Re: Are there things that triger PA

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I would consider a trial of spiro as a better next step. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 23, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Francis Bill <georgewbill@...> wrote:

No I haven't been tried on spiro and my VA doctor isn't very likey to give it to me. My K is about 3.7 has been 3.2. My BP is lower then it was still it is the 145/80 range.

Since from my postings like the meds I on and how they worked or not worked. Also by the tests I have had done you seem to think I have PA. I would guess the only way to know for sure is to be retested off the meds knowing my salt intake and my real k at the time of testing. something I can't seem to get done.

I am unable to function at a normal level I am lightheaded all the time. I have been told by my doctor that I just have to live with it. He has done all the testing he is going to do. I sometimes feel that the VA has some kind of limit on how much they spend on some one.

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> > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA. Advocate

> > for

> > > yourself!

> > >

> > > Val

> > >

> > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis

> > Bill

> > >

> > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I have had

> > most of the

> > > heart related tests.

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Dr Grim you said something about wanting to do something in the VA.

Of coures they would be glad to have you provide this servive for free. There

maybe something you could do that would help both the Veteran and get paid for

your services as well.

When someone applies for a service connected disability one of the things that

has to be done is the recorded has to be looked at by a doctor that is an expert

in that area.

VA doctors can't be sued for malpractice. The VA does come under the service

connected disability laws. It one feels that there teatment by the VA causes

them to be disabled they can apply for a service connected disability. I have

done this but after 3 years am told the VA has done nonthing wrong.

Since I didn't have my records looked at by a non VA doctor I feel this is the

reason I was turned downed.

If this is something that you would want to do get your information out there.

Post it at all the VFWS and other places Veterans clubs. Also let the State

Department of Veterans Services know you are doing this.

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> > > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA. Advocate

> > > for

> > > > yourself!

> > > >

> > > > Val

> > > >

> > > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis

> > > Bill

> > > >

> > > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I have had

> > > most of the

> > > > heart related tests.

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[Guest guest]

This is why so many are against health care reform. I can understand limiting

how much is spent an many cases. Being on life support being one of them. Once

there is no hope then let things happen in the normal way. But to not try to

find a cauese as to why someone is not able to fuction at normal levels should

not be one of them. Every Sx I have is listed as cause unknow.

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> > From: Francis Bill <georgewbill@...>

> > > do. I sometimes feel that the VA has some kind of limit on

> > how much they spend on some one.   

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If I only could get my Doctor to agree. Since he was past chief of staff not

likey that others at this VA would do things much different.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA.

> > Advocate

> > > > for

> > > > > yourself!

> > > > >

> > > > > Val

> > > > >

> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis

> > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I have had

> > > > most of the

> > > > > heart related tests.

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I would think that would be a reason to be for health care reform.

> From: Francis Bill <georgewbill@...>

> Subject: Re: Are there things that triger PA

> hyperaldosteronism

> Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 11:40 AM

> This is why so many are against

> health care reform. I can understand limiting how much is

> spent an many cases. Being on life support being one of

> them. Once there is no hope then let things happen in the

> normal way. But to not try to find a cauese as to why

> someone is not able to fuction at normal levels should not

> be one of them. Every Sx I have is listed as cause

> unknow. 

>

>

> >

> > > From: Francis Bill <georgewbill@...>

> > > > do. I sometimes feel that the VA has some

> kind of limit on

> > > how much they spend on some one.   

> > >

> >

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Maybe I could write a referral letter to him suggesting a trial. I would need your complete and up to date story -maybe in our files?Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 23, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Francis Bill <georgewbill@...> wrote:

If I only could get my Doctor to agree. Since he was past chief of staff not likey that others at this VA would do things much different.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA.

> > Advocate

> > > > for

> > > > > yourself!

> > > > >

> > > > > Val

> > > > >

> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis

> > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I have had

> > > > most of the

> > > > > heart related tests.

> > > > >

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As one who worked in the VA I can asSure u cost is not a very big worry of the drs. Indeed that is one of the good things about working there. You can order almost anything u want. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 23, 2009, at 9:35 AM, Francis Bill <georgewbill@...> wrote:

Dr Grim you said something about wanting to do something in the VA.

Of coures they would be glad to have you provide this servive for free. There maybe something you could do that would help both the Veteran and get paid for your services as well.

When someone applies for a service connected disability one of the things that has to be done is the recorded has to be looked at by a doctor that is an expert in that area.

VA doctors can't be sued for malpractice. The VA does come under the service connected disability laws. It one feels that there teatment by the VA causes them to be disabled they can apply for a service connected disability. I have done this but after 3 years am told the VA has done nonthing wrong.

Since I didn't have my records looked at by a non VA doctor I feel this is the reason I was turned downed.

If this is something that you would want to do get your information out there. Post it at all the VFWS and other places Veterans clubs. Also let the State Department of Veterans Services know you are doing this.

> > > >

> > > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA. Advocate

> > > for

> > > > yourself!

> > > >

> > > > Val

> > > >

> > > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis

> > > Bill

> > > >

> > > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I have had

> > > most of the

> > > > heart related tests.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

There is no question we need to change our current health care system. It would

be better for the changes to come from the health care system and have as little

as possible be controlled be the government.

We could start with doctor peer groups. This is long over due. Doctors know the

health care system best. Good doctor should be able to set standards for good

health care and be able to remove doctors that don't follow good standards.

Does it really cost $20000 to remove someones appendix? I know Doctors and other

health care providers really don't get paid as well as they should. So where

does the money go from that $20000?

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> > > > From: Francis Bill <georgewbill@>

> > > > > do. I sometimes feel that the VA has some

> > kind of limit on

> > > > how much they spend on some one.   

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Then medicate and monitor yourself. You don't have to be a victim.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill

If I only could get my Doctor to agree. Since he was past

chief of staff not likey that others at this VA would do things much different.

>

> I would consider a trial of spiro as

> a better next step.

[Guest guest]

It may be when you worked for VA cost was very little concern. I think before

2005 this was the case. From others I have talked to something changed in 2005.

I belive this is when the VA became over loaded with Iraq Vets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA.

> > Advocate

> > > > > for

> > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Val

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of

> > Francis

> > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I have

> > had

> > > > > most of the

> > > > > > heart related tests.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

It may be when you worked for VA cost was very little concern. I think before

2005 this was the case. From others I have talked to something changed in 2005.

I belive this is when the VA became over loaded with Iraq Vets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA.

> > Advocate

> > > > > for

> > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Val

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of

> > Francis

> > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I have

> > had

> > > > > most of the

> > > > > > heart related tests.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Since I have over 500 pages if information in my records It would take some time

to put this information on here. I have scanned my record and have the in

searchable PDF files. They also have my SSN on every page. Have tried to copy

paste parts on records to word or notepad much information gets lost of format

changes in doing this.

I can put pdf files on windows live and provide you link to them. At this time

until I can find a way to edit out my SSN I wouldn't want to post them here.

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> > > > > > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA.

> > > > Advocate

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Val

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > > > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of

> > Francis

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I

> > have had

> > > > > > most of the

> > > > > > > heart related tests.

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Since I have over 500 pages if information in my records It would take some time

to put this information on here. I have scanned my record and have the in

searchable PDF files. They also have my SSN on every page. Have tried to copy

paste parts on records to word or notepad much information gets lost of format

changes in doing this.

I can put pdf files on windows live and provide you link to them. At this time

until I can find a way to edit out my SSN I wouldn't want to post them here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why don't you request it? Stop being a victim of the VA.

> > > > Advocate

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Val

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > > > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of

> > Francis

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have never been seen by a cardiologist. Even though I

> > have had

> > > > > > most of the

> > > > > > > heart related tests.

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

600 mg a day is not a load added to what else you had.CE Grim MDOn Nov 21, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Francis Bill wrote:The family reunion got me thinking. Every year we have one the first weekend of Aug. In 2005 this would have been Aug 6 and 7. It was Aug 1 that I got the burn then the reunion. I also started a new job about this time puting up staging very hot and a lot of labor on this job. drank a lot of Gatorade at least 32 oz a day and I think it was more then this this would have been at least 600 mg of salt a day. On Aug 20 my Sx started. My B/P on Aug 1 was 175/83 HR was 105 > > > >> > > > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I > > > have> > > > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA> > > > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small> > > > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them > > > to> > > > > being possable PA.> > > > >> > > > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I > > > haven't> > > > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn > > > does> > > > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot > > > antifreeze. I> > > > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.> > > > >> > > > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather > > > doing a> > > > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the> > > > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.> > > > >> > > > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no > > > longer> > > > > able to overcome the PA.> > > > >> > > > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of> > > > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this > > > happened.> > > > >> > > > > That is if I have PA.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >>

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I am not sure what size bottle I was buying at the time. I do know it was more

then 12 oz so I think it was the 20 oz bottle could have been the 24 oz bottle.

I would drink at least 3 of them a day. and sometime 4. I also drank a lot of

water. With 110 mg of sodium in 8 oz this would seem like a lot of sodium.

The temperature durning this time was mid 80's to mid 90's with high humidity.

I do think I was haveing Sx before this just not bad enough to stop me form

doing normal things.

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> > > > > > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some

> > things I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I

> > understand PA

> > > > > > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the

> > years small

> > > > > > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can

> > relate them

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > being possable PA.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I

> > > > > haven't

> > > > > > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a

> > burn

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot

> > > > > antifreeze. I

> > > > > > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather

> > > > > doing a

> > > > > > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the

> > > > > > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was

> > no

> > > > > longer

> > > > > > > able to overcome the PA.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that

> > some of

> > > > > > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this

> > > > > happened.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is if I have PA.

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