Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I was feeling better this morning then after taking my vitamins (fish oil, 200 mg Magnesium Malate, 2000 msg liquid B-12 Methylcobalamin (under tongue), and one glass of water mixed with one Tbs of Bragg's Raw Apple Cider Vinegar with 1/4 tsp honey mixed into it. I've been doing this daily for about ten days but today and everything seemed OK. But while I was drinking the apple cider vinegar water my blood pressure shot up to 160/101. I was getting ready to take a clonidine pill but waited another minute and if finally went down to 145/95. It's down to 135/97. I took 2.5 mg of Enalapril this morning at 8:00 am and was fine until about a half hour ago. Maybe I should take the other half of the Enalapril??? Is any of the vitamins or the Apple Cider Vinegar something that could trigger this to happen? Any comments would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Guess you are testing this for us. Keep us posted. Many things increase and decrease BP quickly. You will go nuts trying to figure all of these out. What you want to change is the average seated am BP before meds. Taken 3 x and averaging the last 2. Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD Specializing in Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in population's today. On Thursday, July 16, 2009, at 11:02AM, "deafiegb" <dmw@...> wrote: > I was feeling better this morning then after taking my vitamins (fish oil, 200 mg Magnesium Malate, 2000 msg liquid B-12 Methylcobalamin (under tongue), and one glass of water mixed with one Tbs of Bragg's Raw Apple Cider Vinegar with 1/4 tsp honey mixed into it. I've been doing this daily for about ten days but today and everything seemed OK. But while I was drinking the apple cider vinegar water my blood pressure shot up to 160/101. I was getting ready to take a clonidine pill but waited another minute and if finally went down to 145/95. It's down to 135/97. I took 2.5 mg of Enalapril this morning at 8:00 am and was fine until about a half hour ago. Maybe I should take the other half of the Enalapril??? Is any of the vitamins or the Apple Cider Vinegar something that could trigger this to happen? Any comments would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered it, right???? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Not aware of those, but anything that triggers IBS can raise BP significantly. Regards Re: BP shot up to 160/101 Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered it, right???? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 When I was doing intensive study, I took BP 4x/d, averaged them daily, and then averaged everything with a 7-day moving average. My BP was always highest at 5 p.m. Now, I take it only at 5 p.m. I know that will be my max BP for the day. I still do the 7-day moving average. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of lowerbp2 Guess you are testing this for us. Keep us posted. Many things increase and decrease BP quickly. You will go nuts trying to figure all of these out. What you want to change is the average seated am BP before meds. Taken 3 x and averaging the last 2. Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MDSpecializing in Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in population's today. On Thursday, July 16, 2009, at 11:02AM, " deafiegb " <dmw@...> wrote: I was feeling better this morning then after taking my vitamins (fish oil, 200 mg Magnesium Malate, 2000 msg liquid B-12 Methylcobalamin (under tongue), and one glass of water mixed with one Tbs of Bragg's Raw Apple Cider Vinegar with 1/4 tsp honey mixed into it. I've been doing this daily for about ten days but today and everything seemed OK. But while I was drinking the apple cider vinegar water my blood pressure shot up to 160/101. I was getting ready to take a clonidine pill but waited another minute and if finally went down to 145/95. It's down to 135/97. I took 2.5 mg of Enalapril this morning at 8:00 am and was fine until about a half hour ago. Maybe I should take the other half of the Enalapril??? Is any of the vitamins or the Apple Cider Vinegar something that could trigger this to happen? Any comments would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Not likely anything there. Everyone is different. You need to test and retest each item till you decide if it is changing your BP. Then you will need to test various combinations. Keep us posted.My guess is that if I drank a glass of raw apple cider vinegar my pressure might come up as might the vinegar.CE Grim MD.On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:37 PM, deafiegb wrote:Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered it, right???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Just to be clear, it was one tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with 1/4 tsp honey and 12 oz of water. I've been doing this for about ten days now. I don't think that's what triggered the high bp, although, a few days ago while I was drinking acv my bp did go up a little bit but nothing like it did yesterday. Maybe the acid has some kind of an effect on it possibly. From everything I've read raw acv is supposed to be helpful in bringing blood pressure down, so I would be surprised if it actually had the opposite effect, but who knows. To be on the safe side, I think I'm going to avoid it for a few days and see what happens. > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered > > it, right???? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Please find the clinical trials that show that vinegar reduces BP.I know of none.You want a double blinded trail (tough to do with vinegar) that lasts for at least 6 weeks and then for say 5 years and that shows that those who got the real stuff had fewer strokes, MIs CHF and renal failure. They you will be talking.CE Grim, MDOn Jul 17, 2009, at 6:51 AM, deafiegb wrote: Just to be clear, it was one tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with 1/4 tsp honey and 12 oz of water. I've been doing this for about ten days now. I don't think that's what triggered the high bp, although, a few days ago while I was drinking acv my bp did go up a little bit but nothing like it did yesterday. Maybe the acid has some kind of an effect on it possibly. From everything I've read raw acv is supposed to be helpful in bringing blood pressure down, so I would be surprised if it actually had the opposite effect, but who knows. To be on the safe side, I think I'm going to avoid it for a few days and see what happens. > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered > > it, right???? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim. > > > > > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there > > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have > > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw > > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered > > > > it, right???? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Did you just go off Metropolol? If they didn't taper, and even if it did, that will spike your BP. It has certainly been spiking mine. Pulse has gone back to the 70s (which is a good thing for the Libido), although BP is up. My endo fellow was going to bump up the Verapamil on Monday anyway - so we did it a few days earlier to take care of the change. For my Salt Supression retest they changed Calcium Channel blockers from Norvasc to Verapamil, are taking me off both ACE inhibitors (no ACE to inhibit anyway), and the Metropolol. I am continuing with Hytrin and they are adding another drug that escapes me at the moment. The Urine and the Salt Suppression are in two weeks (peeing Sunday 2nd, Saline IV Monday 3rd). AVS with 3 day hospital stay sometime in August and if positive, Surgery in September. Bindner From: deafiegb <dmw@...>Subject: Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronism Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 the other drug I am starting Monday is Hydrolazine. Anyone with any experience with this one? Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yeah, I was on Metoprolol for about two or three weeks. Only used 50mg, 25 in the am and 25 in the pm. Doctor felt since it was lose dose I would do fine by making an immediate switch without tapering. Pharmacist agreed. Maybe that is what caused my bp to spike, not tapering and starting the Enalapril immediately, who knows? So far today I feel stable and fairly good. I did a little walking to see how much I could endure in an air conditioned store for about 30 minutes. Had to walk slow (mostly due to lower left side abdominal pain) but I did alright. I'm home now and feeling pretty exhausted but still feeling fairly good. If I continue to feel like this for the rest of the day I would call it a good day. Thanks for your input . > > > > > > > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there > > > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have > > > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw > > > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered > > > > > it, right???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Interesting. I do have IBS so that's something I will need to keep and eye on and do some investigating on. Thanks for sharing. > > Not aware of those, but anything that triggers IBS can raise BP > significantly. > > Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Excellent. We await your data. Unblinded unfortunately I presume.CE Grim MDOn Jul 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, deafiegb wrote: Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim. > > > > > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there > > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have > > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw > > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered > > > > it, right???? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Sounds like they may be doing the Grim Weinberger test?CE Grim MDOn Jul 17, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Bindner wrote: Did you just go off Metropolol? If they didn't taper, and even if it did, that will spike your BP. It has certainly been spiking mine. Pulse has gone back to the 70s (which is a good thing for the Libido), although BP is up. My endo fellow was going to bump up the Verapamil on Monday anyway - so we did it a few days earlier to take care of the change. For my Salt Supression retest they changed Calcium Channel blockers from Norvasc to Verapamil, are taking me off both ACE inhibitors (no ACE to inhibit anyway), and the Metropolol. I am continuing with Hytrin and they are adding another drug that escapes me at the moment. The Urine and the Salt Suppression are in two weeks (peeing Sunday 2nd, Saline IV Monday 3rd). AVS with 3 day hospital stay sometime in August and if positive, Surgery in September. Bindner From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronism Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Hydralazine is the spelling. Used it for about 20 (1964 to 1984) years till ACEs and ARBs came out. Usually needs to be given with BB to keep heart rate from going up and to prevent headaches. Good combo and cheap.Keep us posted.CE Grim MDOn Jul 17, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Bindner wrote: the other drug I am starting Monday is Hydrolazine. Anyone with any experience with this one? Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Does that mean that they will be collecting my pee during the salt suppression? Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 No BB, due to impending salt suppression. They are using Valapremil instead, which is a CC blocker. Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I would hope they do. Ask them to at least collect how much you pee during the saline infusion. If it it at least a liter or more they give you this is considered a + Dr. Grim's quick cheap saline test. The more you pee during the saline the more likely you have PA. This is because PAs have excaped from the salt retention do to excess aldo and dump the saline out as fast as it goes in but at a higher pressure. CE Grim MDOn Jul 17, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Bindner wrote: Does that mean that they will be collecting my pee during the salt suppression? Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Last time I did the test I was a bit altered and my BP was up. It take it this is normal for PA? Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Altered means different things to different species. I think you are not speaking as a dog?What do you mean by altered?On Jul 17, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Bindner wrote: Last time I did the test I was a bit altered and my BP was up. It take it this is normal for PA? Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 In an altered state of consciousness. Its a term in clinical psychology. Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 That sounds better.On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Bindner wrote: In an altered state of consciousness. Its a term in clinical psychology. Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 At least better than the alternative you though of. Now, if I have a bad reaction to Spiro, they might as well do it the way you suggested - but I'm hoping my adrenal tumor (2 cm) is hormonal so that they can lop out the adrenal (rather than Mr. Happy). Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Well you would still have one left eithier way. Would be good if it is "unilateral". AVS only way to be certain.On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Bindner wrote: At least better than the alternative you though of. Now, if I have a bad reaction to Spiro, they might as well do it the way you suggested - but I'm hoping my adrenal tumor (2 cm) is hormonal so that they can lop out the adrenal (rather than Mr. Happy). Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com From: deafiegb <dmwbrightok (DOT) net>Subject: [hyperaldosteronism ] Re: BP shot up to 160/101hyperaldosteronismDate: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:56 AM Well, I certainly know of no clinical trials that could support that acv reduces bp. I'm not saying there is any medical proof that acv lowers bp, just a lot of information available (right or wrong) that it's supposed to help. But, whether acv actually does lower bp or not isn't really the point to me, I just want to know if taking one tbs of acv in 12 oz of water *could* have possibly caused my blood pressure spike. From what you and others have said, I guess we don't really know the answer to that. Like you said, test and retest each item and see if I can identify what's causing it. That's exactly what I'm going to do now that you've suggested it. For the next few days I'm not going to take acv and see if any of the other vitamins I take trigger it or not. Thanks for your input Dr. Grim.> > >> > > > Glad to be your guinea pig here. ; ) Seriously tho, is there> > > > anything I took this morning that you are aware of that could have> > > > triggered this? Seems the B-12, fish oil, magnesium tablet raw> > > > apple cider vinegar, and all that stuff should not have triggered> > > > it, right????> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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