Re: Re: FW: The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)

[Guest guest]

I like your thinking I would suggest contacting members of the Convention Committee and Jan Ferrante. I will cc this to the board and Jan. Also y A. is right on the money you/we as a profession must have our facts straight when it comes to debating mandated vaccinations it is a very polarizing issue full of half-truths on both sides of the fence. You must know your stuff if your going to do battle with a medical professional/health officials in others words be armed with the studies that clearly support your argument of possible and probable downside of these agents. This must have a nexus in my opinion to the overarching narrative that making them mandatory for healthy infants, children, and adults violates the foundational bioethics of informed consent (the right to say no). The notion that society can sacrifice the few to benefit the many was rejected long, long ago as I recall a few medical experiments under the watch of some guy named Hitler had a lot to do with pushing this issue to that conclusion.....I respect and admire Barbara Loe Fisher she continues to fight the good fight, she will not slow down, she will not be beaten down, she will not give up, she presses on year after year after year providing a critical message to all....I like those qualities a great deal.

Vern Saboe

The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has> Covered It Up... (Part One)> > Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen > > Tuesday, October 4th, 2011> > I've been working on this story for months. There are so many parts> and paths to it, and the information I have gathered is so shocking,> it is simply difficult to write. > > Maybe it is taking so long because I don't want to be the messenger. > > And, I am going to have to break this story up into several parts.> > Starting Point...> > A man named Hooker PhD has recently filed a lawsuit in Federal> Court in Washington DC against the Center for Disease Control and> Prevention (CDC) demanding that the CDC quit stalling on his Freedom> of Information Act (FOIA) requests and provide him with the public> information he is looking for. Hooker has been making specific FOIA> requests to the CDC since March 11, 2005 on the subject of the CDC's> five "Thimerosal in vaccines studies." The CDC claims, falsely, that> these five studies prove the safety and efficacy of Thimerosal.> > Hooker had adequate reasons to be suspicious of the CDC, and their> Thimerosal position. I will give you those details in another> article.> > Hooker is a scientist and knows how studies are supposed to be done.> When he examined those five CDC studies he found a number of serious> credibility issues with every one of them. So he began asking> questions, and it wasn't long before the CDC shut the door.> Illegally.> > The CDC simply did not want a real scientist asking them pointed> questions.> > Hooker wants the details, including all communications between the> parties involved in the studies' communications (letters, emails,> etc.). He has accumulated, over time, a massive amount of information> on the subject, and is insistent on getting, and examining, every last> piece of paper, email, whatever. The CDC is falling all over itself> trying to keep records away from Hooker.> > Hooker has a thirteen year old son with Autism. As usual, > Hooker's son was just fine prior to being vaccinated.> > I have seen what Hooker has already gathered and on the basis> of that alone I can easily reach the conclusion, as you would, that:> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - and Has> Covered It Up...> > What I am going to tell you about in this article is that the> anti-vaccination movement is absolutely right in their concerns about> the vaccine situation, and, in fact, many parts of the movement would> be far more upset if they knew what I NOW KNOW.> > The situation is far worse than you can imagine.> > So, let's begin...> > To read the entire article click on www.bolenreport.com or> http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/foiasuit1.htm> > Tim Bolen> > http://www.bolenreport.com> > http://www.quackpotwatch.org> > -->

[Guest guest]

One place to begin is to acknowledge that vaccinations in and of themselves are good things. (Thank you, Ed Jenner)

However, the "non-working" contents of modern vaccinations: ethylene glycol, formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aluminum hydroxide, detergents, stabilizers, preservatives and heavy metal carriers can't be good for you. Those are the things that make me wonder about brain-tissue interactions causing harm.

Christian Mathisen, D.C., CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has> Covered It Up... (Part One)> > Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen > > Tuesday, October 4th, 2011> > I've been working on this story for months. There are so many parts> and paths to it, and the information I have gathered is so shocking,> it is simply difficult to write. > > Maybe it is taking so long because I don't want to be the messenger. > > And, I am going to have to break this story up into several parts.> > Starting Point...> > A man named Hooker PhD has recently filed a lawsuit in Federal> Court in Washington DC against the Center for Disease Control and> Prevention (CDC) demanding that the CDC quit stalling on his Freedom> of Information Act (FOIA) requests and provide him with the public> information he is looking for. Hooker has been making specific FOIA> requests to the CDC since March 11, 2005 on the subject of the CDC's> five "Thimerosal in vaccines studies." The CDC claims, falsely, that> these five studies prove the safety and efficacy of Thimerosal.> > Hooker had adequate reasons to be suspicious of the CDC, and their> Thimerosal position. I will give you those details in another> article.> > Hooker is a scientist and knows how studies are supposed to be done.> When he examined those five CDC studies he found a number of serious> credibility issues with every one of them. So he began asking> questions, and it wasn't long before the CDC shut the door.> Illegally.> > The CDC simply did not want a real scientist asking them pointed> questions.> > Hooker wants the details, including all communications between the> parties involved in the studies' communications (letters, emails,> etc.). He has accumulated, over time, a massive amount of information> on the subject, and is insistent on getting, and examining, every last> piece of paper, email, whatever. The CDC is falling all over itself> trying to keep records away from Hooker.> > Hooker has a thirteen year old son with Autism. As usual, > Hooker's son was just fine prior to being vaccinated.> > I have seen what Hooker has already gathered and on the basis> of that alone I can easily reach the conclusion, as you would, that:> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - and Has> Covered It Up...> > What I am going to tell you about in this article is that the> anti-vaccination movement is absolutely right in their concerns about> the vaccine situation, and, in fact, many parts of the movement would> be far more upset if they knew what I NOW KNOW.> > The situation is far worse than you can imagine.> > So, let's begin...> > To read the entire article click on www.bolenreport.com or> http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/foiasuit1.htm> > Tim Bolen> > http://www.bolenreport.com> > http://www.quackpotwatch.org> > -->

[Guest guest]

By the way, the "non working" contents of vaccines are very similar to substances found in a domestic can of beer. How many of you have stopped consumer beer because of this???Lyle Zurflu, D.C.From: Christian Mathisen <cmathdc@...>Vern Saboe <vsaboe@...>; ; spbkchiro97132 <spbkchiro@...>Cc: deshaw1996@...; danm@...; Dr.

Dan Beeson <drdan@...>; gchase97203@...; Ann Durrant DC <annmdurrant@...>; DrPitcarin <drjennifer@...>; skrndc1@...; Matt Freedman <mochihchu@...>; millerbunch6@...; rongrice01 <rongrice@...>; Charlie Caughlin <caughlindrc@...>; " M. s, D.C." <drbobdc83@...>; ehacmac <ehacmac@...>; Huma Pierce <humatrouble@...>; Jan Ferrante <oregonchiro@...>Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:39 AMSubject: Re: Re: FW: The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)

One place to begin is to acknowledge that vaccinations in and of themselves are good things. (Thank you, Ed Jenner)

However, the "non-working" contents of modern vaccinations: ethylene glycol, formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aluminum hydroxide, detergents, stabilizers, preservatives and heavy metal carriers can't be good for you. Those are the things that make me wonder about brain-tissue interactions causing harm.

Christian Mathisen, D.C., CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has> Covered It Up... (Part One)> > Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen > > Tuesday, October 4th, 2011> > I've been working on this story for months. There are so many parts> and paths to it, and the information I have gathered is so shocking,> it is simply difficult to write. > > Maybe it is taking so long because I don't want to be the messenger. > > And, I am going to have to break this story up into several parts.> > Starting Point...> > A man named Hooker PhD has recently filed a lawsuit in Federal> Court in Washington DC against the Center for Disease Control and> Prevention (CDC) demanding that the CDC quit stalling on his Freedom> of Information Act (FOIA) requests and provide him with the public> information he is looking for. Hooker has been making specific FOIA> requests to the CDC since March 11, 2005 on the subject of the CDC's> five "Thimerosal in vaccines studies." The CDC claims, falsely, that> these five studies prove the safety and efficacy of Thimerosal.> > Hooker had adequate reasons to be suspicious of the CDC, and their> Thimerosal position. I will give you those details in another> article.> > Hooker is a scientist and knows how studies are supposed to be done.> When he examined those five CDC studies he found a number of serious> credibility issues with every one of them. So he began asking> questions, and it wasn't long before the CDC shut the door.> Illegally.> > The CDC simply did not want a real scientist asking them pointed> questions.> > Hooker wants the details, including all communications between the> parties involved in the studies' communications (letters, emails,> etc.). He has accumulated, over time, a massive amount of information> on the subject, and is insistent on getting, and examining, every last> piece of paper, email, whatever. The CDC is falling all over itself> trying to keep records away from Hooker.> > Hooker has a thirteen year old son with Autism. As usual, > Hooker's son was just fine prior to being vaccinated.> > I have seen what Hooker has already gathered and on the basis> of that alone I can easily reach the conclusion, as you would, that:> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - and Has> Covered It Up...> > What I am going to tell you about in this article is that the> anti-vaccination movement is absolutely right in their concerns about> the vaccine situation, and, in fact, many parts of the movement would> be far more upset if they knew what I NOW KNOW.> > The situation is far worse than you can imagine.> > So, let's begin...> > To read the entire article click on www.bolenreport.com or> http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/foiasuit1.htm> > Tim Bolen> > http://www.bolenreport.com> > http://www.quackpotwatch.org> > -->

[Guest guest]

Dr. Mathisen, you forgot some of these things... (;-)

Egg proteins: including avian contaminant viruses Gelatin: can cause allergic reactions and anaphylaxis are usually associated with sensitivity to egg or gelatin Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™): can cause severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. Also associated with inferility in female mice.

Formaldehyde: known carcinogen Triton X100: a strong detergent Sucrose: table sugar Resin: known to cause allergic reactions Gentamycin: an antibiotic Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose flu shot vials

So, again WHY are they "in and of themselves" good things?? (;-)

M. s, D.C.

The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has> Covered It Up... (Part One)> > Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen > > Tuesday, October 4th, 2011> > I've been working on this story for months. There are so many parts> and paths to it, and the information I have gathered is so shocking,> it is simply difficult to write. > > Maybe it is taking so long because I don't want to be the messenger. > > And, I am going to have to break this story up into several parts.> > Starting Point...> > A man named Hooker PhD has recently filed a lawsuit in Federal> Court in Washington DC against the Center for Disease Control and> Prevention (CDC) demanding that the CDC quit stalling on his Freedom> of Information Act (FOIA) requests and provide him with the public> information he is looking for. Hooker has been making specific FOIA> requests to the CDC since March 11, 2005 on the subject of the CDC's> five "Thimerosal in vaccines studies." The CDC claims, falsely, that> these five studies prove the safety and efficacy of Thimerosal.> > Hooker had adequate reasons to be suspicious of the CDC, and their> Thimerosal position. I will give you those details in another> article.> > Hooker is a scientist and knows how studies are supposed to be done.> When he examined those five CDC studies he found a number of serious> credibility issues with every one of them. So he began asking> questions, and it wasn't long before the CDC shut the door.> Illegally.> > The CDC simply did not want a real scientist asking them pointed> questions.> > Hooker wants the details, including all communications between the> parties involved in the studies' communications (letters, emails,> etc.). He has accumulated, over time, a massive amount of information> on the subject, and is insistent on getting, and examining, every last> piece of paper, email, whatever. The CDC is falling all over itself> trying to keep records away from Hooker.> > Hooker has a thirteen year old son with Autism. As usual, > Hooker's son was just fine prior to being vaccinated.> > I have seen what Hooker has already gathered and on the basis> of that alone I can easily reach the conclusion, as you would, that:> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - and Has> Covered It Up...> > What I am going to tell you about in this article is that the> anti-vaccination movement is absolutely right in their concerns about> the vaccine situation, and, in fact, many parts of the movement would> be far more upset if they knew what I NOW KNOW.> > The situation is far worse than you can imagine.> > So, let's begin...> > To read the entire article click on www.bolenreport.com or> http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/foiasuit1.htm> > Tim Bolen> > http://www.bolenreport.com> > http://www.quackpotwatch.org> > -->

[Guest guest]

Lyle, Isn't there a vast difference in putting something through the gut/metabolic system vs injecting it into the blood delivery system? SunnySunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:55:52 -0700From: drzurflu@...Subject: Re: Re: FW: The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)cmathdc@...; vsaboe@...; ; spbkchiro@...CC: deshaw1996@...; danm@...; drdan@...; gchase97203@...; annmdurrant@...; drjennifer@...; skrndc1@...; mochihchu@...; millerbunch6@...; rongrice@...; caughlindrc@...; drbobdc83@...; ehacmac@...; humatrouble@...; oregonchiro@...By the way, the "non working" contents of vaccines are very similar to substances found in a domestic can of beer. How many of you have stopped consumer beer because of this???Lyle Zurflu, D.C.From: Christian Mathisen <cmathdc@...>Vern Saboe <vsaboe@...>; ; spbkchiro97132 <spbkchiro@...>Cc: deshaw1996@...; danm@...; Dr.

Dan Beeson <drdan@...>; gchase97203@...; Ann Durrant DC <annmdurrant@...>; DrPitcarin <drjennifer@...>; skrndc1@...; Matt Freedman <mochihchu@...>; millerbunch6@...; rongrice01 <rongrice@...>; Charlie Caughlin <caughlindrc@...>; " M. s, D.C." <drbobdc83@...>; ehacmac <ehacmac@...>; Huma Pierce <humatrouble@...>; Jan Ferrante <oregonchiro@...>Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:39 AMSubject: Re: Re: FW: The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)

One place to begin is to acknowledge that vaccinations in and of themselves are good things. (Thank you, Ed Jenner)

However, the "non-working" contents of modern vaccinations: ethylene glycol, formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aluminum hydroxide, detergents, stabilizers, preservatives and heavy metal carriers can't be good for you. Those are the things that make me wonder about brain-tissue interactions causing harm.

Christian Mathisen, D.C., CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has> Covered It Up... (Part One)> > Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen > > Tuesday, October 4th, 2011> > I've been working on this story for months. There are so many parts> and paths to it, and the information I have gathered is so shocking,> it is simply difficult to write. > > Maybe it is taking so long because I don't want to be the messenger. > > And, I am going to have to break this story up into several parts.> > Starting Point...> > A man named Hooker PhD has recently filed a lawsuit in Federal> Court in Washington DC against the Center for Disease Control and> Prevention (CDC) demanding that the CDC quit stalling on his Freedom> of Information Act (FOIA) requests and provide him with the public> information he is looking for. Hooker has been making specific FOIA> requests to the CDC since March 11, 2005 on the subject of the CDC's> five "Thimerosal in vaccines studies." The CDC claims, falsely, that> these five studies prove the safety and efficacy of Thimerosal.> > Hooker had adequate reasons to be suspicious of the CDC, and their> Thimerosal position. I will give you those details in another> article.> > Hooker is a scientist and knows how studies are supposed to be done.> When he examined those five CDC studies he found a number of serious> credibility issues with every one of them. So he began asking> questions, and it wasn't long before the CDC shut the door.> Illegally.> > The CDC simply did not want a real scientist asking them pointed> questions.> > Hooker wants the details, including all communications between the> parties involved in the studies' communications (letters, emails,> etc.). He has accumulated, over time, a massive amount of information> on the subject, and is insistent on getting, and examining, every last> piece of paper, email, whatever. The CDC is falling all over itself> trying to keep records away from Hooker.> > Hooker has a thirteen year old son with Autism. As usual, > Hooker's son was just fine prior to being vaccinated.> > I have seen what Hooker has already gathered and on the basis> of that alone I can easily reach the conclusion, as you would, that:> > The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - and Has> Covered It Up...> > What I am going to tell you about in this article is that the> anti-vaccination movement is absolutely right in their concerns about> the vaccine situation, and, in fact, many parts of the movement would> be far more upset if they knew what I NOW KNOW.> > The situation is far worse than you can imagine.> > So, let's begin...> > To read the entire article click on www.bolenreport.com or> http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/foiasuit1.htm> > Tim Bolen> > http://www.bolenreport.com> > http://www.quackpotwatch.org> > -->

[Guest guest]

I made the mistake of reading this late at night and started ranting about the writing style.

Rant, rant, rant.

Re: http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/foiasuit1.htm

He says, “... since the implementation of an increased mandatory childhood vaccination

schedule, major health problems have arisen within the population base

served by those vaccinations.  The point - the more vaccines there are the

more problems we have. "

Response: Doesn't scientific inquiry demand that we isolate variables? More health

problems have coincided with more vaccines.

But more health problems have coincided with more processed food, less

exercise, WWF WRESTLING, and more talk radio.

It's lazy, sloppy reasoning like this that gets us discounted and ignored

before we can present good arguments.

What's even more frustrating is that the connection between mercury and

autism is more than likely valid. Bad reasoning does not help the argument.

In another section, he writes:

" More, because of what happened next, those CDC employees went on to hire

one fake " study " after another countering the results of the original Draft

Report.  The author of the first of those studies, the so-called Danish

Study, is now being indicted for fraud in the US. "

Could we please get a reference? If it's worth saying, it's worth linking to

the source. Without it this sound like the National Enquirer. " My uncle Ernie

knows a guy who has a picture of a UFO. " (My uncle Ernie DOES know that guy but you get the point.)

--

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: Christian Mathisen <cmathdc@...>

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:39:08 -0700

Vern Saboe <vsaboe@...>, < >, <spbkchiro@...>

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Subject: Re: Re: FW: The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)

One place to begin is to acknowledge that vaccinations in and of themselves are good things. (Thank you, Ed Jenner)

However, the " non-working " contents of modern vaccinations: ethylene glycol, formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aluminum hydroxide, detergents, stabilizers, preservatives and heavy metal carriers can't be good for you. Those are the things that make me wonder about brain-tissue interactions causing harm.

Christian Mathisen, D.C., CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)

>

> The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has

> Covered It Up... (Part One)

>

> Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

>

> Tuesday, October 4th, 2011

>

> I've been working on this story for months. There are so many parts

> and paths to it, and the information I have gathered is so shocking,

> it is simply difficult to write.

>

> Maybe it is taking so long because I don't want to be the messenger.

>

> And, I am going to have to break this story up into several parts.

>

> Starting Point...

>

> A man named Hooker PhD has recently filed a lawsuit in Federal

> Court in Washington DC against the Center for Disease Control and

> Prevention (CDC) demanding that the CDC quit stalling on his Freedom

> of Information Act (FOIA) requests and provide him with the public

> information he is looking for. Hooker has been making specific FOIA

> requests to the CDC since March 11, 2005 on the subject of the CDC's

> five " Thimerosal in vaccines studies. " The CDC claims, falsely, that

> these five studies prove the safety and efficacy of Thimerosal.

>

> Hooker had adequate reasons to be suspicious of the CDC, and their

> Thimerosal position. I will give you those details in another

> article.

>

> Hooker is a scientist and knows how studies are supposed to be done.

> When he examined those five CDC studies he found a number of serious

> credibility issues with every one of them. So he began asking

> questions, and it wasn't long before the CDC shut the door.

> Illegally.

>

> The CDC simply did not want a real scientist asking them pointed

> questions.

>

> Hooker wants the details, including all communications between the

> parties involved in the studies' communications (letters, emails,

> etc.). He has accumulated, over time, a massive amount of information

> on the subject, and is insistent on getting, and examining, every last

> piece of paper, email, whatever. The CDC is falling all over itself

> trying to keep records away from Hooker.

>

> Hooker has a thirteen year old son with Autism. As usual,

> Hooker's son was just fine prior to being vaccinated.

>

> I have seen what Hooker has already gathered and on the basis

> of that alone I can easily reach the conclusion, as you would, that:

>

> The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - and Has

> Covered It Up...

>

> What I am going to tell you about in this article is that the

> anti-vaccination movement is absolutely right in their concerns about

> the vaccine situation, and, in fact, many parts of the movement would

> be far more upset if they knew what I NOW KNOW.

>

> The situation is far worse than you can imagine.

>

> So, let's begin...

>

> To read the entire article click on www.bolenreport.com or

> http://www.bolenreport.com/Geier/foiasuit1.htm

>

> Tim Bolen

>

> http://www.bolenreport.com

>

> http://www.quackpotwatch.org

>

> --

>