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Hi Jan, I have irritable bowel syndrome, Migraines, prsoriasis, all stress related the doc says. I feel for you my friend, this is alot of stress on the whole family. I have a 10.5yr old daughter with OCD and now I am trying to come to grips with the fact that my 6yr old either has OCD or GAD. I just havnt taken her for a full eval yet. My husband has been working in Japan for the last 3months so I have had no help. I know exactly how you feel. Remember to take some time for yourself even if its 30min. and don't feel guilty about it. You have to keep yourself strong. Feel free to write anytime my friend!

My prayers are with you,

Nikki in Orlando

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Jan, (jmb152@...)

Your concerns are 100% legitimate! Many of us have physical and emotional

ailments due to the stress of our lives.

Many times I have written about the concerns of the primary caregiver

collapsing from the weight of the responsibilities we carry. Some of us

have been prescribed anti-depressants to help deal with the stress, some use

exercise, time away, and therapy to help them cope.

I too worry about what will be when I'm no longer here to pick up the

pieces when one of my ocd'ers has a set back. I have looked into all kinds

of options, including semi-independent living. But when the kids are well,

they dont fit the criteria for this kind of housing!

I will repost a note a wrote about a month ago about self care...

For you, I suggest looking into a therapist with experience in dealing

with OCD in the family, or at least with other mental health issues. You

dont necessarily need a psychologist (you could work with a social worker,

clergy or any one trained in the field). Talking to someone face to face can

be quite helpful. Writing here with your concerns can also help you... we

are here to support each other.

Please, take care of yourself. wendy in canada

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>Hi all. I was just wondering if any of you parents developed any

>illness due to the high stress of living with an OCD child.

>Sometimes I think I am developing an ulcer from all the up and down

>emotions, the meltdowns, the successes and then letdowns, the

>constant psycological advice I give my son to bolster him up, etc.

>Does anyone develop high blood pressure, etc. from all this?

>Sometimes I wonder how long I am going to live, due to the constant

>everyday stress of it all. Its bound to have an effect on our mental,

>physical well-being. Also, having a child with severe OCD, I

>wonder who will be around for him when I'm gone, if he is never able

>to support himself? Thanks for listening.

>Jan

>

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Hi Jan:

I could have written your post!!

About three years after Steve's OCD became unmistakable I started to

realize that I was dealing with life in a less effective way. Anxiety is

incredibly contagious. His CBT therapist told me perhaps I had PTSD from

not being able to find competent help for months and months and actually

getting care that was damaging to Steve and his family. I thought I had

depression but it did not seem quite to match the DSM-IV criteria. With

the encouragement of buddies on this list I went to my GP and got an

anti-depressant.

When I read the insert on Effexor and read more about GAD, slowly the penny

started to drop. At the last OCF conference there were a couple of

sessions on GAD and they really clarified for me what my problem (or at

least one of them) is.

I would tell myself anyone facing what I was would worry, and it was hard

for me to recognize that it had gotten out of hand. One thing was obvious,

I had an eternal committee meeting going on in my head! I believe I have

GAD, now quite well treated by Effexor XR and CBT treatments using E & RP.

It seems that GAD is pretty closely related to OCD. I call it OCD but

without a good imagination. ALso worries do not stick in our brains and

get repeated over and over but they float from one thing to another quite

rapidly.

I remind myself that worry is interest paid on a debt which has not yet

become due. My goals for parenting Steve include getting him to learn how

to live with his OCD and other alphabet soup and become as independent as

possible. It is hard work, but the success he has achieved in learning how

to live with OCD is astounding to me. This will happen for your son too.

Our job as parents, of both NT and NBD kids, is to encourage them to feel

they are capable of managing well on their own. Unfortunately when we

worry about this, they pick up on it and we can unknowingly sabotage their

self-confidence that we are striving so hard to reinforce.

I tell myself that when I am gone, if Steve can't cope there is nothing I

can do about it. There is no point in worrying about things I cannot do

anything about (I read the Serenity Prayer often) as it is only me beating

myself up unnecessarily and stops me enjoying the moment. What will my

worry do to address the problem? Nothing, probably; possibly make my life

worse and affect Steve negatively. So I expose myself to my worry by

imagining I am dead and Steve is suffering terrribly and stay with that

thought until I get tired of it. It would take an hour when I first

started this. Also I get coaching from my therapist. HE does paradoxical

stuff with me and this shocks me into seeing things differently.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathyh@...

At 05:49 AM 01/20/2001 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi all. I was just wondering if any of you parents developed any

>illness due to the high stress of living with an OCD child.

>Sometimes I think I am developing an ulcer from all the up and down

>emotions, the meltdowns, the successes and then letdowns, the

>constant psycological advice I give my son to bolster him up, etc.

>Does anyone develop high blood pressure, etc. from all this?

>Sometimes I wonder how long I am going to live, due to the constant

>everyday stress of it all. Its bound to have an effect on our mental,

>physical well-being. Also, having a child with severe OCD, I

>wonder who will be around for him when I'm gone, if he is never able

>to support himself? Thanks for listening.

>Jan

>

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Hi Kathy,

This is something great to make Steve learn to live with his OCD. I tried so

hard with my son Amer to fmiliarlize the idia that he has OCD & he is

getting much better than before, & you have to ignore what idias comes to

your mind & try to live with it & control it as much as possible, because

you are a strong grown up child & so on.

What I want to ask you what approach you took to help Steve to live with

his OCD without affecting his life much, Can I have some idias to try it

with my son?

Thank

Huda

>From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...>

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>Subject: Re: Parents illnesses

>Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:23:50 -1000

>

>Hi Jan:

>

>I could have written your post!!

>

>About three years after Steve's OCD became unmistakable I started to

>realize that I was dealing with life in a less effective way. Anxiety is

>incredibly contagious. His CBT therapist told me perhaps I had PTSD from

>not being able to find competent help for months and months and actually

>getting care that was damaging to Steve and his family. I thought I had

>depression but it did not seem quite to match the DSM-IV criteria. With

>the encouragement of buddies on this list I went to my GP and got an

>anti-depressant.

>

>When I read the insert on Effexor and read more about GAD, slowly the penny

>started to drop. At the last OCF conference there were a couple of

>sessions on GAD and they really clarified for me what my problem (or at

>least one of them) is.

>

>I would tell myself anyone facing what I was would worry, and it was hard

>for me to recognize that it had gotten out of hand. One thing was obvious,

>I had an eternal committee meeting going on in my head! I believe I have

>GAD, now quite well treated by Effexor XR and CBT treatments using E & RP.

>It seems that GAD is pretty closely related to OCD. I call it OCD but

>without a good imagination. ALso worries do not stick in our brains and

>get repeated over and over but they float from one thing to another quite

>rapidly.

>

>I remind myself that worry is interest paid on a debt which has not yet

>become due. My goals for parenting Steve include getting him to learn how

>to live with his OCD and other alphabet soup and become as independent as

>possible. It is hard work, but the success he has achieved in learning how

>to live with OCD is astounding to me. This will happen for your son too.

>Our job as parents, of both NT and NBD kids, is to encourage them to feel

>they are capable of managing well on their own. Unfortunately when we

>worry about this, they pick up on it and we can unknowingly sabotage their

>self-confidence that we are striving so hard to reinforce.

>

>I tell myself that when I am gone, if Steve can't cope there is nothing I

>can do about it. There is no point in worrying about things I cannot do

>anything about (I read the Serenity Prayer often) as it is only me beating

>myself up unnecessarily and stops me enjoying the moment. What will my

>worry do to address the problem? Nothing, probably; possibly make my life

>worse and affect Steve negatively. So I expose myself to my worry by

>imagining I am dead and Steve is suffering terrribly and stay with that

>thought until I get tired of it. It would take an hour when I first

>started this. Also I get coaching from my therapist. HE does paradoxical

>stuff with me and this shocks me into seeing things differently.

>

>Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (h)

>kathyh@...

>

>At 05:49 AM 01/20/2001 -0000, you wrote:

> >Hi all. I was just wondering if any of you parents developed any

> >illness due to the high stress of living with an OCD child.

> >Sometimes I think I am developing an ulcer from all the up and down

> >emotions, the meltdowns, the successes and then letdowns, the

> >constant psycological advice I give my son to bolster him up, etc.

> >Does anyone develop high blood pressure, etc. from all this?

> >Sometimes I wonder how long I am going to live, due to the constant

> >everyday stress of it all. Its bound to have an effect on our mental,

> >physical well-being. Also, having a child with severe OCD, I

> >wonder who will be around for him when I'm gone, if he is never able

> >to support himself? Thanks for listening.

> >Jan

> >

>

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Hi Huda:

Rationalizing with our kids that they have to control their OCD and they

are strong does not work. What works is to get them going with exposure

and response prevention therapy. They need encouragement and support to do

this and so letting them know we believe they have the resilience,

determination and strength to do this tough therapy can help, but it is no

substitute for their actually doing exposures and stopping their rituals to

reduce their anxiety.

The best way to start is to make sure you have their agreement to try

bossing back OCD. THey need to be in the driver's seat but they do need to

make progress. I believe it is incredibly difficult for a parent of a

teenager to be their therapist, no matter how competent a therapist the

parent might be. ONce they agree you can work on developing a hierarchy of

their symptoms from the hardest to the easiest to resist. YOu need to

tackle those which are of intermediate difficulty and design exposures and

get your son to agree he will not participate in his usual rituals. What

you should see is a pronounced anxiety spike and you know it is working.

You have to stick with it for an hour or two until habituation happens.

This is a very rough description. I suggest you read some treatment

manuals, like Dr. Steketee's, Dr. Foa's and Dr. March's. Also I like the

books written by our list docs and by Dr. Lee Baer, " Getting Control " and

his new " The Imp of the Mind " . These give great examples and ideas for

designing exposures.

Often our kids do not want to share their obsessions with their parents.

SOmetimes they are of a violent or sexual nature which is very embarrassing

to them. That is why it is helpful to find a therapist for them. Also

they sometimes try harder for a stranger than for their own parents, whom

they feel should cut them more slack.

Yesterday Steve did some E & RP at the top of his hierarchy and I think I did

not quite keep him hanging in until habituation. Also I believe he was

doing some rituals which also interfered. So I kept contaminating him. He

came to pick me up at the beach after his therapist had exposed him to a

lot of hippies and druggies. He bought items from the hippies and reviewed

a lot of bongs and crack cocaine paraphenalia.

Going to find me at the beach just was the icing on the cake. I was

floating on these foam noodles in a hot volcanic pool by the ocean. Of

course the noodles are very contaminated. SO his therapist and he had a

mock battle using these foamies as swords. I was a bit worried as she is

just recovering from a bad car accident. He did get into the play part of

it, but was still hesitant to touch the noodles after their mock battle was

over. Also he did not want to touch me much. SO I kept encouraging him to

and we would set ever longer times to keep his clothes on and not shower.

He stripped off when I was not looking but did agree to postpone his shower

for five minutes. Well with OCD there is always more to work on.....

If you share what your son's symptoms are and what you believe his

hierarchy is, I am sure a number of us will have some creative suggestions

for exposures. Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathyh@...

At 07:04 AM 01/22/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>

>Hi Kathy,

>This is something great to make Steve learn to live with his OCD. I tried so

>hard with my son Amer to fmiliarlize the idia that he has OCD & he is

>getting much better than before, & you have to ignore what idias comes to

>your mind & try to live with it & control it as much as possible, because

>you are a strong grown up child & so on.

>What I want to ask you what approach you took to help Steve to live with

>his OCD without affecting his life much, Can I have some idias to try it

>with my son?

>Thank

>Huda

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Hi Nikki and all,

SInce my husband died in July I have been dealing with this all on my own. I have no support system except this group and I want to thank you all for your support.

Just last week I started seeing a therapist for all of my issues and I have many. I had to cut back from full time work to part time just to find time to go to therapy for myself and take my son to his various doctors, bring the kids to school etc.

Sometimes I get chest pains and wonder what's going to happen. I know that stress is a killer literally and I'm under so much stress all the time I'm surprised it hasn't killed me yet.

My husband died of a heart attack and sometimes I think I'm getting chest pains because I worry about that.

I just hope things get better with time ,

Terry M

Re: Parents illnesses

Hi Jan, I have irritable bowel syndrome, Migraines, prsoriasis, all stress related the doc says. I feel for you my friend, this is alot of stress on the whole family. I have a 10.5yr old daughter with OCD and now I am trying to come to grips with the fact that my 6yr old either has OCD or GAD. I just havnt taken her for a full eval yet. My husband has been working in Japan for the last 3months so I have had no help. I know exactly how you feel.

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HI Terry:

Good for you, taking that step to take care of #1. It is hard to do this,

and in your circumstances as a single parent, it is extra tough, so your

achievement is all the more impressive.

Good luck, wishing you improved health and wellbeing ahead, take care,

aloha, Kathy (h)

kathyh@...

At 06:19 PM 01/22/2001 -0800, you wrote:

> Hi Nikki and all, I have no support system except this group and I

>want to thank you all for your support. I know that stress is a

>killer literally and I'm under so much stress all the time I'm surprised it

> hasn't killed me yet. My husband died of a heart attack and sometimes I

>think I'm getting chest pains because I worry about that. I just hope

>things get better with time , Terry M ----- Original Message -----

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Hi Terry, I will continue to pray for you and your family! I know that if I did not have my faith in God I dont know that I could have gotten through all this as well as we have. I pray that the lord will give you peace in your heart and wisdom to help your family and yourself get through these very difficult times.

My thoughts and prayers are with you my friend,

Nikki This is one verse that I refer to often and I thought I'd share it.

"So do not fear, for I am with you;do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. Isaiah 41:10

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