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A few weeks back there was much discussion about how to talk about sex, what is

typical behavior, what

is OCD etc. I found a resource that may be of interest though I can't vouch for

it personally because I

haven't read it yet. Understanding your child's sexual behavior: What's

natural and healthy. By Toni

Cavanaugh nson, Ph.D. New Harbinger Publications www.newharbinger.com

Best to all,

Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.

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HI Dr. Chansky:

Thanks very much for this resource. Steve and I have had some discussions

already, especially about how OCD takes over things of importance and

pleasure, like sex and loved ones, and you have to be ready to boss back.

Aloha, Kathy (H)

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At 06:48 AM 11/14/1999 +0000, you wrote:

> A few weeks back there was much discussion about how to talk about

sex, what is typical behavior, what is OCD etc. I found a resource that

may be of interest though I can't vouch for it personally because I haven't

read it yet. Understanding your child's sexual behavior: What's natural

and healthy. By Toni Cavanaugh nson, Ph.D. New Harbinger Publications

www.newharbinger.com

Best to all,

Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.

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Hi Gretchen

Kathy here. Yes you can get them wet. I go hiking in the summer near water

so i can get wet to keep cool as it gets very hot here in the summer. I leave

them on except when cleaning the sand out of them when i get home i soak them

in bleach water. I do have to take them in once in awhile for new straps

because they wear out from the water and cleaning. I wear tube socks so the

plastic doesn't touch my legs

and yes they get hot but so does shoes. You get use to them. I couldn't hike

w/o them so very thankful for them. Have a nice day Kathy:)

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<< Garlic in foods will cure pinworms.

It is an old Mediterranean cure >>

As far as I know garlic really IS good for lots of medicinal things like this

- it just isn't a chelating agent.

Andy Cutler

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Garlic in foods will cure pinworms.

It is an old Mediterranean cure

Bob Fisher

Kalamazoo, Michigan

" Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change

the world; it's the only thing that ever does " Margaret Mead

Re: [ ] Digest Number 294

Joe,

What did you do for the pinworms?

Beth

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In a message dated 8/1/00 12:44:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tfcwh@...

writes:

<< What did you do for the pinworms?

Beth >>

Our pediatrician's office prescribed Mebendazole (100 mg) which everyone in

our family took. They seemed to go away, but returned about 2 months later,

so we repeated the treatment. They have not returned in the past 6 months so

we hope they are gone. Another doctor gave us a homeopathic detox for

pinworms which we used in the interim. We have also been chelating mercury

with lipoic acid and captomer (DMSA), and giving a variety of other

supplements on an intermittent basis.

Joe Marciano

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Dear :

The Thyroid Regeneration protocol was designed to eliminate auto-immune

dysfunctions. heres how....

Re: Digest Number 294

Hi Earl,

Can you tell me more about this?

Thanks,

>Thyrioid Regeneration protocol....as it eliminates the auto-immune

> dysfunction.

> Best wishes,

> Earl

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Dear :

Auto-immune dysfunctions appear to be caused by viruses, especially herpes,

Epstein-Barr, cytomegalovirus and bacteria, Candida, possibly flukes and

parasites.

The Thyroid Regeneration protocol is designed to eliminate any or all of

these pathogens, clear the intestines of toxic debris, restore gut wall

function and natural flora. Then, with the auto-immune dysfunction

eliminated [a 10 day program] Thyrodine will then restore thyroid function.

Thyrodine supplies the raw materials required by the thyroid to synthesize

T4 and convert whatever is needed to T3.

This protocol will not work if a person has had RAI or surgery...since there

is no gland left to work with.

All forms of Hyperthyroid or Hashimotos or Graves seems to fit into the

parameters described above.

When the offending pathogen is eliminated [and mercury eliminated] the

thyroid gland is then responsive to the required nutritive elements required

for synthesizing thyroxine [T4]...which is contained in Thyrodine.

It is never necessary with a functioning gland to remotely consider RAI or

surgery.

It is also not indicated to prescribe synthetic hormones which never do the

same task as the natural hormone. And all synthetics have serious side

effects.

The Thyroid Regeneration protocol has been particularly effective in

restoring thyroid function after elimination of any auto-immune

dysfunctions, which we find in most folks.

Hope this helps, Earl

Re: Digest Number 294

Hi Earl,

Can you tell me more about this?

Thanks,

>Thyrioid Regeneration protocol....as it eliminates the auto-immune

> dysfunction.

> Best wishes,

> Earl

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Hi to all,

Some information, first that medication the HYDROXYZINE 25mg. I

did not read why you were writing about it, but my doctor gave it to me for

terrible itching, it works great. It does have the medications that someone

had posted. Another thing I had come across is stone wear( cast iron pots and

pans) when cooking with them they produce iron in your food, I do not know

how much, but I did throw all mine out. This is for , (HEADACHES),I

suffer with migraines and headaches from the age of 12, I take fiornal w/

codeine. It has aspirin in it, they do have fiornal- with Tylenol. I did talk

to my doctor and since I do take them a lot, he feels the aspirin is most

likely better for me than the Tylenol. Now one more thing, This is very

upsetting, I am going to send you the page, and I truly hope that everyone

and even people who do nor suffer with this virus can E-Mail or call the

hospital, once you read the article you will understand. Please help this

person.

Thank you

Subj:

HEPC INFO: A Tucson father who faces certain death without a new liver

Date: 9/17/00 11:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: hepatitis-central@... (HEP C INFO)

CCAMPB3234@... (List Member)

HEP C INFO - http://hepatitis-central.com

OKAY... TIME TO CALL THE University Of Arizona Transplant Line...

By Carla McClain

ARIZONA DAILY STAR

A Tucson father who faces certain death without a new liver has been

kicked off the UA transplant list.

University of Arizona transplant officials confirm that Rasmussen,

41, had been accepted for a lifesaving liver transplant but was taken off

the list for what they call " abusive " behavior to nurses.

The incident occurred while Rasmussen was hospitalized at University

Medical Center, after he tried futilely for 40 minutes to summon a nurse

to unhook him from tubes during an attack of diarrhea, he said.

Only words were exchanged during the incident, Rasmussen said, when a

nurse " yelled " at him for unhooking his own tubes so he could go to the

bathroom.

" I said something wrong when I was very sick, and now it's a death

sentence, " said Rasmussen, who has sole custody of his two young children,

5 and 7.

" I had only one chance, and now I have no chance. It seems so strange to

me. I don't know how one bad night can be enough to kill you. "

Nursing charts at the time of the incident confirm that Rasmussen was

plagued with diarrhea during his weeklong hospitalization for an extremely

serious liver condition known as hepatic encephalopathy.

The condition, which can be life threatening, is caused by hepatitis C,

the disease that has destroyed Rasmussen's liver. He said he thinks he

contracted hepatitis C when he got a tattoo as a teen-ager.

The liver condition is known to cause disturbances of consciousness and

psychiatric changes in the patient.

Defending the decision to deny Rasmussen a transplant, UA officials point

to the extreme scarcity of donor livers.

" Livers are certainly scarce, and we have to make sure they go to people

who will benefit from this gift, " said Constance Glasby, UMC's director of

transplant services.

" Success of a transplant depends on a patient's willingness and ability to

comply with medical directions and on having a support system to help him

through the entire process.

" During this process, the patient develops a relationship with our team, a

relationship that is permanent. You just don't get a transplant and then

go off fancy-free. They're with us for life. It's a serious commitment -

it's a marriage.

" So the patient must refrain from causing any adverse relationship with

the team and must refrain from destructive behavior.

" I said something wrong when I was very sick, and now it's a death

sentence. "

Rasmussen

Liver transplant patient

" Mr. Rasmussen has demonstrated through specific actions or inactions that

he cannot make this commitment. "

Glasby added: " This is not just a single incident. "

But she declined to elaborate further, saying " UMC is not comfortable

discussing patients publicly. "

An examination of Rasmussen's UMC medical records show only one

hospitalization, for seven days in February, since he was accepted for

transplant there in August 1999.

While he was in the hospital - both before and after the diarrhea incident

- nursing charts repeatedly describe Rasmussen as " pleasant, "

" cooperative, " " appropriate, " " social " and " agreeable. " His psychological

evaluation on the day he was discharged from UMC is marked " WNL " - " within

normal limits. "

It was only during one time period in the middle of his hospital stay that

nursing charts note " agitation " and " impatience, " as well as " grieving "

and " scared. "

Rasmussen said he was severely bloated - a symptom of the encephalopathy -

suffered severe diarrhea, was scared he might die and was worried about

his children.

It was that night that he could find no nurse to help him untangle his

lines and sheets and go to the bathroom.

" It seemed the nurses never had the time to be around. I could never get

help, when I was bleeding or vomiting, or with the diarrhea, " he said.

" This time, I pushed the button for 40 minutes, and no one came. I knew it

was going to be a real mess. I had to go very badly. So I unhooked the

heart monitor and broke one of the little plugs while I was doing it. "

When he got back to his bed, the nurse came in and berated him for

unhooking himself and breaking one of the lines, he said.

" She got very upset. She said I should never do that, no matter what was

going on. I don't know what I said. I think I said she should have been

there to help. I was cranky. I admit it. I felt terrible, and I told her

she should have been there. "

He admitted he spoke " harshly " to the nurse, " as she had done to me. "

Rasmussen was also cited for throwing a small carton of milk across the

room the next morning. He said he was trying to throw it onto his food

tray. The nurses accused him of throwing it at a technician.

" That's just not true. There was no one in the room when I threw it, " he

said.

Rasmussen also was cited for taking an over-the-counter antacid without

permission.

Nursing notes at this time say Rasmussen was " tired of waiting for his

milk, " " threw milk across the room " and " had concerns about plans for his

children after his death. "

Later that day, a UMC social worker told Rasmussen all of this " might be

enough to get you off the list, " he said.

" That shocked me. I had tears down my face. I said, 'You can't do that. It

took me two years to get here, and I've got to be there for my kids. I

don't want to die.'

" I said, 'Please, maybe I'm not acting my best, but I don't want to die.'

"

A month later, UMC's liver transplant surgeon, Dr. Nakazato, wrote a

letter to Rasmussen's primary-care physician saying Rasmussen was off the

UMC transplant list.

In the letter, Nakazato cited the February hospitalization that produced

" two major problems. "

" First, he does not have the standard support systems available for him to

be able to arrange clinic visits and emergency hospitalizations, " Nakazato

wrote.

" Second, we were not able to work with him on a friendly basis. Mr.

Rasmussen was abusive to the nursing staff as well as broke some hospital

equipment. "

Nakazato then recommended that Rasmussen move out of state and try to get

on the list at another transplant program.

" I just felt numb all over my body - I was nauseated, sick, " said

Rasmussen on getting that letter. " I was just asking, 'Why and how did

this happen?' It seemed blown so way out of proportion. "

Requests for an interview with Nakazato were declined.

Rasmussen, who is low income and covered for the transplant by AHCCCS, has

contacted the the Arizona Center for Disability Law, which is now

investigating his plight.

" We simply want this man to live, " said Palevitz, an attorney with

the center. " To me, it is unbelievable. Does what happened on one night -

what is documented in his records - justify allowing him to die? He had no

idea that, if he got mad, it was a death sentence. "

Nakazato's charge that Rasmussen lacks a sufficient support system was

especially surprising, both Rasmussen and Palevitz said.

Rasmussen has arranged with several of his brothers and sisters to fly to

Tucson for rotating weeks to care for him after the transplant. The mother

of his children lives here and is helping him with them. He said he has

arranged with neighbors and friends to help out when necessary. He said he

has never had any trouble getting to the hospital for his appointments and

has never missed any.

All of this was relayed to UA transplant officials when he underwent the

psychosocial evaluation a year ago. Passing that evaluation is required of

all patients before they are accepted for a transplant.

" At the time, the transplant coordinators were convinced I had good

support, and I do, " Rasmussen said. " Nothing's changed. I don't know why

they are saying that now it's not good enough. "

Asked about that judgment, Glasby said only, " We did list him, that is

true. "

Glasby also said Rasmussen has " other options " and named the liver

transplant program at the Mayo Clinic in sdale. Acknowledging that

Rasmussen has a limited income, she said AHCCCS would pay for his housing

there.

But AHCCCS officials indicated that is not a certainty.

" Housing for him and his children and a caretaker? Wow. I don't know if

that would be covered in our contract with Mayo, " said AHCCCS spokesman

.

" For transplants, we contract with the facilities to get the best deal we

can. It would obviously not be the best deal for a Tucson patient to go to

Phoenix when there is a facility in Tucson. That would have to come under

review. "

At the very least, Rasmussen should have gotten a strong warning about

compliance and behavior after the one incident before he was thrown off

the list, said one of the country's leading medical ethicists.

" Most transplant centers do that, " said Dr. Arthur Caplan, head of the

University of Pennsylvania Center for Bioethics.

" If it's true this is a single incident and that's it, then I think it's

going to be very tough to justify taking someone off the list.

" Yes, there is a short supply of organs, and they have to be used in the

best way possible. But one strike and you're out?

" You do that with everyone who's ever had an angry outburst in the

hospital, and you'd have an empty hospital. "

* Contact Carla McClain at 806-7754 or at cmcclain@...

I DID CONTACT THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT, AND ASKED HER WHAT CAN WE DO, CALL THE

HOSPITAL, CALL THE NEWS, ECT. HOPEFULLY SHE WILL GET BACK TO ME SOON. thank

YOU FOR ALL WHO WILL HELP. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE VIRUS TO HELP, ALL

FAMLIY AND FRIENDS ALSO CAN BE A PART OF THIS, SO PLEASE HELP THIS POOR MAN,

YOU NEVER KNOW, IT COULD BE ONE OF US ONE DAY. THANK YOU

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Hi to all,

Some information, first that medication the HYDROXYZINE 25mg. I

did not read why you were writing about it, but my doctor gave it to me for

terrible itching, it works great. It does have the medications that someone

had posted. Another thing I had come across is stone wear( cast iron pots and

pans) when cooking with them they produce iron in your food, I do not know

how much, but I did throw all mine out. This is for , (HEADACHES),I

suffer with migraines and headaches from the age of 12, I take fiornal w/

codeine. It has aspirin in it, they do have fiornal- with Tylenol. I did talk

to my doctor and since I do take them a lot, he feels the aspirin is most

likely better for me than the Tylenol. Now one more thing, This is very

upsetting, I am going to send you the page, and I truly hope that everyone

and even people who do nor suffer with this virus can E-Mail or call the

hospital, once you read the article you will understand. Please help this

person.

Thank you

Subj:

HEPC INFO: A Tucson father who faces certain death without a new liver

Date: 9/17/00 11:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: hepatitis-central@... (HEP C INFO)

CCAMPB3234@... (List Member)

HEP C INFO - http://hepatitis-central.com

OKAY... TIME TO CALL THE University Of Arizona Transplant Line...

By Carla McClain

ARIZONA DAILY STAR

A Tucson father who faces certain death without a new liver has been

kicked off the UA transplant list.

University of Arizona transplant officials confirm that Rasmussen,

41, had been accepted for a lifesaving liver transplant but was taken off

the list for what they call " abusive " behavior to nurses.

The incident occurred while Rasmussen was hospitalized at University

Medical Center, after he tried futilely for 40 minutes to summon a nurse

to unhook him from tubes during an attack of diarrhea, he said.

Only words were exchanged during the incident, Rasmussen said, when a

nurse " yelled " at him for unhooking his own tubes so he could go to the

bathroom.

" I said something wrong when I was very sick, and now it's a death

sentence, " said Rasmussen, who has sole custody of his two young children,

5 and 7.

" I had only one chance, and now I have no chance. It seems so strange to

me. I don't know how one bad night can be enough to kill you. "

Nursing charts at the time of the incident confirm that Rasmussen was

plagued with diarrhea during his weeklong hospitalization for an extremely

serious liver condition known as hepatic encephalopathy.

The condition, which can be life threatening, is caused by hepatitis C,

the disease that has destroyed Rasmussen's liver. He said he thinks he

contracted hepatitis C when he got a tattoo as a teen-ager.

The liver condition is known to cause disturbances of consciousness and

psychiatric changes in the patient.

Defending the decision to deny Rasmussen a transplant, UA officials point

to the extreme scarcity of donor livers.

" Livers are certainly scarce, and we have to make sure they go to people

who will benefit from this gift, " said Constance Glasby, UMC's director of

transplant services.

" Success of a transplant depends on a patient's willingness and ability to

comply with medical directions and on having a support system to help him

through the entire process.

" During this process, the patient develops a relationship with our team, a

relationship that is permanent. You just don't get a transplant and then

go off fancy-free. They're with us for life. It's a serious commitment -

it's a marriage.

" So the patient must refrain from causing any adverse relationship with

the team and must refrain from destructive behavior.

" I said something wrong when I was very sick, and now it's a death

sentence. "

Rasmussen

Liver transplant patient

" Mr. Rasmussen has demonstrated through specific actions or inactions that

he cannot make this commitment. "

Glasby added: " This is not just a single incident. "

But she declined to elaborate further, saying " UMC is not comfortable

discussing patients publicly. "

An examination of Rasmussen's UMC medical records show only one

hospitalization, for seven days in February, since he was accepted for

transplant there in August 1999.

While he was in the hospital - both before and after the diarrhea incident

- nursing charts repeatedly describe Rasmussen as " pleasant, "

" cooperative, " " appropriate, " " social " and " agreeable. " His psychological

evaluation on the day he was discharged from UMC is marked " WNL " - " within

normal limits. "

It was only during one time period in the middle of his hospital stay that

nursing charts note " agitation " and " impatience, " as well as " grieving "

and " scared. "

Rasmussen said he was severely bloated - a symptom of the encephalopathy -

suffered severe diarrhea, was scared he might die and was worried about

his children.

It was that night that he could find no nurse to help him untangle his

lines and sheets and go to the bathroom.

" It seemed the nurses never had the time to be around. I could never get

help, when I was bleeding or vomiting, or with the diarrhea, " he said.

" This time, I pushed the button for 40 minutes, and no one came. I knew it

was going to be a real mess. I had to go very badly. So I unhooked the

heart monitor and broke one of the little plugs while I was doing it. "

When he got back to his bed, the nurse came in and berated him for

unhooking himself and breaking one of the lines, he said.

" She got very upset. She said I should never do that, no matter what was

going on. I don't know what I said. I think I said she should have been

there to help. I was cranky. I admit it. I felt terrible, and I told her

she should have been there. "

He admitted he spoke " harshly " to the nurse, " as she had done to me. "

Rasmussen was also cited for throwing a small carton of milk across the

room the next morning. He said he was trying to throw it onto his food

tray. The nurses accused him of throwing it at a technician.

" That's just not true. There was no one in the room when I threw it, " he

said.

Rasmussen also was cited for taking an over-the-counter antacid without

permission.

Nursing notes at this time say Rasmussen was " tired of waiting for his

milk, " " threw milk across the room " and " had concerns about plans for his

children after his death. "

Later that day, a UMC social worker told Rasmussen all of this " might be

enough to get you off the list, " he said.

" That shocked me. I had tears down my face. I said, 'You can't do that. It

took me two years to get here, and I've got to be there for my kids. I

don't want to die.'

" I said, 'Please, maybe I'm not acting my best, but I don't want to die.'

"

A month later, UMC's liver transplant surgeon, Dr. Nakazato, wrote a

letter to Rasmussen's primary-care physician saying Rasmussen was off the

UMC transplant list.

In the letter, Nakazato cited the February hospitalization that produced

" two major problems. "

" First, he does not have the standard support systems available for him to

be able to arrange clinic visits and emergency hospitalizations, " Nakazato

wrote.

" Second, we were not able to work with him on a friendly basis. Mr.

Rasmussen was abusive to the nursing staff as well as broke some hospital

equipment. "

Nakazato then recommended that Rasmussen move out of state and try to get

on the list at another transplant program.

" I just felt numb all over my body - I was nauseated, sick, " said

Rasmussen on getting that letter. " I was just asking, 'Why and how did

this happen?' It seemed blown so way out of proportion. "

Requests for an interview with Nakazato were declined.

Rasmussen, who is low income and covered for the transplant by AHCCCS, has

contacted the the Arizona Center for Disability Law, which is now

investigating his plight.

" We simply want this man to live, " said Palevitz, an attorney with

the center. " To me, it is unbelievable. Does what happened on one night -

what is documented in his records - justify allowing him to die? He had no

idea that, if he got mad, it was a death sentence. "

Nakazato's charge that Rasmussen lacks a sufficient support system was

especially surprising, both Rasmussen and Palevitz said.

Rasmussen has arranged with several of his brothers and sisters to fly to

Tucson for rotating weeks to care for him after the transplant. The mother

of his children lives here and is helping him with them. He said he has

arranged with neighbors and friends to help out when necessary. He said he

has never had any trouble getting to the hospital for his appointments and

has never missed any.

All of this was relayed to UA transplant officials when he underwent the

psychosocial evaluation a year ago. Passing that evaluation is required of

all patients before they are accepted for a transplant.

" At the time, the transplant coordinators were convinced I had good

support, and I do, " Rasmussen said. " Nothing's changed. I don't know why

they are saying that now it's not good enough. "

Asked about that judgment, Glasby said only, " We did list him, that is

true. "

Glasby also said Rasmussen has " other options " and named the liver

transplant program at the Mayo Clinic in sdale. Acknowledging that

Rasmussen has a limited income, she said AHCCCS would pay for his housing

there.

But AHCCCS officials indicated that is not a certainty.

" Housing for him and his children and a caretaker? Wow. I don't know if

that would be covered in our contract with Mayo, " said AHCCCS spokesman

.

" For transplants, we contract with the facilities to get the best deal we

can. It would obviously not be the best deal for a Tucson patient to go to

Phoenix when there is a facility in Tucson. That would have to come under

review. "

At the very least, Rasmussen should have gotten a strong warning about

compliance and behavior after the one incident before he was thrown off

the list, said one of the country's leading medical ethicists.

" Most transplant centers do that, " said Dr. Arthur Caplan, head of the

University of Pennsylvania Center for Bioethics.

" If it's true this is a single incident and that's it, then I think it's

going to be very tough to justify taking someone off the list.

" Yes, there is a short supply of organs, and they have to be used in the

best way possible. But one strike and you're out?

" You do that with everyone who's ever had an angry outburst in the

hospital, and you'd have an empty hospital. "

* Contact Carla McClain at 806-7754 or at cmcclain@...

I DID CONTACT THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT, AND ASKED HER WHAT CAN WE DO, CALL THE

HOSPITAL, CALL THE NEWS, ECT. HOPEFULLY SHE WILL GET BACK TO ME SOON. thank

YOU FOR ALL WHO WILL HELP. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE VIRUS TO HELP, ALL

FAMLIY AND FRIENDS ALSO CAN BE A PART OF THIS, SO PLEASE HELP THIS POOR MAN,

YOU NEVER KNOW, IT COULD BE ONE OF US ONE DAY. THANK YOU

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Hi,

I am just getting around to reading some of my mail. You may address this

issue in a later e-mail. What is the standing of this person...is he still

off the list? I will certainly call if that has not been changed. How

horrible!!

Take Care,

Gail

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Hi,

I am just getting around to reading some of my mail. You may address this

issue in a later e-mail. What is the standing of this person...is he still

off the list? I will certainly call if that has not been changed. How

horrible!!

Take Care,

Gail

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thanks :) Yep I know all about iron and skillets :)

While Im on treatment I'm not to take any aspirin or NSAIDS if possible (esp

the further I get into treatment, not so bad now my platelets etc are

great).

Yep I have Fioricet (with tylenol) and that seems to work pretty well but

not always. Sometimes it seems almost nothing works unless they just behead

me! hahaha

The Lortab doc gave me for strep/sinus infection has helped a lot today

thankfully.

alley/

ICQ 12631861

alleypat@...

http://www.flash.net/~alleypat

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thanks :) Yep I know all about iron and skillets :)

While Im on treatment I'm not to take any aspirin or NSAIDS if possible (esp

the further I get into treatment, not so bad now my platelets etc are

great).

Yep I have Fioricet (with tylenol) and that seems to work pretty well but

not always. Sometimes it seems almost nothing works unless they just behead

me! hahaha

The Lortab doc gave me for strep/sinus infection has helped a lot today

thankfully.

alley/

ICQ 12631861

alleypat@...

http://www.flash.net/~alleypat

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I have heard that cast iron pots did that for years. I

think my mom told me. But you know, you do not think

about it till someone brings it up. I was wondering

about the HYDOXYZINE in connection for sleep. Also,

about any type of adverse side effects to blood...

Connie

--- CCampb3234@... wrote:

> Hi to all,

> Some information, first that

> medication the HYDROXYZINE 25mg. I

> did not read why you were writing about it, but my

> doctor gave it to me for

> terrible itching, it works great. It does have the

> medications that someone

> had posted. Another thing I had come across is stone

> wear( cast iron pots and

> pans) when cooking with them they produce iron in

> your food, I do not know

> how much, but I did throw all mine out. This is for

> , (HEADACHES),I

> suffer with migraines and headaches from the age of

> 12, I take fiornal w/

> codeine. It has aspirin in it, they do have fiornal-

> with Tylenol. I did talk

> to my doctor and since I do take them a lot, he

> feels the aspirin is most

> likely better for me than the Tylenol. Now one more

> thing, This is very

> upsetting, I am going to send you the page, and I

> truly hope that everyone

> and even people who do nor suffer with this virus

> can E-Mail or call the

> hospital, once you read the article you will

> understand. Please help this

> person.

>

> Thank you

>

> Subj:

> HEPC INFO: A Tucson father who faces certain death

> without a new liver

> Date: 9/17/00 11:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: hepatitis-central@... (HEP

> C INFO)

> CCAMPB3234@... (List Member)

>

> HEP C INFO - http://hepatitis-central.com

>

> OKAY... TIME TO CALL THE University Of Arizona

> Transplant Line...

>

> By Carla McClain

> ARIZONA DAILY STAR

>

> A Tucson father who faces certain death without a

> new liver has been

> kicked off the UA transplant list.

>

> University of Arizona transplant officials confirm

> that Rasmussen,

> 41, had been accepted for a lifesaving liver

> transplant but was taken off

> the list for what they call " abusive " behavior to

> nurses.

>

> The incident occurred while Rasmussen was

> hospitalized at University

> Medical Center, after he tried futilely for 40

> minutes to summon a nurse

> to unhook him from tubes during an attack of

> diarrhea, he said.

>

> Only words were exchanged during the incident,

> Rasmussen said, when a

> nurse " yelled " at him for unhooking his own tubes so

> he could go to the

> bathroom.

>

> " I said something wrong when I was very sick, and

> now it's a death

> sentence, " said Rasmussen, who has sole custody of

> his two young children,

> 5 and 7.

>

> " I had only one chance, and now I have no chance. It

> seems so strange to

> me. I don't know how one bad night can be enough to

> kill you. "

>

> Nursing charts at the time of the incident confirm

> that Rasmussen was

> plagued with diarrhea during his weeklong

> hospitalization for an extremely

> serious liver condition known as hepatic

> encephalopathy.

>

> The condition, which can be life threatening, is

> caused by hepatitis C,

> the disease that has destroyed Rasmussen's liver. He

> said he thinks he

> contracted hepatitis C when he got a tattoo as a

> teen-ager.

>

> The liver condition is known to cause disturbances

> of consciousness and

> psychiatric changes in the patient.

>

> Defending the decision to deny Rasmussen a

> transplant, UA officials point

> to the extreme scarcity of donor livers.

>

> " Livers are certainly scarce, and we have to make

> sure they go to people

> who will benefit from this gift, " said Constance

> Glasby, UMC's director of

> transplant services.

>

> " Success of a transplant depends on a patient's

> willingness and ability to

> comply with medical directions and on having a

> support system to help him

> through the entire process.

>

> " During this process, the patient develops a

> relationship with our team, a

> relationship that is permanent. You just don't get a

> transplant and then

> go off fancy-free. They're with us for life. It's a

> serious commitment -

> it's a marriage.

>

> " So the patient must refrain from causing any

> adverse relationship with

> the team and must refrain from destructive behavior.

>

>

> " I said something wrong when I was very sick, and

> now it's a death

> sentence. "

>

> Rasmussen

> Liver transplant patient

>

> " Mr. Rasmussen has demonstrated through specific

> actions or inactions that

> he cannot make this commitment. "

>

> Glasby added: " This is not just a single incident. "

>

> But she declined to elaborate further, saying " UMC

> is not comfortable

> discussing patients publicly. "

>

> An examination of Rasmussen's UMC medical records

> show only one

> hospitalization, for seven days in February, since

> he was accepted for

> transplant there in August 1999.

>

> While he was in the hospital - both before and after

> the diarrhea incident

> - nursing charts repeatedly describe Rasmussen as

> " pleasant, "

> " cooperative, " " appropriate, " " social " and

> " agreeable. " His psychological

> evaluation on the day he was discharged from UMC is

> marked " WNL " - " within

> normal limits. "

>

> It was only during one time period in the middle of

> his hospital stay that

> nursing charts note " agitation " and " impatience, " as

> well as " grieving "

> and " scared. "

>

> Rasmussen said he was severely bloated - a symptom

> of the encephalopathy -

> suffered severe diarrhea, was scared he might die

> and was worried about

> his children.

>

> It was that night that he could find no nurse to

> help him untangle his

> lines and sheets and go to the bathroom.

>

> " It seemed the nurses never had the time to be

> around. I could never get

> help, when I was bleeding or vomiting, or with the

> diarrhea, " he said.

>

> " This time, I pushed the button for 40 minutes, and

> no one came. I knew it

> was going to be a real mess. I had to go very badly.

> So I unhooked the

> heart monitor and broke one of the little plugs

> while I was doing it. "

>

> When he got back to his bed, the nurse came in and

> berated him for

> unhooking himself and breaking one of the lines, he

> said.

>

> " She got very upset. She said I should never do

> that, no matter what was

> going on. I don't know what I said. I think I said

> she should have been

> there to help. I was cranky. I admit it. I felt

> terrible, and I told her

>

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I have heard that cast iron pots did that for years. I

think my mom told me. But you know, you do not think

about it till someone brings it up. I was wondering

about the HYDOXYZINE in connection for sleep. Also,

about any type of adverse side effects to blood...

Connie

--- CCampb3234@... wrote:

> Hi to all,

> Some information, first that

> medication the HYDROXYZINE 25mg. I

> did not read why you were writing about it, but my

> doctor gave it to me for

> terrible itching, it works great. It does have the

> medications that someone

> had posted. Another thing I had come across is stone

> wear( cast iron pots and

> pans) when cooking with them they produce iron in

> your food, I do not know

> how much, but I did throw all mine out. This is for

> , (HEADACHES),I

> suffer with migraines and headaches from the age of

> 12, I take fiornal w/

> codeine. It has aspirin in it, they do have fiornal-

> with Tylenol. I did talk

> to my doctor and since I do take them a lot, he

> feels the aspirin is most

> likely better for me than the Tylenol. Now one more

> thing, This is very

> upsetting, I am going to send you the page, and I

> truly hope that everyone

> and even people who do nor suffer with this virus

> can E-Mail or call the

> hospital, once you read the article you will

> understand. Please help this

> person.

>

> Thank you

>

> Subj:

> HEPC INFO: A Tucson father who faces certain death

> without a new liver

> Date: 9/17/00 11:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: hepatitis-central@... (HEP

> C INFO)

> CCAMPB3234@... (List Member)

>

> HEP C INFO - http://hepatitis-central.com

>

> OKAY... TIME TO CALL THE University Of Arizona

> Transplant Line...

>

> By Carla McClain

> ARIZONA DAILY STAR

>

> A Tucson father who faces certain death without a

> new liver has been

> kicked off the UA transplant list.

>

> University of Arizona transplant officials confirm

> that Rasmussen,

> 41, had been accepted for a lifesaving liver

> transplant but was taken off

> the list for what they call " abusive " behavior to

> nurses.

>

> The incident occurred while Rasmussen was

> hospitalized at University

> Medical Center, after he tried futilely for 40

> minutes to summon a nurse

> to unhook him from tubes during an attack of

> diarrhea, he said.

>

> Only words were exchanged during the incident,

> Rasmussen said, when a

> nurse " yelled " at him for unhooking his own tubes so

> he could go to the

> bathroom.

>

> " I said something wrong when I was very sick, and

> now it's a death

> sentence, " said Rasmussen, who has sole custody of

> his two young children,

> 5 and 7.

>

> " I had only one chance, and now I have no chance. It

> seems so strange to

> me. I don't know how one bad night can be enough to

> kill you. "

>

> Nursing charts at the time of the incident confirm

> that Rasmussen was

> plagued with diarrhea during his weeklong

> hospitalization for an extremely

> serious liver condition known as hepatic

> encephalopathy.

>

> The condition, which can be life threatening, is

> caused by hepatitis C,

> the disease that has destroyed Rasmussen's liver. He

> said he thinks he

> contracted hepatitis C when he got a tattoo as a

> teen-ager.

>

> The liver condition is known to cause disturbances

> of consciousness and

> psychiatric changes in the patient.

>

> Defending the decision to deny Rasmussen a

> transplant, UA officials point

> to the extreme scarcity of donor livers.

>

> " Livers are certainly scarce, and we have to make

> sure they go to people

> who will benefit from this gift, " said Constance

> Glasby, UMC's director of

> transplant services.

>

> " Success of a transplant depends on a patient's

> willingness and ability to

> comply with medical directions and on having a

> support system to help him

> through the entire process.

>

> " During this process, the patient develops a

> relationship with our team, a

> relationship that is permanent. You just don't get a

> transplant and then

> go off fancy-free. They're with us for life. It's a

> serious commitment -

> it's a marriage.

>

> " So the patient must refrain from causing any

> adverse relationship with

> the team and must refrain from destructive behavior.

>

>

> " I said something wrong when I was very sick, and

> now it's a death

> sentence. "

>

> Rasmussen

> Liver transplant patient

>

> " Mr. Rasmussen has demonstrated through specific

> actions or inactions that

> he cannot make this commitment. "

>

> Glasby added: " This is not just a single incident. "

>

> But she declined to elaborate further, saying " UMC

> is not comfortable

> discussing patients publicly. "

>

> An examination of Rasmussen's UMC medical records

> show only one

> hospitalization, for seven days in February, since

> he was accepted for

> transplant there in August 1999.

>

> While he was in the hospital - both before and after

> the diarrhea incident

> - nursing charts repeatedly describe Rasmussen as

> " pleasant, "

> " cooperative, " " appropriate, " " social " and

> " agreeable. " His psychological

> evaluation on the day he was discharged from UMC is

> marked " WNL " - " within

> normal limits. "

>

> It was only during one time period in the middle of

> his hospital stay that

> nursing charts note " agitation " and " impatience, " as

> well as " grieving "

> and " scared. "

>

> Rasmussen said he was severely bloated - a symptom

> of the encephalopathy -

> suffered severe diarrhea, was scared he might die

> and was worried about

> his children.

>

> It was that night that he could find no nurse to

> help him untangle his

> lines and sheets and go to the bathroom.

>

> " It seemed the nurses never had the time to be

> around. I could never get

> help, when I was bleeding or vomiting, or with the

> diarrhea, " he said.

>

> " This time, I pushed the button for 40 minutes, and

> no one came. I knew it

> was going to be a real mess. I had to go very badly.

> So I unhooked the

> heart monitor and broke one of the little plugs

> while I was doing it. "

>

> When he got back to his bed, the nurse came in and

> berated him for

> unhooking himself and breaking one of the lines, he

> said.

>

> " She got very upset. She said I should never do

> that, no matter what was

> going on. I don't know what I said. I think I said

> she should have been

> there to help. I was cranky. I admit it. I felt

> terrible, and I told her

>

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Pat,

Sorry to hear that now you have strep too, life just isn't fair at times

throws you all these trials at once

Hang in there, so far haven't been sick with any other illness since i

started combo

Suzy

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Pat,

Sorry to hear that now you have strep too, life just isn't fair at times

throws you all these trials at once

Hang in there, so far haven't been sick with any other illness since i

started combo

Suzy

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