Re: Are there things that triger PA

November 20, 2009

I am not sure what you mean that you could no longer overcome the PA. Low K is a sign of advanced PA.We do not know what triggers PA. On Nov 20, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Francis Bill wrote:Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I have read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them to being possable PA. One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I haven't see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn does something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot antifreeze. I had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size. About this same time I was also working in very hot weather doing a lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the lightness shortness of breath and fatigue. What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no longer able to overcome the PA. Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of the SX were making them self know a few months before this happened.That is if I have PA.

November 21, 2009

Will try this. If one is feeling good and doesn't go to Doctor much. Maybe

doesn't know what BP is. Has a few days at at time that you are a bit tired but

not enough to stop you from doing normal things.

Then you even get a sunburn or some other kind of burn. Based on what I am

reading burns can change your K. Then you loose K from sweat. You have the tumor

but at this time you don't know it. So maybe tumor is making aldo.

Before K changes your K was still high enough to keep you functioning at normal

levels. Then k drops and maybe still in normal range just not high enough to

overcome effects of aldo.

When I first starting having SX I thought it was from possible antifreeze

poisoning. I think at this time I can ruel this out alto can't be 100% sure.

Since SX and the tumor seen to be related to PA this seen to be a more likey

cause. Also from my postings you seem to think it is PA as well.

What I am trying to find out is why SX came on so quickly. Did something trigger

them? I would suspect if the tumor was making aldo it was doing so for some time

as it is about 2 cm in size.

>

> > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I have

> > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA

> > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small

> > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them to

> > being possable PA.

> >

> > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I haven't

> > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn does

> > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot antifreeze. I

> > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.

> >

> > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather doing a

> > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the

> > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.

> >

> > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no longer

> > able to overcome the PA.

> >

> > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of

> > the SX were making them self know a few months before this happened.

> >

> > That is if I have PA.

> >

>

November 21, 2009

About this same time I had an EKG that shows Nonspecific ST abnormality and

Sinus tachycardia 110bpm. as a result of this EKG I was put on atenolol. K was

done about month before and was 4.1 and K was 4.3 a month and 1/2 later. Other

EKGs have showed Nonspecific T wave abnormality as well. Have been told EKGS

aren't really a concern.

> >

> > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I have

> > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA

> > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small

> > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them to

> > > being possable PA.

> > >

> > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I haven't

> > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn does

> > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot antifreeze. I

> > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.

> > >

> > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather doing a

> > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the

> > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.

> > >

> > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no longer

> > > able to overcome the PA.

> > >

> > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of

> > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this happened.

> > >

> > > That is if I have PA.

> > >

> >

>

November 21, 2009

How about drinking a lot of Gatorade?

> > >

> > > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I

> > have

> > > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA

> > > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small

> > > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them

> > to

> > > > being possable PA.

> > > >

> > > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I

> > haven't

> > > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn

> > does

> > > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot

> > antifreeze. I

> > > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.

> > > >

> > > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather

> > doing a

> > > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the

> > > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.

> > > >

> > > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no

> > longer

> > > > able to overcome the PA.

> > > >

> > > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of

> > > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this

> > happened.

> > > >

> > > > That is if I have PA.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 21, 2009

This is the report of the burn in my record. It was the day after I burned

myself that I went to the VA as the burn turned out to be worse then I thought.

58 year old man presents to clinic with antifreeze caused burns on his abdomen.

man nad >50 anterior abd with burn, erythema with several large bullae

labs updated, noteable for rbs <10 alp 20 burn with elevated wbc/grans. treat

for cel1ulitus with keflex 500tiditd

> > >

> > > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I

> > have

> > > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA

> > > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small

> > > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them

> > to

> > > > being possable PA.

> > > >

> > > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I

> > haven't

> > > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn

> > does

> > > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot

> > antifreeze. I

> > > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.

> > > >

> > > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather

> > doing a

> > > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the

> > > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.

> > > >

> > > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no

> > longer

> > > > able to overcome the PA.

> > > >

> > > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of

> > > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this

> > happened.

> > > >

> > > > That is if I have PA.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 21, 2009

The family reunion got me thinking. Every year we have one the first weekend of

Aug. In 2005 this would have been Aug 6 and 7. It was Aug 1 that I got the burn

then the reunion. I also started a new job about this time puting up staging

very hot and a lot of labor on this job. drank a lot of Gatorade at least 32 oz

a day and I think it was more then this this would have been at least 600 mg of

salt a day. On Aug 20 my Sx started.

My B/P on Aug 1 was 175/83 HR was 105

> > > >

> > > > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I

> > > have

> > > > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA

> > > > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small

> > > > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them

> > > to

> > > > > being possable PA.

> > > > >

> > > > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I

> > > haven't

> > > > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn

> > > does

> > > > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot

> > > antifreeze. I

> > > > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.

> > > > >

> > > > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather

> > > doing a

> > > > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the

> > > > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no

> > > longer

> > > > > able to overcome the PA.

> > > > >

> > > > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of

> > > > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this

> > > happened.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is if I have PA.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 21, 2009

Right no reason to repeat EKG unless chest pains.On Nov 21, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Francis Bill wrote:About this same time I had an EKG that shows Nonspecific ST abnormality and Sinus tachycardia 110bpm. as a result of this EKG I was put on atenolol. K was done about month before and was 4.1 and K was 4.3 a month and 1/2 later. Other EKGs have showed Nonspecific T wave abnormality as well. Have been told EKGS aren't really a concern. > > > > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I have > > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA > > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small > > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them to > > > being possable PA.> > >> > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I haven't > > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn does > > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot antifreeze. I > > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.> > >> > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather doing a > > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the > > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.> > >> > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no longer > > > able to overcome the PA.> > >> > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of > > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this happened.> > >> > > That is if I have PA.> > >> > >> > >> >>

November 21, 2009

Not too much salt in that as I recall.Depends on what a lot is. 6 quarts might be a lot a day.On Nov 21, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Francis Bill wrote:How about drinking a lot of Gatorade?> > >> > > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I > > have> > > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA> > > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small> > > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them > > to> > > > being possable PA.> > > >> > > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I > > haven't> > > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn > > does> > > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot > > antifreeze. I> > > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.> > > >> > > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather > > doing a> > > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the> > > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.> > > >> > > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no > > longer> > > > able to overcome the PA.> > > >> > > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of> > > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this > > happened.> > > >> > > > That is if I have PA.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

November 21, 2009

Prob not enough to lose K.CE GrimMDOn Nov 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Francis Bill wrote:This is the report of the burn in my record. It was the day after I burned myself that I went to the VA as the burn turned out to be worse then I thought. 58 year old man presents to clinic with antifreeze caused burns on his abdomen. man nad >50 anterior abd with burn, erythema with several large bullaelabs updated, noteable for rbs <10 alp 20 burn with elevated wbc/grans. treat for cel1ulitus with keflex 500tiditd > > >> > > > Since I have been doing a lot of reading about PA some things I > > have> > > > read tell about things that can trigger it. Now I understand PA> > > > isn't something that just happens and I think over the years small> > > > things happen that once you understand PA SX you can relate them > > to> > > > being possable PA.> > > >> > > > One of the things I have see as a trigger is a burn. What I > > haven't> > > > see as how bad a burn it takes to do this. It seems that a burn > > does> > > > something to blood K. In my case I got burned with hot > > antifreeze. I> > > > had a 2nd deg burn about 6 x 8 in. in size.> > > >> > > > About this same time I was also working in very hot weather > > doing a> > > > lot of sweating. It wsa at this time I starting haveing the> > > > lightness shortness of breath and fatigue.> > > >> > > > What I belive is that my K get low enough so my system was no > > longer> > > > able to overcome the PA.> > > >> > > > Does this happen from low K? I do belive looking back that some of> > > > the SX were making them self know a few months before this > > happened.> > > >> > > > That is if I have PA.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

November 21, 2009

1 qt of Gatorade has 110 mg Na and 30 mg K

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Not too much salt in that as I recall.

Depends

on what a lot is. 6 quarts might be a lot a day.

On

Nov 21, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Francis Bill wrote:

How about drinking a lot of Gatorade?

>

> Most likely trigger is a salt load family reunion eating out BBKQKETC.

>

November 22, 2009

<P>Non-specific changes are very common and are just what they sound like,

non-specific. & nbsp; They usually mean nothing. & nbsp; I had non-specific changes

on my first EKG at 37 years of age and 21 years later I still & nbsp;have the same

non-specific changes. & nbsp; They are not & nbsp; something I'd worry about.</P>

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result of this EKG I was put on atenolol. K was done about month before and was

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November 22, 2009

What I read about low K and EKG's is that non specific ST and T can be due to

low K. Since it seem that improper blood draw for K can make test show higer K

can ST and T be a better indication your K may be low.

Problem with EKG's is you can have intermittent problems that don't show up if

only a few are done. It also takes someone with some skill to read them. I know

I don't have this skill. I also belive that today much of interpretation is done

by computer. Computer doesn't always see small changes that skilled doctor see.

I is the EKG that was done on me that seem to have showed more that just small

problem. While a stress test was done after this that I was told didn't show any

thing. The technician doing the test saw something was going on with me that was

a concern to her. What she said to me was I didn't look very good after the

stress test.

This is the the report of the last EKG Normal sinus Leftward axis

Incomplete right bundle branch block Left ventricular hypertrophy

Nonspecific ST and T wave abnormality. My K was 3.7. This EKG was done because

of shortness of breath.

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November 22, 2009