Guest guest Posted August 24, 2001 Report Share Posted August 24, 2001 Dr Siff wrote: <Note that the last book -SUPERTRAINING - is attributed to Mentzer. Now, unless Mike Mentzer also wrote a book called " Supertraining " , it looks like there may have been some major imitation or borrowing of ideas from my book by " Vadim-Pro " - or at least some gross re-appropriation of the name of my book and site.> Dear Dr Siff, Mike Mentzer's book " Heavy Duty II: Mind & Body " was translated into Russian and for some reason it is called " Supertraining " in Russian. I think the publishing house wanted to attract more attention by using a more " loud " word. Your fear that someone used the name of your book is ungrounded as nowdays in Russia your book is virtually unknown while " Supertraining " by Mike Mentzer is at the peak of its popularity now. [The name " Supertraining " as our book name was copyrighted way back in 1993 in the field of sport and fitness. Mel Siff] By the way, Mc's book " Brawn " was translated into Russian and they called it " Think! " . You can't get good scientific books on the subject of weightlifing now in Russia, even our Russian authors (e.g. Verkhoshansky) are hard to get, let alone foreign authors. Sincerely, Hugin Russia NAME PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2001 Report Share Posted August 24, 2001 risch ...... <ironmine@...> wrote: <<Dear Supertraining members, If there are any of you who can read and understand Russian, please check these sites out: <http://www.ironmine.narod.ru/articles/vadim-pro/dumai1.htm> <http://www.ironmine.narod.ru/articles/vadim-pro/dumai2.htm> I would like to know what you think of these articles.>> *** Using some of my rather inadequate software and a few hours of guided guesswork, I have produced a crude translation of the 30 pages or so of these two articles and placed them under the Files section of Supertraining, under the headings " Russian Bodybuilding1 " and " Russian Bodybuilding2 " . To download these files, go to: Supertraining/files Remember that an acceptable translation can take several days and my version is there simply to allow you to obtain some overview of what is being written in Russia about Mike Mentzer's alleged training ideas (which, as one of his colleagues who trained with him said on another listserv that Mike did not even follow when he was at his peak!). Interestingly, the author of the articles stressed that Mentzer did not rely on physiology to deduce his methods, but rather relied on " philosophy and logic " . What was not pointed out was that Mentzer did not rely on " philosophy and logic " , but almost entirely on the supposed objectivism of only one style of " philosophy and logic " as expounded by Ayn Rand (in texts such as " Atlas Shrugged " ), who very rapidly, viciously and illogically shed all of her " objectivism " when her lover followed her advice and chose to obectively become involved with yet another lover! Anyway, here is some of the Introduction to the Russian articles - for the remainder, which is mainly a lengthy review of very familiar muscle physiology and biomechanics that does not really validate Mentzer's reputed methods to any degree of acceptability, go to our Files section. Curiously, those articles did not even begin by summarising clearly exactly which of Mentzer's ideas were being supported. ------------------------ THINK! OR " SUPERTRAINING " WITHOUT ERRORS Vadim Protasenko -------------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTION Reflecting above the name of a future article, I did not casually stop my choice on that version that is written above - the reader will easily learn it in the titles of two of, arguably, the most popular books about bodybuilding, namely " Think! Bodybuilding without Steroids " by Stuart Mc and " Supertraining " by Mentzer, who have stirred up the world of amateur sports and apparently have overturned established concepts about the theory of training. It would be more precise to say that Mentzer for the first time has tried to create a real theory, since before he came along, the majority of well-accepted books and articles about bodybuilding were just collections of every possible and frequently controversial principles of training sessions, or catalogues of known exercises with weights. Mentzer has called on us to consider bodybuilding as a science, but, for some reason, has chosen as a basis not physiology, but philosophy and logic. As back in history Euclid has created geometry, leaning on a number of axioms about the properties of space, so Mentzer has created " Supertraining " by leaning on an axiom about the role of the last recurrences in the mechanism of starting growth of muscles, but not having worked to offer any physiological explanation to his hypothesis. But, as we know, besides the geometry of Euclid also exists the geometry of Lobachevskogo and Minkovskogo, based on other axioms, but not quite as controversial and logical. Inspired by the style and unshakeable confidence of the author of " Supertraining " of its correctness, I became a great supporter of the ideas of Mentzer after having increased 10 kg of " natural " muscles in a year by using his advice. Having decided to find physiological verification of the axioms of my " teacher " , I have plunged headlong into an area of knowledge new to physiology and biochemistry of the person. The result appeared for me unexpectedly, but more about it later. I shall first pay attention readers to that monstrous position involving the current theory of the iron sports. All sports magazines are full of articles with new ultrafashionable systems of training. " Movement should be powerful and explosive " , states one. " Only slow under inspection movement " , say others, contradicting them. " You Want to increase weight - work with big weights " . " Light weights have no value - the main thing is engineering and sensation of work of a muscle " . " Train six times a week in the morning " , while Arnold Schwartzenegger advises in the evening. It is forbidden to appear in the training hall more often than twice a week to disciples of Mike Mentzer. The pro paints with complexes from six exercises for a biceps. Mc calls to not train at all using any hand isolated exercises. Powerlifting during all cycles almost never work over a prolonged period. Mentzer assures us that work not all the way down in spent time. The pro from team Dzho Vejdera advises us to go much further towards failure with the help of forced reps and " stripping " . This discussion can be continued indefinitely, but it amazes one to see an abundance of mutually exclusive principles of training, and that each of them has its own supporters, who have all managed to achieve results. This fact has allowed it to be widely stated that no best system is present. I state, that the system is! And the patient reader soon itself can make sure of this. The weak point of any procedure of a training is the absence at the outset of a clear-cut concept about the causes of muscle growth. Some do not even think at all about this question, while others are limited to some abstract ideas about training stress. Believing, what is it a problem only in the popular sports literature, I hoped to find the answer in serious scientific research in the field of physiology of muscle activity, but was disappointed. Precise insights into what occurs in a muscle in response to maximum loads, present science, anyway, does not hurry to share with the broad audience of readers. It is connected, in my opinion, first of all with the subject matter which decrees that the basic research was always directed to meet the demands of certain " classical " sports whose basis to a great extent involves training of endurance capacity. I managed to deduce that most of this research is drawn from structural variations in the muscles of rats after half an hour of intensive navigation or running in a wheel. Clearly, on the basis of these data it is hard to judge the reaction of muscles of the athlete to greater stresses which muscles can maintain for only a few seconds. Having got rid of any illusions to find ready answers, I decided independently to analyse all known facts relating to the processes proceeding in muscles at limiting loads. The pattern of influence of training developed by me on the muscle structure of the person seem able to describe practically all known empirical facts and for the first time has allowed us to find answers to some questions not answered up to the present time by any reasonable explanation on the part of sports physiologists. For example, it was possible for me to identify in general at a molecular level the mechanism of occurrence of microtraumas of a muscle fibre (sources of a post-training pain and the general stressful influence on the body) to specify precise conditions of their occurrence and as to find the causes of adaptation of muscles to a load and to explain a phenomenon of action of a post-training pain at regular training sessions. Familiarity with this information by the reader can in the second part of article in which actually and the essence of my theory is stated on the basis of which articles in the third part I have tried to explain why the " Supertraining " of Mentzer works, using training sessions which are limited only to one approach in exercise and for what are intended and as work interval training sessions in what the secret lifters or shtangistkogo a power/force cycle and than is determined by influence of the majority of other training procedures. For the unprepared reader the material appears, most likely, too complex for understanding, therefore, from the outset, I strongly recommend to study the first part of this article which presents in accessible form the basic facts about the structure and principles of muscles functioning which to me managed to be collected from special-purpose proceedings of Soviet and Russian scientists. One should notice, that those insights which up to this point in time were stated in the well-accepted literature (magazines, works of Hatfield or Tunneman and Hartmann etc), and even in textbooks on physiology of muscle activity for sports high schools with which I managed to familiarize, do not offer much. As a rule, processes of synthesis of fibre by a cell in the given literature are not considered at all, with the result that many athletes consorting with experts in area of " chemistry " , argue on receptors of steroid hormone, " increase of sensitivity " etc., not realizing at all that the effect of steroid hormones is realized through influence on the genetic apparatus manufactured in the nucleus of the cell, and that the nucleus is a final testosterone receptor, cortisol and of some other hormones. They do not realize this or what to do to increase the quantity of testosterone receptors it is possible only having increased quantity of cell nuclei. Yes, the nucleus of muscle cells, as well as muscle cells, are not capable of division and duplication, but sports physiologists ignore information on the availability in the muscle fibre of cells -in the satellite cells (the not generated muscle cells) which retain the capacity to divide during all human life due to what the increase of quantity of muscle nucleus and regeneration of muscle fibres is provided at mechanical damage of a cell material. The fact that this can affect the growth of volume and force of muscles the reader will learn from part two of this article. And so, I managed to create a more or less integral theory of training at a physiological level explaining the influence of training on the muscle apparatus of the person and allowing us to find answers to the majority of the questions of interest to the reader. I expect doubts from skeptics - the person without specialized education who climbs into the jungle of a new science with typical impudence to proclaim widely in public their own theories. Well, if scientists do not have a concern with problems of bodybuilding, then rescue that is necessary by relying on our own forces. And so, if you are ready, let's proceed ........ ---------------------- Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA Supertraining/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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