Guest guest Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 Dear Green, Your post on body use of 03 and 02 most educational and this must explain why 03 has so much therapeutic value for most of the difficult to treat illnesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 Now, Vilik, this is the first time I've had the opportunity to respond to you -- and I'm not finding fault, I'm just attempting to verify your advice, and I'm curious about what you've said. You see, my lady is a Registered Nurse and, in Hospital, they put a little instrument on the end of the finger which reads the blood oxygen. If the Doctor orders oxygen, they take the little clear tube coming from the medical grade oxygen supply on the wall and place it into the patient's nose and regulate the flow of oxygen with a knob on the flow valve. After several hours, they check the B/O and, if it's okay, they then take the tube away. Also, when they have an unborn baby in oxygen distress, they turn the flow way up high. The Mom gets the maximun amount and the baby really benefits. They verify this by checking the fetal monitor to see the heartbeat as it comes back up. Now, I wish you'd go back to your people with this info and verify what you were told so we can get the really straight scoop on this part of my question, please, because this answer is really important to me. Obie. Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen > > " OBIE " <obie2@...> wrote: > > > I've been reading the details at homozon.ebz.com and came to wonder if just > plain oxygen from a tank and into the nose through those little clear tubes > at night as we sleep wouldn't be just as effective as Homozon; maybe more. > It sure wouldn't have the side effects; in fact, has no side effects, I > don't believe. I think the same could be said for Ozone, probably. Obie. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oh Obie...I think I actually may be able to answer this one! > > Just plain O2 breathed in from a canister actually LOWERS blood oxygen. > Ray Peat first told me this a few years ago, and I just interestingly > enought got an email from someone who had that experience, which > confirms it. > > Ozone therapy and homozone work with O3...and it is that extra number > that does the work. > > Hope this helps... > > ~^^V^^~ > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 " OBIE " <obie2@...> wrote: I've been reading the details at homozon.ebz.com and came to wonder if just plain oxygen from a tank and into the nose through those little clear tubes at night as we sleep wouldn't be just as effective as Homozon; maybe more. It sure wouldn't have the side effects; in fact, has no side effects, I don't believe. I think the same could be said for Ozone, probably. Obie. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Obie...I think I actually may be able to answer this one! Just plain O2 breathed in from a canister actually LOWERS blood oxygen. Ray Peat first told me this a few years ago, and I just interestingly enought got an email from someone who had that experience, which confirms it. Ozone therapy and homozone work with O3...and it is that extra number that does the work. Hope this helps... ~^^V^^~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 Obie, Vilik and All, About the relative effctiveness of ozone (O3) and oxygen (O2) for therapeutic purposes: It's my understanding through several years of association with Dr. Freibott (a recognized world authority on oxidative chemistry and oxygen therapy), that O1 (singlet oxygen) is the only form of oxygen that the body uses, and that the body must convert atmospheric oxygen from O2 to O1 at the cellular level before the oxygen is used in the body's metabolism, and that this process consumes energy and constitutes a limiting factor on oxygen availability to the body. Ozone (O3, or O2O) provides the body with a source of oxygen which is already in the form the body uses, and doesn't require the body to expend energy to convert it to that form. Therefore, products which provide oxygen to the body in that form are more effective than atmospheric oxygen (O2) at enabling the body to heal from conditions brought about through impairment of oxygen availability or metabolism, which, it seems, is most ailments -- it is hard to find any health impairment which isn't benefiicially treated by oxygen therapy -- a truly wide-spectrum therapy with almost nonexistent harmful side effects. So, the reason nascent or singlet oxygen, which is what you're getting with ozone, is so much more effective therapeutically than atmospheric oxygen is -- either breathed from the atmosphere or from an oxygen concentrator or medical oxygen tank -- is that it isn't subjected to the limitation of having to be converted by the body from O2 to O1 in order to be used in the body's metabolism. A dose of Homozon, say, loads the blood right up with ready-made O1, whereas breathing medical oxygen all night, while beneficial, never achieves the same levels of O1 availability to the body's cells. Green ~^~^~^~^ OBIE wrote: Now, Vilik, this is the first time I've had the opportunity to respond to you -- and I'm not finding fault, I'm just attempting to verify your advice, and I'm curious about what you've said. You see, my lady is a Registered Nurse and, in Hospital, they put a little instrument on the end of the finger which reads the blood oxygen. If the Doctor orders oxygen, they take the little clear tube coming from the medical grade oxygen supply on the wall and place it into the patient's nose and regulate the flow of oxygen with a knob on the flow valve. After several hours, they check the B/O and, if it's okay, they then take the tube away. Also, when they have an unborn baby in oxygen distress, they turn the flow way up high. The Mom gets the maximun amount and the baby really benefits. They verify this by checking the fetal monitor to see the heartbeat as it comes back up. Now, I wish you'd go back to your people with this info and verify what you were told so we can get the really straight scoop on this part of my question, please, because this answer is really important to me. Obie. Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen > > " OBIE " <obie2@...> wrote: > > > I've been reading the details at homozon.ebz.com and came to wonder if just > plain oxygen from a tank and into the nose through those little clear tubes > at night as we sleep wouldn't be just as effective as Homozon; maybe more. > It sure wouldn't have the side effects; in fact, has no side effects, I > don't believe. I think the same could be said for Ozone, probably. Obie. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oh Obie...I think I actually may be able to answer this one! > > Just plain O2 breathed in from a canister actually LOWERS blood oxygen. > Ray Peat first told me this a few years ago, and I just interestingly > enought got an email from someone who had that experience, which > confirms it. > > Ozone therapy and homozone work with O3...and it is that extra number > that does the work. > > Hope this helps... > > ~^^V^^~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Donna, I belive Homozon is an oxygenater, the bowel cleaning is just an added benifit! Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen I've been reading the details at homozon.ebz.com and came to wonder if just plain oxygen from a tank and into the nose through those little clear tubes at night as we sleep wouldn't be just as effective as Homozon; maybe more. It sure wouldn't have the side effects; in fact, has no side effects, I don't believe. I think the same could be said for Ozone, probably. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Obie, I would agree with both Vilik & green, that breathing O2 won't do the same as Homozon or ozone. But, there is another thing they didn't mention: Ozone in the body will destroy ANY pathogen it encounters or bind with any toxin, and when the blood is clean, it will then clean the lymph, followed by the cells. No form of simply breathing O2 will clean old toxins from cells this way, because ozone is NOT an oxygen therapy! This is a common misunderstanding. Ozone is an electro-therapy! It is its electrical charge that holds the extra O1 singlet to the O2, and it gives up this charge when that O1 singlet makes a reaction. The proof that ozone is different is that oxygen therapies are used as a control group in most ozone studies! So, no, there is no circumstance where simply breathing O2 will perform the same as Homozon or ozone! jim green1 wrote: > > Obie, Vilik and All, > > About the relative effctiveness of ozone (O3) and oxygen (O2) for > therapeutic purposes: > > It's my understanding through several years of association with > Dr. Freibott (a recognized world authority on oxidative chemistry > and oxygen therapy), that O1 (singlet oxygen) is the only form of > oxygen that the body uses, and that the body must convert > atmospheric oxygen from O2 to O1 at the cellular level before the > oxygen is used in the body's metabolism, and that this process > consumes energy and constitutes a limiting factor on oxygen > availability to the body. > > Ozone (O3, or O2O) provides the body with a source of oxygen > which is already in the form the body uses, and doesn't require > the body to expend energy to convert it to that form. > > Therefore, products which provide oxygen to the body in that form > are more effective than atmospheric oxygen (O2) at enabling the > body to heal from conditions brought about through impairment > of oxygen availability or metabolism, which, it seems, is most > ailments -- it is hard to find any health impairment which isn't > benefiicially treated by oxygen therapy -- a truly wide-spectrum > therapy with almost nonexistent harmful side effects. > > So, the reason nascent or singlet oxygen, which is what you're > getting with ozone, is so much more effective therapeutically than > atmospheric oxygen is -- either breathed from the atmosphere > or from an oxygen concentrator or medical oxygen tank -- is that > it isn't subjected to the limitation of having to be converted by the > body from O2 to O1 in order to be used in the body's metabolism. > > A dose of Homozon, say, loads the blood right up with ready-made > O1, whereas breathing medical oxygen all night, while beneficial, > never achieves the same levels of O1 availability to the body's cells. > > Green > > ~^~^~^~^ > > OBIE wrote: > > Now, Vilik, this is the first time I've had the opportunity to respond to > you -- and I'm not finding fault, I'm just attempting to verify your > advice, and I'm curious about what you've said. You see, my lady is a > Registered Nurse and, in Hospital, they put a little instrument on the end > of the finger which reads the blood oxygen. If the Doctor orders oxygen, > they take the little clear tube coming from the medical grade oxygen supply > on the wall and place it into the patient's nose and regulate the flow of > oxygen with a knob on the flow valve. After several hours, they check the > B/O and, if it's okay, they then take the tube away. Also, when they have > an unborn baby in oxygen distress, they turn the flow way up high. The Mom > gets the maximun amount and the baby really benefits. They verify this by > checking the fetal monitor to see the heartbeat as it comes back up. Now, I > wish you'd go back to your people with this info and verify what you were > told so we can get the really straight scoop on this part of my question, > please, because this answer is really important to me. Obie. > > Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen > > > > > " OBIE " <obie2@...> wrote: > > > > > > I've been reading the details at homozon.ebz.com and came to wonder if > just > > plain oxygen from a tank and into the nose through those little clear > tubes > > at night as we sleep wouldn't be just as effective as Homozon; maybe more. > > It sure wouldn't have the side effects; in fact, has no side effects, I > > don't believe. I think the same could be said for Ozone, probably. > Obie. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Oh Obie...I think I actually may be able to answer this one! > > > > Just plain O2 breathed in from a canister actually LOWERS blood oxygen. > > Ray Peat first told me this a few years ago, and I just interestingly > > enought got an email from someone who had that experience, which > > confirms it. > > > > Ozone therapy and homozone work with O3...and it is that extra number > > that does the work. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > ~^^V^^~ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Hey Charlie, Yes, I know that it is an oxygenator, but there are many other ways to get oxygen into the system. The whole point of doing homozon is to clean the bowel while oxygenating the system. If I just want oxygen in my system I will use Vit O and not have to deal with the bathroom heroics of Homozon. Smile. It is also a candida killer and parasite killer and bad bacteria killer etc. My only point was that, if you are just wanting to increase oxygen in the system there are many more pleasant ways than homozon to do it. For the people that I know who do homozon, the bowel cleaning is the main reason they take it. xox Donna Re: Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen Donna, I belive Homozon is an oxygenater, the bowel cleaning is just an added benifit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 I love this information. Helps me to know why homozon is so wonderful for the whole system. Thanks, Donna Re: Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen Obie, I would agree with both Vilik & green, that breathing O2 won't do the same as Homozon or ozone. But, there is another thing they didn't mention: Ozone in the body will destroy ANY pathogen it encounters or bind with any toxin, and when the blood is clean, it will then clean the lymph, followed by the cells. No form of simply breathing O2 will clean old toxins from cells this way, because ozone is NOT an oxygen therapy! This is a common misunderstanding. Ozone is an electro-therapy! It is its electrical charge that holds the extra O1 singlet to the O2, and it gives up this charge when that O1 singlet makes a reaction. The proof that ozone is different is that oxygen therapies are used as a control group in most ozone studies! So, no, there is no circumstance where simply breathing O2 will perform the same as Homozon or ozone! jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 What about breathing ozone directly with the Vapozone? That would induce the ozone O3 directly into the lungs and therefore directly saturating the blood. Comments? Dr. Eliezer Ben-ph Personal and Financial Freedom www.herbs4health.com (home page) www.successlinks.com/global-3 (financial freedom) www.16thamendment.com/global-3 (IRS income tax fraud) www.taxstatement.com/global-3 (IRS income tax fraud) Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words; they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character, it becomes your destiny. Re: Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Donna, It's why I love this list. Some of us have been here for 2-1/2 years, like Vilik & Saul & & Green & so many others. And, I still read new things in their posts all the time. I also notice where all of us have learned from others of us, so that now many of our minds seem to have settled on what we believe works, and is real. But, I caution all newcomers not to trust any of us just because we seem to be some kind of authority, and some of us agree! EVERYONE should be the senior partner in ALL decisions regarding their own health! This means that YOU will HAVE to LEARN what means what regarding your own health. As many listmembers have learned, this task is almost a no-brainer. Just read the posts about the disorders you are interested in, listen to ALL sides, and make up YOUR OWN mind! It's legal in all 50 states! THAT is freedom! According to the AMA, every year 3 million people are injured and 1/3 million are killed by properly prescribed medicines or doctor-caused incidents. And, it doesn't stop there. (But, I will, because that is bad enough!) In contrast, no one dies from naturopathic treatments every year. Allopaths claim many people die because they go to quack treatment from alternative practitioners. The truth is that, for the most part, the folks with terminal diseases that go to alternative practitioners are the ones whom allopathic medicine has given up on!!! They were sent home to die and in many cases alternative practitioners have saved their lives! As it should be! Humans striving to help humans and others! The Creator of Existence did NOT endow ONLY MD's with intelligence. In fact, in my own lifetime, I have met MANY MD's with a cool-room-temperature IQ and bad judgment! I have also met many lifesaving healers in allopathic garb! And, let's not ever forget that! They saved my life twice, in emergency situations.--- But, if you don't have a broken leg, weren't in a car wreck, and haven't been knifed or shot, then you have to be crazy to go to a doctor or a hospital! Your odds for survival go down when you do -- according to the AMA! And, in all this time, I have only seen one subject go by on this list that no one answered, or seemed to know anything about. And, that may have been only because the right person didn't read mail that day, or their HD crashed. Usually, anything people bring up gets dealt with in a normally competent manner. THAT's why I love this list! I am only moderator by accident of fate. From day one I have looked forward to handing this list over to someone else who understands controlled anarchy. Someday.... BTW, since I am not reading all of the mail lately, I invite any listmember to forward to me anything they think I should pay attention to. I'll do what needs doing, but it is spring, and there is a woman on my mind. :) jim Donna wrote: > > I love this information. Helps me to know why homozon is so wonderful for the whole system. > > Thanks, > Donna > ----- The TRUTH in 11 words: Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! -- anon jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Hi Donna, I take Homozon every day And it no longer causes the bathroom drama for me! It took about three months for it to stop. Now I just feel invigorated when I take it! I believe that if you don't get the colon clean you are wasting your time or just making other people a lot of money. If you are going to do it , do it right! XOXO back at yah!! Charlie XO{hehe} Re: Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen Donna, I belive Homozon is an oxygenater, the bowel cleaning is just an added benifit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 <<What about breathing ozone directly with the Vapozone? That would induce the ozone O3 directly into the lungs and therefore directly saturating the blood. Comments? Dr. Eliezer Ben-ph>> Hi Ben; That's what they do in Cuba in the trauma ward. It dramatically increases oxygenation right now, and can cure a lung infection very quickly. BUT you can only give a tiny shot of ozone with the oxygen because it is corrosive. ciao Duncan Crow --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.247 / Virus Database: 120 - Release Date: 4/6/01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 Where do you get Homozon? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 You can get Homozon from www.azurefarms.com or from ruthful@... jim " (GR) " wrote: > > Where do you get Homozon? > J ----- The TRUTH in 11 words: Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! -- anon jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 Donna, You are mistaken that Homozon is primarily a bowel cleanser. It is primarily an oxygenator, and the best consumable source available, according to Dr. Friebott. Yes, I know he owns the company, but he also tests every oxygenating product on the market for the amount of O2 it gets in the blood, and he says Homozon is the best. That is why he bought the company. It does clean bowels and everything else, eventually, but it is an oxygenator. And, the BM's associated with Homozon use are only in the first few months. jim Donna wrote: > > Hey Charlie, > > Yes, I know that it is an oxygenator, but there are many other ways to get oxygen into the system. The whole point of doing homozon is to clean the bowel while oxygenating the system. If I just want oxygen in my system I will use Vit O and not have to deal with the bathroom heroics of Homozon. Smile. It is also a candida killer and parasite killer and bad bacteria killer etc. > > My only point was that, if you are just wanting to increase oxygen in the system there are many more pleasant ways than homozon to do it. For the people that I know who do homozon, the bowel cleaning is the main reason they take it. > > xox Donna ----- The TRUTH in 11 words: Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! -- anon jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 Yes, Jim I am beginning to understand that. And the thing about the bowel cleansing effect only lasting a few months. . .Hum. Dr. Freibotts un-wife has been on it for years and still has loose bowels. She is taking 5 tsp a day. I guess it depends on the amount you take. I only take two tsp a day and still get a loose bowel from it. But it does seem to take more to get that effect. In the beginning only 1/4 tsp would result in looseness. So do you do homozon daily, And if yes, how long have you been taking it and how much do yo take and etc. I have only been on it a few months and I thought the bowel cleansing effect was the main function of it. Apparently not, from what you posted last week and then the below post of yours. Donna Re: Homozone -Vs- Direct Oxygen Donna, You are mistaken that Homozon is primarily a bowel cleanser. It is primarily an oxygenator, and the best consumable source available, according to Dr. Friebott. Yes, I know he owns the company, but he also tests every oxygenating product on the market for the amount of O2 it gets in the blood, and he says Homozon is the best. That is why he bought the company. It does clean bowels and everything else, eventually, but it is an oxygenator. And, the BM's associated with Homozon use are only in the first few months. jim Donna wrote: > > Hey Charlie, > > Yes, I know that it is an oxygenator, but there are many other ways to get oxygen into the system. The whole point of doing homozon is to clean the bowel while oxygenating the system. If I just want oxygen in my system I will use Vit O and not have to deal with the bathroom heroics of Homozon. Smile. It is also a candida killer and parasite killer and bad bacteria killer etc. > > My only point was that, if you are just wanting to increase oxygen in the system there are many more pleasant ways than homozon to do it. For the people that I know who do homozon, the bowel cleaning is the main reason they take it. > > xox Donna ----- The TRUTH in 11 words: Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! -- anon jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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