Sons lead is at 5, should i chelate?

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In a message dated 31/03/2006 00:32:25 GMT Daylight Time, bbrowne123@... writes:

One of the final things i intend to do with my boy is to chelate but he does not have "major" toxic" levels. He does have a lead level of 5 and has high aluminium and cadmium.

>>>On what testing? Ther eis no accurate way to determine the amount of Lead he is carryiing. If you have a DDI hair test you can using the counting rules to interpret it

Mandi x

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In a message dated 31/03/2006 01:09:49 GMT Daylight Time, bbrowne123@... writes:

This was gleaned from an NHS blood test

>>>Cripes - good idea to do a DDI hair test - details of how and why on site

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Mandi x

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One of the final things i intend to do with my boy is to chelate but

he does not have " major " toxic " levels. He does have a lead level of 5

and has high aluminium and cadmium.

How does one make an appropriate and safe determination to detox lead

if the lead isnt really that high. I know that continued exposure to

lead even it the level is at 5, sort of accumulates over time and

becomes worse.

any ideas and any ideas on what to use to chelate lead??

its such a scary topic for me. I want to leave it to the last, but

need reassurance.

thanks

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This was gleaned from an NHS blood test.

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>

> In a message dated 31/03/2006 00:32:25 GMT Daylight Time,

> bbrowne123@... writes:

>

> One of the final things i intend to do with my boy is to chelate

but

> he does not have " major " toxic " levels. He does have a lead level

of 5

> and has high aluminium and cadmium.

>

>

>

> >>>On what testing? Ther eis no accurate way to determine the

amount of Lead

> he is carryiing. If you have a DDI hair test you can using the

counting

> rules to interpret it

>

> Mandi x

>

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A blood test for lead can only show exposure in the last 3 months I

believe, unless you use provocation. I personally believe that

there is NO safe level of lead. The medical establishment is coming

around to that idea also.

One thing I've learned from chelating my son is that many of our

kids are full of metals we didn't expect. I started this believing

that my son had been damaged by mercury. And he had, but now that

we're chelating, I see him excreting all sorts of stuff that I can

hardly believe was in him. Lead, antimony, aluminum, cadmium,

uranium, nickel, bismuth. It seems unreal that a three year old

could have so many poisons in him, but it is the case.

My personal feeling is that chelating safely is far, far, far less

risk than leaving the toxins inside. The first dose of chelator I

gave me son made me want to pass out I was in such a state. We must

have a healthy respect for the chelators and their proper use, but

I'm not afraid of them now, particularly after I've seen how happy

he is during chelation rounds, and how much he has started

improving, and the tests that show the poisons coming out.

My best wishes,

Anita

>

>

> In a message dated 31/03/2006 01:09:49 GMT Daylight Time,

> bbrowne123@... writes:

>

> This was gleaned from an NHS blood test

>

>

> >>>Cripes - good idea to do a DDI hair test - details of how and

why on site

>

> _Treating Autism_ (http://www.treatingautism.com/)

>

> Mandi x

>

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Anita and Mandi,

I agree blood tests are very limited in what they tell us. I have an old paper from the Lancet (20-30 years old) which discusses the relative uses and usefulness of blood and hair tests for measuring lead. Blood lead levels are only a snapshot as it is only recently ingested stuff that shows up at all. It could be gone in a few hours from the blood. I have another paper whose authors fed lead to pregnant and lactating rats then looked at the brains of the offspring. They found that the babies' blood led level fell to nothing within a few days of stopping their exposure to lead, but that when they looked at the brains they were full of the stuff.

Margaret

By the way the current paediatric reference level for lead is 10 (mcg/dl I think is the measure). In the UK they measure in a different way and the refernce level is also different.

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Subject: Re: Sons lead is at 5, should i chelate?

A blood test for lead can only show exposure in the last 3 months I believe, unless you use provocation. I personally believe that there is NO safe level of lead. The medical establishment is coming around to that idea also. One thing I've learned from chelating my son is that many of our kids are full of metals we didn't expect. I started this believing that my son had been damaged by mercury. And he had, but now that we're chelating, I see him excreting all sorts of stuff that I can hardly believe was in him. Lead, antimony, aluminum, cadmium, uranium, nickel, bismuth. It seems unreal that a three year old could have so many poisons in him, but it is the case.My personal feeling is that chelating safely is far, far, far less risk than leaving the toxins inside. The first dose of chelator I gave me son made me want to pass out I was in such a state. We must have a healthy respect for the chelators and their proper use, but I'm not afraid of them now, particularly after I've seen how happy he is during chelation rounds, and how much he has started improving, and the tests that show the poisons coming out.My best wishes,Anita>> > In a message dated 31/03/2006 01:09:49 GMT Daylight Time, > bbrowne123@... writes:> > This was gleaned from an NHS blood test> > > >>>Cripes - good idea to do a DDI hair test - details of how and why on site> > _Treating Autism_ (http://www.treatingautism.com/) > > Mandi x>__________ NOD32 1.1464 (20060331) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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had the ION panel last summer, and his Lead was 0.028ppm packed cells, and the reference range was <=0.030. Is it possible to work out what this translates to in mcg/dl? His hair lead was 0.24, but his last post-challenge UTM had his lead at 29ug/g creatinine. Before we started chelation (which we only did for 2 months), his lead was 104ug/g following a challenge test. I don't know how to translate the different reference ranges.

Re: Sons lead is at 5, should i chelate?

A blood test for lead can only show exposure in the last 3 months I believe, unless you use provocation. I personally believe that there is NO safe level of lead. The medical establishment is coming around to that idea also. One thing I've learned from chelating my son is that many of our kids are full of metals we didn't expect. I started this believing that my son had been damaged by mercury. And he had, but now that we're chelating, I see him excreting all sorts of stuff that I can hardly believe was in him. Lead, antimony, aluminum, cadmium, uranium, nickel, bismuth. It seems unreal that a three year old could have so many poisons in him, but it is the case.My personal feeling is that chelating safely is far, far, far less risk than leaving the toxins inside. The first dose of chelator I gave me son made me want to pass out I was in such a state. We must have a healthy respect for the chelators and their proper use, but I'm not afraid of them now, particularly after I've seen how happy he is during chelation rounds, and how much he has started improving, and the tests that show the poisons coming out.My best wishes,Anita>> > In a message dated 31/03/2006 01:09:49 GMT Daylight Time, > bbrowne123@... writes:> > This was gleaned from an NHS blood test> > > >>>Cripes - good idea to do a DDI hair test - details of how and why on site> > _Treating Autism_ (http://www.treatingautism.com/) > > Mandi x>__________ NOD32 1.1464 (20060331) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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I don't know. i wish we could find a parent trained in medical laboratory sciences to join this group!

Margaret

Re: Sons lead is at 5, should i chelate?

A blood test for lead can only show exposure in the last 3 months I believe, unless you use provocation. I personally believe that there is NO safe level of lead. The medical establishment is coming around to that idea also. One thing I've learned from chelating my son is that many of our kids are full of metals we didn't expect. I started this believing that my son had been damaged by mercury. And he had, but now that we're chelating, I see him excreting all sorts of stuff that I can hardly believe was in him. Lead, antimony, aluminum, cadmium, uranium, nickel, bismuth. It seems unreal that a three year old could have so many poisons in him, but it is the case.My personal feeling is that chelating safely is far, far, far less risk than leaving the toxins inside. The first dose of chelator I gave me son made me want to pass out I was in such a state. We must have a healthy respect for the chelators and their proper use, but I'm not afraid of them now, particularly after I've seen how happy he is during chelation rounds, and how much he has started improving, and the tests that show the poisons coming out.My best wishes,Anita>> > In a message dated 31/03/2006 01:09:49 GMT Daylight Time, > bbrowne123@... writes:> > This was gleaned from an NHS blood test> > > >>>Cripes - good idea to do a DDI hair test - details of how and why on site> > _Treating Autism_ (http://www.treatingautism.com/) > > Mandi x>__________ NOD32 1.1464 (20060331) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com__________ NOD32 1.1464 (20060331) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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In a message dated 31/03/2006 13:59:36 GMT Daylight Time, m_d33@... writes:

had the ION panel last summer, and his Lead was 0.028ppm packed cells, and the reference range was <=0.030. Is it possible to work out what this translates to in mcg/dl? His hair lead was 0.24, but his last post-challenge UTM had his lead at 29ug/g creatinine. Before we started chelation (which we only did for 2 months), his lead was 104ug/g following a challenge test. I don't know how to translate the different reference

>>Me neither, not that the tests are going to tell you much anyways.

Mandi x