Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Indeed good luck Margaret with the Tribunal... Lets no how it goes... How is Henry since you took him off the movicol?? Love 2 no Luv Caroline xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Tribunal I may be not posting for a few months as I am doing a Tribunal case and need to gets lots of expert reports and so on. Found out yesterday that I can get legal Aid for preparation!! previously, the rules meant I couldn't. Still have to find £X k for representation and witnesses, though. (Automatic right to legal Aid if on Income Support even if you have capital in the house in which you live - I'd better not get a job till it's over!.) Time limits are now against me, as the Appeal has already gone in - only 6 weeks to do everything. Good luck tomorrow Mandi.. And best wishes to you all. Margaret -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 27/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 29/03/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Dear Caroline, no improvement yet in his behaviour, but I'm hoping! he has a rotten cold and is soooo cranky. I've been trying to instruct solicitors since Monday - they're so busy, they haven't responded to e-mail or telephone calls. But they are specialists with an excellent reputation, and it's a waste of time going to a dabbler. Margaret Re: Tribunal Indeed good luck Margaret with the Tribunal... Lets no how it goes... How is Henry since you took him off the movicol?? Love 2 no Luv Caroline xxx__________ NOD32 1.1461 (20060329) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Tribunal Indeed good luck Margaret with the Tribunal... Lets no how it goes... How is Henry since you took him off the movicol?? Love 2 no Luv Caroline xxx __________ NOD32 1.1461 (20060329) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 29/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 29/03/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Have you submitted the report to tribunal which points out the faults in the eclectic model of teaching that these special schools operate? Sara, Just wanted to tell you that you can find the report on the ABA-UK list files section if you want to submit it. We did submit it as well and referenced it in our proposal. Thinking of you, Darla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 > > Hi, > > We are going to tribunal a week tomorrow and I am in a big panic. > > The LEA have just changed their mind about the provision they are offering > us. Hi Sara I think that the LEA have to be seen to be offering a provision that is 'reasonable ' for your child.... this is in itself v wooly but as we understood it, it doesn't have to offer the all, singing dancing model but one that is reasonable for your little one. We live in cheshire and were heading for tribunal to get ABA instead of a special school. We had Conrathe, solicitor and Urani, an Ed Psych. Both v talented and know their stuff. Having shown Urani the LEA's intended provision, we were advised by him and Conrathe to pull out at the last minute as the special school on offer was indeed 'reasonable' (actually Urani said it was one of the best special schools that he'd ever seen) for our son. But we had already started ABA by then and it was obvious to the ed psyche (and us) that wasn't going to be one of those kids who get thru all the programmes at the rate of knots. He's now 7 and non verbal..... So what I'm trying to say (but not v well) is that IMHO alot depends on whether LEA provision is 'reasonable' for your particular child's needs, and every child is unique and must be treated as their own special case. I hope that helps?!! Good luck. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Sara, I persume you’ve been doing AbA/VB and can prove that it has worked for your child and you have reports to back this argument. The LEA can argue that their model is adequate for your child, but you need to go in argue that your child is too young for this special school (you say it’s mainly key stage 1) and that your child is unlike the other children (you seem worried that they are all high functioning). Point out to tribunal that you know your child better than anyone and argue the point that your child could regress in the wrong teaching environment. (Our children are at risk of this). As for Urani and Conrathe suggesting parents pull out (Helen below), I’ve heard this said to many parents(honest) before and they ignored this advice and went on to win at tribunal. Don’t pull out. Go in and fight for what you believe is right for your child. Tell them how ABA/VBA has helped your child progress and point out that your child could regress (as all our children can) in this special school. Have you submitted the report to tribunal which points out the faults in the eclectic model of teaching that these special schools operate? Your child is only 4. Still very young. You’re in for a good chance to win this. Good Luck and please let us all know how you get on. Gillian Ps Won a tribunal in 2006,got taken to High Court by LEA lost that and took LEA back to tribunal and won again. > > Hi, > > We are going to tribunal a week tomorrow and I am in a big panic. > > The LEA have just changed their mind about the provision they are offering > us. Hi Sara I think that the LEA have to be seen to be offering a provision that is 'reasonable ' for your child.... this is in itself v wooly but as we understood it, it doesn't have to offer the all, singing dancing model but one that is reasonable for your little one. We live in cheshire and were heading for tribunal to get ABA instead of a special school. We had Conrathe, solicitor and Urani, an Ed Psych. Both v talented and know their stuff. Having shown Urani the LEA's intended provision, we were advised by him and Conrathe to pull out at the last minute as the special school on offer was indeed 'reasonable' (actually Urani said it was one of the best special schools that he'd ever seen) for our son. But we had already started ABA by then and it was obvious to the ed psyche (and us) that wasn't going to be one of those kids who get thru all the programmes at the rate of knots. He's now 7 and non verbal..... So what I'm trying to say (but not v well) is that IMHO alot depends on whether LEA provision is 'reasonable' for your particular child's needs, and every child is unique and must be treated as their own special case. I hope that helps?!! Good luck. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 > > Sara, I persume you¹ve been doing AbA/VB and can prove that it has worked > for your child and you have reports to back this argument. Hi Sara and Gillian I think what Gillian says above is key to what you value your chances at winning are. We took Urani and Conrathes's advivce and did pull out BUT having compared the test scores at entrance to doing ABA and 18 months later, hadn't progressed v much at all and the LEA will take this into account when offering their 'reasonable' provision. If your child can be seen to have progressed then thats a whole different ball game. Most kids doing 40 hrs a week do and george was doing 40 hrs but he is (and continues to be ) v severe which we are now tackling biomedically under Jean's expert help! Good luck. If you don't think its the right provision for your child then fight tooth and nail. Helen x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 They can't change their mind at this late stage. All the deadlines are over Sally Sass and Rem wrote: Hi, We are going to tribunal a week tomorrow and I am in a big panic. The LEA have just changed their mind about the provision they are offering us. What’s on offer now is a small unit for children with ASD attached to a mainstream primary school. It appears to be for key stage 1 children although Tom is only just 4. We only received the name of this school on Jan 10th. I have been to visit the school and found them very hard to pin down on anything and I can’t imagine winning any arguments against them at the moment. Everything I said we did for Tom, they said they did it too, so I stopped telling them what we did. It’s only for 10 children but she wouldn’t specify what category those children fitted into. (They all appeared to be very high functioning) . She said she was flexible in her approach to the child. They have an 80% success rate of mainstreaming children (like I said they all seemed very high functioning but couldn’t get her to say that). I’m panicking about this so much now. I’m going back tomorrow to try and get some paper work from her in the hope that IEPs etc are very woolly. I’d really love to hear from anyone who’s been in a similar situation or anyone at all whose been to tribunal for ABA / VB and won or lost to give me some tips on here or over the phone. 01752 265085 SARA (in a big mess) -----Original Message----- From: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com [mailto: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com ] On Behalf Of Sass and Rem Sent: 16 January 2007 19:08 Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com Subject: RE: Re: Bournemouth hotels - help! I’m in the Lampeter with my friend Tonia. Look forward to meeting you. are you going to the evening thing on the Thursday? SARA -----Original Message----- From: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com [mailto: Autism- Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com ] On Behalf Of JULIE GRIFFITHS Sent: 16 January 2007 16:00 Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com Subject: Re: Re: Bournemouth hotels - help! I've just booked into the Lampeter Hotel ( 5 minutes from the conference.) . Look forward to having some really good chinwags with you all! Sharon <bill.molineux@ ntlworld. com> wrote: -I'm booked in the Belvedere,looking forward to meeting you all ! Love Sharon. -- In Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com, "Jane Hogan" <jane_hogan@ ...> wrote: > > Three of us from Lancs are booked in there. > > > Re: Bournemouth hotels - help! > > > > THe belvedere 01202 293336 is supposesed to be 7 minutes away by > foot. > > I have booked a single there - website looked OK but won't know til > I get there. > > I'm booked in this hotel - glad there will be a few of us to stagger > back together! > > Webster > > > > > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 08:25 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 08:25 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 08:25 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 18/01/2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 The post code lottery plays it's role again this is exactly the type of unit I wanted for 2 years ago but could not get! And here you are being offered it when it may not be appropriate at all. Special Needs Education system stinks. Sorry I can't be more helpful but I do know just how stressful tribunals are so my thoughts are with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Hi Sara We weren't exactly in the same position. Charlie turned 4 in July 2005 and I really wanted to keep him on at nursery for another year. We had just toilet trained him and he had very limited vocabulary. He couldn't answer questions apart from thoses from a year of ABA - " how are you " was answered with " Im fine " or I'm four years old! Anyway the LEA wouldn't budge and a local school had a good reputation with SEN kids ( they have quite a few blind children) so we went to see them. I was in a total panic and the statement only said band A. The head teacher was fab and got that changed to band B straight away. Charlie could do very little in his first year and did not talk much but his TA's were great - I talk to them every day. With biomed and diet Charlie has improved alot and copies the other kids. What I'm trying to say is that although it is terrifying if the mainstream is good and the teachers/ta's decent people then I believe if your child hasn't got too many sensory issues ( ie can cope with all the kids and noise) then they are much better off in mainstream. I think it is the sensory issues that stop our kids integrating the most. This mainly went away with diet for Charlie - though good old yeast lets it fare up now and again. The LEA are always going to be against you but if the school is good then you don't have to deal with them. Our TA even gives Charlie his charcoal at the right time and I don't have to sign any forms. They have had other ASD kids with more sensory issues but thet have coped fine and so has the school. Get the school's record on how many ASD kids have failed there and had to go to special schools - non has at our school. Now if you know any good drs or paeds - I have totally failed there! I know i have gone on about our school but I hope I have made some sense. Good luck Peta -- In Autism Treatment , " Sass and Rem " wrote: > > Hi, > > We are going to tribunal a week tomorrow and I am in a big panic. > > The LEA have just changed their mind about the provision they are offering > us. What's on offer now is a small unit for children with ASD attached to a > mainstream primary school. It appears to be for key stage 1 children > although Tom is only just 4. We only received the name of this school on > Jan 10th. I have been to visit the school and found them very hard to pin > down on anything and I can't imagine winning any arguments against them at > the moment. Everything I said we did for Tom, they said they did it too, so > I stopped telling them what we did. It's only for 10 children but she > wouldn't specify what category those children fitted into. (They all > appeared to be very high functioning). She said she was flexible in her > approach to the child. They have an 80% success rate of mainstreaming > children (like I said they all seemed very high functioning but couldn't get > her to say that). > > I'm panicking about this so much now. I'm going back tomorrow to try and get > some paper work from her in the hope that IEPs etc are very woolly. > > I'd really love to hear from anyone who's been in a similar situation or > anyone at all whose been to tribunal for ABA/ VB and won or lost to give me > some tips on here or over the phone. > > 01752 265085 > > SARA (in a big mess) > > > > Re: [Autism-Biomedical--Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - help! > > > > I've just booked into the Lampeter Hotel ( 5 minutes from the conference.)-. > Look forward to having some really good chinwags with you all! > > > > > > Sharon wrote: > > -I'm booked in the Belvedere,looking forward to meeting you all ! > Love Sharon. > > -- In HYPERLINK > " mailto:Autism Treatment%40 " Autism- Biomedical--Europe > @grou-ps.com, " Jane Hogan " > <jane_hogan@> wrote: > > > > Three of us from Lancs are booked in there. > > > > > > [Autism-Biomedical--Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - > help! > > > > > > > THe belvedere 01202 293336 is supposesed to be 7 minutes away > by > > foot. > > > I have booked a single there - website looked OK but won't > know til > > I get there. > > > > I'm booked in this hotel - glad there will be a few of us to > stagger > > back together! > > > > Webster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 16:36 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I asked my legal rep for advice on this and she said this is happening more and more. She asked if they had therefore changed their witness (assuming the LEA were calling a witness??). She felt that an adjournment was probable. What representation do you have currently? Celia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 This has been my experience. Mainstream was positive with normal children modelling desirable behaviour, urgently demanding that my daughter respond to them, firm, positive LSA and teachers. It was good. Special school (for us) was badly managed, inconsistent, clueless, with low expectations and poor staff. In other words it's the quality not the type of provision. Sally peta3366 wrote: Hi Sara We weren't exactly in the same position. Charlie turned 4 in July 2005 and I really wanted to keep him on at nursery for another year. We had just toilet trained him and he had very limited vocabulary. He couldn't answer questions apart from thoses from a year of ABA - "how are you" was answered with "Im fine" or I'm four years old! Anyway the LEA wouldn't budge and a local school had a good reputation with SEN kids ( they have quite a few blind children) so we went to see them. I was in a total panic and the statement only said band A. The head teacher was fab and got that changed to band B straight away. Charlie could do very little in his first year and did not talk much but his TA's were great - I talk to them every day. With biomed and diet Charlie has improved alot and copies the other kids. What I'm trying to say is that although it is terrifying if the mainstream is good and the teachers/ta' s decent people then I believe if your child hasn't got too many sensory issues ( ie can cope with all the kids and noise) then they are much better off in mainstream. I think it is the sensory issues that stop our kids integrating the most. This mainly went away with diet for Charlie - though good old yeast lets it fare up now and again. The LEA are always going to be against you but if the school is good then you don't have to deal with them. Our TA even gives Charlie his charcoal at the right time and I don't have to sign any forms. They have had other ASD kids with more sensory issues but thet have coped fine and so has the school. Get the school's record on how many ASD kids have failed there and had to go to special schools - non has at our school. Now if you know any good drs or paeds - I have totally failed there! I know i have gone on about our school but I hope I have made some sense. Good luck Peta -- In Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com, "Sass and Rem" <Moroza-@ ...> wrote: > > Hi, > > We are going to tribunal a week tomorrow and I am in a big panic. > > The LEA have just changed their mind about the provision they are offering > us. What's on offer now is a small unit for children with ASD attached to a > mainstream primary school. It appears to be for key stage 1 children > although Tom is only just 4. We only received the name of this school on > Jan 10th. I have been to visit the school and found them very hard to pin > down on anything and I can't imagine winning any arguments against them at > the moment. Everything I said we did for Tom, they said they did it too, so > I stopped telling them what we did. It's only for 10 children but she > wouldn't specify what category those children fitted into. (They all > appeared to be very high functioning) . She said she was flexible in her > approach to the child. They have an 80% success rate of mainstreaming > children (like I said they all seemed very high functioning but couldn't get > her to say that). > > I'm panicking about this so much now. I'm going back tomorrow to try and get > some paper work from her in the hope that IEPs etc are very woolly. > > I'd really love to hear from anyone who's been in a similar situation or > anyone at all whose been to tribunal for ABA/ VB and won or lost to give me > some tips on here or over the phone. > > 01752 265085 > > SARA (in a big mess) > > > > Re: [Autism-Biomedical- -Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - help! > > > > I've just booked into the Lampeter Hotel ( 5 minutes from the conference.) -. > Look forward to having some really good chinwags with you all! > > > > > > Sharon <bill.molineux@ ...> wrote: > > -I'm booked in the Belvedere,looking forward to meeting you all ! > Love Sharon. > > -- In HYPERLINK > "mailto:Autism- Biomedical- Europe%40gr oups.com" Autism- Biomedical-- Europe > @grou-ps. com, "Jane Hogan" > <jane_hogan@ > wrote: > > > > Three of us from Lancs are booked in there. > > > > > > [Autism-Biomedical- -Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - > help! > > > > > > > THe belvedere 01202 293336 is supposesed to be 7 minutes away > by > > foot. > > > I have booked a single there - website looked OK but won't > know til > > I get there. > > > > I'm booked in this hotel - glad there will be a few of us to > stagger > > back together! > > > > Webster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 16:36 > No virus found in this incoming message. 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Just what I suspected. Thanks Sally. Re: [Autism-Biomedical- -Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - help! > > > > I've just booked into the Lampeter Hotel ( 5 minutes from the conference.) -. > Look forward to having some really good chinwags with you all! > > > > > > Sharon <bill.molineux@ ...> wrote: > > -I'm booked in the Belvedere,looking forward to meeting you all ! > Love Sharon. > > -- In HYPERLINK > " mailto:Autism- Biomedical- Europe%40gr oups.com " Autism- Biomedical-- Europe > @grou-ps. com, " Jane Hogan " > <jane_hogan@ > wrote: > > > > Three of us from Lancs are booked in there. > > > > > > [Autism-Biomedical- -Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - > help! > > > > > > > THe belvedere 01202 293336 is supposesed to be 7 minutes away > by > > foot. > > > I have booked a single there - website looked OK but won't > know til > > I get there. > > > > I'm booked in this hotel - glad there will be a few of us to > stagger > > back together! > > > > Webster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 16:36 > No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 18/01/2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Yes they changed their witnesses but it looks like we are going ahead next Thursday. SARA Re: tribunal I asked my legal rep for advice on this and she said this is happening more and more. She asked if they had therefore changed their witness (assuming the LEA were calling a witness??). She felt that an adjournment was probable. What representation do you have currently? Celia -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Hi Peta, What are these bands? I’ve never heard of them. What I'm trying to say is that although it is terrifying if the mainstream is good and the teachers/ta's decent people then I believe if your child hasn't got too many sensory issues ( ie can cope with all the kids and noise) then they are much better off in mainstream. I think it is the sensory issues that stop our kids integrating the most. Yes, good point. Tom already goes to mainstream pre-school twice a week with his ABA therapist. He copes fine there although cannot access stuff without the therapists but that’s because of language. Moving him to this ASD unit would be a step backwards from that. Get the school's record on how many ASD kids have failed there and had to go to special schools - non has at our school. That’s a really good idea. He’s not there yet but I’ll give them a ring. Thanks very much SARA -- In Autism Treatment , " Sass and Rem " wrote: > > Hi, > > We are going to tribunal a week tomorrow and I am in a big panic. > > The LEA have just changed their mind about the provision they are offering > us. What's on offer now is a small unit for children with ASD attached to a > mainstream primary school. It appears to be for key stage 1 children > although Tom is only just 4. We only received the name of this school on > Jan 10th. I have been to visit the school and found them very hard to pin > down on anything and I can't imagine winning any arguments against them at > the moment. Everything I said we did for Tom, they said they did it too, so > I stopped telling them what we did. It's only for 10 children but she > wouldn't specify what category those children fitted into. (They all > appeared to be very high functioning). She said she was flexible in her > approach to the child. They have an 80% success rate of mainstreaming > children (like I said they all seemed very high functioning but couldn't get > her to say that). > > I'm panicking about this so much now. I'm going back tomorrow to try and get > some paper work from her in the hope that IEPs etc are very woolly. > > I'd really love to hear from anyone who's been in a similar situation or > anyone at all whose been to tribunal for ABA/ VB and won or lost to give me > some tips on here or over the phone. > > 01752 265085 > > SARA (in a big mess) > > > > Re: [Autism-Biomedical--Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - help! > > > > I've just booked into the Lampeter Hotel ( 5 minutes from the conference.)-. > Look forward to having some really good chinwags with you all! > > > > > > Sharon wrote: > > -I'm booked in the Belvedere,looking forward to meeting you all ! > Love Sharon. > > -- In HYPERLINK > " mailto:Autism Treatment%40 " Autism- Biomedical--Europe > @grou-ps.com, " Jane Hogan " > <jane_hogan@> wrote: > > > > Three of us from Lancs are booked in there. > > > > > > [Autism-Biomedical--Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - > help! > > > > > > > THe belvedere 01202 293336 is supposesed to be 7 minutes away > by > > foot. > > > I have booked a single there - website looked OK but won't > know til > > I get there. > > > > I'm booked in this hotel - glad there will be a few of us to > stagger > > back together! > > > > Webster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 08:25 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 16:36 > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Yes, done thanks J Re: Re: tribunal In a message dated 18/01/2007 12:47:16 GMT Standard Time, editorial.hillburyvirgin (DOT) net writes: Have you submitted the report to tribunal which points out the faults in the eclectic model of teaching that these special schools operate? Sara, Just wanted to tell you that you can find the report on the ABA-UK list files section if you want to submit it. We did submit it as well and referenced it in our proposal. Thinking of you, Darla -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Ø Sara, I persume you¹ve been doing AbA/VB and can prove that it has worked > for your child and you have reports to back this argument. YES we have J Hi Sara and Gillian I think what Gillian says above is key to what you value your chances at winning are. We took Urani and Conrathes's advivce and did pull out BUT having compared the test scores at entrance to doing ABA and 18 months later, hadn't progressed v much at all and the LEA will take this into account when offering their 'reasonable' provision. are you happy with ’s current provision? Ø If your child can be seen to have progressed then thats a whole different ball game. Most kids doing 40 hrs a week do and george was doing 40 hrs but he is (and continues to be ) v severe which we are now tackling biomedically under Jean's expert help! GOOD LUCK! SARA -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Thanks Gillian – this is all really good stuff. SARA Re: Re: tribunal Sara, I persume you’ve been doing AbA/VB and can prove that it has worked for your child and you have reports to back this argument. The LEA can argue that their model is adequate for your child, but you need to go in argue that your child is too young for this special school (you say it’s mainly key stage 1) and that your child is unlike the other children (you seem worried that they are all high functioning). Point out to tribunal that you know your child better than anyone and argue the point that your child could regress in the wrong teaching environment. (Our children are at risk of this). As for Urani and Conrathe suggesting parents pull out (Helen below), I’ve heard this said to many parents(honest) before and they ignored this advice and went on to win at tribunal. Don’t pull out. Go in and fight for what you believe is right for your child. Tell them how ABA/VBA has helped your child progress and point out that your child could regress (as all our children can) in this special school. Have you submitted the report to tribunal which points out the faults in the eclectic model of teaching that these special schools operate? Your child is only 4. Still very young. You’re in for a good chance to win this. Good Luck and please let us all know how you get on. Gillian Ps Won a tribunal in 2006,got taken to High Court by LEA lost that and took LEA back to tribunal and won again. On 18/1/07 12:21, " tikka330726 " <olivers4tinyworld (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > We are going to tribunal a week tomorrow and I am in a big panic. > > The LEA have just changed their mind about the provision they are offering > us. Hi Sara I think that the LEA have to be seen to be offering a provision that is 'reasonable ' for your child.... this is in itself v wooly but as we understood it, it doesn't have to offer the all, singing dancing model but one that is reasonable for your little one. We live in cheshire and were heading for tribunal to get ABA instead of a special school. We had Conrathe, solicitor and Urani, an Ed Psych. Both v talented and know their stuff. Having shown Urani the LEA's intended provision, we were advised by him and Conrathe to pull out at the last minute as the special school on offer was indeed 'reasonable' (actually Urani said it was one of the best special schools that he'd ever seen) for our son. But we had already started ABA by then and it was obvious to the ed psyche (and us) that wasn't going to be one of those kids who get thru all the programmes at the rate of knots. He's now 7 and non verbal..... So what I'm trying to say (but not v well) is that IMHO alot depends on whether LEA provision is 'reasonable' for your particular child's needs, and every child is unique and must be treated as their own special case. I hope that helps?!! Good luck. Helen -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 P eta is this different then from funding bands? is Band 4, apparently band 5 being nigh on imposible to be, in his school there are no band 5's and is one of only 10 children in an SLD school who is band 4 apparently worth 14k to the school. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Hi Sara The " bands " are for how many hours they get one to one help for. ie band A is mornings only I think, Band B covers the afternoon as well and I think band C covers lunchtimes. Even though we haven't got band C they monitor him at lunchtime. For most of the first year he went into a separate room for lunch( with other kids with difficulties) but now he eats with the others and the school covers monitoring him so he sticks to his diet. He is good and knows he can't have other kids food because it is bad for his tummy. The headmistress believes that diet is very important - her own son had allergies when he was yoounger. She has also borrowed Evidence of Harm and read it. She is very interested and is telling people about it - which is good because we are going to the States again for over 4 weeks at Easter! Good luck Peta -- - In Autism Treatment , " Sass and Rem " <Moroza- @...> wrote: > > Hi Peta, > > What are these bands? I've never heard of them. > > What I'm trying to say is that although it is terrifying if the > mainstream is good and the teachers/ta'-s decent people then I believe > if your child hasn't got too many sensory issues ( ie can cope with > all the kids and noise) then they are much better off in mainstream. > I think it is the sensory issues that stop our kids integrating the > most. > > Yes, good point. Tom already goes to mainstream pre-school twice a week with > his ABA therapist. He copes fine there although cannot access stuff without > the therapists but that's because of language. Moving him to this ASD unit > would be a step backwards from that. > > Get the school's record on how many > ASD kids have failed there and had to go to special schools - non has > at our school. > > That's a really good idea. He's not there yet but I'll give them a ring. > > Thanks very much > > SARA > > > > > -- In HYPERLINK > " mailto:Autism Treatment%40 " Autism- Biomedical--Europe > @grou-ps.com, " Sass and Rem " > <Moroza-@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > We are going to tribunal a week tomorrow and I am in a big panic. > > > > The LEA have just changed their mind about the provision they are > offering > > us. What's on offer now is a small unit for children with ASD > attached to a > > mainstream primary school. It appears to be for key stage 1 children > > although Tom is only just 4. We only received the name of this > school on > > Jan 10th. I have been to visit the school and found them very hard > to pin > > down on anything and I can't imagine winning any arguments against > them at > > the moment. Everything I said we did for Tom, they said they did it > too, so > > I stopped telling them what we did. It's only for 10 children but > she > > wouldn't specify what category those children fitted into. (They all > > appeared to be very high functioning)-. She said she was flexible in > her > > approach to the child. They have an 80% success rate of > mainstreaming > > children (like I said they all seemed very high functioning but > couldn't get > > her to say that). > > > > I'm panicking about this so much now. I'm going back tomorrow to > try and get > > some paper work from her in the hope that IEPs etc are very woolly. > > > > I'd really love to hear from anyone who's been in a similar > situation or > > anyone at all whose been to tribunal for ABA/ VB and won or lost > to give me > > some tips on here or over the phone. > > > > 01752 265085 > > > > SARA (in a big mess) > > > > > > > > Re: [Autism-Biomedical---Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - > help! > > > > > > > > I've just booked into the Lampeter Hotel ( 5 minutes from the > conference.)--. > > Look forward to having some really good chinwags with you all! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharon <bill.molineux@> wrote: > > > > -I'm booked in the Belvedere,looking forward to meeting you all ! > > Love Sharon. > > > > -- In HYPERLINK > > " mailto:Autism--Biomedical--Europe%40gr-oups.com " -Autism- > Biomedical---Europe > > @grou-ps.-com, " Jane Hogan " > > <jane_hogan@> wrote: > > > > > > Three of us from Lancs are booked in there. > > > > > > > > > [Autism-Biomedical---Europe] Re: Bournemouth hotels - > > help! > > > > > > > > > > THe belvedere 01202 293336 is supposesed to be 7 minutes away > > by > > > foot. > > > > I have booked a single there - website looked OK but won't > > know til > > > I get there. > > > > > > I'm booked in this hotel - glad there will be a few of us to > > stagger > > > back together! > > > > > > Webster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: > 16/01/2007 > > 08:25 > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: > 16/01/2007 > > 08:25 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: > 16/01/2007 > > 08:25 > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: > 16/01/2007 > > 16:36 > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 16:36 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 > 16:36 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Hi Vicky This is the funding bands - we have band B on Charlie's statement and I think the school get about £6000 a year for that - but I could be wrong - that figure comes to mind. The school asked for funding at lunchtime due to diet but the LEA flatly refused - like they would be bothered if a child regressed! They don't even bother to turn up to Charlie's yearly reviews which is fab because I am not very good at hiding my disdain! Charlie has recently been doing lots of drawings and colouring in - alot within the lines. This always makes me think of the EP who assessed Charlie when he was just over 3 at nursery and she said she observed him colouring in within the lines! He could barely hold a pencil. These people are such liars - I phoned the EP and told her so- that I can't bear to be near them. It's like they are not real people and will stand ther and say yes black is white! Ranting and premenstrual - not a pretty sight! Peta -- -- In Autism Treatment , MaddiganV@... wrote: > > P eta is this different then from funding bands? > is Band 4, apparently band 5 being nigh on imposible to be, in his > school there are no band 5's and is one of only 10 children in an SLD school > who is band 4 apparently worth 14k to the school. > Vicky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I so wish our ed psyche had outright disagreed with us before tribunal, I would never have had her there, she was a complete liability! At one point she interupted me to argue a point quite forcibly, swear to god if I didn't know better........... Her name is all over the decision where the panel have pointed out that we were paying her and yet she endorsed the LEA. If I ever write a book it will be put under fiction absolutely no one would believe any of this actually happened. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Caroline destroyed your number with the rest of my nice new phone book! Send again, will call in the week when I have some privacy to howl. Can't wait for Feb, when it can all be done as it should be with a glass in hand lol. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I kind of like the idea as well Margaret, Caroline not just a pretty face eh? Who are these inclusion people, have never met them, do all LEA's have them? Would really set the cat among the pigeons. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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