Re: CKD Diet Questions

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Hiya mate,

If your goal is to lose bodyfat, and keep lean mass- considor this diet - it has

worked wonders for everyone who has tried it so far.

Enjoy:

Sammuel Damon

Birmingham,UK

[Note that specific details on the use of drugs or dieting regimes appearing

on this list are not sanctioned or supported by this list. Letters such as

these

involve medical issues which are solely for discussion purposes and need to be

viewed in this light, as well as being re-examined alongside suitable

peer-reviewed

references and clinical findings. The use of drugs is not merely like the

conconction

of some gourmet meal, but a serious task which one should consider in

collaboration

with suitably experienced medical experts and other researchers. It is most

important to

appreciate that response to any supplements and diets is very individual and

what suits

one person does not necessarily suit anyone else. As was said many years ago:

" One man's

meat is another man's poison. " Mel Siff]

Anyway-If this keto diet(fad) is a means to an

end, then could you post as usual from the above doted line, the following

attachment, done in conjunction with even the mildest dose of juice could be

analogised like comparing a gt hatchback to a mclaren f1. I must stress

again, that this was written for a different audience, so just combine all

you know about pharmalogical approaches to fat loss with it, for incredible

results in 2 days. DO NOT DO THIS DIET WITHOUT JUICE! YOU WOULD DISSAPEAR

BEFORE YOUR EYES!!.

_Sammueal_Damon@...

The 2 Day Diet.

Although multifarious dietary theories have, and will continue to abound,

the majority being spawned for economic reasons- There are two fundamental

central tenets which continue to hold true:

1) In order to gain weight, one must ingest more calories than one expends.

2) In order to lose weight, one must expend more calories than one ingests.

With the second point in mind, it is important to realise, that one cannot

exist in this state perpetually, without incurring several undesirable side

effects.

When restricting calorific intake for the purposes of weight reduction, a

principle concern for the male athlete must be that of depletion of lean

mass, something, which, in the main is to be avoided like the plague. This

worry goes some way to explaining why pro bodybuilders exist in seasons.

'Off' season is when they will carry their excess bulk, & , approaching 'on'

season is when they start to shed this extra weight in any number of

inventive ways. For the majority of 'appearance-driven' individuals, the

luxury of a 'season' lasting months simply cannot be afforded- so, for this

purpose, we shall condense a season into a one or two week period. The

reason why one cannot perpetually exist in a negative calorific balance

(point II) is because with the technology we have available to us at

present, the idea of how many calories we expend is at best, an

approximation.

So, if one was to restrict intake severely and consistently,

Eventually one would deplete ones fat reserves, and then, in the absence of

glycogen, the next step would likely be the release of the bodies protein

stores, that is, lean mass. The reality of the situation is that due to

uneducated dietary structure, many well intentioned individuals incur the

wrath of catabolism, long before doing any serious damage to their fat

reserves. There are circulating theories about comparatively high, and

comparatively low carb days being used interchangeably to miraculous effect,

and it is this theory, slightly modified, that I propose to use.

It is also held that a minor intake of 'essential' fats, stimulates the body

to relinquish it's stored fat easier. I propose to take this theory as fact

for a two day period, and then to measure body composition afterwards.

There are several mechanisms that work 'for' the athlete when dieting, and

several that conspire 'against'. There are 3 fundamental things that work

'against' the dieter.

1) Poor spread of objective information on the subject, most having been

disseminated by supplement companies, or others with a financial agenda,

rather than altruism. 2) Insulin. The bodies most anabolic hormone. 3)

Dieters willpower, or lack thereof.

The supplement market is saturated with the critical overuse of the term

'synergy'. However, If any individual can attack all of the three above from

several different angles, at the same time, the combined thrust could most

definitely be termed 'synergistic', and the results, awesome. Of course, the

converse is true, if the athlete neglects even one of the above mechanisms

in his attack on fat reserves, it will most likely cripple his entire

efforts.

The ideal weight loss situation would be that a switch could be flicked, and

from that point on, the body would meet it's energy needs from stored fat.

From the bodies perspective this would be ideal, after all, 1 gram of fat

releases on average 9 calories, which is more than 1 gram of carbohydrate,

and 1 gram of protein combined. (Both release 4 each) From the evolutionary

perspective, aside from insulation of the organs, and the organism as a

whole, the main purpose of fat reserves is to ensure the survival of the

organism during periods when food is scare. This is obviated by the fact

that when the body perceives it is being starved, it places virtually all

ingested materials into adipose storage.

Also, anyone attending gymnasiums regularly will notice as a rule that most

coloured athletes seem to carry

less body fat. This appears to be due to a facet of the process of genetic

evolution which has predisposed them to deposit less fat, evolving as many

did, from warmer climes.

[This is sheer anecdote. If this genetic observation is correct, then why is

the incidence of obesity

among the same population group in non-athletic society so high? If you wish to

make any deductions

about genetics, you cannot simply consider a select athletic group and ignore

the rest of that same

population. This is tantamount to saying that all Americans have a genetic

predisposition to obesity

because the incidence of adult obesity or 'overweightedness' here is estimated

to be over 60 percent.

This also implies that environmental or " nurture " factors play no role in

bodyfat ratios. Mel Siff]

This 'ideal switch' situation is made even more difficult to emulate when one

considers that upon jumping out of bed in the

morning, we provide the body with sufficient energy from other sources,

usually a plentiful supply of glucose, which of course negates the need for

it to draw upon its reserves.

The body displays a nasty habit of storing excess calorific intake as fat.

So, as the body has a clear affinity for this energy source, we can

manipulate this, and for short periods 're-educate' it to subsist on this

abundant supply.

Usually the only 'pure' fat burning activity undertaken by a dieter using

conventional methods is around a 20 minute period of a 40 minute

cardiovascular workout, when their heart rate falls into an age specific

range, and, they have worked through the bodies 'energy hierarchy'. ATP and

creatine phosphate, Glycogen, plasma glucose, Plasma Free fatty acids, and

then, Adipose triglycerides. This activity is then curtailed after around 40

minutes as ones body has a tendency to release cortisol, which orders the

release of amino acids from muscle stores, to converted into glucose,

through a rather frustrating process called 'glycolysis.' It appears that we

are inhibited in our efforts to shed fat mass, as we must still take in

sufficient calories to fuel the exercise, performed for the purpose of

burning fat. A hard balance to strike, and harder to maintain… Well, Yes & No.

Our first mistake is to giving the body glucose early, as this 'trains' it,

(the taste buds and the psyche) To hunt for this . In short, we train the

body thereafter to seek the intake of glucose. Remember, the body being

concerned solely with our survival, rather than our conforming to a specific

shape or goal.

Considering the nature of our desire, this is extremely destructive. As is

the notion of 'gradual loss is permanent loss'. People lose fantastic

amounts of weight in the first month. The majority of which, especially for

the female dieter, is water. Following this, a loss of 2lb per week

disheartens the individual, who will eventually resort to binge eating in

the face of diminishing returns. Thereafter follows denial, and also the

downgrading of the metabolism via the thyroid and signals from a glycogen

depleted liver. So, instantly, will power is implicated, and with it, it's

protagonist or messenger, insulin. In fact, I do not think that it would be

too audacious to suggest that willpower is largely dependent upon, or, at

least heavily buffeted by this paradoxical hormone.

In funding exertion, our energy needs with glucose (Or complex

carbohydrates, which can only be utilised by the body when they have been

reduced to their constituent monosaccharides components.) We educate the

body, and stimulate,( or modify) behavioural pattern on the basis of this

experience. So, as our system tells us to ingest this vital substance, we

are aware of our eyes, minds and taste buds being drawn to pictures of sweet

foods. It would be fair to say of most dieters that they lust after cakes,

or have some particular 'nutritional' fantasy item! This causes what is

termed a 'sweet food craving'. This sweet food craving, (especially when the

fantasy item is dwelt upon) causes a physiological response in the form of

insulin secretion. This usually forces the body into the 'cephalic' , or

anticipatory state, in between mealtimes, so the secretion is to say the

least, a little untimely, or premature. This excess of insulin now makes

weight loss an increasingly uphill struggle.

The modified version of this is someone who starves themselves all day, and

then overdoses on potatoes, toast, cereal and the like, believing it to be a

lesser sin. It is not, it is likely worse. Consider the timing of the meal,

in light of the lack of energy expenditure in the evenings. The bodies

infantile 'sweet food cravings' are a manifestation of it's recognition of

our intention to starve it, and it responds by seeking the most

calorifically dense items it can.

You may notice that habit plays a part in this also. If you usually eat at set

time, (true of people in offices on set

breaks etc) your body will secrete insulin in anticipation 20-30mins prior,

and going past this point with no food is deadly to your goals, as you will

binge later. So, how to deal with insulin consistently without incurring

it's 'negative' effects? Quite simply, you must ingest something within the

first few minutes of the surge, that will blunt the spike swiftly, and cause

it to subside, before it can exert any substantial psychological effects,

and also avoid any subsequent ingestion being deposited into the adipose tissue.

Insulin is something of a problem for bodybuilders. Anyone seeking to build

muscle mass at an increased rate, need look no further than this endogenous

hormone, as its capacity for nutrient uptake, and its anti catabolic

effects are immense.

Pro body builders will often use insulin injections to

maximize the hormones potential. Recreational trainers, to afraid of stigma

to use anything labelled as 'a drug', will ingest potential lethal

quantities of supplements designed to enhance secretion and sensitivity to

it. Large doses of chromium, Alpha lipoic acid, coupled with 75 grams or

more of glucose to name a few. Many meals replacements are subject to the

addition of these compounds, and the additions are valid ones, when our goal

is tissue growth.

But here is the double edge of the blade. It is precisely

the anti catabolic properties that prevent the body liberating fat reserves

for use as fuel. As, by and large, the psyche depends on this to tell it

when to eat, and the male athlete bases his paranoia around catabolism upon

his detection of it's secretion, it is imperative on 'slimming days' to be

able to kill it as soon as we recognize its appearance. We know that when we

are hungry and fill our body with complex carbohydrates, it takes around 20

minutes for the satiety signal to be received, insulin secretion to taper

off, and the appetite centre to shut down, so whatever we use must be

sufficiently nutrient dense to cause this immediately. So, to trick our body

into satiety, we will give it the most nutrient dense item there is. Fat.

We must also effect our change in body composition rapidly, otherwise we

allow our psyche to wreak havoc upon our progress. We must, in the very real

sense, shock the body. The 'fact' that gradual loss is permanent loss is a

great theory, but in practice, is rubbish. Look around your gym. How many

individuals over the age of 25 are there, who have physiques you would

actively strive for? Everyone has heard of the theory, but cannot put it

into practice. If you stuck to the plan, it would work, but demands you do

this for months, with no relapse.

As obesity results from a habitual behavioural pattern, one would be unlikely to

shed the insecurities that led

to this pattern totally, and eventually, they will pervade the present. The

only problem we face with rapid fat loss is the 'rebound' effect. This

actuates it effects on a psycho-pharmaco-dynamic level. In short, the body

recognizes a change in body composition, and seeks to return to the previous

state, by making you desire excess food. We will attack this phenomenon at it's

level.

A process of re-education must take place for both the body, and

specific aspects of the mind. For the body, we will use fat. For the mind,

we will use pharmaceuticals. At this point, for anybody who insists on only

putting into their body what is 'natural', or 'herbal', (yet who drinks?!),

I would remind you that opium, cannabis, cocaine & caffeine are all

'herbal', and therefore 'natural' preparations. Also, Aids, cancer,

hepatitis and Alzheimer's are all 'natural'. Your body is a seething mass of

chemicals, & I guarantee that you will run to the doctors as soon as you

fear for your, or a loved ones health, and down any synthetic preparation

the BNF advises the doctor to proscribe you. Read the side effects of a

bottle of paracetamol, preferably a bottle from your cupboard.

The amusing things about people who staunchly refuse to use pharmaceuticals for

weight

loss, actually have everything they need already in their 'medicine

cabinets', just the label states pain relief, or decongestant. These people

have several crisis with their self image, pertaining not only to their weight.

As this group so eloquently express, it is more often not the

pharmaceuticals themselves that are the problem. With the majority of

non-cyto-toxic pharmaceuticals in uneducated use today, the two key issues

determining the implicit danger are ignorance, and impatience. Impatience

says to someone: " If I take x substance, and burn fat, or build muscle at

this rate, surely if I take 25 times the dose, then I will increase the

beneficial effects 25 fold.. " Oops.

For this program, we will be using a variety of substances, available at any

pharmacist or health food store. We will need some whey protein, and E/C/A

stack, some phenylpropanolamine Hydrochloride, a bottle of flaxseed oil

capsules, and EPA's, (1000 mg respectively), A popular thyroid supplement- I

have used Prolab's metabolic Thyrolean although there are many, Some

L-Tyrosine capsules, Some caffeine tablets, and concerned individuals might

wish to addition some Glutamine & /or Hydroxy-methyl-butrate.

The diet is simplicity itself as it attacks every possible problem area from

a multiplicity of angles, making relapse before results, actually difficult.

We cut out the influence of the complexes within the psyche pertaining to

over, or under eating, by only eating when we have insulin secretion. Upon

recognition of secretion, we arrest this in it's infancy, by chewing a

flaxseed or EPA capsule slowly, and swallowing.

This process should take a couple of minutes. Don't time yourself! The idea is

that by digesting the

oil slowly, the craving is dulled by the time you actually swallow the

capsule. The insulin spike subsides within about two minutes of you

swallowing the first drop of oil, the body responding to such a

'calorifically dense meal' (1gm of fat, 9 calories) Then, only when the

cravings have subsided, we sip between 20-30 gms of whey protein in 250ml of

water. I repeat, sip this with no urgency.

This casual consumption tricks the body and appetite centres. Repeat this in

about 2-3 hours when the next

surge hits you. The longer you register hunger, and leave the insulin

swishing around in your stomach in the belief that you must be burning lots

of calories, remember, whilst the insulin is present, you cannot convert fat

reserves into usable fuels! So, eat when you're hungry. Simple.

As we ingest no glucose, and take in our protein when the body is sated ( &

so avoiding glycolysis), the body is trained to use fat as it's primary

source of fuel, and, after the 9gm of calories have been expended, it hunts

for more fat, which because of the way we have elevated the metabolism,

finds plenty of circulating plasma fatty acids, having been recently

liberated from our triglyceride reserves.

Basically, due to the administration of a 'therapeutic' dosage of stimulants,

the body actually

expends calories sucking fat from our reserves for us to burn, which we will

do even at rest. Done correctly on a cardio day, the body can burn between

2-6000 calories, purely from fat. Assuming 3 days of weights are undertaken

a week, I would suggest doing this on cardio days, or, as I am currently

doing, at the weekend. Cardio, as I earlier stated, is made substantially

easier for the addition of stimulants to the diet.

[This depends on the " stimulant. " Possibly, the exercise may be perceived to be

easier, but

the body physiologically might not. This change in perceived ratings of effort

can

be very dangerous in situations involving strenuous physical activity. Mel

Siff]

This is achieved through a number of different mechanisms. The first is

metabolic rate. When the

metabolism is elevated, the dieter uses, or at least 'process' most ingested

compounds at an increased rate. This is how exercise functions, and also the

marginal metabolic increase achieved by people who eat six or more small meals

per day.

This principle, applied correctly allows muscle to be built,

and fat to be shed, all at an increased pace. It makes sense then, that if

the metabolism is significantly raised for a longer period, rather than just

during exercise, then this would be more beneficial for our purposes - as long

as the corresponding increase in appetite can be managed effectively.

To this end, we use Phenylpropanolamine Hydrochloride, in increments of

75mgs, to temporarily depress the functioning of the neural appetite centre,

and we blunt the insulin induced craving, with fat. With regard to the

consistent elevation of the metabolism, the ephedrine and caffeine work

wonders in this regard. At this point, we must mention satiety. Earlier, I

related how long it can take to register " Full! " when eating complex

carbohydrate, in that you can be actually be full, so to speak, but still be

driven to eat. The fat cause the signal to hit instantly. Thus, the problem

of appetite is addressed through a number of different neuro-physical pathways.

[Metabolic functions are " neurophysical " ?? Surely, the author of this means

" neurophysiological " . Is this another example of guru-speak? Mel Siff]

Our meals, dictated by insulin secretion, are not likely to be as

frequent as to cause substantial metabolism elevation, however they are

small, and used as an adjunct to the stimulants, we more than compensate for

this. Ephedrine is a indirectly acting sympathomimetic beta 2 agonist. In

plainer English, Ephedrine has a specific effect on the release of fat from

storage, as does Clenbuterol. Shots of adrenaline, and noradrenaline would

do admirably for this purpose, when available. Caffeine does not display

this affinity for lipolysis, however, it serves other useful functions for

us. It stimulates the metabolism, causing it to increase in rate marginally,

it improves concentration and endurance (in sufficient doses), useful during

dieting training sessions, but more interestingly, it promotes water loss

from subcutaneous stores. Its function for shedding excess water is an

invaluable one, so, when diuresis is required, shift the balance of

stimulant intake in favour of caffeine, via your caffeine tablets.

The aspirin component of the E/C/A stack is important, as it prevents the

incorporation of acetate into fat, and thus of fats in significant

quantities into adipose tissue. Anybody who uses an E/C/A stack, or

ephedrine on weights days for strength, or just generally, yet are worried

about ceasing it's usage in case strength levels decrease, should supplement

with at least 3gms of L-tyrosine daily, for several weeks. This is because

Ephedrine causes a release of Epinephrine, and norepinephrine from tissue

stores, which accounts for half of it's efficacy as a stimulant.

These neurotransmitters are constructed in various metabolic pathways, from

substrates ingested in the diet. When carbohydrate intake is restricted, it

is virtually impossible to get the correct amount of these substrates into

the body. These can be synthesised from the L-tyrosine supplementation. When

calories are restricted, we often feel sluggish, irritable, unable to

concentrate, demotivated and hungry, and more pertinently, less able to

control the cravings. Levels of serotonin and other neurotransmitters drop,

causing these conditions, However, L-tyrosine will cure this. L-Tyrosine is

also contained in most thyroid preparations. Although the primary function

of these thyroid supplements is to maintain conversion of T-4 to T-3

hormones at a consistent, and thus 'normal', metabolic rate. This is often

necessitated because after around 2 weeks or more into a seriously

restricted diet, the thyroid slows down metabolic functioning to compensate

for the drop in calories.

Obviously, as our diet lasts 2 days at a stretch, we will not incur this drop,

but we can still benefit from the tyrosine

content, and the false signal sent on behalf of the liver, stating that it

is saturated with glycogen, which assists in metabolism maintenance.

Spending time in a sauna and/or steam room is a beneficial exercise in

raising the bodies temperature, and thus temporarily increasing calorie

output. I find alternating a stint in the sauna, with standing in the pool

until I start shivering mildly, not only immensely helpful in so far as

burning calories, but the shivering is essentially a series of isometric

muscle contractions, which leaves you looking and feeling massively toned.

However, you may notice that after spending an appreciable amount of time in

the sauna, concurrently with stimulant usage, that you feel incapable of

doing much except sitting down, & vacantly looking at the floor. It appears

that a temporary shortage of neurotransmitters can be brought about by the

heat and a heightened metabolism.

[sheer conjecture - 'shortages' of neurotransmitters have not been shown in

normal

healthy individuals and may be associated with huge changes in state and with

very serious

disorders. Mel Siff]

The solution to this is of course Tyrosine, taken before and after your

(thermogenic - thermogenics) session.

I have personally found supplementing heavily with Tyrosine to be of great

help in providing a psychological boost, as after a day of working, training

and dieting I tend to slump in front of the TV, whereupon I am confronted by

hundreds of commercials for unnecessary junk food, messages my unconscious

battles with, and in it's depleted state, presents no match for them!

[in the absence of any accompanying references, this view about Tyrosine is

solely anecdotal. Mel Siff]

" Go on (get fat!) treat yourself! You (your impoverished ego) deserve it! "

Another Compound called DMAE (Dimethylaminoethanol) found in quality

pre-formulated E/C/A stacks along with tyrosine can make all the difference

between sticking to a diet, or failing.

Things to avoid like the plague during these two days are: Creatine, the

sooner you deplete your ATP reserves, the sooner you progress through the

energy hierarchy!

[Are you suggesting that oral creatine will exert an acute effect on changes in

cellular ATP and

CP ? If so, do you have any references to support this view? By the way, what

exactly do you

mean by " progress through the energy hierarchy " ? Mel Siff]

Carbohydrates. Obviously. Even reduce vitamin pill intake,

anything with a sucrose content, however minor. This is why you should opt

for a quality whey protein supplement, not only for minimal carb content, a

reasonable spectrum of vitamins, but also for a higher content of

Glycomacropeptides.

These have been linked to the release of the gut peptide

Cholecystokinin (CCK), a peptide believed to not only affect peripheral

organs, but also to bind to receptors in the brain, where it promotes the

feeling of satiety, leading ultimately to smaller portions being consumed,

if it's release can be re-elicited. Whilst probably not sufficient to effect

a large change in body composition and dietary intake by itself, the

addition of yet another device such as this, can only serve to strengthen

the dieters offensive. Avoid diet preparations! Not only do they contain

carbohydrates, but more destructively, chromium! By all means, use heavily

on training days, as for the purposes of tissue growth, they will serve

admirably, but abstain for the two day period.

As a generic aside on the subject, avoid the 'slim fast', and the 'nourishment'/

'nutrament' brand.

The carbohydrate content is comprised almost entirely of sugar, and the

protein is of the cheap and difficult to assimilate variety.

It is imperative for these two days to keep your water intake down. Most

'healthy' people drown their body with litres of water, when by far the most

practical way to meet your bodies fluid requirements in day to day life is

by eating water rich foods. Water, when combined with nutrients makes

cellular uptake require virtually no extra effort. Also, getting nutrients

from a liquid source means your energy levels throughout the day will soar,

and you will sleep far more restfully at night.

Estimates vary, but the amount of energy the body expends in a day just trying

to digest

incompatible foodstuffs is immense. By incompatible, I mean forcing the body

to digest and absorb protein and carbohydrate simultaneously. Protein

requires and acidic medium to break it down, and render it ready for

absorption, and carbohydrate, an alkali. Do you recall from science what

happens when an acid an alkali meet in solution? Neutralised. Oops! The body

has to then re-synthesise these solutions constantly, meanwhile, you've got

this deadweight inside you, release nothing of any value yet. This is why

liquidised foods make far more sense, simply because you remove the major

effort for the body, and all it has to do is absorb the nutrients. It is

more than happy to absorb protein and carbohydrates at the same time.

However, we digress. The main reason we will be limiting our water intake is

because we do not want our stomach to expand. There is a belief that by

filling the stomach with a non-calorific substance, such as water, just

prior to a meal, that they feeling of satiety will be achieved sooner.

Temporarily this is successful (for about 1, 1.5 hours), but afterwards, it

is ultimately destructive. The water is expelled long before the 2-3 hour

'water shed' period usually left in between well planned meals, and long

before you actually need to eat again. So the food is still being used, and

the stomach begins to contract drastically and early, sending hunger signals

everywhere, and the body enters the cephalic state long before it is

warranted for energy requirements, insulin is secreted, and you then spend

about 1.5 hours, starving, craving, and unable to liberate triglycerides

from storage because of the presence of insulin.

Because of this seemingly innocuous device, slimming is made far more difficult

than it needs to be.

Much more practical to get the stomach accustomed to a reduced capacity

early. Also, the same amount of protein powder, in a smaller amount of

water, presents the body with a more nutrient dense meal, per capita-so to

speak, The benefits of this speak for themselves.

In the evening substitute turkey or tuna for powder, but measure the

portions to yield around 25-30gms. Due to the presence of circulating

hormones, morning is the best time it seems, to plough into existing fat

stores. Upon rising, take your pills with a pint of water maximum. Then

prepare your effects for the day at an increased pace, possibly to your

favourite music. Have a vigorous shower, scrubbing your muscles groups, run

up and down the stairs for about 5 mins, do a couple of toning sets on

something, (make sure whichever part you tone has had adequate recovery time

from the last session though.) have sex etc etc.

The idea being to get through the first stages of the energy hierarchy, and into

triglyceride

usage. After 30 minutes or so, the ephedrine will cut in and take over,

maintaining this elevated metabolism for several hours, which is when you

retake the E/C/A stack. However, as far as your body is concerned, you have

just performed a decent cardio workout, and, in the absence of exogenous

glucose, this can only benefit you in one way. Between 70-95% of this energy

will come from fat.

Dependent upon what you have eaten the previous day, how

much glycogen you have, how fast you metabolise the ephedrine etc. Either

way, a great start to a promising day. After around 40 minutes, consider

eating. This is the only, I repeat only time when you should hasten the

spike psychosomatically. The reason for this is two fold. First, to avoid

putting the body into 'starvation mode.' It is also useful for conning the

body into thinking that it's exercise is over, as cortisol production cuts

in at around 45 minutes. Cortisol is a very quick way to lose the weight you

want to keep. All following meals should be dictated by the stomach alone.

Forestall the effects of cortisol release, if you wish, by taking an HMB

capsule (not powder) with your pint of water, as you want it to cut in at

around 30-40 minutes, and not be oxidised the minute it enters the

heightened metabolism. Glutamine, (25mg per day in 5mg shots) is an awesome

anti-catabolic, and immune booster, but shake it into the protein mix, just

prior to consumption (A few minutes before). Adding it to the water in the

morning, with the days drinks, (or the night before if you're really

organised!) will ensure that it becomes denatured by the time you come to

drink it. Repeat your E/C/A/ stack 3 times daily, to compensate for the

short half life of these compounds, and to keep the metabolism elevated

consistently, which will make your psychological management far easier. Take

your thyroid preparation 3-4 times daily (as required), with food. Take your

phenylpropanolamine 1 hour prior to when bitter experience tells you will be

getting hungry. If obtaining these compounds clean proves difficult,

consider:

'Sinutab' yields 12.5gms of Phenylpropanolamine Hydrochloride, per tablet-

75mg is considered to be a therapeutic dosage where appetite suppression is

concerned.

Ephedrine is widely available under the Chinese name of 'ma-haung'. You

require between 25-50mg per E/C/A dose, so some maths will be required, if

using an legal English slimming preparation. Also don't panic if you tablets

contain sida cordifolia, white willow etc, these will not hinder you in your

goals. Franol plus,Do Do chest eeze,CAM, are preparations on sale to the

public, containing ephedrine with no paracetamol. I suspect Ephedrine is

'illegal' or illicit, as it is often the base substance used in the

manufacture of Methamphetamine, and the structural alterations, necessary to

change one into the other, are minimal.

By this logic, it should be considered that in most heroin available illegally,

there is more talcum

powder than actual diacetylmorphine, gram for gram. Psuedoephedrine is an

analogue, specifically of Ephedrine, having less side effects, such as

tremulousness. It can be obtained in a good starting does of 60mg, without

paracetamol, all over the country. It makes an amusing adjunct to the E/C/A/

stack, but be careful of insulin function if taking more than 120mg a time.

Aspirin is widely available as salicylic acid, in 101 preparations

worldwide. Caffeine is available as pro-plus to name but one, but is also

added to din and the like. Such a mixture is ideal. I believe caffeine

is also the main constituent of 'guarna,' but pure is best. Don't drink

coffee, and/or coke, for the excess liquid, and calorific content. Also,

carbonated beverages dry your skin unnecessarily, which, due to the low

water intake and diuretic element of this concoction, we should avoid.

The major consideration when constructing this diet from proprietary

medications should be the paracetamol content. 10-15gms of paracetamol

imparts a serious risk of hepatoxicity to you. 20-30 tablets has been

documented to cause severe hepatocellular necrosis. If you are constructing

this cycle in the above manner, purchase some methionine from your health

food shop, as it will afford your liver some protection. Also, it has a good

cosmetic effect on your hair.

High Androgen levels will directly complement the burning of fats, which is

why until around 19-21, men can, by and large, eat greater amounts than they

can for the rest of their lives, and remain comparatively lean. An

anti-oestrogenic compound used in addition to this diet will produce

dramatic results, and also reduce the possibility of catabolism. As will any

supplement that raises the bodies endogenous levels of androgens via

Lutenising, or follicle stimulating hormone. 'Tribestan' I have found to be

awesomely effective in this regard, effecting visible decreases in water

retention, and a firmer look to the muscles, in around 3 weeks.

A male suffering with 'stubborn fat deposits', especially on the hips, buttocks,

thighs and chest area, should seriously consider the addition of an

anti-estrogenic compound (not chrysin!), as it is likely this feminine

hormone that cause this troublesome deposition. Again, the diet, and the

supplements will work like a dream together, with marked changes in body

composition, for the better, occurring.

" Feed your body, not your taste buds "

Whilst pharmaceuticals are invaluable for 'restabilizing' eating patterns,

there is no substitute for willpower, and it is usually the mentally induced

cravings, that defeat well intentioned individuals. Of vital importance is

to replace fantasies of cakes and chocolate, with fantasies of a better

looking body, and the impact that will have on your ego, sex life, and

health in general.

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Date: July 06, 2001

Author: MD (A body building competitor)

hey, I skimmed that body of literature and it was exactly what I followed

during my last show!! Worked like a charm. thanks bro. MD

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From: " Jean-Michel F Moreau " <jean_f_moreau@...>

>Hi Everyone,

>

>I noticed that most Supertraining posts are very technical. Is this

>sort of post OK? Im posting this here because it seems very hard to

>get any real answers via usenet. (Im sorta giving up on usenet). If

>there is a better forum for this type of Question please let me know. --

>Thanks

>

>I got my BF% tested and I'm 170lb at 16.9%bf. Next month I want to

>start dieting to lose the extra fat I've gained. I want to lose

>10lbs in one month and I want to try the CKD diet. I want to keep as

>much muscle as possible. I read some info about it at hbstores.com but

>I still have a few Questions. As far as I understand it, I should do my

>normal 3 day split on Mon, Tues, Wed. And a hard full body workout on

>the weekend on the morning of my cheat day. Also I just orded Lyle's book.

>

>Here are my Questions:

>

>1.) Should my first 3 workouts be the exact same as my normal routine?

> Or should I take it lighter? Like should I do all three sets of all my

>lifts?

>

>2.) How much cardio should I do and how many days a week should I do

>it? How long should I do cardio for each day?

>

>3.) Should I expect my lifting poundages to stay the same, go up or go

>down.

>

>4.) Any other tips?

>

>Here is my current routine: (still rehabbing PCL reconstruction)

>

>*Pull: Deadlift 15x3; Pullups 7x2 reg, 7x2 neutral; Shrugs 10x3; Rows

>10x3; Curls 10x2; Grip stuff.

>

>*Push: Clean & Press 5x2; Clean 5x3; BP 10x3; Incline 10x3; Dips 10x3.

>

>*Legs: Leg press 15x3 norm, 10x3 left only; Abduction; Leg curls; VMO; Calves.

>

>Jean-Michel F Moreau

[Guest guest]

> I got my BF% tested and I'm 170lb at 16.9%bf. Next month I want to

> start dieting to lose the extra fat I've gained. I want to lose

> 10lbs in one month and I want to try the CKD diet. I want to keep as

> much muscle as possible. I read some info about it at hbstores.com but

> I still have a few Questions. As far as I understand it, I should do my

> normal 3 day split on Mon, Tues, Wed. And a hard full body workout on

> the weekend on the morning of my cheat day. Also I just orded Lyle's

book.

>

While you can certainly lose ten pounds in one month, losing ten pounds OF

FAT in one month is very unlikely - certainly too rigorous to be

muscle-sparing.

> Here are my Questions:

>

> 1.) Should my first 3 workouts be the exact same as my normal routine?

> Or should I take it lighter? Like should I do all three sets of all my

lifts?

Same.

>

> 2.) How much cardio should I do and how many days a week should I do

> it? How long should I do cardio for each day?

For the purpose of muscle sparing, none. For the purpose of fat loss, a

little: maybe 20 minutes 3 times a week.

>

> 3.) Should I expect my lifting poundages to stay the same, go up or go

down.

If you lose ten pounds in a month, down. If you shoot for a pound of fat

loss a week, up or steady.

>

> 4.) Any other tips?

>

> Here is my current routine: (still rehabbing PCL reconstruction)

This is very nearly a routine: excellent first try. You didn't list any

poundages, and grip stuff and calves are sketchy descriptions that you could

replace with exercises, sets, reps, and poundages, but on balance, very not

bad for a first draft.

That said....

>

> *Pull: Deadlift 15x3; Pullups 7x2 reg, 7x2 neutral; Shrugs 10x3; Rows

> 10x3; Curls 10x2; Grip stuff.

Excellent routine, though if you're listing sets x reps that's a lot of

sets, and if you're listing reps x sets fifteen is awfully high reps for

deadlifts.

>

> *Push: Clean & Press 5x2; Clean 5x3; BP 10x3; Incline 10x3; Dips 10x3.

Clean is a pull exercise, not a push exercise.

>

> *Legs: Leg press 15x3 norm, 10x3 left only; Abduction; Leg curls; VMO;

Calves.

Why are you not squatting?

>

> Jean-Michel F Moreau

> Portland, Oregon

Kurland

Austin and Chicago

[Guest guest]

jean_f_moreau@... writes:

> I noticed that most Supertraining posts are very technical. Is this

> sort of post OK? Im posting this here because it seems very hard to

> get any real answers via usenet. (Im sorta giving up on usenet). If

> there is a better forum for this type of Question please let me know. --

The best mailing list for this question is the lowcarb list. Go to:

http://www.solid.net/lowcarb/

> I got my BF% tested and I'm 170lb at 16.9%bf. Next month I want to

> start dieting to lose the extra fat I've gained. I want to lose

> 10lbs in one month and I want to try the CKD diet. I want to keep as

> much muscle as possible. I read some info about it at hbstores.com but

> I still have a few Questions. As far as I understand it, I should do my

> normal 3 day split on Mon, Tues, Wed. And a hard full body workout on

> the weekend on the morning of my cheat day.

You would be better off doing some type of lower body workout on Monday, and

an upper body workout on Tuesday. Nothing except aerobics on Wed/Thurs.

Then a depletion workout on Friday.

> Here are my Questions:

>

> 1.) Should my first 3 workouts be the exact same as my normal routine?

> Or should I take it lighter? Like should I do all three sets of all my lifts?

Take it lighter, and try to get quite a few reps in. The goal is to deplete

muscle glycogen, not set any personal records.

> 2.) How much cardio should I do and how many days a week should I do

> it? How long should I do cardio for each day?

Try to do some aerobics on Sunday night, Wednesday, and Thursday. Or you can

try interval training if you have the energy.

> 3.) Should I expect my lifting poundages to stay the same, go up or go down.

Your poundages will most likely stay the same on Mon/Tues. If you try to

workout later in the week you will notice that your strength has left.

> 4.) Any other tips?

Wait for Lyle's book.

Brent

.....City?

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message ----- > If your goal is to lose bodyfat, and keep

lean mass- considor this diet - it has

> worked wonders for everyone who has tried it so far.

>

> Enjoy:

< Sammuel Damon

I question the wisdom of posting potentially dangerous information even if

it has been annotated by the Moderator. An undiscerning reader may choose a

dangerous path with information he has received from this List.

Harvey Maron, M.D.

Steamboat Springs, CO

[Guest guest]

First off thank you for replying! This is really helpful. I've

never 'cut' before so I really want to get it right the first time.

Thanks.

> While you can certainly lose ten pounds in one month, losing ten

pounds OF

> FAT in one month is very unlikely - certainly too rigorous to be

> muscle-sparing.

ok since my goal is to keep the muscle I have how many lbs/month

should I shoot for? 1 lb/week 4 lb/month? And how do I shoot for

that? Do I take my bodyweight x somenumber and eat that in

calories. I read take weight x 10.5cal. Is that too aggressive in

cal reduction?

> > 2.) How much cardio should I do and how many days a week should I

do

> > it? How long should I do cardio for each day?

>

> For the purpose of muscle sparing, none. For the purpose of fat

loss, a

> little: maybe 20 minutes 3 times a week.

> >

Hey I hate cardio anyways so thats great! ... I cant do any fun

cardio because my knee is still healing (pcl reconstruction).

> > 3.) Should I expect my lifting poundages to stay the same, go up

or go

> down.

>

> If you lose ten pounds in a month, down. If you shoot for a pound

of fat

> loss a week, up or steady.

> >

Let me give more info on my routine b/c it seemed like I didnt

explain it well. Im doing a 3day split (right now before my diet).

I workout Mon - pull, wed - push, fri - legs. I know clean is a

pulling exercise, but I do it with push otherwise I have too much on

pull day. Here I'll list my last three workouts.

Pull:

Deadlift 175# 15x3

Pullups bodyweight 5x4 regular; 5x2, 3x7 neutral

Shrugs (machine) 230# 10x3

Rows 100# 10x3

Curls 50# 10x2

Push:

Clean & Press 90# 5x1; 110# 5x1

Clean 130# 5x1; 135# 5x2

Bench (dumbell) 90# reps: 10,9,7

Incline 60# 10x3

Dips bodyweight reps: 10,8,6

sometimes I do external rotator stuff like l-flys on this day

Legs:

Leg press 200# 15x2; 205# 15x1

Leg press (left leg only) 100# 10x3

Hip abduction 100# 10x3

Hip adduction 75# 10x3

VMO (stair steps) 30 side to side, 30 front to back

sometimes I deadlift again on leg day.

> Excellent routine, though if you're listing sets x reps that's a

lot of

> sets, and if you're listing reps x sets fifteen is awfully high

reps for

> deadlifts.

Im was listing reps x sets. I do 15 reps of deadlift for two

reasons. First I read in brawn about 20 rep squats and since I cant

squat right now I thought I'd try 15 rep deadlifts. Secondly if I do

15x3 that makes me use a lower %age of my 1rm. Im concerned about

that since my knee still isnt 100% and doing 15x3 forces me to use a

lower weight and increase poundages slower. That way I dont get

ahead of my self and hurt my graft or my petellar tendon.

> Why are you not squatting?

I cant right now, and I might not beable to ever. I had a pcl

reconsruction. The doc just reasently OK'd me for deadlifting last

month.

I have one more Q:

OK.. so when I start my diet I should do my same routine, but on

monday, tuesday and wednsday PLUS a fullbody workout on the weekend

before my carb-up? Is that correct? What lifts should I do on the

fullbody day?

Jean-Michel F. Moreau

Portland, Oregon

[Guest guest]

Dr. Maron,

Can you elaborate? I count myself as an undiscerning reader.

Additionally, how realistic is this diet for a non-juicing athlete

and can you suggest any modifications to account for that.

Regards,

Kerr

..... City?

-------------------

Sammuel Damon wrote:

<If your goal is to lose bodyfat, and keep lean mass- considor this diet - it

has

worked wonders for everyone who has tried it so far. >

" Harvey Maron " <bigbud3@e...> wrote:

<I question the wisdom of posting potentially dangerous information

even if it has been annotated by the Moderator. An undiscerning reader may

choose a dangerous path with information he has received from this List. >

[Guest guest]

> Dr. Maron,

>

> Can you elaborate? I count myself as an undiscerning reader.

> Additionally, how realistic is this diet for a non-juicing athlete

> and can you suggest any modifications to account for that.

>

> Regards,

> Kerr

,

I have no objection to the diet as such. I object to the use of combinations

of medications[ PPA, ephedera etc. ] that can lead to potentially lethal

problems. The ever increasing chemical dependency of our society is a

dangerous trend.

Harvey Maron, M.D.

Steamboat Springs, CO

[Guest guest]

> > While you can certainly lose ten pounds in one month, losing ten pounds OF

> > FAT in one month is very unlikely - certainly too rigorous to be

muscle-sparing.

>

> ok since my goal is to keep the muscle I have how many lbs/month

> should I shoot for? 1 lb/week 4 lb/month? And how do I shoot for

> that? Do I take my bodyweight x somenumber and eat that in

> calories. I read take weight x 10.5cal. Is that too aggressive in cal

reduction?

A pound a week is a reasonable goal.

Figure out your steady-state caloric intake - how much you eat without

gaining or losing weight - and subtract 500 calories a day, or subtract 650

a day and add 500 to carb up day.

The rigorous way to do this is to keep a food log for at least a week and

track your bodyweight. The fast way is to estimate your caloric burn as 15

calories per pound of bodyweight.

> > > 2.) How much cardio should I do and how many days a week should I do

> > > it? How long should I do cardio for each day?

> > For the purpose of muscle sparing, none. For the purpose of fat loss, a

> > little: maybe 20 minutes 3 times a week.

> Hey I hate cardio anyways so thats great! ... I cant do any fun

> cardio because my knee is still healing (pcl reconstruction).

> > > 3.) Should I expect my lifting poundages to stay the same, go up or go

down.

> > If you lose ten pounds in a month, down. If you shoot for a pound of fat

loss a week, up or steady.

> Let me give more info on my routine b/c it seemed like I didnt

> explain it well. Im doing a 3day split (right now before my diet).

> I workout Mon - pull, wed - push, fri - legs. I know clean is a

> pulling exercise, but I do it with push otherwise I have too much on

> pull day. Here I'll list my last three workouts.

>

> Pull:

> Deadlift 175# 15x3

> Pullups bodyweight 5x4 regular; 5x2, 3x7 neutral

> Shrugs (machine) 230# 10x3

> Rows 100# 10x3

> Curls 50# 10x2

> Push:

> Clean & Press 90# 5x1; 110# 5x1

> Clean 130# 5x1; 135# 5x2

> Bench (dumbell) 90# reps: 10,9,7

> Incline 60# 10x3

> Dips bodyweight reps: 10,8,6

> sometimes I do external rotator stuff like l-flys on this day

> Legs:

> Leg press 200# 15x2; 205# 15x1

> Leg press (left leg only) 100# 10x3

> Hip abduction 100# 10x3

> Hip adduction 75# 10x3

> VMO (stair steps) 30 side to side, 30 front to back

> sometimes I deadlift again on leg day.

> > Excellent routine, though if you're listing sets x reps that's a lot of

> > sets, and if you're listing reps x sets fifteen is awfully high reps for

> > deadlifts.

> Im was listing reps x sets. I do 15 reps of deadlift for two

> reasons. First I read in brawn about 20 rep squats and since I cant

> squat right now I thought I'd try 15 rep deadlifts. Secondly if I do

> 15x3 that makes me use a lower %age of my 1rm. Im concerned about

> that since my knee still isnt 100% and doing 15x3 forces me to use a

> lower weight and increase poundages slower. That way I dont get

> ahead of my self and hurt my graft or my petellar tendon.

> > Why are you not squatting?

> I cant right now, and I might not beable to ever. I had a pcl

> reconsruction. The doc just recently OK'd me for deadlifting last month.

Ah. Good reason.

> I have one more Q:

> OK.. so when I start my diet I should do my same routine, but on

> monday, tuesday and wednsday PLUS a fullbody workout on the weekend

> before my carb-up? Is that correct? What lifts should I do on the

> fullbody day?

That's a lot of work for a ketogenic diet. You might want to figure out

your split determined on how you feel after the carb up - heavy stuff when

you're high on carbs (so to speak).

> Jean-Michel F. Moreau

Kurland,

Austin and Chicago

[Guest guest]

Jean-Michel F Moreau <jean_f_moreau@...> wrote:

> I got my BF% tested and I'm 170lb at 16.9%bf. Next month I want to

> start dieting to lose the extra fat I've gained. I want to lose

> 10lbs in one month and I want to try the CKD diet.

You want to lose 10 lbs in one month? You might do it, but don't

expect it to be fat. In fact, it might be pretty easy to lose 10 lbs

of water weight in a week or two on a low-carb diet (if you don't

carb up fully).

Anyway, if you're starting at 170 lbs at 17% body-fat, you've got 29

lbs of fat and 141 lbs of lean mass. Dropping 10 lbs of fat would

put you at 11% body-fat. That certainly sounds doable (in a slightly

longer term).

Matt Madsen

Irvine, CA

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Jean-Michel F Moreau <jean_f_moreau@...> wrote:

> I got my BF% tested and I'm 170lb at 16.9%bf. Next month I want to

> start dieting to lose the extra fat I've gained. I want to lose

> 10lbs in one month and I want to try the CKD diet.

You want to lose 10 lbs in one month? You might do it, but don't

expect it to be fat. In fact, it might be pretty easy to lose 10 lbs

of water weight in a week or two on a low-carb diet (if you don't

carb up fully).

Anyway, if you're starting at 170 lbs at 17% body-fat, you've got 29

lbs of fat and 141 lbs of lean mass. Dropping 10 lbs of fat would

put you at 11% body-fat. That certainly sounds doable (in a slightly

longer term).

Matt Madsen

Irvine, CA

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