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> With the hinged knee brace, I can walk, even scoop an 80-pound husky off

the

> floor into my arms. But my knee aches after walking a couple of blocks

> (this morning) or after a long day, and my knee ROM is maybe 80 degrees.

Update: 6-block walk this morning was pain-free. Limp is less pronounced,

it feels like I wouldn't be limping at all if I took off the knee brace.

Not that that's going to happen before my orthopedist visit next week.

Driving was pain-free too this morning. I love progress.

>

> Any advice, anyone? I'll probably try (light!) deadlifting Monday....

If 135 is easy, maybe 225. Still only about half 1RM.

>

> Next orthopedist visit is 11/7.

Or, cough, 11/6. Oops.

Kurland, Austin and Chicago

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Just a guess, but you can try backward walking or

dragging as a form of rehab or a supplement to your

training.

Sorry to hear of the injury,

Pete Arroyo

Chicago,Il

--- Kurland <skurland@...>

wrote:

> I tore my MCL and maybe ACL two weeks ago quarter

> squatting. Ambulance,

> emergency room, splint, (unfilled) Vicodin

> prescription, crutches,

> ibuprofen, RICE, follow-up visit to orthopedist,

> X-rays, hinged knee brace,

> rehab.

>

> Noise removal breathing works better than ibuprofen

> for pain relief, and

> narcotics scare me. Nothing seems to work better as

> an anti-inflammatory

> than RICE and light exercise: walking, standing,

> shallow (!) knee bends....

>

> With the hinged knee brace, I can walk, even scoop

> an 80-pound husky off the

> floor into my arms. But my knee aches after walking

> a couple of blocks

> (this morning) or after a long day, and my knee ROM

> is maybe 80 degrees.

>

> Any advice, anyone? I'll probably try (light!)

> deadlifting Monday....

>

> Next orthopedist visit is 11/7.

>

>

> Kurland, Austin and Chicago

>

>

>

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> --- Kurland <skurland@...>

> wrote:

> > I tore my MCL and maybe ACL two weeks ago

Two weeks only,,, normal healing will take 4-6 at least. I recommend not

stress it to much during this time. Allow the collagen matrix to set up than

slowly stress to promote strengthening. Give it a chance to heal itself.

Parks, DC

Phoenix, AZ

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<<<From: " Kurland " <skurland@...>

I tore my MCL and maybe ACL two weeks ago quarter squatting. Ambulance,

emergency room, splint, (unfilled) Vicodin prescription, crutches,

ibuprofen, RICE, follow-up visit to orthopedist, X-rays, hinged knee brace,

rehab.

SNIP

Kurland, Austin and Chicago>>>>>>>>

I'm surprised one would tear the ACL quarter squatting, unless you were

seriously mistracking during your descending portion. Can you give us some

specifics on what happened?

I would steer clear of squats, lunges, and leg presses for quite some time.

What does your orthopedist recommend?

Good luck.

Regards,

Lester Long

New York, NY

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Re: Knee rehab question.

>> --- Kurland <skurland@...>

>> wrote:

>> > I tore my MCL and maybe ACL two weeks ago

>

> Two weeks only,,, normal healing will take 4-6 at least. I recommend not

> stress it to much during this time. Allow the collagen matrix to set up

than

> slowly stress to promote strengthening. Give it a chance to heal itself.

has a history of pushing himself beyond his limits. That's how he

hurt himself in the first place.

(the ninja of nice)

Yardley, PA, USA

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> >> > I tore my MCL and maybe ACL two weeks ago

> >

> > Two weeks only,,, normal healing will take 4-6 at least. I recommend not

> > stress it to much during this time. Allow the collagen matrix to set up

> than

> > slowly stress to promote strengthening. Give it a chance to heal itself.

>

> has a history of pushing himself beyond his limits. That's how he

> hurt himself in the first place.

>

> (the ninja of nice)

> Yardley, PA, USA

My limits are only obvious to me after I've passed them, unfortunately.

This is the worst I've ever hurt myself, though not the worst I've ever been

hurt; maybe I'll learn wisdom from it.

Maybe not: I miss squatting very much, and hope for that reason if no other

that my ACL is undamaged. For now, though, while my normal daily activities

are still possible, I'm doing almost no real exercise except benching - the

thought of dropping exhausted from a chin bar, for example, scares me, and

my strong preference for " Stand on your feet and hold the bar in your hands "

leaves me unenthused for, say, sitting dumbbell curls or overhead presses.

When I see my orthopedist on the sixth I'm going to ask about good mornings

and sldls - the (unweighted) movements don't hurt at all, unlike, say,

testing my (unweighted) squat ROM.

Anyone care to suggest a list of free weight exercises that put no stress on

the knee? I miss side bends and suitcase deads, for example: I can do

crunches - even with my 100# hex dumbbell wrapped in a towel on my chest -

forever and weighted sit-ups until my knee starts to hurt. High-rep

weighted crunches, in fact, are currently the closest I can come to aerobic

exercise - fifteen minutes of crunches leave me breathing harder than taking

the dogs for a fifteen minute, um, limp, and I'm not willing to risk

swimming yet. I can do reverse trunk twists for a little while with my

hinged knee brace on, but I obviously can't weight them, so except for

flexibility they're useless. I'm weaker EVERYWHERE - my max bench has

dropped 30#, at least partly because I can't drive into the floor and arch.

What do you think of EZ-bar bent-arm pullovers?

Having no real physical outlet has drastically improved my juggling, anyway:

new tricks since the 14th include slams, chops, high/low shower, swap box

and swap 441, 4-ball shower and box and reverse fountains, fork twists,

tosses, and exchanges; plus some sleight-of-hand stuff I've only done

previously with ball bearings and can now do with Nord numbers balls

(www.jugglingthingies.homestead.com/files/numbers.htm): 3 palms, 5 vanishes,

recovery, acquitment, finger roll, productions... can't elevator at all with

numbers balls, and it's not as impressive a list as it seems, I already knew

the sleights, just on different props. And the juggling tricks, at least

some of them I was working on before the 14th, I just hadn't gotten them

yet. Nothing like big chunks of practice time....

Kurland, Austin and Chicago

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Re: Knee rehab question.

> >> > I tore my MCL and maybe ACL two weeks ago

> >

> > Two weeks only,,, normal healing will take 4-6 at least. I recommend not

> > stress it to much during this time. Allow the collagen matrix to set up

> than

> > slowly stress to promote strengthening. Give it a chance to heal itself.

>

> has a history of pushing himself beyond his limits. That's how he

> hurt himself in the first place.

>

> (the ninja of nice)

> Yardley, PA, USA

" My limits are only obvious to me after I've passed them, unfortunately.

This is the worst I've ever hurt myself, though not the worst I've ever been

hurt; maybe I'll learn wisdom from it.

Maybe not: I miss squatting very much, and hope for that reason if no other

that my ACL is undamaged. For now, though, while my normal daily activities

are still possible, I'm doing almost no real exercise except benching - the

thought of dropping exhausted from a chin bar, for example, scares me, and

my strong preference for " Stand on your feet and hold the bar in your hands "

leaves me unenthused for, say, sitting dumbbell curls or overhead presses.

When I see my orthopedist on the sixth I'm going to ask about good mornings

and sldls - the (unweighted) movements don't hurt at all, unlike, say,

testing my (unweighted) squat ROM. "

.

You've injured yourself.

Take it easy and let yourself heal. Read some books or something. You've

got the entire rest of your life to lift.

(the ninja of nice)

Yardley, PA, USA

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Don't wait too long to start getting things rolling. Your goals

should be to achieve full range of motion within 4 weeks, and begin

strengthening as soon as you have adequate range.

ACL's never heal themselves. Too many individual fibers, and poor

blood supply. If its torn then the options are too live with it, or

have surgery. Good news is your ACL has nothing to do with squats. It

only is a factor in plant/pivot/cut activites. You can even run with

a torn ACL (just don't try to change direction).

If you are considering SX (surgery), don't even think about it until you have

full range of motion, especially in extension. Recovey following SX

is 3-6 months until return to full activity.

-Mark Crabtree MS,ATC,CSCS

Chicago

> " My limits are only obvious to me after I've passed them, unfortunately.

> This is the worst I've ever hurt myself, though not the worst I've ever been

> hurt; maybe I'll learn wisdom from it.

>

> Maybe not: I miss squatting very much, and hope for that reason if no other

> that my ACL is undamaged. For now, though, while my normal daily activities

> are still possible, I'm doing almost no real exercise except benching - the

> thought of dropping exhausted from a chin bar, for example, scares me, and

> my strong preference for " Stand on your feet and hold the bar in your hands "

> leaves me unenthused for, say, sitting dumbbell curls or overhead presses.

> When I see my orthopedist on the sixth I'm going to ask about good mornings

> and sldls - the (unweighted) movements don't hurt at all, unlike, say,

> testing my (unweighted) squat ROM. "

>

> .

>

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