enzyme required relates to quantity of food eaten rather than

> age/weight of individual. The group is a

> great place for information and advice.

>

>

> I've been very wary of giving No

> > Fenol but have now raised the amount to twice a day, once with

> > breakfast and once on an empty stomach to fight yeast. Maybe I

> > should give it with each meal??? I was also wondering on dosage

> > guidance with the probiotic you use Bio Kult?

>

> The advice with Houston enzymes seems to be low and slow to

minimise

> any die-off or withdrawal reactions so we started slowly and built

> up over a month for NF - we also only ever changed one thing at a

> time so that we could monitor reactions/changes and also kept a

> detailed diary of food and bahaviour.We were advised by Natasha

> McBride to SLOWLY build up to six capsules of Bio-Kult

per

> day (3 after Bfast, 3 after tea) stay at that for 6 months then

> start to reduce down slowly.

>

> Hope this helps

>

> >

>