Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Is there a difference between H.I.I.T (high intensity interval training) that seems to be the new rage and the Fartlek training. If there is, could you please outline the major differences for me? Thanks Ball Townsville Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 wrote, >Is there a difference between H.I.I.T (high intensity interval training) that >seems to be the new rage and the Fartlek training. > >If there is, could you please outline the major differences for me? Fartlek is a type of HIIT training which utilizes running. HIIT training is not just running, but can be almost any form of exercise. So basically the major difference is simply that fartlek falls within parameters of HIIT, but HIIT is not necessarily fartlek. Hobman Saskatoon, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 > wrote, > > >Is there a difference between H.I.I.T (high intensity interval training) that > >seems to be the new rage and the Fartlek training. > > > >If there is, could you please outline the major differences for me? > > Fartlek is a type of HIIT training which utilizes running. HIIT training is > not just running, but can be almost any form of exercise. > > So basically the major difference is simply that fartlek falls within > parameters of HIIT, but HIIT is not necessarily fartlek. > , I think you're actually being a bit unfair to Fartlek. As I was taught it (back in early 1980s), a " fartlek " run was intended to be on varying terrains, at (almost randomly) varying speeds [ie " sprint to the next big rock - go! " ], of approximately 45mins duration. The terrain element was regarded as being important for keeping the brain engaged/foot-to-eye co-ordination/etc. The " time interval " version that I've seen touted in a few places was seen as very much a poor cousin of the cross-country, tree-root dodging, odd- pace-changing original. Of course, I could be completely wrong (has happened before!), but I recall Fartlek runs being particularly unpleasant, usually muddy, and pretty effective for rugby players. Andy Gilmour Edinburgh Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Andy wrote, >> >, I think you're actually being a bit unfair to Fartlek. As I >was taught it (back in early 1980s), a " fartlek " run was intended to >be on varying terrains, at (almost randomly) varying speeds >[ie " sprint to the next big rock - go! " ], of approximately 45mins >duration. The terrain element was regarded as being important for >keeping the brain engaged/foot-to-eye co-ordination/etc. The " time >interval " version that I've seen touted in a few places was seen as >very much a poor cousin of the cross-country, tree-root dodging, odd- >pace-changing original. > >Of course, I could be completely wrong (has happened before!), but I >recall Fartlek runs being particularly unpleasant, usually muddy, and >pretty effective for rugby players. All HIIT tends to be brutally tough. I wasn't aware a particular type of terrain was needed for fartlek, but even if it is fartlek is till based on running. If you'd made the guys sprint 40 yards and then push an old truck around and then sprint and then drag each other and then jog the post... etc, It would no longer be fartlek, but would be good for rugby. (We used to use my 54 Merc 1/2 ton affectionately known as 'Spike' as part of our training). :^) Hobman Saskatoon, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Perhaps I can be diplomatic and say that you're both wrong. Of course, different people use terms differently in different places and contexts, so you should ask whoever offering such training about the details of what they're doing. However, here's my impression of how the terms are generally used. Fartlek is a form of interval training - usually running - that is not rigidly structured. Fartlek means " speed play " in swedish, or german, I think. Usually it is used when a trainee wants to train at higher speeds and get the benefits of 'recovery under stress' without the technicality of dedicated, timed intervals designed to target a specific bodily system (i.e., VO2max, Lactate Threshold, Anaerobic muscle endurance). It doesn't have to be gruelling. I often use it as a milder alternative to hard core interval runs. Basically, you just go for a run - once you're warmed up you speed up for varying periods at varying intensities, and keep running/jogging between intervals until you feel recovered enough to try another. You just make it up as you go. HIIT is also a form of interval training, but it's usually fairly rigidly structured. The purpose is usually explicitly to stimulate the metabolism and enhance fat-burning efforts - for which it is reportedly the best exercise protocol available. You can use any activity that uses most of the body's muscle simultaneously (my favorite is alternating between jumprope and bicycle hill climbs). Sprinting is often advocated, but not by me, because the potential for injury is too high in the groups who tend to use HIIT. The protocol is to alternate between intervals of near-maximal effort for 30-60 sec, and rest intervals of 10-30 seconds. Due to the extreme intensity, a thorough warmup is a good idea - many beginners start with only 4 work intervals. The primary differences are unstructured vs. structured and recovery under stress rest intervals vs. complete rest intervals. Wilbanks Madison, WI > > wrote, > > > > >Is there a difference between H.I.I.T (high intensity interval > training) that > > >seems to be the new rage and the Fartlek training. > > > > > >If there is, could you please outline the major differences for me? > > > > Fartlek is a type of HIIT training which utilizes running. HIIT > training is > > not just running, but can be almost any form of exercise. > > > > So basically the major difference is simply that fartlek falls > within > > parameters of HIIT, but HIIT is not necessarily fartlek. > > > , I think you're actually being a bit unfair to Fartlek. As I > was taught it (back in early 1980s), a " fartlek " run was intended to > be on varying terrains, at (almost randomly) varying speeds > [ie " sprint to the next big rock - go! " ], of approximately 45mins > duration. The terrain element was regarded as being important for > keeping the brain engaged/foot-to-eye co-ordination/etc. The " time > interval " version that I've seen touted in a few places was seen as > very much a poor cousin of the cross-country, tree-root dodging, odd- > pace-changing original. > > Of course, I could be completely wrong (has happened before!), but I > recall Fartlek runs being particularly unpleasant, usually muddy, and > pretty effective for rugby players. > > Andy Gilmour > Edinburgh > Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 wrote: " ...Is there a difference between H.I.I.T (high intensity interval training) that seems to be the new rage and the Fartlek training....If there is, could you please outline the major differences for me..? " ------------ Dejan Vidic write: * There is a new model proposed by authors(1) who have analyzed several research papers in the past. They state that low intensity exercise training (below lactate threshold) improve primarily heart and circulatory system (central adaptations) and that H.I.I.T. (90-95%VOmax) influence primarily structure in function of the skleletal muscle (periferal adaptations-enzymes activity, buffer system, mitochondria proliferation, etc.). References: 1. Docherty, D., & Sporer, B. (2000). A proposed model for examining the interference phenomenon between concurrent aerobic and strength training. Sports Med., 30(6): 385-394. Regars, Dejan Vidic University of Ljubljana Slovenia, Europe HIIT vs Fartlek > Is there a difference between H.I.I.T (high intensity interval training) that > seems to be the new rage and the Fartlek training. > > If there is, could you please outline the major differences for me? > > Thanks > > Ball > Townsville Australia > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > mygroups > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 Wilbanks wrote: HIIT is also a form of interval training, but it's usually fairly rigidly structured. The protocol is to alternate between intervals of near-maximal effort for 30-60 sec, and rest intervals of 10-30 seconds...the primary differences are unstructured vs. structured and recovery under stress rest intervals vs. complete rest intervals. ** has provided an accurate description of HIIT. Here are a few extracts from an article I wrote for Sports Science on this subject. The full review is available at: http://www.sportsci.org/jour/0101/cf.htm High-intensity intermittent training is a form of interval training consisting of short bouts of all-out activity separated by rest periods of between 20 s and 5 min. It is a low-volume strategy for producing gains in aerobic power and endurance normally associated with longer training bouts. A team from Japan's National Institute of Fitness and Sport found that a high-intensity intermittent training program achieved bigger gains in VO2max than a program of steady cycling (Tabata et al., 1997). Active male subjects were assigned to one of two groups, each training 5 days per week for 6 weeks. One group followed a training program involving 60 min of moderate intensity exercise (70% VO2max), for a total of 5 hours per week. The VO2max in this group improved by an average of 9%. Training sessions of the other group consisted of eight all-out work bouts, each lasting 20 s, with 10 s of rest. This group cycled for a total of only 20 min per week, yet their VO2max improved by 15%, Tabata I, Nishimura K, Kouzaki M, Hirai Y, Ogita F, Miyachi M, Yamamoto K (1997). Effects of moderate-intensity endurance and high-intensity intermittent training on anaerobic capacity and VO2max. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, 28, 1327-1330 Christian Finn London, England http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 > Perhaps I can be diplomatic and say that you're both wrong. > > Of course, different people use terms differently in different places > and contexts, so you should ask whoever offering such training about > the details of what they're doing. However, here's my impression of > how the terms are generally used. > > Fartlek is a form of interval training - usually running - that is > not > rigidly structured. Fartlek means " speed play " in swedish, or > german, > I think. Usually it is used when a trainee wants to train at higher > speeds and get the benefits of 'recovery under stress' without the > technicality of dedicated, timed intervals designed to target a > specific bodily system (i.e., VO2max, Lactate Threshold, Anaerobic > muscle endurance). It doesn't have to be gruelling. I often use it > as a milder alternative to hard core interval runs. Basically, you > just go for a run - once you're warmed up you speed up for varying > periods at varying intensities, and keep running/jogging between > intervals until you feel recovered enough to try another. You just > make it up as you go. > > HIIT is also a form of interval training, but it's usually > fairly rigidly structured. The purpose is usually explicitly to > stimulate the metabolism and enhance fat-burning efforts - for > which it is reportedly the best exercise protocol available. You can > use any activity that uses most of the body's muscle simultaneously > (my favorite is alternating between jumprope and bicycle hill > climbs). > Sprinting is often advocated, but not by me, because the potential > for injury is too high in the groups who tend to use HIIT. The > protocol is to alternate between intervals of near-maximal effort for > 30-60 sec, and rest intervals of 10-30 seconds. Due to the extreme > intensity, a thorough warmup is a good idea - many beginners start > with only 4 work intervals. > > The primary differences are unstructured vs. structured and recovery > under stress rest intervals vs. complete rest intervals. > Right, I've been away to try & check out original sources, but the closest I could get is on the " Runner's World " South Africa website, www.runnersworld.co.za/runnersworld/pages/fartlek.html It appears, according to the author of the article, Abrie de Swardt, that I was taught the " original " form of Fartlek: (extract from website follows) " Fartlek dates back to the 1930s when Swedish coach Gosta Holmer realised that speed and endurance mixed correctly were the ingredients every runner should seek in training. He devised a system called " fartlek " , a Swedish word meaning play with speed, or speed play. Through fartlek, Swedish runners conditioned themselves for their ongoing battle against the Finns, and soon their results, showed the benefits of the system. " " Holmer Fartlek: This is the original Swedish speed play, which includes runs at a slow pace through the woods, short sprints, walks and hard runs over terrain that varies as much as possible. The runner decides on the kind of rest between harder efforts, depending entirely on how the mood takes him. " He then goes on to list umpteen different variations, including the fun Polish Weightlifting version that I've seen mentioned elsewhere... includes explosive jumps off tree stumps, jump up & grab branches, quick lifts of fallen branches, etc, as part of their general physical preparation phase. I think that it's a shame that it became mutated, perhaps through necessity in a purely urban environment, into something more akin to " just another " form of interval training. Pavement pounders - get out into those trees! You have nothing to lose but the skin from your knees! Andy Gilmour, Edinburgh Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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