Re: new here and just had testing

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hmm, any other opinions?

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2@... writes:

It is rare to get low K from not eating enough. The body defends against low K very well. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:20 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I have had lip tingling since July, because it was when I came off of my anti-depressent Effexor XR. So I chocked it up to that. I also had brain chugs.

What other reasons would cause Low Potassium other then Thiazides(only 3 weeks) and PA? I can say that I have/had a VERY poor diet, and seriously never ate ANYTHING with Potassium in it very much. The only thing I would ever eat would be a baked potato but that was very rare because I was doing a low carb diet/weight watchers for a while. Stayed away from starches. Ate mainly chicken and rice, or steak and corn, maybe have a whole wheat english muffin and eggs.And salads. When going out to eat I would have Steak or fish. Maybe steamed broccoli.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Tingling of lips goes along with low K but don't recAll many here having that Sx or if it got better with K getting better?

Should we add to Sx list in our questionnaire?

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I don't know, but only time will tell. But I can tell you that I have not had any brain chugs, or tingling lips all day. I was attributing this to my withdrawal from Effexor XR back at the end of July. But if diuretic is still in system and BP creeps up, then I know I need diuretic to keep under control.

Hoping not PA, but bloodwork will tell for sure.

I am sort of DASHing, I fall off the wagon sometimes. I do not use table salt any longer, and never touch junk food.

My downfall is sugar :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:37:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Suggests u do not have PA OR DIuretic effects still present.

Or r u DASHING AS WELL?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

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Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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Suggests u do not have PA OR DIuretic effects still present. Or r u DASHING AS WELL?Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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Chart it up to biological variation. Were u fasting sometimes or did time of daydiffer?Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 4:10 PM, pscs@... wrote:

Well, they do say that your labs can very from day to day, so I don't know. It was not a concern to the ER docs when they tested me and gave me the results, nor to my own Dr even though she retested me. I was on HCTZ which can raise calcium levels, but when I was retested I was still on HCTZ. But that was the first and only time my Ca levels were raised.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:56:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Either lab error or mixup. Sounds like to me. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 9:01 AM, pscs@... wrote:

My calcium is now normal. 9.6. So I am good in that dept. But I had bloodwork run on Friday as well for thyroid.

Not sure why it showed high on Tuesday(11.2), but all is normal now.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 10:50:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes:

Hi calcium can be indicative of hyperparathyroidism. You need calcium and parathyroid hormone tested out of the same blood draw. I've had a parathyroid adenoma removed and also have PA. I don't think they're related.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of pscs@...

Would having a high Calcium count(11.2) norm range 8.0-10.6 have anything to do with PA? Or, would it have anything to do with the 12.5 mg of HCTZ I was on? Dr. thinks I need to drink more water. Dehydrated cause calcium increase? FTR, I had chest X-Ray, neg for lung cancers, mammogram, negative for breast cancers, and I am only 42. And GFR Blood test normal for Kidney function.

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Well it was either dirty or u have a bad UTI. would have been best to ask u first if u had sx or menses. From now on always do at least mid stream catch. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 4:06 PM, pscs@... wrote:

Because it showed blood in my urine and that was a concern to them. They did not ask if I had my period or not. Plus, it was not a clean catch sample. It was therefore, full of bacteria. Again, the Dr on call stated that it was a "dirty" sample and he would have been treating me for a UTI not knowing what I just said to him. They are repeating the urinalysis when I am done menstruating.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:52:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

I am not sure what the Are testing that menstruation would change much. At least to do with the RAAS

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:17 AM, pscs@... wrote:

Well, I had my period (the end)so they cannot repeat anything until I am done with that

She just called me and told me the rest if my bloodwork should be back on Monday.

She thinks calcium was high because I may have not had enough to drink that day.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 12:56:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes:

That is good. Over time, high calcium is awful! Regarding your urine test, I believe it should be a 24-hour urine and include catecholamines, aldosterone, sodium, cortisol, etc? I'm not sure what she's doing with a simple sample.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of pscs@...

My calcium is now normal. 9.6. So I am good in that dept. But I had bloodwork run on Friday as well for thyroid.

Not sure why it showed high on Tuesday(11.2), but all is normal now.

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Not trying to scare Ca++ stands for calcium ion in med lingo. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 4:02 PM, pscs@... wrote:

This was the first time it has ever been high. All my other bloodwork for Ca++ has been normal. And the number they got this time, was just about the same as the other number they got in 2008(9.6 which is normal).

What would be your explanation then? Keep in mind, had thyroid tested. Waiting on those results on Monday. I have no signs of Cancer that I am aware of, (A;ready had mammo and chest Xray)so if you are trying to scare me you are doing a good job of it :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:21:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

That is not a good explantion for a high Ca++

is this the first time it was high?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:17 AM, pscs@... wrote:

Well, I had my period (the end)so they cannot repeat anything until I am done with that

She just called me and told me the rest if my bloodwork should be back on Monday.

She thinks calcium was high because I may have not had enough to drink that day.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 12:56:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes:

That is good. Over time, high calcium is awful! Regarding your urine test, I believe it should be a 24-hour urine and include catecholamines, aldosterone, sodium, cortisol, etc? I'm not sure what she's doing with a simple sample.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of pscs@...

My calcium is now normal. 9.6. So I am good in that dept. But I had bloodwork run on Friday as well for thyroid.

Not sure why it showed high on Tuesday(11.2), but all is normal now.

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Tingling of lips goes along with low K but don't recAll many here having that Sx or if it got better with K getting better?Should we add to Sx list in our questionnaire?Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I don't know, but only time will tell. But I can tell you that I have not had any brain chugs, or tingling lips all day. I was attributing this to my withdrawal from Effexor XR back at the end of July. But if diuretic is still in system and BP creeps up, then I know I need diuretic to keep under control.

Hoping not PA, but bloodwork will tell for sure.

I am sort of DASHing, I fall off the wagon sometimes. I do not use table salt any longer, and never touch junk food.

My downfall is sugar :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:37:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Suggests u do not have PA OR DIuretic effects still present.

Or r u DASHING AS WELL?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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That seems like a very small dose. May have decimal in wrong plAce I suspect. Starting dose here would be 5 mg so suspect u are getting 0.05 grams not mgs. These are the units errors that can kill people. Look at label again. Or Maybe they talk in stones or pebbles there;-)Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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hmm, I did read your article, but none of that has happened to me. So I have to assume it is the Thiazide. Unless I really do have PA. My BP is still good. 129/82.

In a message dated 11/15/2009 12:47:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2@... writes:

Vomiting diarrhea sweating eating licorice and read my article.

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:57 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, any other opinions?

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

It is rare to get low K from not eating enough. The body defends against low K very well. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:20 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I have had lip tingling since July, because it was when I came off of my anti-depressent Effexor XR. So I chocked it up to that. I also had brain chugs.

What other reasons would cause Low Potassium other then Thiazides(only 3 weeks) and PA? I can say that I have/had a VERY poor diet, and seriously never ate ANYTHING with Potassium in it very much. The only thing I would ever eat would be a baked potato but that was very rare because I was doing a low carb diet/weight watchers for a while. Stayed away from starches. Ate mainly chicken and rice, or steak and corn, maybe have a whole wheat english muffin and eggs.And salads. When going out to eat I would have Steak or fish. Maybe steamed broccoli.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Tingling of lips goes along with low K but don't recAll many here having that Sx or if it got better with K getting better?

Should we add to Sx list in our questionnaire?

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I don't know, but only time will tell. But I can tell you that I have not had any brain chugs, or tingling lips all day. I was attributing this to my withdrawal from Effexor XR back at the end of July. But if diuretic is still in system and BP creeps up, then I know I need diuretic to keep under control.

Hoping not PA, but bloodwork will tell for sure.

I am sort of DASHing, I fall off the wagon sometimes. I do not use table salt any longer, and never touch junk food.

My downfall is sugar :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:37:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Suggests u do not have PA OR DIuretic effects still present.

Or r u DASHING AS WELL?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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No, this is not the same thing. Dr is not sure what it could be from. Could be from HBP, or low Potassium, or long term effects from Effexor Withdrawal in July and Wellbutrin withdrawal in October. If you google "withdrawal side effects from Effexor and or/Wellbutrin" Effexor is a nasty SSNRI to come off of. So I have no idea.

In a message dated 11/15/2009 12:49:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2@... writes:

Some on our site refer to brain fogs. If u read our files u will see what they mean.

U say u hear a noise when Loki g to one side no one has mentioned that as PA associated. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:40 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, like brain zaps. Very common when withdrawing from and SSNRI or SSRI. Effexor is infamous for this when coming off of it. It is like... if I look to the left or right with my eyes, it feels like the noise of a "chug". in my head. I never had this until going off of my Effexor. But have not had any today. If I did, I have not noticed. I usually get them in the mornings. Any particular reason for asking?

My problem is that I do to much reading, and to much reading into these things. I like to be educated, but sometimes education can be scary from what you read on the internet. :-)

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:34:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Please describe what u mean by brain chugTiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:23 PM, pscs@... wrote:

yes, my bad. I stink at Math..LOL. It is 5 mg. Sorry....I need to go back to elementary math again. HA HA..

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

That seems like a very small dose.

May have decimal in wrong plAce I suspect. Starting dose here would be 5 mg so suspect u are getting 0.05 grams not mgs. These are the units errors that can kill people.

Look at label again.

Or

Maybe they talk in stones or pebbles there;-)

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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Please describe what u mean by brain chugTiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 5:23 PM, pscs@... wrote:

yes, my bad. I stink at Math..LOL. It is 5 mg. Sorry....I need to go back to elementary math again. HA HA..

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

That seems like a very small dose.

May have decimal in wrong plAce I suspect. Starting dose here would be 5 mg so suspect u are getting 0.05 grams not mgs. These are the units errors that can kill people.

Look at label again.

Or

Maybe they talk in stones or pebbles there;-)

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

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Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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It is rare to get low K from not eating enough. The body defends against low K very well. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 5:20 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I have had lip tingling since July, because it was when I came off of my anti-depressent Effexor XR. So I chocked it up to that. I also had brain chugs.

What other reasons would cause Low Potassium other then Thiazides(only 3 weeks) and PA? I can say that I have/had a VERY poor diet, and seriously never ate ANYTHING with Potassium in it very much. The only thing I would ever eat would be a baked potato but that was very rare because I was doing a low carb diet/weight watchers for a while. Stayed away from starches. Ate mainly chicken and rice, or steak and corn, maybe have a whole wheat english muffin and eggs.And salads. When going out to eat I would have Steak or fish. Maybe steamed broccoli.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Tingling of lips goes along with low K but don't recAll many here having that Sx or if it got better with K getting better?

Should we add to Sx list in our questionnaire?

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I don't know, but only time will tell. But I can tell you that I have not had any brain chugs, or tingling lips all day. I was attributing this to my withdrawal from Effexor XR back at the end of July. But if diuretic is still in system and BP creeps up, then I know I need diuretic to keep under control.

Hoping not PA, but bloodwork will tell for sure.

I am sort of DASHing, I fall off the wagon sometimes. I do not use table salt any longer, and never touch junk food.

My downfall is sugar :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:37:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Suggests u do not have PA OR DIuretic effects still present.

Or r u DASHING AS WELL?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

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May your pressure be low!

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On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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Vomiting diarrhea sweating eating licorice and read my article. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 7:57 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, any other opinions?

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

It is rare to get low K from not eating enough. The body defends against low K very well. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

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Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:20 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I have had lip tingling since July, because it was when I came off of my anti-depressent Effexor XR. So I chocked it up to that. I also had brain chugs.

What other reasons would cause Low Potassium other then Thiazides(only 3 weeks) and PA? I can say that I have/had a VERY poor diet, and seriously never ate ANYTHING with Potassium in it very much. The only thing I would ever eat would be a baked potato but that was very rare because I was doing a low carb diet/weight watchers for a while. Stayed away from starches. Ate mainly chicken and rice, or steak and corn, maybe have a whole wheat english muffin and eggs.And salads. When going out to eat I would have Steak or fish. Maybe steamed broccoli.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Tingling of lips goes along with low K but don't recAll many here having that Sx or if it got better with K getting better?

Should we add to Sx list in our questionnaire?

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

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Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I don't know, but only time will tell. But I can tell you that I have not had any brain chugs, or tingling lips all day. I was attributing this to my withdrawal from Effexor XR back at the end of July. But if diuretic is still in system and BP creeps up, then I know I need diuretic to keep under control.

Hoping not PA, but bloodwork will tell for sure.

I am sort of DASHing, I fall off the wagon sometimes. I do not use table salt any longer, and never touch junk food.

My downfall is sugar :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:37:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Suggests u do not have PA OR DIuretic effects still present.

Or r u DASHING AS WELL?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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Some on our site refer to brain fogs. If u read our files u will see what they mean. U say u hear a noise when Loki g to one side no one has mentioned that as PA associated. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 7:40 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, like brain zaps. Very common when withdrawing from and SSNRI or SSRI. Effexor is infamous for this when coming off of it. It is like... if I look to the left or right with my eyes, it feels like the noise of a "chug". in my head. I never had this until going off of my Effexor. But have not had any today. If I did, I have not noticed. I usually get them in the mornings. Any particular reason for asking?

My problem is that I do to much reading, and to much reading into these things. I like to be educated, but sometimes education can be scary from what you read on the internet. :-)

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:34:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Please describe what u mean by brain chugTiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:23 PM, pscs@... wrote:

yes, my bad. I stink at Math..LOL. It is 5 mg. Sorry....I need to go back to elementary math again. HA HA..

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

That seems like a very small dose.

May have decimal in wrong plAce I suspect. Starting dose here would be 5 mg so suspect u are getting 0.05 grams not mgs. These are the units errors that can kill people.

Look at label again.

Or

Maybe they talk in stones or pebbles there;-)

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Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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Was tine of day And fasting state exactly the same. Many blood tests are higher if drawn 2 hrs after getting out of bed vs before gettingOut of bed. This is because when one stands fluid (water and water soluble itmes) moves from out of the blood vessl container into the interstitial space and amalytes that ate high molecular weight stay in the remaining blood vessel volume. Therefore their concentration rises. Albumin and cholesterolsAreExamples Same thing happens when aTourniquet is placed on the arm anand the arm isPumped. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 4:52 PM, pscs@... wrote:

Yes, I know that Ca++ stand for Calcium but you were scaring me that my normal level is not really true, or that my high level before should be of a great concern to my Dr. Afraid of cancer. but level is now good.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Not trying to scare Ca++ stands for calcium ion in med lingo. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:02 PM, pscs@... wrote:

This was the first time it has ever been high. All my other bloodwork for Ca++ has been normal. And the number they got this time, was just about the same as the other number they got in 2008(9.6 which is normal).

What would be your explanation then? Keep in mind, had thyroid tested. Waiting on those results on Monday. I have no signs of Cancer that I am aware of, (A;ready had mammo and chest Xray)so if you are trying to scare me you are doing a good job of it :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:21:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

That is not a good explantion for a high Ca++

is this the first time it was high?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:17 AM, pscs@... wrote:

Well, I had my period (the end)so they cannot repeat anything until I am done with that

She just called me and told me the rest if my bloodwork should be back on Monday.

She thinks calcium was high because I may have not had enough to drink that day.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 12:56:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes:

That is good. Over time, high calcium is awful! Regarding your urine test, I believe it should be a 24-hour urine and include catecholamines, aldosterone, sodium, cortisol, etc? I'm not sure what she's doing with a simple sample.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of pscs@...

My calcium is now normal. 9.6. So I am good in that dept. But I had bloodwork run on Friday as well for thyroid.

Not sure why it showed high on Tuesday(11.2), but all is normal now.

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Yep we tend to have higher albumin late in day and most Ca++ is bound to albumin. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 5:48 PM, pscs@... wrote:

time of day was different. In the Emergency room it was 7:30 at night, the Ca level was 11.2 . Next blood draw was 3 days later at 12:00 noon and level was norm 9.6. I had not eaten yet the day it was normal. The day in the ER I had eaten a large late lunch around 1:30, consisting of a verggie ommellette , wheat toast and OJ. So maybe that is why?

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Chart it up to biological variation. Were u fasting sometimes or did time of daydiffer?

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:10 PM, pscs@... wrote:

Well, they do say that your labs can very from day to day, so I don't know. It was not a concern to the ER docs when they tested me and gave me the results, nor to my own Dr even though she retested me. I was on HCTZ which can raise calcium levels, but when I was retested I was still on HCTZ. But that was the first and only time my Ca levels were raised.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:56:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Either lab error or mixup. Sounds like to me. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 9:01 AM, pscs@... wrote:

My calcium is now normal. 9.6. So I am good in that dept. But I had bloodwork run on Friday as well for thyroid.

Not sure why it showed high on Tuesday(11.2), but all is normal now.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 10:50:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes:

Hi calcium can be indicative of hyperparathyroidism. You need calcium and parathyroid hormone tested out of the same blood draw. I've had a parathyroid adenoma removed and also have PA. I don't think they're related.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of pscs@...

Would having a high Calcium count(11.2) norm range 8.0-10.6 have anything to do with PA? Or, would it have anything to do with the 12.5 mg of HCTZ I was on? Dr. thinks I need to drink more water. Dehydrated cause calcium increase? FTR, I had chest X-Ray, neg for lung cancers, mammogram, negative for breast cancers, and I am only 42. And GFR Blood test normal for Kidney function.

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Eating moves digestive juicesInto gut concentrating the blood nTiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 5:48 PM, pscs@... wrote:

time of day was different. In the Emergency room it was 7:30 at night, the Ca level was 11.2 . Next blood draw was 3 days later at 12:00 noon and level was norm 9.6. I had not eaten yet the day it was normal. The day in the ER I had eaten a large late lunch around 1:30, consisting of a verggie ommellette , wheat toast and OJ. So maybe that is why?

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Chart it up to biological variation. Were u fasting sometimes or did time of daydiffer?

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:10 PM, pscs@... wrote:

Well, they do say that your labs can very from day to day, so I don't know. It was not a concern to the ER docs when they tested me and gave me the results, nor to my own Dr even though she retested me. I was on HCTZ which can raise calcium levels, but when I was retested I was still on HCTZ. But that was the first and only time my Ca levels were raised.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:56:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Either lab error or mixup. Sounds like to me. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 9:01 AM, pscs@... wrote:

My calcium is now normal. 9.6. So I am good in that dept. But I had bloodwork run on Friday as well for thyroid.

Not sure why it showed high on Tuesday(11.2), but all is normal now.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 10:50:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes:

Hi calcium can be indicative of hyperparathyroidism. You need calcium and parathyroid hormone tested out of the same blood draw. I've had a parathyroid adenoma removed and also have PA. I don't think they're related.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of pscs@...

Would having a high Calcium count(11.2) norm range 8.0-10.6 have anything to do with PA? Or, would it have anything to do with the 12.5 mg of HCTZ I was on? Dr. thinks I need to drink more water. Dehydrated cause calcium increase? FTR, I had chest X-Ray, neg for lung cancers, mammogram, negative for breast cancers, and I am only 42. And GFR Blood test normal for Kidney function.

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If u google side effects of any med u will find so many it is hard to decide which is related to you. Only way to tell is to take it again and stop and see if it comes back. Of it does not then to certain one should repeat this at east oneore time Depends on how much the meds inQuestion were helping you. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 11:56 PM, pscs@... wrote:

No, this is not the same thing. Dr is not sure what it could be from. Could be from HBP, or low Potassium, or long term effects from Effexor Withdrawal in July and Wellbutrin withdrawal in October. If you google "withdrawal side effects from Effexor and or/Wellbutrin" Effexor is a nasty SSNRI to come off of. So I have no idea.

In a message dated 11/15/2009 12:49:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Some on our site refer to brain fogs. If u read our files u will see what they mean.

U say u hear a noise when Loki g to one side no one has mentioned that as PA associated. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:40 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, like brain zaps. Very common when withdrawing from and SSNRI or SSRI. Effexor is infamous for this when coming off of it. It is like... if I look to the left or right with my eyes, it feels like the noise of a "chug". in my head. I never had this until going off of my Effexor. But have not had any today. If I did, I have not noticed. I usually get them in the mornings. Any particular reason for asking?

My problem is that I do to much reading, and to much reading into these things. I like to be educated, but sometimes education can be scary from what you read on the internet. :-)

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:34:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Please describe what u mean by brain chugTiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:23 PM, pscs@... wrote:

yes, my bad. I stink at Math..LOL. It is 5 mg. Sorry....I need to go back to elementary math again. HA HA..

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

That seems like a very small dose.

May have decimal in wrong plAce I suspect. Starting dose here would be 5 mg so suspect u are getting 0.05 grams not mgs. These are the units errors that can kill people.

Look at label again.

Or

Maybe they talk in stones or pebbles there;-)

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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As noted PA starts slowly and HCT BRINGS the hypokalemia to the front and allows earlier dx. Still many just het low K on hctz and don't have PA --yet. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 11:52 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, I did read your article, but none of that has happened to me. So I have to assume it is the Thiazide. Unless I really do have PA. My BP is still good. 129/82.

In a message dated 11/15/2009 12:47:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Vomiting diarrhea sweating eating licorice and read my article.

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:57 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, any other opinions?

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

It is rare to get low K from not eating enough. The body defends against low K very well. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:20 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I have had lip tingling since July, because it was when I came off of my anti-depressent Effexor XR. So I chocked it up to that. I also had brain chugs.

What other reasons would cause Low Potassium other then Thiazides(only 3 weeks) and PA? I can say that I have/had a VERY poor diet, and seriously never ate ANYTHING with Potassium in it very much. The only thing I would ever eat would be a baked potato but that was very rare because I was doing a low carb diet/weight watchers for a while. Stayed away from starches. Ate mainly chicken and rice, or steak and corn, maybe have a whole wheat english muffin and eggs.And salads. When going out to eat I would have Steak or fish. Maybe steamed broccoli.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Tingling of lips goes along with low K but don't recAll many here having that Sx or if it got better with K getting better?

Should we add to Sx list in our questionnaire?

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I don't know, but only time will tell. But I can tell you that I have not had any brain chugs, or tingling lips all day. I was attributing this to my withdrawal from Effexor XR back at the end of July. But if diuretic is still in system and BP creeps up, then I know I need diuretic to keep under control.

Hoping not PA, but bloodwork will tell for sure.

I am sort of DASHing, I fall off the wagon sometimes. I do not use table salt any longer, and never touch junk food.

My downfall is sugar :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:37:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Suggests u do not have PA OR DIuretic effects still present.

Or r u DASHING AS WELL?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

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On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.

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As noted PA starts slowly and HCT BRINGS the hypokalemia to the front and allows earlier dx. Still many just het low K on hctz and don't have PA --yet. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Nov 14, 2009, at 11:52 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, I did read your article, but none of that has happened to me. So I have to assume it is the Thiazide. Unless I really do have PA. My BP is still good. 129/82.

In a message dated 11/15/2009 12:47:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Vomiting diarrhea sweating eating licorice and read my article.

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:57 PM, pscs@... wrote:

hmm, any other opinions?

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

It is rare to get low K from not eating enough. The body defends against low K very well. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:20 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I have had lip tingling since July, because it was when I came off of my anti-depressent Effexor XR. So I chocked it up to that. I also had brain chugs.

What other reasons would cause Low Potassium other then Thiazides(only 3 weeks) and PA? I can say that I have/had a VERY poor diet, and seriously never ate ANYTHING with Potassium in it very much. The only thing I would ever eat would be a baked potato but that was very rare because I was doing a low carb diet/weight watchers for a while. Stayed away from starches. Ate mainly chicken and rice, or steak and corn, maybe have a whole wheat english muffin and eggs.And salads. When going out to eat I would have Steak or fish. Maybe steamed broccoli.

In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:13:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Tingling of lips goes along with low K but don't recAll many here having that Sx or if it got better with K getting better?

Should we add to Sx list in our questionnaire?

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I don't know, but only time will tell. But I can tell you that I have not had any brain chugs, or tingling lips all day. I was attributing this to my withdrawal from Effexor XR back at the end of July. But if diuretic is still in system and BP creeps up, then I know I need diuretic to keep under control.

Hoping not PA, but bloodwork will tell for sure.

I am sort of DASHing, I fall off the wagon sometimes. I do not use table salt any longer, and never touch junk food.

My downfall is sugar :-(

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:37:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

Suggests u do not have PA OR DIuretic effects still present.

Or r u DASHING AS WELL?Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:34 PM, pscs@... wrote:

I am pleased to say that with only .05 mg of lisinoprol, I have had terrific BP all day, averaging 133/80 to 124/82. This is down from average of 157/94- 140/92.

YAY!!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lowerbp2mac writes:

As I mentioned if BP DOES not get better with lisinopril it can be considered a good screening test that u have PA. KEEP US POSTED.

Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, shepelec2002 <pscs@...> wrote:

HiI am 42 yo an have nypertension. Average is around 145/95. I was just taken off HCTZ 12.5 and will be starting a new medication,liprosil(SP?) tomorrow. .05 mg.I had some blood work done on Tuesday for un related reasons. And my potassium was 3.1(3.5-5.0 is normal), and elevated calcium of 11.2(high is 10.6).Three years ago, I had a kidney stone, and while doing a routine CT Scan for it, they found a mass on my right kidney. They did a CT Scan with contrast, and determined it was an accessory spleen. It was not attached to my kidney. But now my Dr is thinking maybe this was not an accessroy spleen but "maybe" an adrenal gland tumor, but feels highly unlilely and will "keep it in the back of her mind".An IV with contrast. Wouldn't the contrast have shown up in the adrenal gland tumor if there was one? This "accessory spleen" did not light up, therefore was not attached to my kidney in that way.She did a full blood workup again today to test for PA. Including urine sample, Thyroid, etc. another Potassium screen, Kidney function.I will have results on Monday.If they come back abnormal, I will assume she will send me for another Abdominal CT Scan or MRI.How would the Radioligists make a mistake and say it is an excessory spleen, and not a adrenal gland tumor? Wouldn't they know the difference??I am hoping that it isn't any tumor, because I am petrified of surgery.I will know more on Monday with my bloodwork.