Panic attack response

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Many of you have responded to me and I appreciate you input. I have receive many ideas to help her. I need to give what i have done over the long period of treatment with regards to the physical aspect to the TBI, which after receiving some cranial by one of the list doctors her migraines after a year and half were basically removed. Subocciptal headaches still persist even with many that have looked at further treating her with upper cervical and more. The mental issue I have given her standard process neuroplex, adrenal builder and a full work up with chemistry labs on her glands. Found different lows in chemistry to balance all this out. I even had it done one more time to be sure. However a learned response of panic attacks of unknown origin impetuates the cycle. I

have use essential oils and even homeopathic Bach Flower. I am going back to Bach Flower again, as I have talked to the company in England to understand we did not correctly do them the way Dr. Bach designed them. I have done many things and still she has now ended up in the hospital under a Psychiatric work up. She finds it is helping and will have been there for month and half months by the time she is released to an outside therapist. I just thought that maybe someone had the miracle answer. by the way for the doc that send me the idea of the hypnotist, I also ready had her with someone for three sessions and she no longer wanted to go nor did she listen to the tapes more then a week. I felt it would have helped, but then everything else she would do, but this is something she was told was not good due to someone taking over and I could not get this

out of her head. In fear of this she would not go anymore. The hypnotist had been in practice 40 years and was a good friend of mine, maybe that was the problem. I thank everyone for your input and if you think of any thing else. I personally thought maybe acupuncture to induce endorphins Or even home treatments for her on these points to produce endorphins when she is going there. HOPE and more HOPE I find is lost with people in this state of mind. Any ideas on this topic.

Walt

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From: Walter Wiese <docwiese7@...>Subject: Panic attack response Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 7:48 PM

Many of you have responded to me and I appreciate you input. I have receive many ideas to help her. I need to give what i have done over the long period of treatment with regards to the physical aspect to the TBI, which after receiving some cranial by one of the list doctors her migraines after a year and half were basically removed. Subocciptal headaches still persist even with many that have looked at further treating her with upper cervical and more. The mental issue I have given her standard process neuroplex, adrenal builder and a full work up with chemistry labs on her glands. Found different lows in chemistry to balance all this out. I even had it done one more time to be sure. However a learned response of panic attacks of unknown origin impetuates the cycle. I have use essential oils and even homeopathic Bach Flower. I am going back to Bach

Flower again, as I have talked to the company in England to understand we did not correctly do them the way Dr. Bach designed them. I have done many things and still she has now ended up in the hospital under a Psychiatric work up. She finds it is helping and will have been there for month and half months by the time she is released to an outside therapist. I just thought that maybe someone had the miracle answer. by the way for the doc that send me the idea of the hypnotist, I also ready had her with someone for three sessions and she no longer wanted to go nor did she listen to the tapes more then a week. I felt it would have helped, but then everything else she would do, but this is something she was told was not good due to someone taking over and I could not get this out of her head. In fear of this she would not go anymore. The hypnotist had been

in practice 40 years and was a good friend of mine, maybe that was the problem. I thank everyone for your input and if you think of any thing else. I personally thought maybe acupuncture to induce endorphins Or even home treatments for her on these points to produce endorphins when she is going there. HOPE and more HOPE I find is lost with people in this state of mind. Any ideas on this topic.

Walt

Eagle Point.

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Walt,

I sat on your posts for a while before responding, but here goes. And please understand that I appreciate your passion and hard work in trying to come to the aid of this terribly injured and distressed woman. We all have had our 'heroic' moments in practice, many of which have been successful. So bravo for trying, but...

I may have mentioned that my husband is Associate Chief of Psychology at OR State Hospital with many many years of extraordinary training and experience as a PhD psychologist. When a post about a case such as yours hits the listserve, I often bring it to his attention and ask for his comments/ideas. His insights have served me well over the years.

However, I did not show your post, lest he go off about how well-meaning, but completely untrained (in regards to psychological/psychiatric issue) practitioners outside of the mental health system impose their "No Drug No Way" bias on such a serious case. From your detailed description of this woman's condition, it seemed quite clear to me that she needed serious psychological/psychiatric intervention and I am relieved to see that she is finally getting it. Having said that, that care may be coming in late in the game after her descent into hell. The fact that she was desperate enough to check herself into a hospital speaks to how dangerously severe her condition had become. The fact that they have kept her in the hospital for over a month is not a measure of "once they get their hands on you, you're screwed'. It is much more likely a measure of the terrible suffering and distress with which she presented. And as for her risk of 'getting hooked' on drugs and the associated potential of suicide, I should think that you would understand that she was, in fact, at risk for suicide if she continued to live with the horrors of ongoing panic attacks with NO HOPE that she would ever be okay. After all, nothing had helped...

I will cop to having been one of those NO DRUGS NO WAY practitioners who obstructed one of my own family members from going on anti-depressants for severe depression, thinking that I had so many answers, many of them the same ones that you list in your exhaustive attempts at 'natural intervention'. My family member suffered needlessly because of my dogmatic 'belief system' which steered her away from an allopathic approach that, once it put into place, completely transformed her life. Sometimes we hate to admit it, but there are cases when the PhD's and MD's have tools that are necessary and effective. I learned my lesson the hard way by running around like Chicken Little looking for the natural Magic Bullet that was going to make ME the one who solved her mental/psychological condition, saving her from the allopaths.

For mild to even moderate cases of depression/SAD, etc, I've been successful using dietary guidance and good nutritional supplements as 'natural' interventions. I'm not afraid to wade into that territory and many of my patients have been grateful for my help. That said, there are cases that are out of our scope of expertise, and certainly outside of our training, and which require the skilled intervention of an expert in clinical psychology or psychiatry.

I will share with you two of "Dr Ann's Rules of the Universe":

1) 'Just because I CAN, doesn't mean I SHOULD.'

2) 'When I keep running my head into a brick wall, and nothing seems to be working, it is time to stop, regroup and ask for the Grace and also question whether or not my intentions or the path I am choosing is straight'.

I pray that this woman will find the help/solution she so desperately needs. It may take some trial and error and you should not expect that 'THEY' will get it right the first, second or third time. Mental illness is a tricky thing to affect, particularly once it has a deep foothold in the patient.

In the meantime, you can continue to work with her, You have much to offer. And don't get me wrong. I applaud your tenacity and your efforts to help. But please, you will have to 'get with the program' and support the treatment she is getting from mental health professionals. Everyone will have an important part to play in her recovery. And if and when she emerges from this horrible down-spin, you will all have played an important part in saving her life.

Ann DC

From: "Walter Wiese" <docwiese7@...> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:25:43 AMSubject: Fw: Panic attack response

From: Walter Wiese <docwiese7@...>Subject: Panic attack response Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 7:48 PM

Many of you have responded to me and I appreciate you input. I have receive many ideas to help her. I need to give what i have done over the long period of treatment with regards to the physical aspect to the TBI, which after receiving some cranial by one of the list doctors her migraines after a year and half were basically removed. Subocciptal headaches still persist even with many that have looked at further treating her with upper cervical and more. The mental issue I have given her standard process neuroplex, adrenal builder and a full work up with chemistry labs on her glands. Found different lows in chemistry to balance all this out. I even had it done one more time to be sure. However a learned response of panic attacks of unknown origin impetuates the cycle. I have use essential oils and even homeopathic Bach Flower. I am going back to Bach Flower again, as I have talked to the company in England to understand we did not correctly do them the way Dr. Bach designed them. I have done many things and still she has now ended up in the hospital under a Psychiatric work up. She finds it is helping and will have been there for month and half months by the time she is released to an outside therapist. I just thought that maybe someone had the miracle answer. by the way for the doc that send me the idea of the hypnotist, I also ready had her with someone for three sessions and she no longer wanted to go nor did she listen to the tapes more then a week. I felt it would have helped, but then everything else she would do, but this is something she was told was not good due to someone taking over and I could not get this out of her head. In fear of this she would not go anymore. The hypnotist had been in practice 40 years and was a good friend of mine, maybe that was the problem. I thank everyone for your input and if you think of any thing else. I personally thought maybe acupuncture to induce endorphins Or even home treatments for her on these points to produce endorphins when she is going there. HOPE and more HOPE I find is lost with people in this state of mind. Any ideas on this topic.

Walt

Eagle Point.