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At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!!

I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though.

My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out.

After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really?

ph Medlin D.C.

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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM

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At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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Source of info concerning whole grainshttp://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grainsAlan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To: ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut

Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!!

I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though.

My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out.

After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really?

ph Medlin D.C.

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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM

Subject: Paleo-nut

At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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Holy smokes, Dr Medlin, did you just say that outload? Just kidding, I'm glad to see you're coming around to our way of thinking a bit. I'd like to add one thing to the table about grains, and perhaps I've said this before: I test nearly everyone's gut. I find things you would not believe in there, even in people who have had nothing interesting happen in their entire lives (no exotic travel, no well water, no camping). Here's the deal with most bugs (bacterium, fungus, parasites)- they LOVE carbohydrates. They live off of anything that has sugar as a substrate, that means grains. Old docs used to know the rule, when someone had chronic joint pain and/or arthitis, they were put on a trial of a "No Starch" diet. They didn't know why this helped, they just knew that it did.I treat chronic pain, that's the crux of my practice. Pain that conservative care has not been able to help. I do not lie when I tell you that at least 8/10 people feel significantly better when they cut grains. Chronic OA pain calms to a dull, dull roar. Fired up RA calms right now. (old ND and DC tx for RA flares is a fast). Bugs eat the grains, bugs have a party in the gut, and for several very legit and scientifically proven reasons, pain ensues in the host.I've yet to meet a pain patient that I could not help by killing off the unwanted critters in their guts- and the best and most effective way to start that process is to starve the bugs.I honestly think that is over 50% of why a gluten free diet is helpful. It's not just the gluten, it's the grains in general (even gluten free stuff can really cause a lot of problems for some)(btw, I retest these people. They rarely clear the bugs w/out starving them, no matter how strong the drug/herbal arsenal:) Tyna , ND, DCNatural Medicine Clinic1600 SW Cedar Hills BlvdPortland, OR 97225503.644.4446www.corewellnesspdx.comwww.natural-healthmedicine.comwww.renegadewellness.org

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Alan and Joe,The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched:http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852Best,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut

Source of info concerning whole grainshttp://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grainsAlan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To: ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42

-0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut

Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!!

I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though.

My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out.

After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really?

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM

Subject: Paleo-nut

At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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Alan,Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages), you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with the answer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias. It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd

(i.e. large or small epidemiological study), even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killing us, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost.As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy:

Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years)

Overall Male Female

*** World average 67.2 65.0 69.5

1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1

2 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.1

3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3

4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2

5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6

6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2

7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0

8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8

9 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.8

10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japan and China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when we are talking about "are grains healthy". We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list.

Happy Holidays to you all!Jay From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> pdxchiroguy@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut

Thanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asians who have higher disease rates, who consume less of a

macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumption have higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search.The truth search continues.Alan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To: alansmithdc@...; From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut

Alan and Joe,The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched:http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852Best,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut

Source of info concerning whole grainshttp://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grainsAlan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To: ; dcdocbrian@...From:

spinetree@...Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42

-0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut

Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!!

I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though.

My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out.

After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really?

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM

Subject: Paleo-nut

At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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Dear docs;I intend the following to be more an observation and not a criticism of any specific diet advice, because truthfully I’m confused…. I just watched Forks over Knives and the movie makes a pretty convincing argument to avoid meat products.Although I’m Type “O†blood and I understand I should be eating a more meat based diet, and I have read some very persuasive arguments on this list serve, that meat is not the enemy. As far as I can tell, apparently carbs are evil. I have heard some Atkins’s faithful deride fresh fruits because they are too high in sugar.I’m pretty sure that I should start smoking cigarettes before I consume any dairy.I need to avoid soy because it is too GMO and rather high in estrogen mimics.I need to avoid the nightshade family; potato, tomato, eggplant, and peppers because they are pro-inflammatory.My acupuncturist wants me to avoid foods that “turn up the heatâ€.Scale fish are out because of mercury content. Shell fish are out due to Old Testament rules and the fact they filter the crap off the seafloor. I can’t drink tap water because the Communists are adding fluoride to the water. I also need to buy locally to reduce transportation and thereby get fresher food and reduce my carbon foot print. And of course only eat foods that are in season. (Although I’m not sure if they should be “in season†where I live, Portland; or in season where I was born, Philadelphia; or in season where I grew up, Buffalo, NY; or in season where myancestry traces back to, Ireland). And eggs… well… they were great for me in the 70s, the death of me in the 80s, not so bad in the 90s, and now they are great again. Truthfully, I’m afraid to buy eggs because I don’t know if they will be good or bad for me by the timeI can cook them! As far as I can tell this leaves me with a diet of cabbage, broccoli, asparagus, and Brussels sprouts.Of course I have to grow it all in my own backyard with organic, grass fed, free range steer manure as a fertilizer and lady bugs as a pesticide. And I can’t cook anything in the microwave or in non-stick pans. Wait don’t cook anything… all food should be raw.I can use olive oil, but can’t heat it or the cis fats turn trans. I have to keep it dark and cool to slow it from turning rancid. Coconut oil is better but A) it tastes like coconut and B) has to be shipped from the tropics, screwingup my carbon footprint. I have to be careful not to store anything in the wrong plastics. Now I’m so stressed over eating, that my cortisol levels are thru the roof so I’m going to burn out my adrenals and I’ll gain weight no matter what I eat. Of course thanks to Drs. Feinberg and Sears I now know that these stressful thoughts may be more dangerous than whatever food I choose, because the stressful thoughts are vibrations in my body that will reinforce negative patterns leadingto disease. Of course what we call “food†is nothing more than a physical representation that our conscience minds manifest to represent particular energy waves, so maybe it does matter what I eat. Or is it only important just to believe that what I’m eatingis good? Now I’m pretty sure that as you read this you came across one point and thought, “AHA! That is the key point and all these others are crap. And I have 20 studies to prove why mine is right and all the others are less significant.†And rightnow you’re about to pen a beautifully thought out, thoroughly researched and passionate e-mail. But my point is not to start an intellectual fight over your point vs. someone else’s. My point is that I’m confused and imagine what it must be like for ourpatients. I’ve decided to go with the “all beer and chocolate chip cookies dietâ€. Thank you for reading this rant.Have a good evening… I’m stopping at Mc’s on the drive home! Glenn Sykes, DC Gresham Town Fair Chiropractic ClinicPhone: (503) 667-6744Fax: (503) 661-7896WWW.GRESHAMCHIROPRACTOR.NET From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of LindekugelSent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:05 PMDC ListserveSubject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan,Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages),you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with theanswer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias. It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd (i.e. large or small epidemiological study),even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killingus, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost. As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy:Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years)Overall Male Female*** World average 67.2 65.0 69.51 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.12 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.13 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.34 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.25 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.66 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.27 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.08 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.89 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.810 France 80.7 77.1 84.1 Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japanand China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when weare talking about " are grains healthy " . We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list. Happy Holidays to you all!Jay From: Alan <alansmithdc@...>pdxchiroguy@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AMSubject: RE: Paleo-nutThanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asianswho have higher disease rates, who consume less of a macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumptionhave higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search.The truth search continues.Alan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...To:alansmithdc@...; From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan and Joe,The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched:http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852Best,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PMSubject: RE: Paleo-nut Source of info concerning whole grainshttp://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grainsAlan , D.C743 Lawrence StEugene, OR 97401-2501541.343.1942alansmithdc@...; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physicallyhave been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old.A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doingany cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat lessprocessed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us haveevolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From:BRIAN SEITZSent: Friday, December02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson:http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. 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Rant away Glen. I got a kick out of that. Thanks. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center From: Dr. Glenn Sykes <drsykes@...> " ( )" < > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:33 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut

Dear docs; I intend the following to be more an observation and not a criticism of any specific diet advice, because truthfully I’m confused…. I just watched Forks over Knives and the movie makes a pretty convincing argument to avoid meat products. Although I’m Type “O†blood and I understand I should be eating a more meat based diet, and I have read some very persuasive arguments on this list serve, that meat is not the enemy. As far as I can tell, apparently carbs are evil. I have heard some Atkins’s faithful deride fresh fruits because they are too high in sugar. I’m pretty sure that I should start smoking cigarettes before I consume any dairy. I need to avoid soy because it is too GMO and rather high in estrogen mimics. I need to avoid the nightshade family; potato, tomato, eggplant, and peppers because they are pro-inflammatory. My acupuncturist wants me to avoid foods that “turn up the heatâ€. Scale fish are out because of mercury content. Shell fish are out due to Old Testament rules and the fact they filter the crap off the seafloor. I can’t drink tap water because the Communists are adding fluoride to the water.

I also need to buy locally to reduce transportation and thereby get fresher food and reduce my carbon foot print. And of course only eat foods that are in season. (Although I’m not sure if they should be “in season†where I live, Portland; or in season where I was born, Philadelphia; or in season where I grew up, Buffalo, NY; or in season where my

ancestry traces back to, Ireland). And eggs… well… they were great for me in the 70s, the death of me in the 80s, not so bad in the 90s, and now they are great again. Truthfully, I’m afraid to buy eggs because I don’t know if they will be good or bad for me by the time

I can cook them! As far as I can tell this leaves me with a diet of cabbage, broccoli, asparagus, and Brussels sprouts.

Of course I have to grow it all in my own backyard with organic, grass fed, free range steer manure as a fertilizer and lady bugs as a pesticide.

And I can’t cook anything in the microwave or in non-stick pans. Wait don’t cook anything… all food should be raw. I can use olive oil, but can’t heat it or the cis fats turn trans. I have to keep it dark and cool to slow it from turning rancid. Coconut oil is better but A) it tastes like coconut and B) has to be shipped from the tropics, screwing

up my carbon footprint. I have to be careful not to store anything in the wrong plastics.

Now I’m so stressed over eating, that my cortisol levels are thru the roof so I’m going to burn out my adrenals and I’ll gain weight no matter what I eat.

Of course thanks to Drs. Feinberg and Sears I now know that these stressful thoughts may be more dangerous than whatever food I choose, because the stressful thoughts are vibrations in my body that will reinforce negative patterns leading

to disease. Of course what we call “food†is nothing more than a physical representation that our conscience minds manifest to represent particular energy waves, so maybe it does matter what I eat. Or is it only important just to believe that what I’m eating

is good? Now I’m pretty sure that as you read this you came across one point and thought, “AHA! That is the key point and all these others are crap. And I have 20 studies to prove why mine is right and all the others are less significant.†And right

now you’re about to pen a beautifully thought out, thoroughly researched and passionate e-mail. But my point is not to start an intellectual fight over your point vs. someone else’s. My point is that I’m confused and imagine what it must be like for our

patients. I’ve decided to go with the “all beer and chocolate chip cookies dietâ€.

Thank you for reading this rant. Have a good evening… I’m stopping at Mc’s on the drive home! Glenn Sykes, DC Gresham Town Fair Chiropractic Clinic Phone: (503) 667-6744 Fax: (503) 661-7896 WWW.GRESHAMCHIROPRACTOR.NET

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Alan,

Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages),

you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with the

answer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias.

It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd (i.e. large or small epidemiological study),

even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killing

us, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost.

As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy:

Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years)

Overall Male Female

*** World average 67.2 65.0 69.5

1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1

2 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.1

3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3

4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2

5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6

6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2

7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0

8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8

9 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.8

10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1

Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japan

and China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when we

are talking about "are grains healthy". We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list.

Happy Holidays to you all!

Jay

From: Alan <alansmithdc@...>

pdxchiroguy@...

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AM

Subject: RE: Paleo-nut

Thanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asians

who have higher disease rates, who consume less of a macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumption

have higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search.

The truth search continues.

Alan , D.C

743 Lawrence St

Eugene, OR 97401-2501

541.343.1942

alansmithdc@...

To:

alansmithdc@...;

From: pdxchiroguy@...

Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800

Subject: Re: Paleo-nut

Alan and Joe,

The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry.

Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched:

http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852

Best,

Jay

Lindekugel, DC

Concordia Chiropractic Center

5425 NE 33rd Ave.

Portland Or. 97211

From: Alan <alansmithdc@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM

Subject: RE: Paleo-nut

Source of info concerning whole grains

http://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grains

Alan , D.C

743 Lawrence St

Eugene, OR 97401-2501

541.343.1942

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;

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800

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Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically

have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old.

A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing

any cardio!!

I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less

processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though.

My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have

evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out.

After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really?

ph Medlin D.C.

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Paleo-nut

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http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/

Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand.

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Loved it, Glen!  Here are some more sobering statistics:

A recent joint study

conducted by the Department of Health and the 

Department of Motor Vehicles indicates that 23% of traffic

accidents are 

alcohol related.

This means that the remaining 77% are caused by individuals

who drink bottled 

water, starbucks, soda, juice, energy drinks, and other

non-alcoholic beverages.

Therefore, beware of those who don't drink alcohol. They cause

three times 

as many accidents.  :-)

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.LimitlessRelief.com

On 12/19/2011 6:33 PM, Dr. Glenn Sykes wrote:

 

Dear docs;

I intend the following to be more an

observation and not a criticism of any specific diet

advice, because truthfully I’m confused….

 

I just watched Forks over Knives

and the movie makes a pretty convincing argument to

avoid meat products.

Although I’m Type “O†blood and I

understand I should be eating a more meat based diet,

and I have read some very persuasive arguments on this

list serve, that meat is not the enemy.

 

As far as I can tell, apparently

carbs are evil.

 

I have heard some Atkins’s faithful

deride fresh fruits because they are too high in sugar.

I’m pretty sure that I should start

smoking cigarettes before I consume any dairy.

I need to avoid soy because it is too

GMO and rather high in estrogen mimics.

I need to avoid the nightshade

family; potato, tomato, eggplant, and peppers because

they are pro-inflammatory.

My acupuncturist wants me to avoid

foods that “turn up the heatâ€.

Scale fish are out because of mercury

content. 

Shell fish are out due to Old

Testament rules and the fact they filter the crap off

the seafloor.

 

I can’t drink tap water because the

Communists are adding fluoride to the water. 

 

I also need to buy locally to reduce

transportation and thereby get fresher food and reduce

my carbon foot print.

 

And of course only eat foods that are

in season.  (Although I’m not sure if they should be “in

season†where I live, Portland; or in season where I was

born, Philadelphia; or in season where I grew up,

Buffalo, NY; or in season where my ancestry traces back

to, Ireland).  

 

And eggs… well… they were great for

me in the 70s, the death of me in the 80s, not so bad in

the 90s, and now they are great again.  Truthfully, I’m

afraid to buy eggs because I don’t know if they will be

good or bad for me by the time I can cook them!

 

As far as I can tell this leaves me

with a diet of cabbage, broccoli, asparagus, and

Brussels sprouts.

Of course I have to grow it all in my

own backyard with organic, grass fed, free range steer

manure as a fertilizer and lady bugs as a pesticide. 

 

And I can’t cook anything in the

microwave or in non-stick pans.  Wait don’t cook

anything… all food should be raw.

I can use olive oil, but can’t heat

it or the cis fats turn trans.  I have to keep it dark

and cool to slow it from turning rancid. Coconut oil is

better but A) it tastes like coconut and B) has to be

shipped from the tropics, screwing up my carbon

footprint.

 

I have to be careful not to store

anything in the wrong plastics. 

 

Now I’m so stressed over eating, that

my cortisol levels are thru the roof so I’m going to

burn out my adrenals and I’ll gain weight no matter what

I eat.

 

Of course thanks to Drs. Feinberg and

Sears I now know that these stressful thoughts may be

more dangerous than whatever food I choose, because the

stressful thoughts are vibrations in my body that will

reinforce negative patterns leading to disease.  Of

course what we call “food†is nothing more than a

physical representation that our conscience minds

manifest to represent particular energy waves, so maybe

it does matter what I eat.  Or is it only important just

to believe that what I’m eating is good?

 

Now I’m pretty sure that as you read

this you came across one point and thought, “AHA! That

is the key point and all these others are crap. And I

have 20 studies to prove why mine is right and all the

others are less significant.†And right now you’re about

to pen a beautifully thought out, thoroughly researched

and passionate e-mail.  But my point is not to start an

intellectual fight over your point vs. someone else’s. 

My point is that I’m confused and imagine what it must

be like for our patients.

 

I’ve decided to go with the “all beer

and chocolate chip cookies dietâ€.

 

Thank you for reading this rant.

Have a good evening… I’m stopping at

Mc’s on the drive home!

 

Glenn Sykes, DC

 

Gresham

Town Fair Chiropractic Clinic

Phone:

(503) 667-6744

Fax:

(503) 661-7896

WWW.GRESHAMCHIROPRACTOR.NET

 

 

 

 

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Lindekugel

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:05 PM

DC Listserve

Subject: Re: Paleo-nut

 

 

Alan,

Epidemiological studies

are of the lowest form of research, severely

prone to selection bias.  If you look at the

raw data of the China study for instance

(800+ pages), you will find animal protein

inversely correlated with cancer and

all-cause mortality.  Interestingly, wheat

showed a very significant correlation with

increased CHD.  But you can easily do

multivariate analysis in a thousand ways

till you come up with the answer you are

looking for, ie animal protein is correlated

with cancer when corrected for

blah-blah-blah, but you are really just

showing your selection bias. 

 

It is impossible to

draw causation from these types of studies,

no matter how many people are included.  If

you start with a turd (i.e. large or small

epidemiological study), even a really big

one and divide it into a million pieces, you

still end up with a turd.  Randomized

clinical trials are much stronger tools at

determining causation.  Luckily, there are

many of these higher quality studies showing

that fat is not killing us, and the few

benefits of grains are not worth the

sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating

cost.

 

As far as the Asian

issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so

countries) list of life expectancy:

Rank

Country/territory Life expectancy at birth

(years)

Overall Male Female

*** World average 67.2 65.0 69.5

1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1

2 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.1

3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3

4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2

5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6

6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2

7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0

8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8

9 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.8

10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1

 

Iceland, Sweeden and

Switzerland all are big meat and milk

consumers and happen to tend toward heavy

alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the

same life-expectancy as Japan and China. 

Japan was in the middle of the 200 country

list in the 50's and 60's and consider more

easy access to meat, milk and improved

health care as reasons for the improvement

in this latest list.  But, again, this

doesn't really mean anything when we are

talking about "are grains healthy".  We

don't really know why these countries fall

into these places on the list. 

 

Happy Holidays to you

all!

Jay

 

 

 

 

From:

Alan <alansmithdc@...>

pdxchiroguy@...

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011

10:25 AM

Subject: RE:

Paleo-nut

Thanks Jay 

Interesting take on things. 

didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest,

longest  lived people, (not city

asians who have higher disease

rates, who consume less of a

macrobiotic diet, higher consumption

of white grains and flours)  He

advocates meat consumption, (animal

organ meats), which the China study

and Farmington study show countries

with high meat consumption have

higher disease rates.  I appreciate

the info on the whole grains

council.  I just ran across them

during an internet search.

The truth search continues.

Alan

, D.C

743 Lawrence St

Eugene, OR 97401-2501

541.343.1942

alansmithdc@...

To:

alansmithdc@...;

From: pdxchiroguy@...

Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35

-0800

Subject: Re:

Paleo-nut

 

 

Alan

and Joe,

The

whole Grains Council is

a non-profit created by

the grain industry. 

Here

is another take. 

Colpo's tone is

regrettable, but fairly

well researched:

http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852

Best,

Jay

 

Lindekugel, DC

Concordia

Chiropractic Center

5425

NE 33rd Ave.

Portland

Or. 97211

 

 

From: Alan <alansmithdc@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday,

December 15, 2011 2:49

PM

Subject: RE:

Paleo-nut

 

Source

of info

concerning whole grains

http://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grains

Alan

, D.C

743 Lawrence

St

Eugene, OR

97401-2501

541.343.1942

alansmithdc@...

To:

;

dcdocbrian@...

From: spinetree@...

Date: Thu, 15

Dec 2011

14:21:42 -0800

Subject: Re:

[From

OregonDCs]

Paleo-nut

 

 

Actually this past

year I’ve had

the benefit of

observing a

few patients

and friends

tackle the

paleo diet in

earnest. The

results

physically

have been

quite

impressive. 

Two guys in

particular are

working out

weight lifting

in addition to

the diet and

they are

looking

Ripped! The

lean body mass

and lack of

body fat is

quite

noticeable. 

One man is in

his 50s and

looks like a

ripped 30 year

old. A couple

others haven’t

had a dramatic

weight

reduction, but

they didn’t

eat a lot of

carbs and

sugars before

the diet. 

However, they

are putting on

lean muscle

mass.  I’ve

also stressed

to them that

cardio

exercise is

still

important.

None of them

are doing any

cardio!!  

 

I must say I’m

pretty

impressed from

what I’ve seen

so far.

Obviously the

formula is a

good one.

Anytime we can

get folks to

eat less

processed

foods, reduce

their sugars

and simple

carbs, eat

more fruits

and veggies I

think you’re

going to have

good results. 

The results

will be more

pronounced

given the

amount of

grains etc.

consumed

pre-diet

though.

 

My stance on the

Gluten

sensitivity

issue hasn’t

changed. I ‘m

still

skeptical of

some of the

testing etc...

I feel that

most of us

have evolved

to be able to

safely consume

grains without

allergic

response and

that

eliminating

Gluten isn’t a

cure all.   If

one’s diet is

heavy in

grains they

could benefit

from

substituting

more meats

veggies fruits

and nuts no

matter what to

balance it

out.

 

After looking at

some of these

Paleo folks

it’s almost

tempting to do

the diet

myself, but

wow, what a

commitment. I

mean, No beer?

really?

 

ph Medlin D.C.

 

From:

BRIAN

SEITZ

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM

To:

Subject: Paleo-nut

 

 

 

At the risk of

being labeled

a paleo-nut

(again),

consider this

very well

written blog

post by Mark

Sisson:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/

Consider reading

part 1 of the

series as

well.  It is

very familiar

ground but

written in a

manner for all

to understand.

Seitz,

DC Tuality

Physicians

730-D SE Oak

St Hillsboro,

OR 97123

(503)640-3724

 

 

 

 

 

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I rate that rant right on!Thanks, Glenn.Rod Tillamook

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Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand.

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Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him "You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life." I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat!Anyone know of a nice chianti?Rod Tillamook, Oregon Paleo-nut

At the risk of

being labeled

a paleo-nut

(again),

consider this

very well

written blog

post by Mark

Sisson:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/

Consider reading

part 1 of the

series as

well. It is

very familiar

ground but

written in a

manner for all

to understand.

Seitz,

DC Tuality

Physicians

730-D SE Oak

St Hillsboro,

OR 97123

(503)640-3724

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All joking aside, I see this post as absolutely true. It points to moderation and balance which is how we should largely be educating our patients.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Rod DC

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:23 AM

Lyndon McGill ; oregon dc's

Subject: Re: Paleo-nut

Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him "You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life."

I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat!

Anyone know of a nice chianti?

Rod

Tillamook, Oregon

Paleo-nut

At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/

Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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Good clinical nutritional article by Doug Andersen in the

latest issue of Dynamic Chiropractic (page 10).

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.LimitlessRelief.com

> All joking aside, I see this post as absolutely true. It

> points to moderation and balance which is how we should

> largely be educating our patients.

>

>

> ph Medlin D.C.

>

> From: Rod DC

> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:23 AM

> Lyndon McGill ; oregon dc's

> Subject: Re: Paleo-nut

>

>

>

> Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of

> diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us

> that everything we have known as truth for so long is now

> wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD

> - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing -

> taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in

> the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and

> learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest

> things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I

> caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos

> in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me

> the one lecture I really remember from him " You can do

> everything completely right and maybe live an extra year

> or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life. "

>

>

>

> I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an

> omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar

> , alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of

> mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one

> to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's

> population explosion and finally silence those authorities

> that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite!

> You are what you eat!

>

>

> Anyone know of a nice chianti?

>

>

> Rod

> Tillamook, Oregon

>

>

> Paleo-nut

>

>

>

>

>

> At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again),

> consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson:

>

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do\

-about-it/

>

> Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is

> very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to

> understand.

>

> Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St

> Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I have to feign some umbrage over Jay's statements about epidemiology, which are almost entirely incorrect over generalizations. All of the studies that Jay refers to, including RCTs, are epidemiologic studies. I believe he is referring to ecologic or correlational studies when he calls them the lowest quality study, which is also not correct, depending on what you are trying to study. For example, an ecologic study (one that doesn't look at individuals) that described the average age at death of smokers versus nonsmokers could yield valuable and reasonable inferences with regard to the effect the smoking has on life expectancy. A " multivariate " statistical analysis would be intended to take into account and adjust for other predictors of death that may differ between the groups.

Causal analyses can rely on such studies, but typically only in conjunction with other studies, including the kinds that Jay was referring to. Freemanps Glenn could easily sub for Dave Barry

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:30 AM, BERNICE FREEMAN <hbf4747@...> wrote:

Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again.  Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him " You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life. "  

I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat!

Anyone know of a nice chianti?

Rod

Tillamook, Oregon

Paleo-nut

 

At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/

Consider reading part 1 of the series as well.  It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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Yes, I am on board with the evils of gluten/ grains..... but as every Christmas goody comes across the front desk for holiday cheer, I don't know if it is evil to give it to someone else so that we don't eat it.

Friendly poisoning?

Teicheira

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At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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I guess I'd come down on the "Don't worry, be happy" side of this confusion. The confusion may be more problematic than the pleasure. but you get to decide.Consider that everything begins with your consciousness. Everything that happens in your life, and everything that happens in your body, begins with something happening in your consciousness. Your consciousness is who you are, your experience of Being.You decide what ideas to accept and which to reject. You decide what to think, and you decide what to feel. When these decisions leave you with residual stress, you experience the stress as if in your physical body. We know that stress creates symptoms. The interesting question is, "Which stress creates which symptoms?" As always, the better you know yourself, the better you feel, the happier you are, the longer you live (maybe). Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Dec 19, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Dr. Glenn Sykes wrote: Dear docs;I intend the following to be more an observation and not a criticism of any specific diet advice, because truthfully I’m confused…. I just watched Forks over Knives and the movie makes a pretty convincing argument to avoid meat products.Although I’m Type “O” blood and I understand I should be eating a more meat based diet, and I have read some very persuasive arguments on this list serve, that meat is not the enemy. As far as I can tell, apparently carbs are evil. I have heard some Atkins’s faithful deride fresh fruits because they are too high in sugar.I’m pretty sure that I should start smoking cigarettes before I consume any dairy.I need to avoid soy because it is too GMO and rather high in estrogen mimics.I need to avoid the nightshade family; potato, tomato, eggplant, and peppers because they are pro-inflammatory.My acupuncturist wants me to avoid foods that “turn up the heat”.Scale fish are out because of mercury content. Shell fish are out due to Old Testament rules and the fact they filter the crap off the seafloor. I can’t drink tap water because the Communists are adding fluoride to the water. I also need to buy locally to reduce transportation and thereby get fresher food and reduce my carbon foot print. And of course only eat foods that are in season. (Although I’m not sure if they should be “in season” where I live, Portland; or in season where I was born, Philadelphia; or in season where I grew up, Buffalo, NY; or in season where my ancestry traces back to, Ireland). And eggs… well… they were great for me in the 70s, the death of me in the 80s, not so bad in the 90s, and now they are great again. Truthfully, I’m afraid to buy eggs because I don’t know if they will be good or bad for me by the time I can cook them! As far as I can tell this leaves me with a diet of cabbage, broccoli, asparagus, and Brussels sprouts. Of course I have to grow it all in my own backyard with organic, grass fed, free range steer manure as a fertilizer and lady bugs as a pesticide. And I can’t cook anything in the microwave or in non-stick pans. Wait don’t cook anything… all food should be raw.I can use olive oil, but can’t heat it or the cis fats turn trans. I have to keep it dark and cool to slow it from turning rancid. Coconut oil is better but A) it tastes like coconut and B) has to be shipped from the tropics, screwing up my carbon footprint. I have to be careful not to store anything in the wrong plastics. Now I’m so stressed over eating, that my cortisol levels are thru the roof so I’m going to burn out my adrenals and I’ll gain weight no matter what I eat. Of course thanks to Drs. Feinberg and Sears I now know that these stressful thoughts may be more dangerous than whatever food I choose, because the stressful thoughts are vibrations in my body that will reinforce negative patterns leading to disease. Of course what we call “food” is nothing more than a physical representation that our conscience minds manifest to represent particular energy waves, so maybe it does matter what I eat. Or is it only important just to believe that what I’m eating is good? Now I’m pretty sure that as you read this you came across one point and thought, “AHA! That is the key point and all these others are crap. And I have 20 studies to prove why mine is right and all the others are less significant.” And right now you’re about to pen a beautifully thought out, thoroughly researched and passionate e-mail. But my point is not to start an intellectual fight over your point vs. someone else’s. My point is that I’m confused and imagine what it must be like for our patients. I’ve decided to go with the “all beer and chocolate chip cookies diet”. Thank you for reading this rant.Have a good evening… I’m stopping at Mc’s on the drive home! Glenn Sykes, DC Gresham Town Fair Chiropractic ClinicPhone: (503) 667-6744Fax: (503) 661-7896WWW.GRESHAMCHIROPRACTOR.NET From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lindekugel Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:05 PM DC Listserve Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan, Epidemiological studies are of the lowest form of research, severely prone to selection bias. If you look at the raw data of the China study for instance (800+ pages), you will find animal protein inversely correlated with cancer and all-cause mortality. Interestingly, wheat showed a very significant correlation with increased CHD. But you can easily do multivariate analysis in a thousand ways till you come up with the answer you are looking for, ie animal protein is correlated with cancer when corrected for blah-blah-blah, but you are really just showing your selection bias. It is impossible to draw causation from these types of studies, no matter how many people are included. If you start with a turd (i.e. large or small epidemiological study), even a really big one and divide it into a million pieces, you still end up with a turd. Randomized clinical trials are much stronger tools at determining causation. Luckily, there are many of these higher quality studies showing that fat is not killing us, and the few benefits of grains are not worth the sugar/antinutrient/autoimmune stimulating cost. As far as the Asian issue goes, here is a top 10 (of 200 or so countries) list of life expectancy: Rank Country/territory Life expectancy at birth (years) Overall Male Female *** World average 67.2 65.0 69.5 1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1 2 Hong Kong (PRC) 82.2 79.4 85.1 3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3 4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2 5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6 6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2 7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0 8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8 9 Macau (PRC) 80.7 78.5 82.8 10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1 Iceland, Sweeden and Switzerland all are big meat and milk consumers and happen to tend toward heavy alcohol consumption, yet have nearly the same life-expectancy as Japan and China. Japan was in the middle of the 200 country list in the 50's and 60's and consider more easy access to meat, milk and improved health care as reasons for the improvement in this latest list. But, again, this doesn't really mean anything when we are talking about "are grains healthy". We don't really know why these countries fall into these places on the list. Happy Holidays to you all! Jay From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> pdxchiroguy@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Thanks Jay Interesting take on things. didn't address the issue of rural asians being the healthiest, longest lived people, (not city asians who have higher disease rates, who consume less of a macrobiotic diet, higher consumption of white grains and flours) He advocates meat consumption, (animal organ meats), which the China study and Farmington study show countries with high meat consumption have higher disease rates. I appreciate the info on the whole grains council. I just ran across them during an internet search. The truth search continues. Alan , D.C 743 Lawrence St Eugene, OR 97401-2501 541.343.1942 alansmithdc@... alansmithdc@...; From: pdxchiroguy@... Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:44:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Alan and Joe, The whole Grains Council is a non-profit created by the grain industry. Here is another take. Colpo's tone is regrettable, but fairly well researched: http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852 Best, Jay Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic Center 5425 NE 33rd Ave. Portland Or. 97211 From: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Paleo-nut Source of info concerning whole grains http://www.wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grains Alan , D.C 743 Lawrence St Eugene, OR 97401-2501 541.343.1942 alansmithdc@... ; dcdocbrian@... From: spinetree@... Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:21:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Paleo-nut Actually this past year I’ve had the benefit of observing a few patients and friends tackle the paleo diet in earnest. The results physically have been quite impressive. Two guys in particular are working out weight lifting in addition to the diet and they are looking Ripped! The lean body mass and lack of body fat is quite noticeable. One man is in his 50s and looks like a ripped 30 year old. A couple others haven’t had a dramatic weight reduction, but they didn’t eat a lot of carbs and sugars before the diet. However, they are putting on lean muscle mass. I’ve also stressed to them that cardio exercise is still important. None of them are doing any cardio!! I must say I’m pretty impressed from what I’ve seen so far. Obviously the formula is a good one. Anytime we can get folks to eat less processed foods, reduce their sugars and simple carbs, eat more fruits and veggies I think you’re going to have good results. The results will be more pronounced given the amount of grains etc. consumed pre-diet though. My stance on the Gluten sensitivity issue hasn’t changed. I ‘m still skeptical of some of the testing etc... I feel that most of us have evolved to be able to safely consume grains without allergic response and that eliminating Gluten isn’t a cure all. If one’s diet is heavy in grains they could benefit from substituting more meats veggies fruits and nuts no matter what to balance it out. After looking at some of these Paleo folks it’s almost tempting to do the diet myself, but wow, what a commitment. I mean, No beer? really? ph Medlin D.C. From: BRIAN SEITZ Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Paleo-nut At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

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Best (comic) advice I've ever heard on food was this from Mark Twain:

"Eat what you want and let the food fight about it inside you!"

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Paleo-nut> > > > > > At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again),> consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson:>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/> > Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is> very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to> understand. > > Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St> Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724> > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,> version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218)> __________> > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > > http://www.eset.com> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,> version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218)> __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,> version of virus signature database 6722 (20111218)> __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com> > > Rodney G. , DC> Tillamook Natural Health Center> 309 Laurel Ave.> Tillamook, OR 97141> 503-842-6532

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OK, OK Micheal. I may have overstated and wrongly stated my point. And I may have needed to look up umbrage to see if you were arguing for or against my points. But now you will NOT be receiving one of my coveted fruit cakes this year in the mail ; )But seriously - thanks for your correction. Your clarification is always appreciated.Happy HolidaysJay From: Dr. Freeman <forensictrauma@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Paleo-nut

I have to feign some umbrage over Jay's statements about epidemiology, which are almost entirely incorrect over generalizations. All of the studies that Jay refers to, including RCTs, are epidemiologic studies. I believe he is referring to ecologic or correlational studies when he calls them the lowest quality study, which is also not correct, depending on what you are trying to study. For example, an ecologic study (one that doesn't look at individuals) that described the average age at death of smokers versus nonsmokers could yield valuable and reasonable inferences with regard to the effect the smoking has on life expectancy. A "multivariate" statistical analysis would be intended to take into account and adjust for other predictors of death that may differ between the groups.

Causal analyses can rely on such studies, but typically only in conjunction with other studies, including the kinds that Jay was referring to. Freemanps Glenn could easily sub for Dave Barry

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:30 AM, BERNICE FREEMAN <hbf4747@...> wrote:

=

Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him "You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life."

I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat!

Anyone know of a nice chianti?

Rod

Tillamook, Oregon

Paleo-nut

At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/

Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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309 Laurel Ave.

Tillamook, OR 97141

503-842-6532

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Affiliate Professor of PsychiatryDepartment of PsychiatryOregon Health and Science University School of MedicineAdjunct Associate Professor of Forensic Medicine and EpidemiologyInstitute of Forensic Medicine, Faculty of Health Sciences

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All,

Here is the way I should have stated my point (for those

that care). When the associations found

in ecological studies are relatively small, like we find in the China study,

they should be taken with a grain of salt until they are confirmed by randomized

clinical trials.

Micheal is right to point out that meaningfull inferences

can be drawn from these types of studies with smoking and lung cancer, because

the incidence of cancer in heavy smokers climbs to 2000 – 3000 percent. We can have much more confidence in these

numbers.

Lindekugel, DC

Concordia Chiropractic Center

From: Dr. Freeman <forensictrauma@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Paleo-nut

I have to feign some umbrage over Jay's statements about epidemiology, which are almost entirely incorrect over generalizations. All of the studies that Jay refers to, including RCTs, are epidemiologic studies. I believe he is referring to ecologic or correlational studies when he calls them the lowest quality study, which is also not correct, depending on what you are trying to study. For example, an ecologic study (one that doesn't look at individuals) that described the average age at death of smokers versus nonsmokers could yield valuable and reasonable inferences with regard to the effect the smoking has on life expectancy. A "multivariate" statistical analysis would be intended to take into account and adjust for other predictors of death that may differ between the groups.

Causal analyses can rely on such studies, but typically only in conjunction with other studies, including the kinds that Jay was referring to. Freemanps Glenn could easily sub for Dave Barry

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:30 AM, BERNICE FREEMAN <hbf4747@...> wrote:

=

Glenn's rant really got to me. I am also becoming weary of diametrically opposed nutritional authorities telling us that everything we have known as truth for so long is now wrong, then right, then wrong again. Leibovitz, PhD - nutrition teacher at WSCC and acolyte to Linus ing - taught us things that were way ahead of the curve back in the early '80's. I listened, studied, passed the tests and learned that evening primrose oil was one of the nastiest things you could burp up in the middle of the night. I caught in a dark corner of Taco Bell scarfing tacos in his wrinkled suit one night after school and he gave me the one lecture I really remember from him "You can do everything completely right and maybe live an extra year or you can eat everything in moderation and enjoy life."

I have been a pizzatarian, a vegetarian and an omnivorarian. I have eliminated grains, meat, dairy, sugar, alcohol, petrochemical vitamins and untold amounts of mucous. Perhaps the most sensible diet could also be one to help end world hunger, put a halt to the world's population explosion and finally silence those authorities that keep telling us we are wrong. Humanitarians unite! You are what you eat!

Anyone know of a nice chianti?

Rod

Tillamook, Oregon

Paleo-nut

At the risk of being labeled a paleo-nut (again), consider this very well written blog post by Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-agriculture-ruined-your-health-and-what-to-do-about-it/

Consider reading part 1 of the series as well. It is very familiar ground but written in a manner for all to understand. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

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Tillamook, OR 97141

503-842-6532

-- D Freeman PhD MPH DCForensic EpidemiologistAffiliate Professor of EpidemiologyDepartment of Public Health and Preventive MedicineOregon Health and Science University School of Medicine

Affiliate Professor of PsychiatryDepartment of PsychiatryOregon Health and Science University School of MedicineAdjunct Associate Professor of Forensic Medicine and EpidemiologyInstitute of Forensic Medicine, Faculty of Health Sciences

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