Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Source of info concerning whole grainshttp://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grainsAlan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To: ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Holy smokes, Dr Medlin, did you just say that outload? Just kidding, I'm glad to see you're coming around to our way of thinking a bit. I'd like to add one thing to the table about grains, and perhaps I've said this before: I test nearly everyone's gut. I find things you would not believe in there, even in people who have had nothing interesting happen in their entire lives (no exotic travel, no well water, no camping). Here's the deal with most bugs (bacterium, fungus, parasites)- they LOVE carbohydrates. They live off of anything that has sugar as a substrate, that means grains. Old docs used to know the rule, when someone had chronic joint pain and/or arthitis, they were put on a trial of a "No Starch" diet. They didn't know why this helped, they just knew that it did.I treat chronic pain, that's the crux of my practice. Pain that conservative care has not been able to help. I do not lie when I tell you that at least 8/10 people feel significantly better when they cut grains. Chronic OA pain calms to a dull, dull roar. Fired up RA calms right now. (old ND and DC tx for RA flares is a fast). Bugs eat the grains, bugs have a party in the gut, and for several very legit and scientifically proven reasons, pain ensues in the host.I've yet to meet a pain patient that I could not help by killing off the unwanted critters in their guts- and the best and most effective way to start that process is to starve the bugs.I honestly think that is over 50% of why a gluten free diet is helpful. It's not just the gluten, it's the grains in general (even gluten free stuff can really cause a lot of problems for some)(btw, I retest these people. They rarely clear the bugs w/out starving them, no matter how strong the drug/herbal arsenal:) Tyna , ND, DCNatural Medicine Clinic1600 SW Cedar Hills BlvdPortland, OR 97225503.644.4446www.corewellnesspdx.comwww.natural-healthmedicine.comwww.renegadewellness.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Alan and Joe,The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched:http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852Best,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Source of info concerning whole grainshttp://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grainsAlan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To: ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Alan,Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages), you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with the answer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias. It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd (i.e. large or small epidemiological study), even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killing us, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost.As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy: Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years) Overall Male Female *** World average 67.2 65.0 69.5 1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1 2 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.1 3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3 4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2 5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6 6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2 7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0 8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8 9 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.8 10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japan and China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when we are talking about "are grains healthy". We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list. Happy Holidays to you all!Jay From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> pdxchiroguy@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Thanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asians who have higher disease rates, who consume less of a macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumption have higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search.The truth search continues.Alan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To: alansmithdc@...; From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan and Joe,The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched:http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852Best,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Source of info concerning whole grainshttp://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grainsAlan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To: ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Dear docs;I intend the following to be more an observation and not a criticism of any specific diet advice, because truthfully I’m confused…. I just watched Forks over Knives and the movie makes a pretty convincing argument to avoid meat products.Although I’m Type “O†blood and I understand I should be eating a more meat based diet, and I have read some very persuasive arguments on this list serve, that meat is not the enemy. As far as I can tell, apparently carbs are evil. I have heard some Atkins’s faithful deride fresh fruits because they are too high in sugar.I’m pretty sure that I should start smoking cigarettes before I consume any dairy.I need to avoid soy because it is too GMO and rather high in estrogen mimics.I need to avoid the nightshade family; potato, tomato, eggplant, and peppers because they are pro-inflammatory.My acupuncturist wants me to avoid foods that “turn up the heatâ€.Scale fish are out because of mercury content. Shell fish are out due to Old Testament rules and the fact they filter the crap off the seafloor. I can’t drink tap water because the Communists are adding fluoride to the water. I also need to buy locally to reduce transportation and thereby get fresher food and reduce my carbon foot print. And of course only eat foods that are in season. (Although I’m not sure if they should be “in season†where I live, Portland; or in season where I was born, Philadelphia; or in season where I grew up, Buffalo, NY; or in season where myancestry traces back to, Ireland). And eggs… well… they were great for me in the 70s, the death of me in the 80s, not so bad in the 90s, and now they are great again. Truthfully, I’m afraid to buy eggs because I don’t know if they will be good or bad for me by the timeI can cook them! As far as I can tell this leaves me with a diet of cabbage, broccoli, asparagus, and Brussels sprouts.Of course I have to grow it all in my own backyard with organic, grass fed, free range steer manure as a fertilizer and lady bugs as a pesticide. And I can’t cook anything in the microwave or in non-stick pans. Wait don’t cook anything… all food should be raw.I can use olive oil, but can’t heat it or the cis fats turn trans. I have to keep it dark and cool to slow it from turning rancid. Coconut oil is better but A) it tastes like coconut and has to be shipped from the tropics, screwingup my carbon footprint. I have to be careful not to store anything in the wrong plastics. Now I’m so stressed over eating, that my cortisol levels are thru the roof so I’m going to burn out my adrenals and I’ll gain weight no matter what I eat. Of course thanks to Drs. Feinberg and Sears I now know that these stressful thoughts may be more dangerous than whatever food I choose, because the stressful thoughts are vibrations in my body that will reinforce negative patterns leadingto disease. Of course what we call “food†is nothing more than a physical representation that our conscience minds manifest to represent particular energy waves, so maybe it does matter what I eat. Or is it only important just to believe that what I’m eatingis good? Now I’m pretty sure that as you read this you came across one point and thought, “AHA! That is the key point and all these others are crap. And I have 20 studies to prove why mine is right and all the others are less significant.†And rightnow you’re about to pen a beautifully thought out, thoroughly researched and passionate e-mail. But my point is not to start an intellectual fight over your point vs. someone else’s. My point is that I’m confused and imagine what it must be like for ourpatients. I’ve decided to go with the “all beer and chocolate chip cookies dietâ€. Thank you for reading this rant.Have a good evening… I’m stopping at Mc’s on the drive home! Glenn Sykes, DC Gresham Town Fair Chiropractic ClinicPhone: (503) 667-6744Fax: (503) 661-7896WWW.GRESHAMCHIROPRACTOR.NET From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of LindekugelSent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:05 PMDC ListserveSubject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan,Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages),you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with theanswer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias. It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd (i.e. large or small epidemiological study),even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killingus, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost. As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy:Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years)Overall Male Female*** World average 67.2 65.0 69.51 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.12 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.13 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.34 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.25 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.66 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.27 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.08 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.89 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.810 France 80.7 77.1 84.1 Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japanand China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when weare talking about " are grains healthy " . We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list. Happy Holidays to you all!Jay From: Alan <alansmithdc@...>pdxchiroguy@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AMSubject: RE: Paleo-nutThanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asianswho have higher disease rates, who consume less of a macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumptionhave higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search.The truth search continues.Alan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To:alansmithdc@...; From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan and Joe,The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched:http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852Best,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PMSubject: RE: Paleo-nut Source of info concerning whole grainshttp://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grainsAlan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physicallyhave been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old.A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doingany cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat lessprocessed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us haveevolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From:BRIAN SEITZSent: Friday, December02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson:http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Rant away Glen. I got a kick out of that. Thanks. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center From: Dr. Glenn Sykes <drsykes@...> " ( )" < > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:33 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Dear docs; I intend the following to be more an observation and not a criticism of any specific diet advice, because truthfully I’m confused…. I just watched Forks over Knives and the movie makes a pretty convincing argument to avoid meat products. Although I’m Type “O†blood and I understand I should be eating a more meat based diet, and I have read some very persuasive arguments on this list serve, that meat is not the enemy. As far as I can tell, apparently carbs are evil. I have heard some Atkins’s faithful deride fresh fruits because they are too high in sugar. I’m pretty sure that I should start smoking cigarettes before I consume any dairy. I need to avoid soy because it is too GMO and rather high in estrogen mimics. I need to avoid the nightshade family; potato, tomato, eggplant, and peppers because they are pro-inflammatory. My acupuncturist wants me to avoid foods that “turn up the heatâ€. Scale fish are out because of mercury content. Shell fish are out due to Old Testament rules and the fact they filter the crap off the seafloor. I can’t drink tap water because the Communists are adding fluoride to the water. I also need to buy locally to reduce transportation and thereby get fresher food and reduce my carbon foot print. And of course only eat foods that are in season. (Although I’m not sure if they should be “in season†where I live, Portland; or in season where I was born, Philadelphia; or in season where I grew up, Buffalo, NY; or in season where my ancestry traces back to, Ireland). And eggs… well… they were great for me in the 70s, the death of me in the 80s, not so bad in the 90s, and now they are great again. Truthfully, I’m afraid to buy eggs because I don’t know if they will be good or bad for me by the time I can cook them! As far as I can tell this leaves me with a diet of cabbage, broccoli, asparagus, and Brussels sprouts. Of course I have to grow it all in my own backyard with organic, grass fed, free range steer manure as a fertilizer and lady bugs as a pesticide. And I can’t cook anything in the microwave or in non-stick pans. Wait don’t cook anything… all food should be raw. I can use olive oil, but can’t heat it or the cis fats turn trans. I have to keep it dark and cool to slow it from turning rancid. Coconut oil is better but A) it tastes like coconut and has to be shipped from the tropics, screwing up my carbon footprint. I have to be careful not to store anything in the wrong plastics. Now I’m so stressed over eating, that my cortisol levels are thru the roof so I’m going to burn out my adrenals and I’ll gain weight no matter what I eat. Of course thanks to Drs. Feinberg and Sears I now know that these stressful thoughts may be more dangerous than whatever food I choose, because the stressful thoughts are vibrations in my body that will reinforce negative patterns leading to disease. Of course what we call “food†is nothing more than a physical representation that our conscience minds manifest to represent particular energy waves, so maybe it does matter what I eat. Or is it only important just to believe that what I’m eating is good? Now I’m pretty sure that as you read this you came across one point and thought, “AHA! That is the key point and all these others are crap. And I have 20 studies to prove why mine is right and all the others are less significant.†And right now you’re about to pen a beautifully thought out, thoroughly researched and passionate e-mail. But my point is not to start an intellectual fight over your point vs. someone else’s. My point is that I’m confused and imagine what it must be like for our patients. I’ve decided to go with the “all beer and chocolate chip cookies dietâ€. Thank you for reading this rant. Have a good evening… I’m stopping at Mc’s on the drive home! Glenn Sykes, DC Gresham Town Fair Chiropractic Clinic Phone: (503) 667-6744 Fax: (503) 661-7896 WWW.GRESHAMCHIROPRACTOR.NET From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lindekugel Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:05 PM DC Listserve Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan, Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages), you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with the answer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias. It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd (i.e. large or small epidemiological study), even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killing us, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost. As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy: Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years) Overall Male Female *** World average 67.2 65.0 69.5 1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1 2 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.1 3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3 4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2 5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6 6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2 7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0 8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8 9 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.8 10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1 Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japan and China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when we are talking about "are grains healthy". We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list. Happy Holidays to you all! Jay From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> pdxchiroguy@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Thanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asians who have higher disease rates, who consume less of a macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumption have higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search. The truth search continues. Alan , D.C 743 Lawrence St Eugene, OR 97401-2501 541.343.1942 alansmithdc@... To: alansmithdc@...; From: pdxchiroguy@... Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan and Joe, The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched: http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852 Best, Jay Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic Center 5425 NE 33rd Ave. Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Source of info concerning whole grains http://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grains Alan , D.C 743 Lawrence St Eugene, OR 97401-2501 541.343.1942 alansmithdc@... To: ; dcdocbrian@... From: spinetree@... Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM To: Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Loved it, Glen! Here are some more sobering statistics: A recent joint study conducted by the Department of Health and the Department of Motor Vehicles indicates that 23% of traffic accidents are alcohol related. This means that the remaining 77% are caused by individuals who drink bottled water, starbucks, soda, juice, energy drinks, and other non-alcoholic beverages. Therefore, beware of those who don't drink alcohol. They cause three times as many accidents. :-) Lyndon McGill, D.C. Salem, Oregon www.SalemSpineClinic.com www.LimitlessRelief.com On 12/19/2011 6:33 PM, Dr. Glenn Sykes wrote:  Dear docs; I intend the following to be more an observation and not a criticism of any specific diet advice, because truthfully I’m confused….  I just watched Forks over Knives and the movie makes a pretty convincing argument to avoid meat products. Although I’m Type “O†blood and I understand I should be eating a more meat based diet, and I have read some very persuasive arguments on this list serve, that meat is not the enemy.  As far as I can tell, apparently carbs are evil.  I have heard some Atkins’s faithful deride fresh fruits because they are too high in sugar. I’m pretty sure that I should start smoking cigarettes before I consume any dairy. I need to avoid soy because it is too GMO and rather high in estrogen mimics. I need to avoid the nightshade family; potato, tomato, eggplant, and peppers because they are pro-inflammatory. My acupuncturist wants me to avoid foods that “turn up the heatâ€. Scale fish are out because of mercury content. Shell fish are out due to Old Testament rules and the fact they filter the crap off the seafloor.  I can’t drink tap water because the Communists are adding fluoride to the water.  I also need to buy locally to reduce transportation and thereby get fresher food and reduce my carbon foot print.  And of course only eat foods that are in season. (Although I’m not sure if they should be “in season†where I live, Portland; or in season where I was born, Philadelphia; or in season where I grew up, Buffalo, NY; or in season where my ancestry traces back to, Ireland).   And eggs… well… they were great for me in the 70s, the death of me in the 80s, not so bad in the 90s, and now they are great again. Truthfully, I’m afraid to buy eggs because I don’t know if they will be good or bad for me by the time I can cook them!  As far as I can tell this leaves me with a diet of cabbage, broccoli, asparagus, and Brussels sprouts. Of course I have to grow it all in my own backyard with organic, grass fed, free range steer manure as a fertilizer and lady bugs as a pesticide.  And I can’t cook anything in the microwave or in non-stick pans. Wait don’t cook anything… all food should be raw. I can use olive oil, but can’t heat it or the cis fats turn trans. I have to keep it dark and cool to slow it from turning rancid. Coconut oil is better but A) it tastes like coconut and has to be shipped from the tropics, screwing up my carbon footprint.  I have to be careful not to store anything in the wrong plastics.  Now I’m so stressed over eating, that my cortisol levels are thru the roof so I’m going to burn out my adrenals and I’ll gain weight no matter what I eat.  Of course thanks to Drs. Feinberg and Sears I now know that these stressful thoughts may be more dangerous than whatever food I choose, because the stressful thoughts are vibrations in my body that will reinforce negative patterns leading to disease. Of course what we call “food†is nothing more than a physical representation that our conscience minds manifest to represent particular energy waves, so maybe it does matter what I eat.  Or is it only important just to believe that what I’m eating is good?  Now I’m pretty sure that as you read this you came across one point and thought, “AHA! That is the key point and all these others are crap. And I have 20 studies to prove why mine is right and all the others are less significant.†And right now you’re about to pen a beautifully thought out, thoroughly researched and passionate e-mail. But my point is not to start an intellectual fight over your point vs. someone else’s. My point is that I’m confused and imagine what it must be like for our patients.  I’ve decided to go with the “all beer and chocolate chip cookies dietâ€.  Thank you for reading this rant. Have a good evening… I’m stopping at Mc’s on the drive home!  Glenn Sykes, DC  Gresham Town Fair Chiropractic Clinic Phone: (503) 667-6744 Fax: (503) 661-7896 WWW.GRESHAMCHIROPRACTOR.NET     From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lindekugel Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:05 PM DC Listserve Subject: Re: Paleo-nut   Alan, Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages), you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with the answer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias.  It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd (i.e. large or small epidemiological study), even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killing us, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost.  As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy: Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years) Overall Male Female *** World average 67.2 65.0 69.5 1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1 2 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.1 3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3 4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2 5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6 6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2 7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0 8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8 9 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.8 10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1  Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japan and China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when we are talking about "are grains healthy". We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list.  Happy Holidays to you all! Jay     From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> pdxchiroguy@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Thanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asians who have higher disease rates, who consume less of a macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumption have higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search. The truth search continues. Alan , D.C 743 Lawrence St Eugene, OR 97401-2501 541.343.1942 alansmithdc@... To: alansmithdc@...; From: pdxchiroguy@... Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Paleo-nut   Alan and Joe, The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched: http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852 Best, Jay  Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic Center 5425 NE 33rd Ave. Portland Or. 97211   From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut  Source of info concerning whole grains http://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grains Alan , D.C 743 Lawrence St Eugene, OR 97401-2501 541.343.1942 alansmithdc@... To: ; dcdocbrian@... From: spinetree@... Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [From OregonDCs] Paleo-nut   Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!!   I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though.  My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all.  If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out.  After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really?  ph Medlin D.C.  From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM To: Subject: Paleo-nut    At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 I rate that rant right on!Thanks, Glenn.Rod Tillamook Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Rodney G. , DC Tillamook Natural Health Center 309 Laurel Ave. Tillamook, OR 97141 503-842-6532 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him "You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life." I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat!Anyone know of a nice chianti?Rod Tillamook, Oregon Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Rodney G. , DC Tillamook Natural Health Center 309 Laurel Ave. Tillamook, OR 97141 503-842-6532 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 All joking aside, I see this post as absolutely true. It points to moderation and balance which is how we should largely be educating our patients. ph Medlin D.C. From: Rod DC Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:23 AM Lyndon McGill ; oregon dc's Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him "You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life." I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat! Anyone know of a nice chianti? Rod Tillamook, Oregon Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Rodney G. , DC Tillamook Natural Health Center 309 Laurel Ave. Tillamook, OR 97141 503-842-6532 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Good clinical nutritional article by Doug Andersen in the latest issue of Dynamic Chiropractic (page 10). Lyndon McGill, D.C. Salem, Oregon www.SalemSpineClinic.com www.LimitlessRelief.com > All joking aside, I see this post as absolutely true. It > points to moderation and balance which is how we should > largely be educating our patients. > > > ph Medlin D.C. > > From: Rod DC > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:23 AM > Lyndon McGill ; oregon dc's > Subject: Re: Paleo-nut > > > > Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of > diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us > that everything we have known as truth for so long is now > wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD > - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - > taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in > the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and > learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest > things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I > caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos > in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me > the one lecture I really remember from him " You can do > everything completely right and maybe live an extra year > or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life. " > > > > I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an > omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar > , alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of > mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one > to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's > population explosion and finally silence those authorities > that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! > You are what you eat! > > > Anyone know of a nice chianti? > > > Rod > Tillamook, Oregon > > > Paleo-nut > > > > > > At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), > consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: > http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do\ -about-it/ > > Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is > very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to > understand. > > Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St > Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, > version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) > __________ > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, > version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) > __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, > version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) > __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > Rodney G. , DC > Tillamook Natural Health Center > 309 Laurel Ave. > Tillamook, OR 97141 > 503-842-6532 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I have to feign some umbrage over Jay's statements about epidemiology, which are almost entirely incorrect over generalizations. All of the studies that Jay refers to, including RCTs, are epidemiologic studies. I believe he is referring to ecologic or correlational studies when he calls them the lowest quality study, which is also not correct, depending on what you are trying to study. For example, an ecologic study (one that doesn't look at individuals) that described the average age at death of smokers versus nonsmokers could yield valuable and reasonable inferences with regard to the effect the smoking has on life expectancy. A " multivariate " statistical analysis would be intended to take into account and adjust for other predictors of death that may differ between the groups. Causal analyses can rely on such studies, but typically only in conjunction with other studies, including the kinds that Jay was referring to. Freemanps Glenn could easily sub for Dave Barry On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:30 AM, BERNICE FREEMAN <hbf4747@...> wrote: = Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him " You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life. " I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat! Anyone know of a nice chianti? Rod Tillamook, Oregon Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Rodney G. , DC Tillamook Natural Health Center 309 Laurel Ave. Tillamook, OR 97141 503-842-6532 -- D Freeman PhD MPH DCForensic EpidemiologistAffiliate Professor of EpidemiologyDepartment of Public Health and Preventive MedicineOregon Health and Science University School of Medicine Affiliate Professor of PsychiatryDepartment of PsychiatryOregon Health and Science University School of MedicineAdjunct Associate Professor of Forensic Medicine and EpidemiologyInstitute of Forensic Medicine, Faculty of Health Sciences Aarhus University Aarhus, DenmarkMailing address: 1234 SW 18th Ave, Suite 102Portland, OR 97205T 971-255-1008, F 971-255-1046C 503-871-0715forensictrauma@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Yes, I am on board with the evils of gluten/ grains..... but as every Christmas goody comes across the front desk for holiday cheer, I don't know if it is evil to give it to someone else so that we don't eat it. Friendly poisoning? Teicheira From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I guess I'd come down on the "Don't worry, be happy" side of this confusion. The confusion may be more problematic than the pleasure. but you get to decide.Consider that everything begins with your consciousness. Everything that happens in your life, and everything that happens in your body, begins with something happening in your consciousness. Your consciousness is who you are, your experience of Being.You decide what ideas to accept and which to reject. You decide what to think, and you decide what to feel. When these decisions leave you with residual stress, you experience the stress as if in your physical body. We know that stress creates symptoms. The interesting question is, "Which stress creates which symptoms?" As always, the better you know yourself, the better you feel, the happier you are, the longer you live (maybe). Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Dec 19, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Dr. Glenn Sykes wrote: Dear docs;I intend the following to be more an observation and not a criticism of any specific diet advice, because truthfully I’m confused…. I just watched Forks over Knives and the movie makes a pretty convincing argument to avoid meat products.Although I’m Type “O” blood and I understand I should be eating a more meat based diet, and I have read some very persuasive arguments on this list serve, that meat is not the enemy. As far as I can tell, apparently carbs are evil. I have heard some Atkins’s faithful deride fresh fruits because they are too high in sugar.I’m pretty sure that I should start smoking cigarettes before I consume any dairy.I need to avoid soy because it is too GMO and rather high in estrogen mimics.I need to avoid the nightshade family; potato, tomato, eggplant, and peppers because they are pro-inflammatory.My acupuncturist wants me to avoid foods that “turn up the heat”.Scale fish are out because of mercury content. Shell fish are out due to Old Testament rules and the fact they filter the crap off the seafloor. I can’t drink tap water because the Communists are adding fluoride to the water. I also need to buy locally to reduce transportation and thereby get fresher food and reduce my carbon foot print. And of course only eat foods that are in season. (Although I’m not sure if they should be “in season” where I live, Portland; or in season where I was born, Philadelphia; or in season where I grew up, Buffalo, NY; or in season where my ancestry traces back to, Ireland). And eggs… well… they were great for me in the 70s, the death of me in the 80s, not so bad in the 90s, and now they are great again. Truthfully, I’m afraid to buy eggs because I don’t know if they will be good or bad for me by the time I can cook them! As far as I can tell this leaves me with a diet of cabbage, broccoli, asparagus, and Brussels sprouts. Of course I have to grow it all in my own backyard with organic, grass fed, free range steer manure as a fertilizer and lady bugs as a pesticide. And I can’t cook anything in the microwave or in non-stick pans. Wait don’t cook anything… all food should be raw.I can use olive oil, but can’t heat it or the cis fats turn trans. I have to keep it dark and cool to slow it from turning rancid. Coconut oil is better but A) it tastes like coconut and has to be shipped from the tropics, screwing up my carbon footprint. I have to be careful not to store anything in the wrong plastics. Now I’m so stressed over eating, that my cortisol levels are thru the roof so I’m going to burn out my adrenals and I’ll gain weight no matter what I eat. Of course thanks to Drs. Feinberg and Sears I now know that these stressful thoughts may be more dangerous than whatever food I choose, because the stressful thoughts are vibrations in my body that will reinforce negative patterns leading to disease. Of course what we call “food” is nothing more than a physical representation that our conscience minds manifest to represent particular energy waves, so maybe it does matter what I eat. Or is it only important just to believe that what I’m eating is good? Now I’m pretty sure that as you read this you came across one point and thought, “AHA! That is the key point and all these others are crap. And I have 20 studies to prove why mine is right and all the others are less significant.” And right now you’re about to pen a beautifully thought out, thoroughly researched and passionate e-mail. But my point is not to start an intellectual fight over your point vs. someone else’s. My point is that I’m confused and imagine what it must be like for our patients. I’ve decided to go with the “all beer and chocolate chip cookies diet”. Thank you for reading this rant.Have a good evening… I’m stopping at Mc’s on the drive home! Glenn Sykes, DC Gresham Town Fair Chiropractic ClinicPhone: (503) 667-6744Fax: (503) 661-7896WWW.GRESHAMCHIROPRACTOR.NET From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lindekugel Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:05 PM DC Listserve Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan, Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages), you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with the answer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias. It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd (i.e. large or small epidemiological study), even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killing us, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost. As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy: Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years) Overall Male Female *** World average 67.2 65.0 69.5 1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1 2 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.1 3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3 4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2 5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6 6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2 7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0 8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8 9 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.8 10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1 Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japan and China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when we are talking about "are grains healthy". We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list. Happy Holidays to you all! Jay From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> pdxchiroguy@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Thanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asians who have higher disease rates, who consume less of a macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumption have higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search. The truth search continues. Alan , D.C 743 Lawrence St Eugene, OR 97401-2501 541.343.1942 alansmithdc@... alansmithdc@...; From: pdxchiroguy@... Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan and Joe, The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched: http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852 Best, Jay Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic Center 5425 NE 33rd Ave. Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Source of info concerning whole grains http://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grains Alan , D.C 743 Lawrence St Eugene, OR 97401-2501 541.343.1942 alansmithdc@... ; dcdocbrian@... From: spinetree@... Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Best (comic) advice I've ever heard on food was this from Mark Twain: "Eat what you want and let the food fight about it inside you!" Christian Mathisen, D.C., CCWFN 3654 S Pacific Hwy Medford, OR 97501 cmathdc@... Paleo-nut> > > > > > At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again),> consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson:>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/> > Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is> very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to> understand. > > Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St> Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724> > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,> version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218)> __________> > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > > http://www.eset.com> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,> version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218)> __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,> version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218)> __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com> > > Rodney G. , DC> Tillamook Natural Health Center> 309 Laurel Ave.> Tillamook, OR 97141> 503-842-6532 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 OK, OK Micheal. I may have overstated and wrongly stated my point. And I may have needed to look up umbrage to see if you were arguing for or against my points. But now you will NOT be receiving one of my coveted fruit cakes this year in the mail ; )But seriously - thanks for your correction. Your clarification is always appreciated.Happy HolidaysJay From: Dr. Freeman <forensictrauma@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Paleo-nut I have to feign some umbrage over Jay's statements about epidemiology, which are almost entirely incorrect over generalizations. All of the studies that Jay refers to, including RCTs, are epidemiologic studies. I believe he is referring to ecologic or correlational studies when he calls them the lowest quality study, which is also not correct, depending on what you are trying to study. For example, an ecologic study (one that doesn't look at individuals) that described the average age at death of smokers versus nonsmokers could yield valuable and reasonable inferences with regard to the effect the smoking has on life expectancy. A "multivariate" statistical analysis would be intended to take into account and adjust for other predictors of death that may differ between the groups. Causal analyses can rely on such studies, but typically only in conjunction with other studies, including the kinds that Jay was referring to. Freemanps Glenn could easily sub for Dave Barry On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:30 AM, BERNICE FREEMAN <hbf4747@...> wrote: = Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him "You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life." I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat! Anyone know of a nice chianti? Rod Tillamook, Oregon Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Rodney G. , DC Tillamook Natural Health Center 309 Laurel Ave. Tillamook, OR 97141 503-842-6532 -- D Freeman PhD MPH DCForensic EpidemiologistAffiliate Professor of EpidemiologyDepartment of Public Health and Preventive MedicineOregon Health and Science University School of Medicine Affiliate Professor of PsychiatryDepartment of PsychiatryOregon Health and Science University School of MedicineAdjunct Associate Professor of Forensic Medicine and EpidemiologyInstitute of Forensic Medicine, Faculty of Health Sciences Aarhus University Aarhus, DenmarkMailing address: 1234 SW 18th Ave, Suite 102Portland, OR 97205T 971-255-1008, F 971-255-1046C 503-871-0715forensictrauma@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 All, Here is the way I should have stated my point (for those that care). When the associations found in ecological studies are relatively small, like we find in the China study, they should be taken with a grain of salt until they are confirmed by randomized clinical trials. Micheal is right to point out that meaningfull inferences can be drawn from these types of studies with smoking and lung cancer, because the incidence of cancer in heavy smokers climbs to 2000 – 3000 percent. We can have much more confidence in these numbers. Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic Center From: Dr. Freeman <forensictrauma@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Paleo-nut I have to feign some umbrage over Jay's statements about epidemiology, which are almost entirely incorrect over generalizations. All of the studies that Jay refers to, including RCTs, are epidemiologic studies. I believe he is referring to ecologic or correlational studies when he calls them the lowest quality study, which is also not correct, depending on what you are trying to study. For example, an ecologic study (one that doesn't look at individuals) that described the average age at death of smokers versus nonsmokers could yield valuable and reasonable inferences with regard to the effect the smoking has on life expectancy. A "multivariate" statistical analysis would be intended to take into account and adjust for other predictors of death that may differ between the groups. Causal analyses can rely on such studies, but typically only in conjunction with other studies, including the kinds that Jay was referring to. Freemanps Glenn could easily sub for Dave Barry On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:30 AM, BERNICE FREEMAN <hbf4747@...> wrote: = Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him "You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life." I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat! Anyone know of a nice chianti? Rod Tillamook, Oregon Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Rodney G. , DC Tillamook Natural Health Center 309 Laurel Ave. Tillamook, OR 97141 503-842-6532 -- D Freeman PhD MPH DCForensic EpidemiologistAffiliate Professor of EpidemiologyDepartment of Public Health and Preventive MedicineOregon Health and Science University School of Medicine Affiliate Professor of PsychiatryDepartment of PsychiatryOregon Health and Science University School of MedicineAdjunct Associate Professor of Forensic Medicine and EpidemiologyInstitute of Forensic Medicine, Faculty of Health Sciences Aarhus University Aarhus, DenmarkMailing address: 1234 SW 18th Ave, Suite 102Portland, OR 97205T 971-255-1008, F 971-255-1046C 503-871-0715forensictrauma@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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