Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 LET ME KNOW ALSO. I KNOW WHAT POSITIVE REINFOCREMENT IS! YOU REALLY CAN NOT PUNISH THESE KIDS. YOU HAVE TO SHOW THEM A POSITIVE WAY TO DEAL WITH THINGS. I HAVE TRIED SPANKING ,AND A FEW OTHERS IT DOES NOT WORK JUST BREAKS MY HEART WHEN I DID IT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Positive punishment, although it sounds like an oxymoron really isn't "positive" in the traditional sense. In behavioral terms, Positive (or Type I) Punishment is when a stimulus presented immediately following a behavior, decreases the likelihood that the behavior will occur again in the future. Keep in mind that this means that something is only punishment if it decreases future occurrences of the behavior. This goes the same for reinforcement it is defined by it's effect on behavior (increase). So in behavioral terms: positive = adding something negative= taking something away reinforcement= increase in behavior punishment- decrease in behavior I hope this is clear. -Jannine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 -- I think this is called " overcorrection " carla - In autism , LornaBerry@a... wrote: > Thought I'd throw my two cents in... For example Kid picks up entire bowl of > lite- Brite pegs (yes ...CB did this ) Throws them saying IM RICH ! Granny > says Oh OH...we better pick up our lite brite pegs, before we step on them and > get an Ouchy...CB ignores the Granny. Granny says to CB...CB pick up your pegs > please. Starts to pick them up but begrudgingly.. Granny says Good Boy CB ! > Your doing a good job ! When you finish we'll paint... Wait until ALL pegs are > picked up. > > CB's Granny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I have a teen age daughter with pddnos, and I am not very experienced in behavior modification, but I heard that if children don't care about reinforcement,we need to induce a little deprivation:... for example, if children are hungry, food become very reinforcing.... carla > Ok, can I bounce this one off you guys? I have a 4 year old autistic child > who we have a VERY hard time getting to do ANYTHING. We've tried positive > (rewards, motivation - go to the park, etc), negative (loss of privileges, > punishment, spanking, yelling, etc.). It seems he doesn't care about > anything enough to respond to that as a reinforcement. I've done the below > and I kid you now, we played the waiting game for 4 hour and things STILL > weren't picked up. It seems like in order to get him to do anything, I have > to yell at him until he cries - and it breaks my heart every single time. > > > > Here is a scenario that happens all the time in this house. > > > > Me: " Liam, I need you to. " > > Liam: " Mama, I want to. " > > Me: " You may . after you . " > > Liam: *sits there and does nothing* > > Me: " Liam, if you would like to., then I need you to. " " Do you understand > what I said to you " > > Liam: Yeah *nothing* > > Me: " Can you tell me what it is you need to do before you can .? " > > Liam: " Yes, I need to. " > > Me: " That's great that you understand - now you need to actually do it " > > Liam: *nothing* (and this is the point at which I decide it's a battle of > wills, but it lasts hours " > > > > He has and will waste several hours sitting in one spot in order to avoid > doing something I asked him to. I usually just go about my business and on > days where we do not have anything to do or anywhere to be, but there are > days where we are on a schedule and he still refuses to do things we need > done to get out the door. So, I end up yelling, he ends up crying (but he > did what I originally asked), we both feel awful and we're usually late. > > > > Is this normal for an autistic child? Is this simply 4 year old behavior? > Is this behavior of a strong-willed child who is reacting to a strong-willed > mother? > > > > What is the best way to handle this behavior? We were considering making a > ladder and matching privileges to each run of that ladder and he can choose > to move up the ladder by being cooperative or he can choose to move down the > ladder by not being cooperative? > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Alese > > > > _____ > > From: LornaBerry@a... [mailto:LornaBerry@a...] > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:00 PM > autism > Subject: Re: Re: positive punishment > > > > Thought I'd throw my two cents in... For example Kid picks up entire bowl of > lite- Brite pegs (yes ...CB did this ) Throws them saying IM RICH ! Granny > says Oh OH...we better pick up our lite brite pegs, before we step on them > and get an Ouchy...CB ignores the Granny. Granny says to CB...CB pick up > your pegs please. Starts to pick them up but begrudgingly.. Granny says Good > Boy CB ! Your doing a good job ! When you finish we'll paint... Wait until > ALL pegs are picked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 ---maybe he is thirsty sometimes, does he care about juice, water, ecc.? What happens if something (food,the summer) makes him thirsty carla In autism , " Alese " <alese@m...> wrote: > Actually, I have tried that too. He is SUCH a picky eater that he doesn't > really care if he eats or not. He will skip dinner and not even bat an eye, > he'll then turn his nose up at breakfast and balk at lunch. Nothing > motivates him enough to comply - even the basics of life. He will let his > diaper get soooo dirty that it falls off. He will sit in a poopy diaper for > hours and not even bat an eye. That's why this is so frustrating - he just > doesn't care. > > > > Alese > > > > _____ > > From: minolfa [mailto:rapaccini.carlo@t...] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:23 AM > autism > Subject: Re: positive punishment > > > > > > I have a teen age daughter with pddnos, and I am not very > experienced in behavior modification, but I heard that > if children don't care about reinforcement,we need to induce > a little deprivation:... for example, if children are hungry, > food become very reinforcing.... > carla > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? M=294855.5468653.6549235.3001176/D=grphealth > /S=:HM/A=2376776/rand=527119040> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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