Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Just summoning the strength to sit here for a few minutes in hopes of recording my experience. Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help with vertigo. Last night I awoke with another episode, at exactly the same time as the previous one, 2:45 a.m. I'd had a good day, with no symptoms--I'd gone for a walk, done light housework, cooked breakfast and dinner, and spent the day working in my studio (I'm a painter). As I was cleaning up the kitchen after dinner I began to feel a little woozy and weak. I was washing out my paint brushes and thought " I just have to finish this, I can make it, then I'll lie down and this will go away. " But it didn't go away. I just kept feeling weaker and weaker. I went to bed and went to sleep easily around 10:00. At 2:45 I awoke. I knew instantly I was in trouble. I was weak, felt like jello, no strength in my legs. And I had a headache, which was a new symptom. This time I knew better than to jump out of bed and head for the bathroom. I lay there and simply observed my body, focusing on not panicking. I was shivering uncontrollably, as though I were freezing, but I wasn't really cold. My face felt like it was on fire. Even now, many hours later, my face is still red. My heart was pounding, but that could have been from fear. I managed to get up and go to the bathroom only by holding onto the walls to steady myself. It wasn't a room-spinning dizziness, milder than that, but enough to make me very cautious. The weakness was the scariest part. I decided this a.m. to see a doctor, fearing this would happen again on the weekend and that it could be serious. I was checked out by a local doctor--the one I'd seen on Wednesday was out of town and I felt I needed someone nearby in case this turned out to be an emergency situation. He did a tilt-table test and said I didn't have low blood pressure. He felt the dizziness might be from congestion in my ears and gave me a prescription (of course) for a decongestant, and some samples of an antihistamine. (I didn't use either of them). An EKG was normal. He said he felt this was probably a transient viral episode, but that if it isn't and the symptoms return (that's a laugh--they haven't left yet) I was looking at hospitalization and a long neurological work-up. I told him I'd have to be on my deathbed to submit to that, and even then I'd think twice. After 17 years and enough work-ups to stun an elephant, I know what they have to offer me--even today he told me the most prevalent symptom in CFS is depression--I'm tired of explaining that I'm not depressed. So that's the latest and if anyone has anything to add to previous observations/recommendations, I'll be watching for your posts. Meanwhile, I have some questions about what's been suggested so far. Sharon, you suggested using a brand called Standard Process and said I should be able to find a practitioner in my area who can provide this. What kind of practitioner are you suggesting? And btw, does anyone know anyone who might be able to provide truly useful help of some kind to someone in my situation--I live within driving distance of polis, Washington D.C. and Baltimore. And Jim, you suggested Dr. Schulze's cayenne. I have his catalog and it sounds like a fantastic product, but I've been having such problems with my digestion since I started deparasitizing, never before that. I figured cayenne would just about finish me off. I know the benefits are great, but how do I get it past my stomach? Even Dr. Schulze says it's really, really hot. It sounds like all the benefits would be just great for me, but I don't know how to get it down. Am I wrong in assuming it's going to be hot on the stomach? (I'm originally from Louisiana, so it's not like I'm a stranger to spicy food--it's just that there's lately been a problem.) As to the 3 to 5 glasses of apple cider vinegar & honey daily--do you mean straight vinegar, or diluted, and in what proportions and how many ounces? I use Bragg's apple cider vinegar, so I always have it on hand, and am ready to begin if I know how to fix it. I think that's about it. I'd better go lie down now. Thanks, everybody. Your support and information is so helpful. Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Hi Peggy, One thing jumped out at me--------what about an allergy to the materials you use in your studio? I'm sure you " don't want to hear it " , I wouldn't either. But it almost seems too obvious! there are others on this list who can 'lead' you through those possibilities far better than I. BTW, hypofunctioning adrenals are part of the allergy picture---always. SP products are almost always sold by alternative health practitioners, chiropractors, for instance. The home office for SP is 800-848-5061 and they can tell you who's available in your area. You might even be able to place an order with them directly, not sure. If they want to know who your practitioner is, tell them Sharon sey. I'll bet Jim Lambert knows some good practitioners in the areas you mentioned. Keep us posted! Sharon Tim and/or Peggy Walters wrote: > > Just summoning the strength to sit here for a few minutes in hopes of recording my experience. Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help with vertigo. Last night I awoke with another episode, at exactly the same time as the previous one, 2:45 a.m. I'd had a good day, with no symptoms--I'd gone for a walk, done light housework, cooked breakfast and dinner, and spent the day working in my studio (I'm a painter). As I was cleaning up the kitchen after dinner I began to feel a little woozy and weak. I was washing out my paint brushes and thought " I just have to finish this, I can make it, then I'll lie down and this will go away. " But it didn't go away. I just kept feeling weaker and weaker. I went to bed and went to sleep easily around 10:00. At 2:45 I awoke. I knew instantly I was in trouble. I was weak, felt like jello, no strength in my legs. And I had a headache, which was a new symptom. This time I knew better than to jump out of bed and head for the bathroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Hi Sharon, What jumped out at you had just been called to my attention by another group member who wrote to me privately. You're right--there's nothing I'd rather hear less. I live to paint. But you're also right, it's blindingly obvious that this might be the problem. I hadn't even thought of it. I've been out of my studio since December because of being so ill. After months of parasite cleansing, I finally had enough energy to return to work. Tuesday night when I had the first attack I'd spent the day in my studio. I was out of the studio all day Wednesday from illness, but felt fine on Thursday and returned to work. I promptly had another spell on Thursday night. Oh no! Say it isn't so. What on earth will I do? There must be some solution besides giving up my vocation and my passion for art. Help, help, help! Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 I would like to know what foods contain glutathione. Thanks Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 don't quote me on this but i think dairy products contain or provide building blocks. someone else on this list mentioned watermelon or avocado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Dear Peggy, Oh My!! There are about as many theories, methods, 'cures' for allergies as there are stars in the sky. I am a researcher more than a practitioner. Because of personal/family health issues I have focused mostly of late on metabolic balancing. My son was my 'allergic' child, seasonally in misery, and subject to reactions to chemicals. When he was in his sr yr of high school I had learned enough to know that I needed to change the 'field' so that he could no longer have a body chemistry that would react. This was successfully accomplished within the course of one year. Basically, I had learned (this was in the early 80s) that a body pH that was too alkaline would result in a body that was susceptible to allergic reaction. I discovered the beginnings of metabolic typing and that my son, and almost every allergic type person was parasympathetic dominant (this is one side of the autonomic nervous system). People who are sympathetic dominant (more acidic) never have allergies! But they are the ones susceptible to diabetes, cancer and other serious problems. " Parasymps " can live a lot longer but the quality of life may not be worth it! Parasymps (I am one) tend to lo bp, hypoglycemia, allergies, any problem ending with " itis " . That's a capsulated overview, for sure. sounds like your system has been dealt some major blows and is in a weakened state, thus susceptible to many chemicals that a stronger body would take in stride. you will most likely receive many different ideas/theories from our wonderful list buddies, and perhaps one theory more than others will resonate with you the most. I can point you to several websites that deal with metabolic balancing, should you want to pursue this way of healing/strengthening your body and it's chemistry. No matter what, you will end up with 'homework' (reading) to do! I would be a lot more comfortable knowing that you could follow a 'system' that has a successful history, rather than piecemeal ideas, as wonderful as each might sound. I still, privately, take a somewhat 'jaundiced' view of this emphasis on cleansing, deparasitizing, especially for one in your weakened condition. I feel the body, our livers, and other organs are a lot more resilient than folks think. But when a chemistry has gotten really whacked out it's time to find out where the imbalances are. Oh, forgot to mention that parasymps are also characterized by weak adrenals, very much so. I don't know how much anatomical knoweledge you may have, but the vagus nerve is the parasympathetic controller and it runs the length of the 'trunk'---which is why chiropractic can frequently help as impinged nerves are connected to the vagus (central) nerve. If the nerves leading to the lungs, for instance, are impinged or in some way weakened we will find asthma, which is only found in parasympathetic dominance and is always accompanied by an alkaline state in the lungs. I supplemented my son with natural acidifiers to overcome the alkaline/parasymp dominance. but he was a teenager in otherwise very good health, a top athlete. having said all that, I will tell you now that I am switching (well, trying to get there) my emphasis for many years on physical imbalances, to understand the 'spirit' imbalance that I believe comes first, thus opening us up to the physical problem. I'm far from 'there' but my understanding is growing as I seek for answers. But we are definitly tripartite beings, spirit, mind and body, and it's impossible to be unbalanced in only one area. So, between my email, and doubtless others from the list, you should have a lot to chew on for awhile! Hopefully I've given you an idea of where I'm coming from, and other than a cerificate in nutrition from U of Penn, I have no shingle to hang out, and no 'practice' to speak of. Other listers are far more experienced than I, I'm sure. If I can help you, answer questions, let me know. In the meantime, my prayers are with you! Sharon Tim and/or Peggy Walters wrote: > > Hi Sharon, What jumped out at you had just been called to my attention by another group member who wrote to me privately. You're right--there's nothing I'd rather hear less. I live to paint. But you're also right, it's blindingly obvious that this might be the problem. I hadn't even thought of it. I've been out of my studio since December because of being so ill. After months of parasite cleansing, I finally had enough energy to return to work. Tuesday night when I had the first attack I'd spent the day in my studio. I was out of the studio all day Wednesday from illness, but felt fine on Thursday and returned to work. I promptly had another spell on Thursday night. Oh no! Say it isn't so. What on earth will I do? There must be some solution besides giving up my vocation and my passion for art. Help, help, help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Sharon wrote: > > Dear Peggy, And Sharon thought she was replying privately to Peggy!! Oof! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Dear Peggy, Painters notoriously have buildups of chemicals in their livers. Because you wake between 1 and 3 am, which is liver time, I am sure that is where your problem lies. You could try some coffee enemas. Use organic coffee, and make about a quart. Retain it for about 15 minutes if you can. There is an ozone sauna clinic in Washington DC. Email me privately if you want the number. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH another vertigo episode > Just summoning the strength to sit here for a few minutes in hopes of recording my experience. Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help with vertigo. Last night I awoke with another episode, at exactly the same time as the previous one, 2:45 a.m. I'd had a good day, with no symptoms--I'd gone for a walk, done light housework, cooked breakfast and dinner, and spent the day working in my studio (I'm a painter). As I was cleaning up the kitchen after dinner I began to feel a little woozy and weak. I was washing out my paint brushes and thought " I just have to finish this, I can make it, then I'll lie down and this will go away. " But it didn't go away. I just kept feeling weaker and weaker. I went to bed and went to sleep easily around 10:00. At 2:45 I awoke. I knew instantly I was in trouble. I was weak, felt like jello, no strength in my legs. And I had a headache, which was a new symptom. This time I knew better than to jump out of bed and head for the bathroom. I lay there and simply observed my body, focusing on not panicking. I was shivering uncontrollably, as though I were freezing, but I wasn't really cold. My face felt like it was on fire. Even now, many hours later, my face is still red. My heart was pounding, but that could have been from fear. I managed to get up and go to the bathroom only by holding onto the walls to steady myself. It wasn't a room-spinning dizziness, milder than that, but enough to make me very cautious. The weakness was the scariest part. > > I decided this a.m. to see a doctor, fearing this would happen again on the weekend and that it could be serious. I was checked out by a local doctor--the one I'd seen on Wednesday was out of town and I felt I needed someone nearby in case this turned out to be an emergency situation. He did a tilt-table test and said I didn't have low blood pressure. He felt the dizziness might be from congestion in my ears and gave me a prescription (of course) for a decongestant, and some samples of an antihistamine. (I didn't use either of them). An EKG was normal. He said he felt this was probably a transient viral episode, but that if it isn't and the symptoms return (that's a laugh--they haven't left yet) I was looking at hospitalization and a long neurological work-up. I told him I'd have to be on my deathbed to submit to that, and even then I'd think twice. After 17 years and enough work-ups to stun an elephant, I know what they have to offer me--even today he told me the most prevalent symptom in CFS is depression--I'm tired of explaining that I'm not depressed. > > So that's the latest and if anyone has anything to add to previous observations/recommendations, I'll be watching for your posts. Meanwhile, I have some questions about what's been suggested so far. Sharon, you suggested using a brand called Standard Process and said I should be able to find a practitioner in my area who can provide this. What kind of practitioner are you suggesting? And btw, does anyone know anyone who might be able to provide truly useful help of some kind to someone in my situation--I live within driving distance of polis, Washington D.C. and Baltimore. > > And Jim, you suggested Dr. Schulze's cayenne. I have his catalog and it sounds like a fantastic product, but I've been having such problems with my digestion since I started deparasitizing, never before that. I figured cayenne would just about finish me off. I know the benefits are great, but how do I get it past my stomach? Even Dr. Schulze says it's really, really hot. It sounds like all the benefits would be just great for me, but I don't know how to get it down. Am I wrong in assuming it's going to be hot on the stomach? (I'm originally from Louisiana, so it's not like I'm a stranger to spicy food--it's just that there's lately been a problem.) > > As to the 3 to 5 glasses of apple cider vinegar & honey daily--do you mean straight vinegar, or diluted, and in what proportions and how many ounces? I use Bragg's apple cider vinegar, so I always have it on hand, and am ready to begin if I know how to fix it. > > I think that's about it. I'd better go lie down now. Thanks, everybody. Your support and information is so helpful. > > Peggy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Jim, I use oils and I've been using a citrus based solvent which I'd read was safe but I've now located an odorless mineral spirits which is extremely safe so I can switch to that. How do I connect with a distributor of the Australian paints? I've tried acrylics and can't stand them--wish I liked them but they totally lack the wonderful properties that make me love oil painting. Thanks. Peggy another vertigo episode > > > Just summoning the strength to sit here for a few minutes in hopes of > recording my experience. Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help > with vertigo. Last night I awoke with another episode, at exactly the same ----- carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2001 Report Share Posted August 28, 2001 Peggy, My 82 year old mom is also a painter. I wonder what medium you pain with? Do you use oils? My mom uses Turpenoid Natural instead of turpentine, with oils. And poppy seed, or safflower seed, oils can be substituted too. She says Chroma Archival products, from Australia, have never given her a reaction. And, if you use acrylics, they are the safest. These are just a few suggestions she made. jim > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH > another vertigo episode > > > Just summoning the strength to sit here for a few minutes in hopes of > recording my experience. Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help > with vertigo. Last night I awoke with another episode, at exactly the same ----- carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2001 Report Share Posted August 28, 2001 Peggy, Mom gets the Chroma products from Jerry's Artarama. The oil itself is called Archival Lean Medium http://www.jerryscatalog.com jim Tim and/or Peggy Walters wrote: > > Jim, I use oils and I've been using a citrus based solvent which I'd read was safe but I've now located an odorless mineral spirits which is extremely safe so I can switch to that. How do I connect with a distributor of the Australian paints? I've tried acrylics and can't stand them--wish I liked them but they totally lack the wonderful properties that make me love oil painting. > > Thanks. > > Peggy > ----- Original Message ----- ----- carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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