RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House Dist

[Guest guest]

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off,

I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who

said that one of my former patients had been transported to the

hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back

pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and

analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was

working. She said the patient finally told them to "call Dr. McGill

and have him come down here and fix me up." So she called my office

and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of

emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come

down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, "Uh,

sure."

Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would

probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done.

She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain

and spasms, they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told

me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take

an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them

available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and

grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to

the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I

got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and

when he tried to get up, his back "went out" and the muscle spasms

put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to

call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital,

whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he

could hardly breathe.

The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to

my old films. She said, "They look about the same." I told her I

agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a

retrolisthesis of L5. She asked me what could be done about it. I

said, "It needs to be adjusted." She said, "He can't be moved

without causing him a lot of pain and spasm." I said, "Well, he can

either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can

adjust him on." She said, "Well, we can't seem to do much for him

and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do." She

left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up

with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So

we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and

then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over

onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and

helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and

moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low

back. The M.D. asked, "Mind if I stick around and watch?" I told

her, "No problem." Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to

watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a "show and tell" session.

Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital

administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she

couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital

privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and

she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, "Give me a minute. I'll

see what I can do." She left the room and then returned a few

minutes later and told my patient, "If you cross your heart and

promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you." My

patient said, "I promise." The M.D. said, "OK" then turned to me and

told me to "go ahead." (I'm not sure what she told the administrator

but I truly admire her "balls" for bucking the system.)

Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5

(and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then

when he was at the bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that,

thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible "crack." The audience

gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I

think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient

used the best choice of words possible: "I think you got it, doc."

Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just

witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could

slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did

without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if

that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to

lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It

didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his

arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting

position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform

any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if he

could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his

arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a

little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other

side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could

ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm

and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him

to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get

him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes.

Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk

without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me,

"That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and

pain pills just in case? I told her, "If that would make you feel

better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine." She said

okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he

seemed okay, they would discharge him. I then turned to the patient

and told him to call my office when he got home and make an

appointment so I could check him.

UPDATE:  My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather

well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to "make

sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again." Needless to say,

it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in

periodically for maintenance care.

:-)

EPILOGUE:  I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant

any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now

aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment.

Hallelujah!

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.EvolvingDaily.com

On 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

 

I am totally with you Ann.

My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE 

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...>

wrote:

 

I love it Ann,  Vern can you work this one out for

us??  I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a

spirit of fairness.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05

PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...>

wrote:

 

Huma, What about one us getting

to weigh in on medical care? 

Wouldn’t that be fun?  Instead of

having an orthopedist examine the

patient, send them to a chiropractor

to get a fuller picture.  I am

rooting for that scenario.  Clinical

justification cuts both ways. 

Last week at the pool a woman cut

across the lanes to leave the water

and a guy blasting off the wall ran

into her thigh.  His neck hurt.  He

was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8

medics and evacuated across the

street to the hospital, fully

conscious with the only symptom

being stiffness.  Once at the

hospital, guess what happened?  He

had an MRI and who knows what else. 

The city’s insurance adjuster (the

pool is a city owned entity) called

the woman who caused the accident

and asked her to pay the $3500

bill.  By the way, the guy was

FINE.  I would say there was no

justification in any of that.  Barry

and I were swimming at the time and

observed the whole charade.  Ann

 

From: Huma Pierce

Sent: Tuesday,

October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: [From

OregonDCs] Re: Fired up

Chiropractic Patient for House

District 36

 

 

Last point of

clarification. I have no problem

with apples IME-ing apples; it's

oranges that try to judge apples

that bother me.

Dr. Huma Pierce

"My opinions are mine"

Chiropractor

___

--

Schneider DC

PDX

[Guest guest]

Now that's a "duty to report" situation. Great job friend. My best,Dr. Huma PierceDC fCBP OBCE Chiropractic First LLCWww.c1pdx.comWww.thebicyclechiropractor.comOn Oct 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Lyndon McGill <twogems@...> wrote:

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off,

I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who

said that one of my former patients had been transported to the

hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back

pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and

analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was

working. She said the patient finally told them to "call Dr. McGill

and have him come down here and fix me up." So she called my office

and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of

emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come

down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, "Uh,

sure."

Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would

probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done.

She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain

and spasms, they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told

me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take

an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them

available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and

grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to

the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I

got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and

when he tried to get up, his back "went out" and the muscle spasms

put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to

call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital,

whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he

could hardly breathe.

The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to

my old films. She said, "They look about the same." I told her I

agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a

retrolisthesis of L5. She asked me what could be done about it. I

said, "It needs to be adjusted." She said, "He can't be moved

without causing him a lot of pain and spasm." I said, "Well, he can

either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can

adjust him on." She said, "Well, we can't seem to do much for him

and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do." She

left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up

with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So

we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and

then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over

onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and

helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and

moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low

back. The M.D. asked, "Mind if I stick around and watch?" I told

her, "No problem." Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to

watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a "show and tell" session.

Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital

administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she

couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital

privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and

she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, "Give me a minute. I'll

see what I can do." She left the room and then returned a few

minutes later and told my patient, "If you cross your heart and

promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you." My

patient said, "I promise." The M.D. said, "OK" then turned to me and

told me to "go ahead." (I'm not sure what she told the administrator

but I truly admire her "balls" for bucking the system.)

Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5

(and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then

when he was at the bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that,

thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible "crack." The audience

gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I

think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient

used the best choice of words possible: "I think you got it, doc."

Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just

witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could

slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did

without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if

that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to

lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It

didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his

arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting

position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform

any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if he

could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his

arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a

little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other

side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could

ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm

and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him

to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get

him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes.

Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk

without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me,

"That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and

pain pills just in case? I told her, "If that would make you feel

better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine." She said

okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he

seemed okay, they would discharge him. I then turned to the patient

and told him to call my office when he got home and make an

appointment so I could check him.

UPDATE: My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather

well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to "make

sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again." Needless to say,

it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in

periodically for maintenance care.

:-)

EPILOGUE: I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant

any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now

aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment.

Hallelujah!

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.EvolvingDaily.com

On 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

I am totally with you Ann.

My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...>

wrote:

I love it Ann, Vern can you work this one out for

us?? I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a

spirit of fairness.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05

PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...>

wrote:

Huma, What about one us getting

to weigh in on medical care?

Wouldn’t that be fun? Instead of

having an orthopedist examine the

patient, send them to a chiropractor

to get a fuller picture. I am

rooting for that scenario. Clinical

justification cuts both ways.

Last week at the pool a woman cut

across the lanes to leave the water

and a guy blasting off the wall ran

into her thigh. His neck hurt. He

was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8

medics and evacuated across the

street to the hospital, fully

conscious with the only symptom

being stiffness. Once at the

hospital, guess what happened? He

had an MRI and who knows what else.

The city’s insurance adjuster (the

pool is a city owned entity) called

the woman who caused the accident

and asked her to pay the $3500

bill. By the way, the guy was

FINE. I would say there was no

justification in any of that. Barry

and I were swimming at the time and

observed the whole charade. Ann

From: Huma Pierce

Sent: Tuesday,

October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: [From

OregonDCs] Re: Fired up

Chiropractic Patient for House

District 36

Last point of

clarification. I have no problem

with apples IME-ing apples; it's

oranges that try to judge apples

that bother me.

Dr. Huma Pierce

"My opinions are mine"

Chiropractor

___

--

Schneider DC

PDX

[Guest guest]

Best story I've heard in a long time.

Funny thing is, I would bet $1000 that every doc on this listserve has had a similar experience 100 times.

BTW, I hope you followed up with some flowers delivered to the orthopedist's office. LOL

Thanks for the share, Lyndon. You made us all proud!

Ann DC

From: "Lyndon McGill" <twogems@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:20:13 PMSubject: Re: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House Dist

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off, I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who said that one of my former patients had been transported to the hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was working. She said the patient finally told them to "call Dr. McGill and have him come down here and fix me up." So she called my office and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, "Uh, sure." Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done. She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain and spasms, they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and when he tried to get up, his back "went out" and the muscle spasms put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital, whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he could hardly breathe.The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to my old films. She said, "They look about the same." I told her I agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a retrolisthesis of L5. She asked me what could be done about it. I said, "It needs to be adjusted." She said, "He can't be moved without causing him a lot of pain and spasm." I said, "Well, he can either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can adjust him on." She said, "Well, we can't seem to do much for him and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do." She left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low back. The M.D. asked, "Mind if I stick around and watch?" I told her, "No problem." Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a "show and tell" session. Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, "Give me a minute. I'll see what I can do." She left the room and then returned a few minutes later and told my patient, "If you cross your heart and promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you." My patient said, "I promise." The M.D. said, "OK" then turned to me and told me to "go ahead." (I'm not sure what she told the administrator but I truly admire her "balls" for bucking the system.)Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5 (and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then when he was at the bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that, thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible "crack." The audience gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient used the best choice of words possible: "I think you got it, doc." Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if he could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes. Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me, "That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and pain pills just in case? I told her, "If that would make you feel better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine." She said okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he seemed okay, they would discharge him. I then turned to the patient and told him to call my office when he got home and make an appointment so I could check him.UPDATE: My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to "make sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again." Needless to say, it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in periodically for maintenance care. :-) EPILOGUE: I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment. Hallelujah!Lyndon McGill, D.C.Salem, Oregonwww.SalemSpineClinic.comwww.EvolvingDaily.comOn 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

I am totally with you Ann.My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...> wrote:

I love it Ann, Vern can you work this one out for us?? I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a spirit of fairness. Schneider DCPDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...> wrote:

Huma, What about one us getting to weigh in on medical care? Wouldn’t that be fun? Instead of having an orthopedist examine the patient, send them to a chiropractor to get a fuller picture. I am rooting for that scenario. Clinical justification cuts both ways.

Last week at the pool a woman cut across the lanes to leave the water and a guy blasting off the wall ran into her thigh. His neck hurt. He was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8 medics and evacuated across the street to the hospital, fully conscious with the only symptom being stiffness. Once at the hospital, guess what happened? He had an MRI and who knows what else. The city’s insurance adjuster (the pool is a city owned entity) called the woman who caused the accident and asked her to pay the $3500 bill. By the way, the guy was FINE. I would say there was no justification in any of that. Barry and I were swimming at the time and observed the whole charade. Ann

From: Huma Pierce

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce"My opinions are mine"Chiropractor

___-- Schneider DC PDX

[Guest guest]

Hello Lyndon

Way to go!!! Amazing story I am so proud of your courage to pull this off. I think you should apply for hospital privileges and have the Orthopedist vouch for you. At the very least they should happily put you on staff in case something like this happens with another patient there and then they wont be concerned about their malpractice situation.

Reminded me of 's Ladder only you didnt rip him out of the hospital. They should be singing your praises as well.

Happy Healing,

Elliott Mantell DC

From: Hotmail <humatrouble@...>Lyndon McGill <twogems@...>Cc: " " < >Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:32 PMSubject: Re: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House Dist

Now that's a "duty to report" situation. Great job friend. My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Lyndon McGill <twogems@...> wrote:

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off, I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who said that one of my former patients had been transported to the hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was working. She said the patient finally told them to "call Dr. McGill and have him come down here and fix me up." So she called my office and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, "Uh, sure." Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done. She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain and spasms,

they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and when he tried to get up, his back "went out" and the muscle spasms put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital, whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he could hardly breathe.The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to my old films. She said, "They look about the same." I told her I agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a retrolisthesis of L5. She asked

me what could be done about it. I said, "It needs to be adjusted." She said, "He can't be moved without causing him a lot of pain and spasm." I said, "Well, he can either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can adjust him on." She said, "Well, we can't seem to do much for him and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do." She left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low back. The M.D. asked, "Mind if I stick around and watch?" I told her, "No problem." Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to

watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a "show and tell" session. Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, "Give me a minute. I'll see what I can do." She left the room and then returned a few minutes later and told my patient, "If you cross your heart and promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you." My patient said, "I promise." The M.D. said, "OK" then turned to me and told me to "go ahead." (I'm not sure what she told the administrator but I truly admire her "balls" for bucking the system.)Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5 (and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then when he was at the

bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that, thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible "crack." The audience gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient used the best choice of words possible: "I think you got it, doc." Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if

he could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes. Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me, "That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and pain pills just in case? I told her, "If that would make you feel better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine." She said okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he seemed okay, they would

discharge him. I then turned to the patient and told him to call my office when he got home and make an appointment so I could check him.UPDATE: My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to "make sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again." Needless to say, it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in periodically for maintenance care. :-) EPILOGUE: I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment. Hallelujah!Lyndon McGill, D.C.Salem, Oregonwww.SalemSpineClinic.comwww.EvolvingDaily.comOn 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

I am totally with you Ann.My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...> wrote:

I love it Ann, Vern can you work this one out for us?? I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a spirit of fairness. Schneider DCPDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...> wrote:

Huma, What about one us getting to weigh in on medical care? Wouldn’t that be fun? Instead of having an orthopedist examine the patient, send them to a chiropractor to get a fuller picture. I am rooting for that scenario. Clinical justification cuts both ways.

Last week at the pool a woman cut across the lanes to leave the water and a guy blasting off the wall ran into her thigh. His neck hurt. He was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8 medics and evacuated across the street to the hospital, fully conscious with the only symptom being stiffness. Once at the hospital, guess what happened? He had an MRI and who knows what else. The city’s insurance adjuster (the pool is a city owned entity) called the woman who caused the accident and asked her to pay the $3500 bill. By the way, the guy was FINE. I would say there was no justification in any of that. Barry and I were swimming at the time and observed the whole charade. Ann

From: Huma Pierce

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce"My opinions are mine"Chiropractor

___-- Schneider DC PDX

[Guest guest]

Beautiful story-I too was thinking of 's Ladder and the similarity in many ways.  Congrats for pulling it off Lyndon.  Long live Chiropractic.  As Ann noted , nearly every doc on this list who has practiced for any length of time could probably tell similar wondrous tales of chiropractic miracles performed by their own hands.  This is the blessing of our profession-we are so close to these little miracles.  We don't need knives or fancy drugs-just our hands in many cases.  We work with our hands and then-valaa!!-miracles happen before our eyes.   I never grow tired of seeing these miracles or hearing of them.

Schneider DCPDXOn Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Dr. Elliott Mantell <commongroundchiropractic@...> wrote:

 

Hello Lyndon

  Way to go!!! Amazing story I am so proud of your courage to pull this off.  I think you should apply for hospital privileges and have the Orthopedist vouch for you.  At the very least they should happily put you on staff in case something like this happens with another patient there and then they wont be concerned about their malpractice situation.

   Reminded me of 's Ladder only you didnt rip him out of the hospital.  They should be singing your praises as well.

Happy Healing,

Elliott Mantell DC

From: Hotmail <humatrouble@...>

Lyndon McGill <twogems@...>Cc: " " < >

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:32 PMSubject: Re: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House Dist

 

Now that's a " duty to report " situation. Great job friend. My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE 

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Lyndon McGill <twogems@...> wrote:

 

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off, I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who said that one of my former patients had been transported to the hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was working. She said the patient finally told them to " call Dr. McGill and have him come down here and fix me up. " So she called my office and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, " Uh, sure. "

Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done. She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain and spasms,

they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and when he tried to get up, his back " went out " and the muscle spasms put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital, whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he could hardly breathe.

The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to my old films. She said, " They look about the same. " I told her I agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a retrolisthesis of L5. She asked

me what could be done about it. I said, " It needs to be adjusted. " She said, " He can't be moved without causing him a lot of pain and spasm. " I said, " Well, he can either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can adjust him on. " She said, " Well, we can't seem to do much for him and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do. " She left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low back. The M.D. asked, " Mind if I stick around and watch? " I told her, " No problem. " Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to

watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a " show and tell " session. Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, " Give me a minute. I'll see what I can do. " She left the room and then returned a few minutes later and told my patient, " If you cross your heart and promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you. " My patient said, " I promise. " The M.D. said, " OK " then turned to me and told me to " go ahead. " (I'm not sure what she told the administrator but I truly admire her " balls " for bucking the system.)

Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5 (and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then when he was at the

bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that, thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible " crack. " The audience gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient used the best choice of words possible: " I think you got it, doc. " Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if

he could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes. Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me, " That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and pain pills just in case? I told her, " If that would make you feel better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine. " She said okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he seemed okay, they would

discharge him. I then turned to the patient and told him to call my office when he got home and make an appointment so I could check him.UPDATE:  My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to " make sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again. " Needless to say, it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in periodically for maintenance care. :-)

EPILOGUE:  I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment. Hallelujah!

Lyndon McGill, D.C.Salem, Oregonwww.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.EvolvingDaily.comOn 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

 

I am totally with you Ann.My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE 

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...> wrote:

 

I love it Ann,  Vern can you work this one out for us??  I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a spirit of fairness. Schneider DCPDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...> wrote:

 

Huma, What about one us getting to weigh in on medical care?  Wouldn’t that be fun?  Instead of having an orthopedist examine the patient, send them to a chiropractor to get a fuller picture.  I am rooting for that scenario.  Clinical justification cuts both ways. 

Last week at the pool a woman cut across the lanes to leave the water and a guy blasting off the wall ran into her thigh.  His neck hurt.  He was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8 medics and evacuated across the street to the hospital, fully conscious with the only symptom being stiffness.  Once at the hospital, guess what happened?  He had an MRI and who knows what else.  The city’s insurance adjuster (the pool is a city owned entity) called the woman who caused the accident and asked her to pay the $3500 bill.  By the way, the guy was FINE.  I would say there was no justification in any of that.  Barry and I were swimming at the time and observed the whole charade.  Ann

 

From: Huma Pierce

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

 

 

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce " My opinions are mine " Chiropractor

___-- Schneider DC PDX

-- Schneider DC PDX

[Guest guest]



Way, way cool Lyndon....we are approaching that 100th monkey and cultural authority, critical mass is just around the corner...well done dear colleague! Wonderful story....Vern Saboe

RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce"My opinions are mine"Chiropractor

___-- Schneider DC PDX

[Guest guest]

Lyndon, you couldn't have written a better script! If you need an extra in the movie version, can I play the patient? I kinda look like Tim Robbins.....Rod , DCTillamook RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce"My opinions are mine"Chiropractor

___-- Schneider DC PDX

-- Schneider DC PDX

Rodney G. , DC

Tillamook Natural Health Center

309 Laurel Ave.

Tillamook, OR 97141

503-842-6532

[Guest guest]

What a great story. Thank you for sharing. Shane McLaughlin, DCSent from my iPadOn Oct 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Lyndon McGill <twogems@...> wrote:

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off,

I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who

said that one of my former patients had been transported to the

hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back

pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and

analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was

working. She said the patient finally told them to "call Dr. McGill

and have him come down here and fix me up." So she called my office

and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of

emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come

down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, "Uh,

sure."

Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would

probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done.

She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain

and spasms, they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told

me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take

an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them

available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and

grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to

the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I

got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and

when he tried to get up, his back "went out" and the muscle spasms

put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to

call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital,

whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he

could hardly breathe.

The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to

my old films. She said, "They look about the same." I told her I

agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a

retrolisthesis of L5. She asked me what could be done about it. I

said, "It needs to be adjusted." She said, "He can't be moved

without causing him a lot of pain and spasm." I said, "Well, he can

either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can

adjust him on." She said, "Well, we can't seem to do much for him

and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do." She

left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up

with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So

we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and

then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over

onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and

helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and

moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low

back. The M.D. asked, "Mind if I stick around and watch?" I told

her, "No problem." Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to

watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a "show and tell" session.

Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital

administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she

couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital

privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and

she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, "Give me a minute. I'll

see what I can do." She left the room and then returned a few

minutes later and told my patient, "If you cross your heart and

promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you." My

patient said, "I promise." The M.D. said, "OK" then turned to me and

told me to "go ahead." (I'm not sure what she told the administrator

but I truly admire her "balls" for bucking the system.)

Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5

(and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then

when he was at the bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that,

thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible "crack." The audience

gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I

think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient

used the best choice of words possible: "I think you got it, doc."

Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just

witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could

slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did

without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if

that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to

lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It

didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his

arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting

position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform

any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if he

could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his

arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a

little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other

side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could

ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm

and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him

to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get

him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes.

Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk

without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me,

"That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and

pain pills just in case? I told her, "If that would make you feel

better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine." She said

okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he

seemed okay, they would discharge him. I then turned to the patient

and told him to call my office when he got home and make an

appointment so I could check him.

UPDATE: My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather

well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to "make

sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again." Needless to say,

it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in

periodically for maintenance care.

:-)

EPILOGUE: I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant

any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now

aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment.

Hallelujah!

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.EvolvingDaily.com

On 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

I am totally with you Ann.

My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...>

wrote:

I love it Ann, Vern can you work this one out for

us?? I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a

spirit of fairness.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05

PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...>

wrote:

Huma, What about one us getting

to weigh in on medical care?

Wouldn’t that be fun? Instead of

having an orthopedist examine the

patient, send them to a chiropractor

to get a fuller picture. I am

rooting for that scenario. Clinical

justification cuts both ways.

Last week at the pool a woman cut

across the lanes to leave the water

and a guy blasting off the wall ran

into her thigh. His neck hurt. He

was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8

medics and evacuated across the

street to the hospital, fully

conscious with the only symptom

being stiffness. Once at the

hospital, guess what happened? He

had an MRI and who knows what else.

The city’s insurance adjuster (the

pool is a city owned entity) called

the woman who caused the accident

and asked her to pay the $3500

bill. By the way, the guy was

FINE. I would say there was no

justification in any of that. Barry

and I were swimming at the time and

observed the whole charade. Ann

From: Huma Pierce

Sent: Tuesday,

October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: [From

OregonDCs] Re: Fired up

Chiropractic Patient for House

District 36

Last point of

clarification. I have no problem

with apples IME-ing apples; it's

oranges that try to judge apples

that bother me.

Dr. Huma Pierce

"My opinions are mine"

Chiropractor

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NICE job, Lyndon! ......taking advantage of opportunity! Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com From: twogems@...Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:20:13 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House Dist

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off,

I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who

said that one of my former patients had been transported to the

hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back

pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and

analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was

working. She said the patient finally told them to "call Dr. McGill

and have him come down here and fix me up." So she called my office

and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of

emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come

down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, "Uh,

sure."

Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would

probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done.

She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain

and spasms, they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told

me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take

an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them

available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and

grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to

the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I

got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and

when he tried to get up, his back "went out" and the muscle spasms

put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to

call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital,

whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he

could hardly breathe.

The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to

my old films. She said, "They look about the same." I told her I

agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a

retrolisthesis of L5. She asked me what could be done about it. I

said, "It needs to be adjusted." She said, "He can't be moved

without causing him a lot of pain and spasm." I said, "Well, he can

either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can

adjust him on." She said, "Well, we can't seem to do much for him

and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do." She

left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up

with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So

we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and

then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over

onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and

helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and

moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low

back. The M.D. asked, "Mind if I stick around and watch?" I told

her, "No problem." Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to

watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a "show and tell" session.

Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital

administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she

couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital

privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and

she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, "Give me a minute. I'll

see what I can do." She left the room and then returned a few

minutes later and told my patient, "If you cross your heart and

promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you." My

patient said, "I promise." The M.D. said, "OK" then turned to me and

told me to "go ahead." (I'm not sure what she told the administrator

but I truly admire her "balls" for bucking the system.)

Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5

(and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then

when he was at the bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that,

thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible "crack." The audience

gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I

think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient

used the best choice of words possible: "I think you got it, doc."

Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just

witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could

slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did

without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if

that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to

lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It

didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his

arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting

position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform

any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if he

could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his

arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a

little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other

side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could

ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm

and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him

to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get

him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes.

Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk

without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me,

"That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and

pain pills just in case? I told her, "If that would make you feel

better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine." She said

okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he

seemed okay, they would discharge him. I then turned to the patient

and told him to call my office when he got home and make an

appointment so I could check him.

UPDATE: My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather

well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to "make

sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again." Needless to say,

it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in

periodically for maintenance care.

:-)

EPILOGUE: I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant

any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now

aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment.

Hallelujah!

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.EvolvingDaily.com

On 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

I am totally with you Ann.

My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...>

wrote:

I love it Ann, Vern can you work this one out for

us?? I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a

spirit of fairness.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05

PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...>

wrote:

Huma, What about one us getting

to weigh in on medical care?

Wouldn’t that be fun? Instead of

having an orthopedist examine the

patient, send them to a chiropractor

to get a fuller picture. I am

rooting for that scenario. Clinical

justification cuts both ways.

Last week at the pool a woman cut

across the lanes to leave the water

and a guy blasting off the wall ran

into her thigh. His neck hurt. He

was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8

medics and evacuated across the

street to the hospital, fully

conscious with the only symptom

being stiffness. Once at the

hospital, guess what happened? He

had an MRI and who knows what else.

The city’s insurance adjuster (the

pool is a city owned entity) called

the woman who caused the accident

and asked her to pay the $3500

bill. By the way, the guy was

FINE. I would say there was no

justification in any of that. Barry

and I were swimming at the time and

observed the whole charade. Ann

From: Huma Pierce

Sent: Tuesday,

October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: [From

OregonDCs] Re: Fired up

Chiropractic Patient for House

District 36

Last point of

clarification. I have no problem

with apples IME-ing apples; it's

oranges that try to judge apples

that bother me.

Dr. Huma Pierce

"My opinions are mine"

Chiropractor

___

--

Schneider DC

PDX

[Guest guest]



Dr. McGill,

Great Job. I'm surprised the Hospital sirens didn't go off with a "Chiropractor in the Hospital Alert," but maybe that's why the administrator came by. This is a truly inspirational story and to be able to perform our work in the medical bastion! Fantastic!

Christian Mathisen, D.C.

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce"My opinions are mine"Chiropractor

___-- Schneider DC PDX

[Guest guest]



Dr. McGill,

Great Job. I'm surprised the Hospital sirens didn't go off with a "Chiropractor in the Hospital Alert," but maybe that's why the administrator came by. This is a truly inspirational story and to be able to perform our work in the medical bastion! Fantastic!

Christian Mathisen, D.C.

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce"My opinions are mine"Chiropractor

___-- Schneider DC PDX

[Guest guest]

Wow, at Salem Hospital... AWESOME!! Thanks for sharing this great story. Great work Lyndon!Jamey Dyson, DCWest SalemOn Oct 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off,

I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who

said that one of my former patients had been transported to the

hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back

pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and

analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was

working. She said the patient finally told them to "call Dr. McGill

and have him come down here and fix me up." So she called my office

and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of

emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come

down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, "Uh,

sure."

Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would

probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done.

She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain

and spasms, they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told

me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take

an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them

available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and

grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to

the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I

got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and

when he tried to get up, his back "went out" and the muscle spasms

put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to

call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital,

whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he

could hardly breathe.

The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to

my old films. She said, "They look about the same." I told her I

agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a

retrolisthesis of L5. She asked me what could be done about it. I

said, "It needs to be adjusted." She said, "He can't be moved

without causing him a lot of pain and spasm." I said, "Well, he can

either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can

adjust him on." She said, "Well, we can't seem to do much for him

and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do." She

left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up

with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So

we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and

then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over

onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and

helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and

moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low

back. The M.D. asked, "Mind if I stick around and watch?" I told

her, "No problem." Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to

watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a "show and tell" session.

Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital

administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she

couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital

privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and

she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, "Give me a minute. I'll

see what I can do." She left the room and then returned a few

minutes later and told my patient, "If you cross your heart and

promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you." My

patient said, "I promise." The M.D. said, "OK" then turned to me and

told me to "go ahead." (I'm not sure what she told the administrator

but I truly admire her "balls" for bucking the system.)

Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5

(and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then

when he was at the bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that,

thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible "crack." The audience

gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I

think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient

used the best choice of words possible: "I think you got it, doc."

Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just

witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could

slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did

without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if

that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to

lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It

didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his

arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting

position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform

any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if he

could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his

arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a

little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other

side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could

ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm

and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him

to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get

him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes.

Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk

without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me,

"That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and

pain pills just in case? I told her, "If that would make you feel

better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine." She said

okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he

seemed okay, they would discharge him. I then turned to the patient

and told him to call my office when he got home and make an

appointment so I could check him.

UPDATE: My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather

well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to "make

sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again." Needless to say,

it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in

periodically for maintenance care.

:-)

EPILOGUE: I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant

any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now

aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment.

Hallelujah!

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.EvolvingDaily.com

On 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

I am totally with you Ann.

My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...>

wrote:

I love it Ann, Vern can you work this one out for

us?? I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a

spirit of fairness.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05

PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...>

wrote:

Huma, What about one us getting

to weigh in on medical care?

Wouldn’t that be fun? Instead of

having an orthopedist examine the

patient, send them to a chiropractor

to get a fuller picture. I am

rooting for that scenario. Clinical

justification cuts both ways.

Last week at the pool a woman cut

across the lanes to leave the water

and a guy blasting off the wall ran

into her thigh. His neck hurt. He

was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8

medics and evacuated across the

street to the hospital, fully

conscious with the only symptom

being stiffness. Once at the

hospital, guess what happened? He

had an MRI and who knows what else.

The city’s insurance adjuster (the

pool is a city owned entity) called

the woman who caused the accident

and asked her to pay the $3500

bill. By the way, the guy was

FINE. I would say there was no

justification in any of that. Barry

and I were swimming at the time and

observed the whole charade. Ann

From: Huma Pierce

Sent: Tuesday,

October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: [From

OregonDCs] Re: Fired up

Chiropractic Patient for House

District 36

Last point of

clarification. I have no problem

with apples IME-ing apples; it's

oranges that try to judge apples

that bother me.

Dr. Huma Pierce

"My opinions are mine"

Chiropractor

___

--

Schneider DC

PDX

[Guest guest]

Of course the bummer is that some patients take a few treatments to respond and even worsen after adjustments. I typically have them when it’s a really important patient like the president of the Chamber of Commerce or a movie star. You tell everyone 16 times that this might happen and they tell you Uncle Joe had the exact same thing and Dr. Bob the miracle worker of Duck Butt town clinic adjusted him once in 1962 and he was immediately pain free for 30 years.

And we forget to mention that Mr. Pendulous Abdomen, 4 beers with dinner, sedentary lifestyle patient might benefit from some lifestyle changes along with adjusting and they say, mind your specialty which is cracking backs like Dr. the 130 patients per day genius used to do back in New Orleans.

Etc.

Great story Lyndon.

Chiropractic is a freaking’ miracle.

Did the patient happen to have a flashback to Viet Nam when you adjusted him?

--

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: Lyndon McGill <twogems@...>

Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:20:13 -0700

< >

Subject: Re: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House Dist

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off, I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who said that one of my former patients had been transported to the hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was working. She said the patient finally told them to " call Dr. McGill and have him come down here and fix me up. " So she called my office and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, " Uh, sure. "

Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done. She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain and spasms, they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and when he tried to get up, his back " went out " and the muscle spasms put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital, whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he could hardly breathe.

The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to my old films. She said, " They look about the same. " I told her I agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a retrolisthesis of L5. She asked me what could be done about it. I said, " It needs to be adjusted. " She said, " He can't be moved without causing him a lot of pain and spasm. " I said, " Well, he can either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can adjust him on. " She said, " Well, we can't seem to do much for him and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do. " She left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low back. The M.D. asked, " Mind if I stick around and watch? " I told her, " No problem. " Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a " show and tell " session.

Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, " Give me a minute. I'll see what I can do. " She left the room and then returned a few minutes later and told my patient, " If you cross your heart and promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you. " My patient said, " I promise. " The M.D. said, " OK " then turned to me and told me to " go ahead. " (I'm not sure what she told the administrator but I truly admire her " balls " for bucking the system.)

Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5 (and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then when he was at the bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that, thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible " crack. " The audience gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient used the best choice of words possible: " I think you got it, doc. " Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if he could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes. Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me, " That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and pain pills just in case? I told her, " If that would make you feel better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine. " She said okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he seemed okay, they would discharge him. I then turned to the patient and told him to call my office when he got home and make an appointment so I could check him.

UPDATE:  My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to " make sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again. " Needless to say, it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in periodically for maintenance care. :-)

EPILOGUE:  I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment. Hallelujah!

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com <http://www.SalemSpineClinic.com>

www.EvolvingDaily.com <http://www.EvolvingDaily.com>

On 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

 

I am totally with you Ann.

My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE 

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com <http://Www.c1pdx.com>

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com <http://Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com>

On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider <portlandchiro1@...> wrote:

 

I love it Ann,  Vern can you work this one out for us??  I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a spirit of fairness.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Ann Goldeen <anngoldeen@...> wrote:

 

Huma, What about one us getting to weigh in on medical care?  Wouldn’t that be fun?  Instead of having an orthopedist examine the patient, send them to a chiropractor to get a fuller picture.  I am rooting for that scenario.  Clinical justification cuts both ways. 

Last week at the pool a woman cut across the lanes to leave the water and a guy blasting off the wall ran into her thigh.  His neck hurt.  He was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8 medics and evacuated across the street to the hospital, fully conscious with the only symptom being stiffness.  Once at the hospital, guess what happened?  He had an MRI and who knows what else.  The city’s insurance adjuster (the pool is a city owned entity) called the woman who caused the accident and asked her to pay the $3500 bill.  By the way, the guy was FINE.  I would say there was no justification in any of that.  Barry and I were swimming at the time and observed the whole charade.  Ann

 

From: Huma Pierce <mailto:humatrouble@...>

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

 

 

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me.

Dr. Huma Pierce

" My opinions are mine "

Chiropractor

___

--

Schneider DC

PDX

[Guest guest]

You guys do realize that some of the doctors here did not see the ’s Ladder chiropractic scene because they had to go to bed because it was a school night and 4th grade is no picnic!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27s_Ladder_%28film%29

--

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: Schneider <portlandchiro1@...>

Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:08:29 -0700

" Dr. Elliott Mantell " <commongroundchiropractic@...>

Cc: Hotmail <humatrouble@...>, Lyndon McGill <twogems@...>, " " < >

Subject: Re: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House Dist

Beautiful story-I too was thinking of 's Ladder and the similarity in many ways.  Congrats for pulling it off Lyndon.  Long live Chiropractic.  As Ann noted , nearly every doc on this list who has practiced for any length of time could probably tell similar wondrous tales of chiropractic miracles performed by their own hands.  This is the blessing of our profession-we are so close to these little miracles.  We don't need knives or fancy drugs-just our hands in many cases.  We work with our hands and then-valaa!!-miracles happen before our eyes.   I never grow tired of seeing these miracles or hearing of them.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Dr. Elliott Mantell <commongroundchiropractic@...> wrote:

 

Hello Lyndon

  Way to go!!! Amazing story I am so proud of your courage to pull this off.  I think you should apply for hospital privileges and have the Orthopedist vouch for you.  At the very least they should happily put you on staff in case something like this happens with another patient there and then they wont be concerned about their malpractice situation.

   Reminded me of 's Ladder only you didnt rip him out of the hospital.  They should be singing your praises as well.

Happy Healing,

Elliott Mantell DC

From: Hotmail <humatrouble@...>

Lyndon McGill <twogems@...>

Cc: " " < >

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House Dist

 

Now that's a " duty to report " situation. Great job friend. 

My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE 

Chiropractic First LLC

Www.c1pdx.com <http://www.c1pdx.com/>

Www.thebicyclechiropractor.com <http://www.thebicyclechiropractor.com/>

On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Lyndon McGill <twogems@...> wrote:

 

This may happen sooner than we think. Last Thursday, on my day off, I got a call from a female orthopedic surgeon at Salem Hospital who said that one of my former patients had been transported to the hospital by ambulance a couple of days before due to severe back pain and muscle spasms. She said they had tried muscle relaxants and analgesics, both oral and IV, and even morphine, but nothing was working. She said the patient finally told them to " call Dr. McGill and have him come down here and fix me up. " So she called my office and got our voice mail, which gives my cell phone number in cases of emergencies, and was calling me to see if I would be willing to come down to the hospital and try to do something for him. I said, " Uh, sure. "

Having not seen the patient since 1996, I told her that I would probably want to see some x-rays, MRIs or whatever they had done. She said that since he wasn't having any leg pain, just back pain and spasms, they hadn't performed any imaging yet. But then she told me she would order whatever I needed. So I told her to at least take an A-P and lateral lumbar. She said no problem and would have them available by the time I got there. So I whipped by my office and grabbed the patient's old x-rays for comparison and then headed to the hospital. When I got to my patient's room, he was alone, so I got his history and learned that he was just sitting on the pot and when he tried to get up, his back " went out " and the muscle spasms put him to the floor. When he couldn't get up, he told his wife to call the ambulance. He said that even there in the hospital, whenever he tried to move, the pain and spasms were so severe he could hardly breathe.

The M.D. finally showed up with the x-rays and we compared them to my old films. She said, " They look about the same. " I told her I agreed and that it looked like the same old problem: a retrolisthesis of L5. She asked me what could be done about it. I said, " It needs to be adjusted. " She said, " He can't be moved without causing him a lot of pain and spasm. " I said, " Well, he can either stay here like he is or we can bring in a table that I can adjust him on. " She said, " Well, we can't seem to do much for him and he's wanting to get out of here, so I'll see what I can do. " She left and about 15 minutes later a couple of CNAs and a PT showed up with a PT table equipped with an electric lift and a face slot. So we adjusted the height of the PT table to match the hospital bed and then grabbed the sheet under my patient and gently slid him over onto the PT table. The M.D. showed up again about that time and helped us turn the patient prone accompanied by some groaning and moaning. Once we got him prone and stable, I began palpating his low back. The M.D. asked, " Mind if I stick around and watch? " I told her, " No problem. " Then the other CNAs and PT said they'd like to watch, too. So it turned out to be quite a " show and tell " session.

Before I could administer an adjustment, however, a female hospital administrator entered the room and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't allow me to treat the patient since I didn't have hospital privileges. She said the liability would be too great. I said OK and she left the room. The M.D. whispered to me, " Give me a minute. I'll see what I can do. " She left the room and then returned a few minutes later and told my patient, " If you cross your heart and promise not to sue us, Dr. McGill can go ahead and treat you. " My patient said, " I promise. " The M.D. said, " OK " then turned to me and told me to " go ahead. " (I'm not sure what she told the administrator but I truly admire her " balls " for bucking the system.)

Anyway, I made a bilateral index finger contact over the TPs of L5 (and probably L4), had the patient take a few deep breaths and then when he was at the bottom of expiration, gave a HVLA thrust that, thank God, on queue, resulted in a audible " crack. " The audience gasped and the patient groaned a bit, then the room fell silent. I think they were wondering if I had killed him. And then the patient used the best choice of words possible: " I think you got it, doc. " Everyone looked at each other in amazement as if they had just witnessed a miracle. I then told the patient to see if he could slowly and carefully roll himself onto his back, which he did without groaning. I then asked him to bend his knees up and see if that caused any pain. He did so without pain. I then asked him to lift his buttocks off the table and see if that caused any pain. It didn't. So I told him to try to roll onto his side and, using his arms, sit up on the table. He did so and once he was in the sitting position, smiled at everyone. (I couldn't have paid him to perform any better! It was truly amazing.) Then I told him to see if he could stand up without pain. Apprehensively, he pushed off with his arms and eased up into a standing position. He said he could feel a little pain but no spasms. So I told the M.D. to get on his other side and we'd take him for a little walk just to make sure he could ambulate without going into spasm again. So she took his other arm and we walked him down the hall and back. No spasms, so I told him to ease back into his hospital bed on his side and had the CNAs get him some ice with instructions to ice his back for 10-15 minutes. Then, after the icing, if he could get up again on his own and walk without spasm, he could probably be discharged. The M.D. asked me, " That's it? Should we send him home with some muscle relaxants and pain pills just in case? I told her, " If that would make you feel better, go ahead. But I think the ice will do just fine. " She said okay and that they would monitor him for an hour or two and if he seemed okay, they would discharge him. I then turned to the patient and told him to call my office when he got home and make an appointment so I could check him.

UPDATE:  My patient came in yesterday and was still doing rather well but wanted me to go ahead and check him again just to " make sure he didn't go through that kind of hell again. " Needless to say, it didn't take much to convince him that he needed to come in periodically for maintenance care. :-)

EPILOGUE:  I may not be called back to the hospital as a consultant any time soon. However, I think a few more medical personnel are now aware of the life-changing powers of a chiropractic adjustment. Hallelujah!

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

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On 10/25/2011 7:19 PM, Hotmail wrote:

 

I am totally with you Ann.

My best,

Dr. Huma Pierce

DC fCBP OBCE 

Chiropractic First LLC

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On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Schneider < <mailto:portlandchiro1@...> portlandchiro1@...> wrote:

 

I love it Ann,  Vern can you work this one out for us??  I am sure the MD's would embrace the idea in a spirit of fairness.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Ann Goldeen < <mailto:anngoldeen@...> anngoldeen@...> wrote:

 

Huma, What about one us getting to weigh in on medical care?  Wouldn’t that be fun?  Instead of having an orthopedist examine the patient, send them to a chiropractor to get a fuller picture.  I am rooting for that scenario.  Clinical justification cuts both ways. 

Last week at the pool a woman cut across the lanes to leave the water and a guy blasting off the wall ran into her thigh.  His neck hurt.  He was BACKBOARDED by a team of 8 medics and evacuated across the street to the hospital, fully conscious with the only symptom being stiffness.  Once at the hospital, guess what happened?  He had an MRI and who knows what else.  The city’s insurance adjuster (the pool is a city owned entity) called the woman who caused the accident and asked her to pay the $3500 bill.  By the way, the guy was FINE.  I would say there was no justification in any of that.  Barry and I were swimming at the time and observed the whole charade.  Ann

 

From: Huma Pierce <mailto:humatrouble@...>

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:32 PM

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Subject: RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36

 

 

Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me.

Dr. Huma Pierce

" My opinions are mine "

Chiropractor

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Schneider DC

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[Guest guest]

And, , that some chiro's have never seen THIS scene. (;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPP1HREMacI & feature=related

RR

RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36 Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce"My opinions are mine"Chiropractor___-- Schneider DC PDX -- Schneider DC PDX

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Thanks for sharing that great scene .  I am impressed that you were able to dig that out of ;the archives of old films.  It was a dream scene for us chiropractors-something we all  have dreamed of doing-and Lyndon just came real close to living in real time.  I love it!!

Schneider DC  PDXOn Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:22 PM, M. s, D.C. <drbobdc83@...> wrote:

 

And, , that some chiro's have never seen THIS scene.  (;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPP1HREMacI & feature=related

 

RR

 

 

 

RE: Re: Fired up Chiropractic Patient for House District 36   Last point of clarification. I have no problem with apples IME-ing apples; it's oranges that try to judge apples that bother me. Dr. Huma Pierce " My opinions are mine " Chiropractor___-- Schneider DC PDX

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