Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hi Corny. I am going to try to do that. This is how flakey the whole thing is tho. I talked to him two weeks ago and he sent me to his web site http://www.oxytherapies.com He told me I could find the catalogue for the free ND course there. so I checked it out. very unprofessional and crude. I tried to print it and could not because of the way it is formatted. So I call and talk with him again and he says Nikki, his unwife, will send me a cd with all the info on it. About the same time I contacted Clayton College and asked for a catalogue. Their cataloge came three days later. So a week goes by and no cd from Freibott so I call and Nikki says he is out of town and he has to make the cd. That seems incredibly rediculous to me. I mean are you legitimate or not. And if you are, is it a one horse show. They have a whole list of " faculty " which includes Ed MC Cabe, but I have to wait for to get back from out of town to make a cd of their catalogue with the application in it? So, I am pursuing it, but am not sure what to expect or how it will turn out. I will post when I know more. Interstingly, the tuition at Clayton is pretty low, so we will see. . . Blessings Donna p.s. Saul, Sara Lou says you have a course that you offer. I did not know this. Can you post info on that? Thanks Naturopath > Donna > I too have been considering a degree in naturopathy. Do you think Freibott would allow you to contact other graduates of his school, so that you could get their impressions after having completed the degree? Regarding ozone/oxygen, maybe it's not necessary to have that included in the curriculum, since one could probably learn a heck of a lot from Oxyplus and from Saul's website and book. Just a thought. > > Corny > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Dear Donna, I have a free Ozone Hyperthermic Technician training course. The catch is that it is free to everyone who buys an ozone sauna setup. The course teaches you who NOT to put in the sauna, and how to deal with those who are borderline, so that you do no harm. There is a test with it, and you complete that and send it back to me. I grade it and if you pass, I send you a nice certificate suitable for framing, proclaiming you as an Ozone Hyperthermic Technician. I combine the ozone generator of Nikola Tesla with the sauna application of Dr. Harvey Kellogg and the approach of Dr. Benedict Lust (heat, light, air and water therapy) which I learned from Dr. Freibott. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Re: Naturopath Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:44:27 -0800 Hi Corny. I am going to try to do that. This is how flakey the whole thing is tho. I talked to him two weeks ago and he sent me to his web site http://www.oxytherapies.com He told me I could find the catalogue for the free ND course there. so I checked it out. very unprofessional and crude. I tried to print it and could not because of the way it is formatted. So I call and talk with him again and he says Nikki, his unwife, will send me a cd with all the info on it. About the same time I contacted Clayton College and asked for a catalogue. Their cataloge came three days later. So a week goes by and no cd from Freibott so I call and Nikki says he is out of town and he has to make the cd. That seems incredibly rediculous to me. I mean are you legitimate or not. And if you are, is it a one horse show. They have a whole list of " faculty " which includes Ed MC Cabe, but I have to wait for to get back from out of town to make a cd of their catalogue with the application in it? So, I am pursuing it, but am not sure what to expect or how it will turn out. I will post when I know more. Interstingly, the tuition at Clayton is pretty low, so we will see. . . Blessings Donna p.s. Saul, Sara Lou says you have a course that you offer. I did not know this. Can you post info on that? Thanks Naturopath > Donna > I too have been considering a degree in naturopathy. Do you think Freibott would allow you to contact other graduates of his school, so that you could get their impressions after having completed the degree? Regarding ozone/oxygen, maybe it's not necessary to have that included in the curriculum, since one could probably learn a heck of a lot from Oxyplus and from Saul's website and book. Just a thought. > > Corny > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Saul, Does this course cover a person (like myself) legally, if I let friends come over and use my sauna and something happens to them. Or is it more just a nice little certificate stating I passed the test, but won't hold up in a court of law? Also, how much does it cost if one hasn't bought the ozone sauna setup from you? Thanks, Gail > Dear Donna, > > I have a free Ozone Hyperthermic Technician training course. > The catch is that it is free to everyone who buys an ozone sauna setup. > > The course teaches you who NOT to put in the sauna, > and how to deal with those who are borderline, so that you do no harm. > > There is a test with it, and you complete that and send it back to me. > I grade it and if you pass, I send you a nice certificate suitable for > framing, proclaiming you as an Ozone Hyperthermic Technician. > > I combine the ozone generator of Nikola Tesla with the sauna application of > Dr. Harvey Kellogg and the approach of Dr. Benedict Lust (heat, light, > air and water therapy) which I learned from Dr. Freibott. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul Pressman > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...> > Reply-oxyplus > <oxyplus > > Subject: Re: Naturopath > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:44:27 -0800 > > Hi Corny. I am going to try to do that. This is how flakey the whole thing > is tho. I talked to him two weeks ago and he sent me to his web site > http://www.oxytherapies.com He told me I could find the catalogue for the > free ND course there. so I checked it out. very unprofessional and crude. > I tried to print it and could not because of the way it is formatted. > > So I call and talk with him again and he says Nikki, his unwife, will send > me a cd with all the info on it. About the same time I contacted Clayton > College and asked for a catalogue. Their cataloge came three days later. > So a week goes by and no cd from Freibott so I call and Nikki says he is out > of town and he has to make the cd. > > That seems incredibly rediculous to me. I mean are you legitimate or not. > And if you are, is it a one horse show. They have a whole list of " faculty " > which includes Ed MC Cabe, but I have to wait for to get back from > out of town to make a cd of their catalogue with the application in it? > > So, I am pursuing it, but am not sure what to expect or how it will turn > out. I will post when I know more. > > Interstingly, the tuition at Clayton is pretty low, so we will see. . . > > Blessings > Donna > p.s. Saul, Sara Lou says you have a course that you offer. I did not know > this. Can you post info on that? > Thanks > Naturopath > > > > Donna > > I too have been considering a degree in naturopathy. Do you think > Freibott would allow you to contact other graduates of his school, so that > you could get their impressions after having completed the degree? > Regarding ozone/oxygen, maybe it's not necessary to have that included in > the curriculum, since one could probably learn a heck of a lot from Oxyplus > and from Saul's website and book. Just a thought. > > > > Corny > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hi Gail, Your post made me think about this, so my question might be more rhetorical than not, but I wonder, why we feel we need legal protection from friends and family when we are letting them use our ozone sauna and not when we loan a neigbour our lawn mower, which is FAR more dangerous and likely to result in injury. Would your friends sue you if they got the healing rash? For what? I can't imagine anything else that could happen to them, they can't be electricuted, they can't be damaged in some way by the ozone, they can't have a limb cut off, so what do you need protection from? (not so rhetorical I guess:)) You are not the first person I have heard ask this so I guess that is why I am asking (musing) out loud. Does our own fear of ozone and the healing crisis make us project bad things or fear the worse? Because I would be far more scared of loaning my neighbour my lawnmower than having them in for a sauna. If it is your fear, then how you word what you say to your friends can have all the impact in the world. " This is NOT a medical treatment " " I am not a doctor " " If it was me... " " No I (we, it) don't cure you or anything you have.... your body does that " " This removes toxins from your body (over a series of sessions) and then your body can do what it was designed to do... heal ITSELF " Those sorts of things... make it real clear to everyone you aren't pretending to be anything you aren't. Other things while in the sauna: " If you start to feel dizzy or light headed or nauseaus... open the door for cool air " " You are in control, you can open the door at anytime " " You can get out at anytime " And after: " Drink lots of water to support your systems " " You MIGHT experience some of the following this evening..... however, you might not, either way you have lightened your toxic load " Anyway, not sure if any of this helps you or if I am right off track, but I thought I would put it out there for you. Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Naturopath > > > > Donna > > I too have been considering a degree in naturopathy. Do you think > Freibott would allow you to contact other graduates of his school, so that > you could get their impressions after having completed the degree? > Regarding ozone/oxygen, maybe it's not necessary to have that included in > the curriculum, since one could probably learn a heck of a lot from Oxyplus > and from Saul's website and book. Just a thought. > > > > Corny > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 I have had the same fear about my hyperbaric chamber, but that is a medical Rx device. I wanted to help a woman in my holistic doc's office who is around 80 and has significant macular degeneration. (I also gave her Saul's # by the way but don't know if she ever called). HBO is known to reverse that. I talked to my doc about the possibilities of a prescription for her or a waiver or something and she said, It won't hold up in court. If anything happens to her in that chamber, she has crazy relatives and they will sue. It's not worth losing my practice over. And she is frail--and who knows. Something *could* happen, even a fall when getting in or out. And of course, I thought, well if something worse happened, coincidentally...I would be completely vulnerable. Maybe the ozone sauna is different, because it's not an Rx device, its essentially a home steam cabinet? I have offered a few friends to try it but nobody has. I find that actually most people aren't willing to make the effort to come over and try my devices anyway so I really, in real life, don't have much of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Ok, but this is not a friend. She is a stranger, and if I didn't have a business running I wouldn't be inviting strangers into my home for anything. And yes anyone could slip getting into or out of the sauna, but they could also slip walking up your driveway or side walk, are you afraid of your friends sueing you for that too? I wonder if people would be concerned about legal responsiblity and being sued if the sauna we were talking about was an old fashioned Swedish kind that holds more than one person? I just don't get it, if it isn't a business and you are inviting friends over for a sauna, why would you be afraid of being sued? What kind of friends would do that? And again, what would they sue you for? Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Naturopath I have had the same fear about my hyperbaric chamber, but that is a medical Rx device. I wanted to help a woman in my holistic doc's office who is around 80 and has significant macular degeneration. (I also gave her Saul's # by the way but don't know if she ever called). HBO is known to reverse that. I talked to my doc about the possibilities of a prescription for her or a waiver or something and she said, It won't hold up in court. If anything happens to her in that chamber, she has crazy relatives and they will sue. It's not worth losing my practice over. And she is frail--and who knows. Something *could* happen, even a fall when getting in or out. And of course, I thought, well if something worse happened, coincidentally...I would be completely vulnerable. Maybe the ozone sauna is different, because it's not an Rx device, its essentially a home steam cabinet? I have offered a few friends to try it but nobody has. I find that actually most people aren't willing to make the effort to come over and try my devices anyway so I really, in real life, don't have much of a problem. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 - Hi Sherri-Lee, I asked because Saul said his course teaches who NOT to put in the sauna and those who might be borderline so as to cause no harm. Well, that got me to thinking. My husband has high blood pressure. He's taken a 10 minute sauna and nothing happened, but what if somebody had HBP and ended up having a heart attack while in my sauna? Also, you'd be surprised who will sue who when given an opportunity! Once when our daughter was small (about 5 or 6), she was playing over at her friends' house. They were in the process of building a house. They actually owned a resort with multiple cabins but were building a main house for themself. The border was NOT covered and the kids crawled under the parcially built house playing. There was a light bulb under the house and my daughter spit (who knows why) on it and it exploded causing the glass from the light balb to fly everywhere. Unfortunately a piece landed in her little playmate's eye! Long drawn out process. She had to have surgery and did eventually over the years recover most of her eye sight, but during all that time they were constantly talking about suing. Go figure. As unfortunate as it was (and we really did feel bad), I had to say, " Look, our kid was over at your house under your (suppose) supervision, and you want to sue us? " Well, they never did, but it just goes to show you. I've had family members want to sue various members. Must say it was never a stranger. Always family or friends. So back to more questions. Is the sauna dangerous for any health reasons? Gail -- In oxyplus , Sherri-Lee Pressman <sherri--lee@s...> wrote: > Hi Gail, > > Your post made me think about this, so my question might be more rhetorical than not, but I wonder, why we feel we need legal protection from friends and family when we are letting them use our ozone sauna and not when we loan a neigbour our lawn mower, which is FAR more dangerous and likely to result in injury. > > Would your friends sue you if they got the healing rash? For what? I can't imagine anything else that could happen to them, they can't be electricuted, they can't be damaged in some way by the ozone, they can't have a limb cut off, so what do you need protection from? (not so rhetorical I guess:)) > > You are not the first person I have heard ask this so I guess that is why I am asking (musing) out loud. > > Does our own fear of ozone and the healing crisis make us project bad things or fear the worse? Because I would be far more scared of loaning my neighbour my lawnmower than having them in for a sauna. > > If it is your fear, then how you word what you say to your friends can have all the impact in the world. > > " This is NOT a medical treatment " > " I am not a doctor " > " If it was me... " > " No I (we, it) don't cure you or anything you have.... your body does that " > " This removes toxins from your body (over a series of sessions) and then your body can do what it was designed to do... heal ITSELF " > > Those sorts of things... make it real clear to everyone you aren't pretending to be anything you aren't. > > Other things while in the sauna: > > " If you start to feel dizzy or light headed or nauseaus... open the door for cool air " > " You are in control, you can open the door at anytime " > " You can get out at anytime " > > And after: > > " Drink lots of water to support your systems " > " You MIGHT experience some of the following this evening..... however, you might not, either way you have lightened your toxic load " > > Anyway, not sure if any of this helps you or if I am right off track, but I thought I would put it out there for you. > > Sherri-Lee > Looking for safe and natural health products? > http://www.aloeessence.com > Naturopath > > > > > > > Donna > > > I too have been considering a degree in naturopathy. Do you > think > > Freibott would allow you to contact other graduates of his school, > so that > > you could get their impressions after having completed the degree? > > Regarding ozone/oxygen, maybe it's not necessary to have that > included in > > the curriculum, since one could probably learn a heck of a lot from > Oxyplus > > and from Saul's website and book. Just a thought. > > > > > > Corny > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hi Gail, Yes the course teaches who not to put in the sauna. So why would you put someone in who shouldn't be in? I wouldn't be inviting anyone into my sauna that I didn't know, unless it was business and then I would have them sign my disclaimer form which clearly states who should not use it. That is their opportunity to tell me then if they have any of the contraindications. If I invited family members to have a sauna as I have in the past, I would explain to them clearly before they got into the sauna about who shouldn't use it, what to expect and what was going to happen to their body. This is my responsiblity to them. Now of course if I lived in a family that was sue happy, I wouldn't be having them over for anything let alone sauna's. They could sue you for a hundred different things a visit I would think. Perhaps some of the difference is that I am in Canada, and I can't get my head around America's obsession with sueing people. And it seems to me most of the time, it is the person who really should have been responsible for themselves, who is sueing someone else. Seems to be a trait in society: many people don't take responsiblity for themselves anymore. I just don't get it. But again, if I was worried about being sued by family or friends, as you seem to be, I simply wouldn't be inviting them over for saunas. Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Naturopath - Hi Sherri-Lee, I asked because Saul said his course teaches who NOT to put in the sauna and those who might be borderline so as to cause no harm. Well, that got me to thinking. My husband has high blood pressure. He's taken a 10 minute sauna and nothing happened, but what if somebody had HBP and ended up having a heart attack while in my sauna? Also, you'd be surprised who will sue who when given an opportunity! Once when our daughter was small (about 5 or 6), she was playing over at her friends' house. They were in the process of building a house. They actually owned a resort with multiple cabins but were building a main house for themself. The border was NOT covered and the kids crawled under the parcially built house playing. There was a light bulb under the house and my daughter spit (who knows why) on it and it exploded causing the glass from the light balb to fly everywhere. Unfortunately a piece landed in her little playmate's eye! Long drawn out process. She had to have surgery and did eventually over the years recover most of her eye sight, but during all that time they were constantly talking about suing. Go figure. As unfortunate as it was (and we really did feel bad), I had to say, " Look, our kid was over at your house under your (suppose) supervision, and you want to sue us? " Well, they never did, but it just goes to show you. I've had family members want to sue various members. Must say it was never a stranger. Always family or friends. So back to more questions. Is the sauna dangerous for any health reasons? Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 > I just don't get it. But again, if I was worried about being sued by family or friends, as you seem to be, I simply wouldn't be inviting them over for saunas. > > Sherri-Lee ----------------- Hi Sherri-Lee, Well, I certainly would not say I am obsessively worried (or even worried at all)....just older and wiser having lived life's experiences. Others might not have had the same experiences I'm sure and can only speak from their own personal perspective. It's also not even so much a worry about being sued (although I do want to know what all my options are and cover all bases). I need to know if the sauna is dangerous for any with any health concerns. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 That's the thing Sherri, as you pointed out, America is sue-happy. So we have to be very careful. Disclaimers don't necessarily hold up in court. When I first did hyperbaric treatments in a clinic, there was a young woman who had almost died in a car accident. She'd been quite impaired but her mind was intact--but she had speech and motor deficits. Her Mom used to come with her. As I got to know them better, her mom explained that they were suing the family they held responsible. Treatments were expensive...they needed the $...The actual story: the girl had been over at a party at her friends and drank too much. As I recall, she was actually very upset with that friend because she felt the friend had stolen someone she wanted as a boyfriend. So she got drunk and drove drunk and got into an accident. She blamed the friend for her entire trauma--because if she hadn't been upset, she wouldn't have been drinking...if that wasn't weird enough, the mother blamed the family--as if the mother herself weren't responsible for her teenage daughter? I liked that girl in some ways, as she was brave, but I couldn't like her for refusing to take responsibility for her own carelessness--or her mother's, and being willing to possibly ruin another family financially. Not such an unusual situation, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hi Jill, Well it sounds like there is no way you can be sure you aren't going to be sued for something. If disclaimers don't always hold up in court then you are putting yourself out on a limb everytime you invite someone into your home. So I guess the choice then is to: A) lock your doors, don't go out, don't invite anyone in and do your best to cover yourself, ensure you are well informed about what you are doing and careful about what you are saying, have a waiver/disclaimer drawn up by a lawyer and cross your fingers. What else can you do? Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Naturopath That's the thing Sherri, as you pointed out, America is sue-happy. So we have to be very careful. Disclaimers don't necessarily hold up in court. When I first did hyperbaric treatments in a clinic, there was a young woman who had almost died in a car accident. She'd been quite impaired but her mind was intact--but she had speech and motor deficits. Her Mom used to come with her. As I got to know them better, her mom explained that they were suing the family they held responsible. Treatments were expensive...they needed the $...The actual story: the girl had been over at a party at her friends and drank too much. As I recall, she was actually very upset with that friend because she felt the friend had stolen someone she wanted as a boyfriend. So she got drunk and drove drunk and got into an accident. She blamed the friend for her entire trauma--because if she hadn't been upset, she wouldn't have been drinking...if that wasn't weird enough, the mother blamed the family--as if the mother herself weren't responsible for her teenage daughter? I liked that girl in some ways, as she was brave, but I couldn't like her for refusing to take responsibility for her own carelessness--or her mother's, and being willing to possibly ruin another family financially. Not such an unusual situation, here. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Sherri-Lee, please don't be sarcastic. Gail's questions were quite legitimate, and these concerns are real. It isn't about locking your doors and never going out, its about whether to let others use medical/healing devices especially in your own home. It's something to be done with caution here in the U.S. One makes ones choices based on risk; the likelihood of being sued because someone decides they were harmed, or their family decides they were harmed, by using a chamber or sauna in your home is much greater than if you walk out the door to meet a friend. Remember, malpractice costs are extremely high for doctors here. My own choice is case by case. > Hi Jill, > > Well it sounds like there is no way you can be sure you aren't going to be sued for something. If disclaimers don't always hold up in court then you are putting yourself out on a limb everytime you invite someone into your home. So I guess the choice then is to: A) lock your doors, don't go out, don't invite anyone in and do your best to cover yourself, ensure you are well informed about what you are doing and careful about what you are saying, have a waiver/disclaimer drawn up by a lawyer and cross your fingers. > > What else can you do? > > Sherri-Lee > Looking for safe and natural health products? > http://www.aloeessence.com > Re: Naturopath > > > That's the thing Sherri, as you pointed out, America is sue- happy. > So we have to be very careful. Disclaimers don't necessarily hold up > in court. > > When I first did hyperbaric treatments in a clinic, there was a young > woman who had almost died in a car accident. She'd been quite > impaired but her mind was intact--but she had speech and motor > deficits. Her Mom used to come with her. As I got to know them > better, her mom explained that they were suing the family they held > responsible. Treatments were expensive...they needed the $...The > actual story: the girl had been over at a party at her friends and > drank too much. As I recall, she was actually very upset with that > friend because she felt the friend had stolen someone she wanted as a > boyfriend. So she got drunk and drove drunk and got into an accident. > > She blamed the friend for her entire trauma--because if she hadn't > been upset, she wouldn't have been drinking...if that wasn't weird > enough, the mother blamed the family--as if the mother herself > weren't responsible for her teenage daughter? I liked that girl in > some ways, as she was brave, but I couldn't like her for refusing to > take responsibility for her own carelessness--or her mother's, and > being willing to possibly ruin another family financially. > > Not such an unusual situation, here. > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Re: Naturopath > So back to more questions. Is the sauna dangerous for any health > reasons? My new book, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy, covers this in depth -- from all sorts of medical/health conditions to materials used for building the sauna. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD *Information, products, and services related to healing* ============================================== THE HOLISTIC HANDBOOK OF SAUNA THERAPY is now available. Order this and also THE HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING, at http://www.nenahsylver.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 > > My new book, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy, covers this in depth -- > from all sorts of medical/health conditions to materials used for building the > sauna. > > Nenah > -------------------------------- Hi Nenah, Thank you. I am sure your book is a very good and informative book. What got me to start thinking along this line were two things. 1) Saul's comments about those that should not get in the sauna and some that were borderline. 2) My own experience with overdoing ear insufflation and the effect it had on me, which was all my fault for not knowing and following proper directions. But the combined two things got me to thinking. I had previously thought this was simply very safe (and I still do for the most part). But if there is any chance of it being harmful, I think it only simple courtesy to give a warning when purchasing the equipment. And I'd like to think it's more than just being courteous. It's about being in the business of caring about a persons' well-being and not wanting to see any harm come to them from using the equipment. To me that is what alternative therapy is all about. People who have found other ways aren't working and, with a true desire of getting well and helping others, have gone the alternative way. I did not purchase a sauna from Saul, and I have no idea what his instructions, and/or any warnings, are with his sauna. But the one I got form Ozonelab came with no heatlh warning whatsoever. It did caution about water damage, but nothing about possibility of any health hasard. I just think, if there are any risks, a simple warning with instructions is not too much to ask. And I don't think it should be necessary to have to buy a book to get that warning. Even a simple warning of checking with you doctor if you have any heatlh issues before starting might be appropriate. Gail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Jill, I wasn't being sarcastic in the least. You paint a situation with no solution and yet ask for a solution. If I was you and not running a business then I would NOT be inviting people into my home for steam sauna's period. The chances of someone slipping while getting into or out of the sauna (and this is the ONLY way I can think of someone being hurt in this unit) is the same as someone slipping on your stairs in the winter time with ice or during a rain storm, or someone who is old and frail (as you suggested) with perhaps poor eyesight and brittle bones slipping on the walkway with no unusual weather conditions. The reality is (to me) in the situation you discribe that any one might sue you for anything while in your home: opps the tea is too hot and your toddler bumped me and I spilled it on my crotch. Oh, I slipped on the water I spilled in your bathroom while washing my hands, why didn't you have a non slip mat down? Oh the food you offered me had peanuts and I have an allergy. Oh the material on your hand towels is cotton and I am allergic. I mean the possibilities are limitless. If you spend your life trying to second guess why other people might sue you, you will cripple yourself with fear and then not offer any good to anyone. And I am speaking from experience. I had a woman (paying client) who came in and was using my unit. She claimed to fall in my shower while in it (I didn't hear anything mind you and was not far away) and came out with a HUGE black and blue raised bruise (she is the fastest bruiser of all times!). She told other people she was going to sue me. I worried and fretted about it and almost closed my spa. But out of the 100 or so people I have had come, she was the only one who has been like that. Not a bad ratio. You speak of malpractice insurance. I find that interesting, as this is not a medical treatment, you are not offering a medical treatment, you are not a doctor and so can not qualify for it. You are looking at this like a medical treatment and perhaps that is the problem. Even in my spa that has been opened for 3 year now, I only offer people ozone steam sauna's for stress relief, weight loss and eliminating the toxins in their body. Once the toxins are removed then their body does what ever healing it has to do. It has nothing to do with me. I hope I have made myself more clear, Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Naturopath > > > That's the thing Sherri, as you pointed out, America is sue- happy. > So we have to be very careful. Disclaimers don't necessarily hold up > in court. > > When I first did hyperbaric treatments in a clinic, there was a young > woman who had almost died in a car accident. She'd been quite > impaired but her mind was intact--but she had speech and motor > deficits. Her Mom used to come with her. As I got to know them > better, her mom explained that they were suing the family they held > responsible. Treatments were expensive...they needed the $...The > actual story: the girl had been over at a party at her friends and > drank too much. As I recall, she was actually very upset with that > friend because she felt the friend had stolen someone she wanted as a > boyfriend. So she got drunk and drove drunk and got into an accident. > > She blamed the friend for her entire trauma--because if she hadn't > been upset, she wouldn't have been drinking...if that wasn't weird > enough, the mother blamed the family--as if the mother herself > weren't responsible for her teenage daughter? I liked that girl in > some ways, as she was brave, but I couldn't like her for refusing to > take responsibility for her own carelessness--or her mother's, and > being willing to possibly ruin another family financially. > > Not such an unusual situation, here. > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. 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Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi Sherri-Lee, sorry if I didn't get your meaning the first time. All I'm trying to convey, which was really reflected well in the article Saul posted, that I think both Gail and I were wondering if/how we could help others in a society that is ridiculously litigious. We're not medical professionals. I have the impulse to help. But I think I will err on the side of caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi Sherri-Lee, sorry if I didn't get your meaning the first time. All I'm trying to convey, which was really reflected well in the article Saul posted, that I think both Gail and I were wondering if/how we could help others in a society that is ridiculously litigious. We're not medical professionals. I have the impulse to help. But I think I will err on the side of caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi Gail, Anyone with high blood pressure should use the sauna with caution: short sessions on low heat and slowly build up to longer sessions with higher heat. Anyone who has had a stroke, should not go in the sauna. And pregnant women should not go in the sauna. Some steroidal medication are not good in the heat either so I would use caution with people on these as well. These are all cautions against the *heat* only of the steam sauna. Ozone is NOT contraindicated for these conditions as it is extremely safe. Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Naturopath > I just don't get it. But again, if I was worried about being sued by family or friends, as you seem to be, I simply wouldn't be inviting them over for saunas. > > Sherri-Lee ----------------- Hi Sherri-Lee, Well, I certainly would not say I am obsessively worried (or even worried at all)....just older and wiser having lived life's experiences. Others might not have had the same experiences I'm sure and can only speak from their own personal perspective. It's also not even so much a worry about being sued (although I do want to know what all my options are and cover all bases). I need to know if the sauna is dangerous for any with any health concerns. Gail OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi Gail, Anyone with high blood pressure should use the sauna with caution: short sessions on low heat and slowly build up to longer sessions with higher heat. Anyone who has had a stroke, should not go in the sauna. And pregnant women should not go in the sauna. Some steroidal medication are not good in the heat either so I would use caution with people on these as well. These are all cautions against the *heat* only of the steam sauna. Ozone is NOT contraindicated for these conditions as it is extremely safe. Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Naturopath > I just don't get it. But again, if I was worried about being sued by family or friends, as you seem to be, I simply wouldn't be inviting them over for saunas. > > Sherri-Lee ----------------- Hi Sherri-Lee, Well, I certainly would not say I am obsessively worried (or even worried at all)....just older and wiser having lived life's experiences. Others might not have had the same experiences I'm sure and can only speak from their own personal perspective. It's also not even so much a worry about being sued (although I do want to know what all my options are and cover all bases). I need to know if the sauna is dangerous for any with any health concerns. Gail OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi Gail, I understand your frustration, we hear this almost daily from people who have purchased equipment from other people and then get no usage information. It appalling. And comes back to self-responsibility. Now I am not saying you specifically did this, however, we have talked to many people who went with others equipment because the price was cheaper but they didn't research things like after sales support and education of this person to provide you with safe info afterwards. These things must be worth something. But often people are swayed by price only (for many many reasons) and then find themselves with equipment they are afraid of using. You bought equipment from someone who knows how to put it together. When people buy from us, they get equipment, knowledge, practical hands on experience and unlimited access the Saul's resources. Sadly too many people don't value those last things much. Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Naturopath > > My new book, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy, covers this in depth -- > from all sorts of medical/health conditions to materials used for building the > sauna. > > Nenah > -------------------------------- Hi Nenah, Thank you. I am sure your book is a very good and informative book. What got me to start thinking along this line were two things. 1) Saul's comments about those that should not get in the sauna and some that were borderline. 2) My own experience with overdoing ear insufflation and the effect it had on me, which was all my fault for not knowing and following proper directions. But the combined two things got me to thinking. I had previously thought this was simply very safe (and I still do for the most part). But if there is any chance of it being harmful, I think it only simple courtesy to give a warning when purchasing the equipment. And I'd like to think it's more than just being courteous. It's about being in the business of caring about a persons' well-being and not wanting to see any harm come to them from using the equipment. To me that is what alternative therapy is all about. People who have found other ways aren't working and, with a true desire of getting well and helping others, have gone the alternative way. I did not purchase a sauna from Saul, and I have no idea what his instructions, and/or any warnings, are with his sauna. But the one I got form Ozonelab came with no heatlh warning whatsoever. It did caution about water damage, but nothing about possibility of any health hasard. I just think, if there are any risks, a simple warning with instructions is not too much to ask. And I don't think it should be necessary to have to buy a book to get that warning. Even a simple warning of checking with you doctor if you have any heatlh issues before starting might be appropriate. Gail > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 P.S. SHerri-Lee, you say: You paint a situation with no solution and yet ask for a solution. But I didn't feel I was asking for a solution. I was expounding on a difficulty in this country, and thinking out loud after Gail brought it up. There are realities we have to deal with, and discussing them out loud on this list is useful. I know I have let 3 people use my chamber thus far, and was quite comfortable with 2 of them, and a little worried about the other because she's very weak with CFIDS, but she's a good person. Nobody's been interested in the sauna so far, but I offered it to a good friend who's a healer, said he might enjoy a session as he likes to experiment with stuff. I was thinking out loud. Mainly because I've seen people at my doc's office I could help. Having thought out loud for the past 24 hours, I've concluded I won't offer it to them, but only to those I know and trust. That's my " solution. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi Serri-Lee, I do value Saul's and also you and all the other people sharing of learned knowledge with the ozone equipment. That was the main reason I bought my generator from Saul. I wanted to have access to his generous knowledge. It would not be fair for me to say the people at Ozonelab did not give me any help, because I did not ask them about any health issue warnings? I just know no warnings came with the sauna. Saul seems readily available to help on these egroups and is greatly appreciated my all I'm sure. Den has not availed himself to the egroups but has always answered whenever I've emailed in about other things, which is also greatly appreciated. Saul's equipment is top of the line with a life-time guarantee (on the generator anyway). I'm sure the sauna is also top of the line. Den's suana is of a lesser quality. It is a tent and made very inexpensively I'm sure. But to me (who did not have funds for the more expensive sauna) the tent is priceless as it is a means to help me acheive the health I've coveted for so many years. I cannot measure that in a dollar amount. It matters not whether the journey must be taken it be in a volkswagen or a top of the line most expensive car made. The destination is the goal and the journey the adventure in which I will always be grateful to both Plasmafire and Ozonelab and all others I've have the extreme privilege of sharing the journey. Many, many thanks to all, Gail -- In oxyplus , Sherri-Lee Pressman <sherri--lee@s...> wrote: > Hi Gail, > > I understand your frustration, we hear this almost daily from people who have purchased equipment from other people and then get no usage information. It appalling. And comes back to self- responsibility. Now I am not saying you specifically did this, however, we have talked to many people who went with others equipment because the price was cheaper but they didn't research things like after sales support and education of this person to provide you with safe info afterwards. These things must be worth something. But often people are swayed by price only (for many many reasons) and then find themselves with equipment they are afraid of using. > > You bought equipment from someone who knows how to put it together. When people buy from us, they get equipment, knowledge, practical hands on experience and unlimited access the Saul's resources. Sadly too many people don't value those last things much. > > Sherri-Lee > Looking for safe and natural health products? > http://www.aloeessence.com have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Hi For Saul In this post Sherri-Lee said no sauna for any one who had a stroke. What is it that would happen if someone with a previous stroke would use a sauna? What I'm wondering is it more artery blockages that they are concerned about or is there risidual effects from the previous stroke. My husband was at work and was watering plants above his head and he said a bang went off in his right temple. He thought he had been shot. He looked around and saw no blood after regaining himself he went back to work, where a little while later he finally felt sick and went to ER. He was labeled a stroke patient confirmed with CT scan and then was found not to be typical stroke. All the doctors could say was it must have been virus induced. This stroke was 21/2 years ago and he was 34 at the time. Is it heat or the ozone that should be avoided? He loves his hot steam showers and once in a while when at the pool he goes into the sauna. Is there any concern here, with heat? Since the stroke he has been plagued with alot of acute allergies which has progressed to asthma. Mostly it is always set off by chemical sensitivities. chlorine, tar, asphalt, hairspray, perfume, and chalk(kids). He has an attack within seconds of inhaling any of these substances as is so severe that he usually can't get to his meds in time. So I have been trying to figure a way for him to use ozone sauna as he seems to love regular saunas. G Murray Sherri-Lee Pressman wrote: >Anyone who has had a stroke, should not go in the sauna. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Hi For Saul In this post Sherri-Lee said no sauna for any one who had a stroke. What is it that would happen if someone with a previous stroke would use a sauna? What I'm wondering is it more artery blockages that they are concerned about or is there risidual effects from the previous stroke. My husband was at work and was watering plants above his head and he said a bang went off in his right temple. He thought he had been shot. He looked around and saw no blood after regaining himself he went back to work, where a little while later he finally felt sick and went to ER. He was labeled a stroke patient confirmed with CT scan and then was found not to be typical stroke. All the doctors could say was it must have been virus induced. This stroke was 21/2 years ago and he was 34 at the time. Is it heat or the ozone that should be avoided? He loves his hot steam showers and once in a while when at the pool he goes into the sauna. Is there any concern here, with heat? Since the stroke he has been plagued with alot of acute allergies which has progressed to asthma. Mostly it is always set off by chemical sensitivities. chlorine, tar, asphalt, hairspray, perfume, and chalk(kids). He has an attack within seconds of inhaling any of these substances as is so severe that he usually can't get to his meds in time. So I have been trying to figure a way for him to use ozone sauna as he seems to love regular saunas. G Murray Sherri-Lee Pressman wrote: >Anyone who has had a stroke, should not go in the sauna. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hi Nenah. What is the price? Including shipping Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: Naturopath > > > > > So back to more questions. Is the sauna dangerous for any health > > reasons? > > My new book, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy, covers this in depth -- > from all sorts of medical/health conditions to materials used for building the > sauna. > > Nenah > > Nenah Sylver, PhD > *Information, products, and services related to healing* > ============================================== > THE HOLISTIC HANDBOOK OF SAUNA THERAPY > is now available. Order this and also > THE HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING, > at http://www.nenahsylver.com > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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