Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 Ellen, I passed a tiny kidney stone the day before my surgery! Whew...surgery was almost canceled. In my case, I think drinking too much cranberry juice contributed to it. Remember, this was pre-op and I was not taking calcium supplements at all. If you read the link Jo referred to in the GRDS website, it lists cranberry juice as high in oxalates. We all think of cranberry juice as helpful with urinary infections and there does seem to be evidence that it does keep bacteria in check, but on the other hand, it can contribute to kidney stones if we are not also drinking a lot of water. Just my experience. Good Luck, Susie > I was wondering if there is anyone who knows about DS and kidney > stones. I am having my first bout of the dreaded stones and my PCP > is confused/concerned with the whys and preventing future stones. I > am going to ask Dr. K to contact him, but would like some info for my > own piece of mind. It is my understanding that vitamin D helps in > the absorbing of calcium. I am >7 and deficient in vit D, but > working on getting it up with ADEKs twice daily and another 400 mg > vit D tablet twice daily. My concern is this: They say stones are > caused by excess calcium going through the kidneys. Do I continue > taking calcium supplements while treating kidney stones? I have read > that stones are caused by not taking ENOUGH calcium. Which is it? I > am so confused. Maybe it's the pain killers. I had stents put in > the ureters yesterday and will have lithotripsy next week. Does this > sound right for treatment? This really sucks the big one! > > Ellen W > 6/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Hi Ellen, I am so sorry to hear about your kidney stones. What I have heard Dr. K say is more calcium, not less, and drink, drink, drink that water! I hope you are feeling better soon. Hugs and blessings, Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 i dont always drink all my fluids. i drink maybe 40-64 oz > a day. is that one thing that can cause kidney stones?? > > vicki ====================== We are more prone to kidney stones after surgery...and not drinking enough can aide in getting them. It is not the only factor...but it is one. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 i dont always drink all my fluids. i drink maybe 40-64 oz > a day. is that one thing that can cause kidney stones?? > > vicki ====================== We are more prone to kidney stones after surgery...and not drinking enough can aide in getting them. It is not the only factor...but it is one. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 From: <Christelti@...> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:10 AM > Hi everyone. > Does anyone on this list know how to flush kidney stones? Christel, This may be a little simplistic, but off the top of my head I am positive that magnesium will be of help here------just hoping that it's " enough " . I would tell her to take mag citrate " frequently " , and I have no idea how much would be too much. I think 1 cap/tab every 4 hours, accompanied by a low dose B-6 should be very helpful. My DH was sent home from the ER a few yrs ago with an unpassed stone showing on the xray. Fortunately, it was small. I gave him 500 mg of whatever form of magnesium I had on hand, along with the B-6 and he passed it in less than an hour. Though the citrate form would probably be best for this purpose, if not available use " whatever " form is. She should continue taking mag citrate, perhaps for life, since this is specific for stone formers. Many docs also add potassium citrate. I wish her the best with these stones, she must really be in pain. Sharon > > My daughter went on vacation and ended up in the emergency room in New > York, > KIDNEY STONES > They doped her up and send her home. She just called and said it has been > 3 > days and the stones won't pass. I know how to flush gallbladder/liver out > but > have no idea what to do about kidney stones. > Does anyone have advise on what can be done to flush them? > Would appreciate it greatly > Thanks > Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 From: <Christelti@...> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:10 AM > Hi everyone. > Does anyone on this list know how to flush kidney stones? After I sent the first post, I just remembered the herb Chancre Piedra is also specific for kidney stones. This is definitely " off the top of my head " . I have no further info on this, but I suspect that a company called Rainforest Herbs (I hope I've got that right!) would be a source of this. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 watermelon juice works well too. I had a friend set his passed kidney stone on the table. One day some watermelon juice got spilled on the stone and dissolved it. Dirk Chardet wrote: > Drinking plenty of apple juice should do the trick, but I don't have details. > Dirk Chardet > > Kidney Stones > > > Hi everyone. > Does anyone on this list know how to flush kidney stones? > > My daughter went on vacation and ended up in the emergency room in New York, > KIDNEY STONES > They doped her up and send her home. She just called and said it has been 3 > days and the stones won't pass. I know how to flush gallbladder/liver out but > have no idea what to do about kidney stones. > Does anyone have advise on what can be done to flush them? > Would appreciate it greatly > Thanks > Christel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Drinking plenty of apple juice should do the trick, but I don't have details. Dirk Chardet Kidney Stones Hi everyone. Does anyone on this list know how to flush kidney stones? My daughter went on vacation and ended up in the emergency room in New York, KIDNEY STONES They doped her up and send her home. She just called and said it has been 3 days and the stones won't pass. I know how to flush gallbladder/liver out but have no idea what to do about kidney stones. Does anyone have advise on what can be done to flush them? Would appreciate it greatly Thanks Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 I have used Phosfood Liquid made by Standard Process. It works great for me. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 I've heard that cellular zeolite dissolves them for some people. I think DMSO does also and is a natural pain reliever. Makes you stink to high heaven, but works. Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Christelti@... wrote: > > Hi everyone. > Does anyone on this list know how to flush kidney stones? > > My daughter went on vacation and ended up in the emergency room in New > York, > KIDNEY STONES > They doped her up and send her home. She just called and said it has > been 3 > days and the stones won't pass. I know how to flush gallbladder/liver > out but > have no idea what to do about kidney stones. > Does anyone have advise on what can be done to flush them? > Would appreciate it greatly > Thanks > Christel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 I used to do that flush many years ago after a chiropractor recommend it. I didn't even think of it when I had a kidney stone in April. Maybe I should do one. I think the reason I had a stone was because I had been in the habit of eating a lot of salted cashews. I had also been doing a far infrared sauna every night since October and maybe wasn't drinking enough water to replace the fluid loss. --- Christelti@... wrote: > I just wanted to thank everyone for their response > to my daughters help on > recommendations to solve her problem with kidney > stones. I sent her everything I > received and she tried the following . Not the > healthiest approach but it > worked > ===== > 6-pak of Classic Coke > > 1 can asparagus > > > > The directions are to drink the entire 6-pak, at > room temperature, > within two > hours. Then blend up the can of aspargus into a > liquid and drink it down. > > Apparently the coke dissolves the stones and the > asparagus acts as a > diuretic to cause one to urinate more heavily, > passing the dissolved > stones. > > > Love and Light > Christel > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Hi , Yeah, I had a kidney stone years ago. Worst pain I ever had! If it has stopped hurting and doesn't start back within about 24 hours, then it probably passed. Hope so. Have a good weekend. </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Hi , Yeah, I had a kidney stone years ago. Worst pain I ever had! If it has stopped hurting and doesn't start back within about 24 hours, then it probably passed. Hope so. Have a good weekend. </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 My three cents worth: The kidneys are filters for the blood. Typically a dietary history of greasy, devitalized (unorganic), cheap, processed foods ingested for many years overtaxes the kidneys; they begin to falter, then 'fail' or shut down. The impurities stuck in them amass into hard dense matter which are, as we all know, a bitch to have and a bitch to remove. AFTER THE FACT - to avoid the problem - eat more fresh raw produce daily, cook your own fuel, eat less wheat products, focus on taking antioxidant foods (berries), flax seed oil, drink alkaline water (which is friggin' awesome for us pozzies, my friends). In theory, switching to high pH alkaline water might cause the stones to decalcify and pass them out easily, the way our plumbing is built to function. (NOTE: Use only neutral pH water at medication time). Steve Perkins, The Cooking Buff, www.themusclekitchen.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 ,Where do you get alkaline water and why is it better than plain water?LarryOn May 12, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Perkins wrote:My three cents worth: The kidneys are filters for the blood. Typically a dietary history of greasy, devitalized (unorganic), cheap, processed foods ingested for many years overtaxes the kidneys; they begin to falter, then 'fail' or shut down. The impurities stuck in them amass into hard dense matter which are, as we all know, a bitch to have and a bitch to remove.AFTER THE FACT - to avoid the problem - eat more fresh raw produce daily, cook your own fuel, eat less wheat products, focus on taking antioxidant foods (berries), flax seed oil, drink alkaline water (which is friggin' awesome for us pozzies, my friends).In theory, switching to high pH alkaline water might cause the stones to decalcify and pass them out easily, the way our plumbing is built to function. (NOTE: Use only neutral pH water at medication time).Steve Perkins, The Cooking Buff, www.themusclekitchen.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 alkaline water alkaline water??? what the hek is that?? is it like an OH- attached to it or something and if you take alkaline water, it will be neutralized in the stomach,it is like like taking Aluminum hydroxide or antacid I don't think it is the answer From: Lawrence Smyle <lsmyle@...> Perkins <sperkins@...>Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:42:38 PMSubject: Re: Re: Kidney Stones , Where do you get alkaline water and why is it better than plain water? Larry On May 12, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Perkins wrote: My three cents worth: The kidneys are filters for the blood. Typically a dietary history of greasy, devitalized (unorganic), cheap, processed foods ingested for many years overtaxes the kidneys; they begin to falter, then 'fail' or shut down. The impurities stuck in them amass into hard dense matter which are, as we all know, a bitch to have and a bitch to remove.AFTER THE FACT - to avoid the problem - eat more fresh raw produce daily, cook your own fuel, eat less wheat products, focus on taking antioxidant foods (berries), flax seed oil, drink alkaline water (which is friggin' awesome for us pozzies, my friends).In theory, switching to high pH alkaline water might cause the stones to decalcify and pass them out easily, the way our plumbing is built to function. (NOTE: Use only neutral pH water at medication time).Steve Perkins, The Cooking Buff, www.themusclekitche n.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 "Where do you get alkaline water and why is it better than plain water?"Larry,The pH of tap water is variable, from mildly acidic to mildly basic, and your body is brilliantly designed to control the pH of your blood, once it enters the system. The lungs, kidneys, and bones all modulate CO2, bicarbonate, and amonia levels to keep the blood's pH in a very narrow range.As the function of the hemoglobin in your red cells is tied to an exquisitely narrow range of pH values, this system is tightly controlled. If you drink water that is more acidic or more basic, your body will take care of that.Compensating mechanisms may cause the urine to be slightly acidic if you take in basic water, that's why urologists like cranberry juice with urinary infections, but over-all, the pH of the water you consume is immaterial.Remember that living in nature, clean water is a scarcity, an organism too tied to overly "specific" water would be doomed to rapid extinction.JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 First thanks for all the responses. Steve, I ran the first raw foods restaurant in NYC 1985.The story will be in my forth coming book. So I don't eat crap...I did not write about my post vegan diet but did you read all that I do take in the posted e mail? Again big thanks. It passed rather quickly. It was just one small stone for mankind<G> Marathon Man Steve > > My three cents worth: The kidneys are filters for the blood. Typically > a dietary history of greasy, devitalized (unorganic), cheap, processed > foods ingested for many years overtaxes the kidneys; they begin to > falter, then 'fail' or shut down. The impurities stuck in them amass > into hard dense matter which are, as we all know, a bitch to have and > a bitch to remove. > > AFTER THE FACT - to avoid the problem - eat more fresh raw produce > daily, cook your own fuel, eat less wheat products, focus on taking > antioxidant foods (berries), flax seed oil, drink alkaline water > (which is friggin' awesome for us pozzies, my friends). > > In theory, switching to high pH alkaline water might cause the stones > to decalcify and pass them out easily, the way our plumbing is built > to function. (NOTE: Use only neutral pH water at medication time). > > Steve Perkins, The Cooking Buff, www.themusclekitchen.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Note that if you don't cook spinach, it contains a lot of oxalic acid and can be a source of the oxalic acid that may increase the potential for kidney stone formation. Steaming or cooking the spinach allows the oxalic acid to leave the spinach so you'll take less in when you eat it. So don't eat it raw. Some vegetables are better cooked or steamed, including broccoli, another source of oxalic acid. Also, in one study grapefruit juice was shown to increase the potential for kidney stones something like 17 times!!! I don't remember the mechanism, but I'd avoid grapefruit or its juice if I had kidney stone problems. Mooney www.michaelmooney.net www.medibolics.com > > > > > > > From: rockovach rockovach@ > > > > Subject: Kidney Stone > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:46 PM > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > Did a trip to the emergency room last week. It was a kidney > > > > stone. > > > > > > > > I increased my vit D from 1000iu to 3000iu about three > > > > months ago. > > > > > > > > I have been taking calcium microcrystalline > > > > hydrxoyapatite 2000mg 2 x day since my 2002 Boston Marathon > > > > heel fracture. > > > > > > > > Switched from soy yogurt to Brown Cow whole milk yogurt in > > > > Jan. > > > > > > > > Re started protein shakes over a year ago: whey, glutamine, > > > > flax, progreens about 5 a week. > > > > > > > > Meds: Intelence, Isentress, truvada, famcyclovir > > > > > > > > a good AIDS protocol of vits...vit c 3 grams 4 x a day > > > > since the dawn of time. > > > > > > > > Not sure why the kidney stone happened. Didn't get one on > > > > crixavan. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > Marathon Man > > > > Kovacev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Welcome to our group! > > > > > > > > If you received this email from someone who forwarded it to > > > > you and would like to join this group, send a blank email to > > > > -subscribe > > > > and you will get an email with instructions to follow. > > > > > > > > You can chose to receive single emails or a daily digest > > > > (collection of emails). You can post pictures, images, > > > > attach files and search by keyword old postings in the > > > > group. > > > > > > > > For those of you who are members already and want to switch > > > > from single emails to digest or vice versa, visit > > > > www., click on , then on " edit my > > > > membership " and go down to your selection. The list > > > > administrator does not process any requests, so this is a > > > > do-it-yourself easy process ! > > > > > > > > Thanks for joining. You will learn and share a lot in this > > > > group! > > > > > > > > NOTE: I moderate, approve or disapprove emails before they > > > > are posted. Please follow the guidelines shown in the > > > > homepage. I will not allow rudeness, sexually explicit > > > > material, attacks, and anyone who does not follow the rules. > > > > If you are not OK with this, please do not join the group. > > > > > > > > Forward this email to anyone who may benefit from this > > > > information! Thanks! > > > > > > > > In Health, > > > > > > > > Vergel (PoWeRTX@) > > > > List Founder and Moderator > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 My sister in law has had mega-yeast infiltration since high school when she was put on antibiotics for mono. Now she has 2 kidney stones around 1 cm. each...too big to pass; maybe Lithotripsy soon. Hx of osteoporosis but the drug for it increases oxylates (?) precipitating more stones. Nephrologist put her on a low oxalate diet reducing wheat/potatoes/nuts/ berries. She is on calcium supplements because she is “not absorbing”. (Isn’t that the weird reasoning where your rib cartiladge calcifies BECAUSE you are low in calcium so your body liberates it from your bones?) She is now on calcitriol and a 1/2 dosage of phosomax. They say her system is extrememly ALKYLINE. Fascinating case. I’m no biochemist but my right brain is telling me that they are in the “whack-a-mole” stage of treating the adaptive response to her long standing chronic illness. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 If she is running very alkaline, she may actually be in a state of "emergency alkalosis" which is due to being acidic. I'm not great on biochem, so I'm not the one to explain it. I have seen it. Does she drink enough water? I hope she follows Sunny's great recommendations. Janet L Rueger, DCCertified in CraniopathyCertified BodyTalk Practitioner149 Clear Creek Dr., # 105Ashland, OR, 97520541-690-6799bodytalk@... On May 20, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Abrahamson wrote: My sister in law has had mega-yeast infiltration since high school when she was put on antibiotics for mono. Now she has 2 kidney stones around 1 cm. each...too big to pass; maybe Lithotripsy soon. Hx of osteoporosis but the drug for it increases oxylates (?) precipitating more stones. Nephrologist put her on a low oxalate diet reducing wheat/potatoes/nuts/ berries. She is on calcium supplements because she is “not absorbing”. (Isn’t that the weird reasoning where your rib cartiladge calcifies BECAUSE you are low in calcium so your body liberates it from your bones?) She is now on calcitriol and a 1/2 dosage of phosomax. They say her system is extrememly ALKYLINE. Fascinating case. I’m no biochemist but my right brain is telling me that they are in the “whack-a-mole” stage of treating the adaptive response to her long standing chronic illness. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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