Re: john coming to Herb's defense... he's right!

[Guest guest]

Vern: I love you too Uncle Vern and I love Dr. Herb as well, but Herb is right

on the money re. UWS. I went to Western States too and have much respect for

many components of that program. But Herb is right if he is referring to Dr.

Brimhall going down to New Mexico recently and trying to help bring drugs into

their scope of practice? Is this future UWS Masters Program designed to be the

entree needed (according to the proposed NM bill which failed, thankfully) to

have a so-called " enhanced practice " ? If so, UWS will have a fight on his hands

in from DCs that will likely be stronger than the opposition of the medicos. I

personally will fight vehemently to keep drugs out of the scope of practice of

MY profession (as is my right). And we can kiss unity goodbye in our state, for

sure.

I feel sorry for DCs who feel strongly the other way, I don't dislike them, I

understand their frustration and I know where they are coming from and I also

know their argument that they feel you have to be able to prescribe a drug to

even discuss the issue with the patient (ridiculous). But I just feel bad for

them because I know they just REALLY don't get it. And the funny thing is they

are trying to buy a ticket on a train that is going the wrong way anyhow. Just

when there is a cultural awakening to the scientific-futility of

pharmaceutical-based health care, these DCs want to get past the velvet ropes

into a party that is all but over. If a chiro wants to prescribe meds, go ahead

and get your NP degree or your PA degree or your MD or DO or even ND degree. But

please leave us DCs alone.

Vern: I hope you are not being lured back to the dark side. ;-)

>

> Love ya Herb but not true as per the University of Western States rather just

the opposite. Key to true health care reform is not just changing how we fund

health care but how we deliver health care. We must move away from the current

medical model of crisis care and it's over reliance on drug therapy and surgery

and the chiropractic profession is in a perfect position to do just that. In

addition we must focus of course on prevention but prevention in the minds of

the medicine-men is screening individuals as in screening individuals who have

known chronic disease to make sure they are being managed properly so they don't

fall into crisis and end up in the ER. Prevention in the medical world is also

screening asymptomatic individuals for unrecognized disease so they start

treatment (usually pharmacology) these are not inappropriate except when there

is the over-reliance on drug therapy when there are evidence based natural

remedies which are just as effective if not more effective without the myriad of

side affects. What has been missing is our brand of " prevention " which is

educating our patients in lay terms both to the need for positive life style

changes as well as how to start making those changes. Informing our patients is

lay terms they can understand on the why and how to " Eat Well " , " Move Well, " and

" Think Well " with the goal of empowering our patients to take ownership of their

health and wellness and in so doing drive them toward a state of optimal health

so they are less likely to fall prey to acute and chronic illness in the first

darn place now thats prevention chiropractic style. However, many of our

chiropractic colleagues choose to practice primary care and in addition to

promoting/educating health and wellness in their patients they also wish to

screen them as well to determine the state of their health and utilize evidence

based natural interventions/remedies to treat systems and organs which are in

subclinical trouble or in symptomatic trouble versus the use of toxic synthetic

drugs and all their adverse affects.

>

> With the leading edge of the baby boomers hitting 65 Jan 1 of this year the

number of Americans eligible for Medicare is now at 70+ million and growing and

the new national universal health care system (ObamaCare) will add another 38

million in 2015. There is a horrible shortage of primary care providers which I

believe is a huge opportunity for the chiropractic profession for colleagues who

wish to treat more than just musculoskeletal conditions. Chestnut would leave

the aggressive treatment of the various acute and chronic illness with natural

remedies to the naturopaths which is unrealistic both because of their shear

lack of numbers and because I and other chiropractic colleagues don't want them

having all the fun! Nothing like having a patient drop their lousy statin

drug(s) (which are causing a whole generation of congestive heart failure folks)

for niacin fish oils, clean nutrient dense diet and appropriate exercise. We

need a large number of chiropractic physicians to enter into primary care

especially here in Oregon and we need them now.

>

> To that end I am very proud off the quality education coming out of the

University of Western States in this regard they both understand the need to

promote true health and wellness in our patients, the evidence based myriad of

natural interventions, and the opportunity for the profession in regards to

primary care and the natural treatment of internal disorders. The University is

currently developing an exciting Masters of Science program in this regard so

look for it, it will be the top program of it's kind in the country.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Vern Saboe DC

>

> DR. CHESTNUT

>

>

>

>

> Okay. So Dr. and Dr. have been hammering us with Dr. Chestnut

for a while now. ly, I had been drowning in a toxic mix of Pity Party

Stress for a quite while now (Yes, I admit it, my life has been pretty

challenging of late...) and reeeeeaaaaaly didn't want to attend a seminar this

weekend

>

> But I thought, " What do they know that I don't know? What's up with all

the Chestnut fever? " Well, I have respect for both (not sure WHY I

respect him, frankly...LOL) and (I taught a smidgen of EVERYTHING he

knows--LOL). But I surrendered and paid to sit in a hotel ballroom to listen

to Dr. Chestnut this weekend.

>

> I can say without reservation that what I heard today and yesterday was

both life changing and practice changing.

> Or perhaps 'enhancing' might go far enough without using the word

'changing'? Doesn't matter. It was wonderful.

>

> It renewed my faith in the art and science of Chiropractic and gave me a

more profound understanding the profound importance of Lifestyle--as he puts it,

" Eat right, Move right, Think right " . Two wings of the same bird: Both have

to be flapping to get off the ground and catch those wind currents in order to

soar in balance and Dopamine Delight.

>

> Anyone who didn't attend this seminar (there are 3 more to come) missed

out on an opportunity to RE-CONTEXT themselves in a way that will better serve

their lives, their practices, their families and their patients. IMHO. There

is another 'Module ll " seminar coming up the weekend of 6/4 and 6/5, so you can

jump in midstream with no problem. Doesn't matter so much where you start, just

that you consider it. [Of course, some of you may already " Be There " . Good for

you. Bravo.]

>

> That said, I must qualify the statements above by saying that Dr. Herb

Freeman, with whom I had the privilege of studying for a few months a while

back, already embodies the paradigm shift Chestnut is teaching. And frankly, at

its roots, it's a Back To The Future look at the very foundations of

Chiropractic and why what we have to offer our patients--without surgery,

without drugs, without a shopping bag full of supplements, without needling,

without injections, without becoming MD-Wanna-Be's--is better than ANYTHING any

other " HealthCare " group has to offer, bar none. I guess I always 'knew

that'...sorta. What Dr. Freeman and Dr. Chestnut has gifted me with is a

renewed confidence in the art and science of Chiropractic manipulation, but also

the certainty that there is nothing better than to be a Chiropractor.

>

> " Chiropractic plus Lifestyle is greater than either of the above. "

> " We are heroes and we save lives every day. "

>

> That's all I have to say. (Not too late to sign up for the next module.)

> Amen, over and out.

>

> Yours,

> Ann , Doctor of CHIROPRACTIC

>

[Guest guest]

Not at all buddy read my two subsequent posts e.g.,"Pink Elephant" post as per the current wonderful world of pharmacology and it's wonderful statistics regarding it's cost in both financial and human terms....have a great week .....Vern

DR. CHESTNUT> > > > > Okay. So Dr. and Dr. have been hammering us with Dr. Chestnut for a while now. ly, I had been drowning in a toxic mix of Pity Party Stress for a quite while now (Yes, I admit it, my life has been pretty challenging of late...) and reeeeeaaaaaly didn't want to attend a seminar this weekend> > But I thought, "What do they know that I don't know? What's up with all the Chestnut fever?" Well, I have respect for both (not sure WHY I respect him, frankly...LOL) and (I taught a smidgen of EVERYTHING he knows--LOL). But I surrendered and paid to sit in a hotel ballroom to listen to Dr. Chestnut this weekend.> > I can say without reservation that what I heard today and yesterday was both life changing and practice changing.> Or perhaps 'enhancing' might go far enough without using the word 'changing'? Doesn't matter. It was wonderful.> > It renewed my faith in the art and science of Chiropractic and gave me a more profound understanding the profound importance of Lifestyle--as he puts it, "Eat right, Move right, Think right". Two wings of the same bird: Both have to be flapping to get off the ground and catch those wind currents in order to soar in balance and Dopamine Delight.> > Anyone who didn't attend this seminar (there are 3 more to come) missed out on an opportunity to RE-CONTEXT themselves in a way that will better serve their lives, their practices, their families and their patients. IMHO. There is another 'Module ll" seminar coming up the weekend of 6/4 and 6/5, so you can jump in midstream with no problem. Doesn't matter so much where you start, just that you consider it. [Of course, some of you may already "Be There". Good for you. Bravo.]> > That said, I must qualify the statements above by saying that Dr. Herb Freeman, with whom I had the privilege of studying for a few months a while back, already embodies the paradigm shift Chestnut is teaching. And frankly, at its roots, it's a Back To The Future look at the very foundations of Chiropractic and why what we have to offer our patients--without surgery, without drugs, without a shopping bag full of supplements, without needling, without injections, without becoming MD-Wanna-Be's--is better than ANYTHING any other "HealthCare" group has to offer, bar none. I guess I always 'knew that'...sorta. What Dr. Freeman and Dr. Chestnut has gifted me with is a renewed confidence in the art and science of Chiropractic manipulation, but also the certainty that there is nothing better than to be a Chiropractor. > > "Chiropractic plus Lifestyle is greater than either of the above."> "We are heroes and we save lives every day."> > That's all I have to say. (Not too late to sign up for the next module.)> Amen, over and out.> > Yours,> Ann , Doctor of CHIROPRACTIC>

[Guest guest]

" the funny thing is they are trying to buy a ticket on a train that is going the wrong way anyhow"

Absolutely. 95% of my patients state that they are "Not pill takers and dislike taking drugs"

It's why they are in our office folks.

BTW, I believe the legislature shot down the NM bill.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: spbkchiro97132

Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:47 PM

Subject: Re: john coming to Herb's defense... he's right!

Vern: I love you too Uncle Vern and I love Dr. Herb as well, but Herb is right on the money re. UWS. I went to Western States too and have much respect for many components of that program. But Herb is right if he is referring to Dr. Brimhall going down to New Mexico recently and trying to help bring drugs into their scope of practice? Is this future UWS Masters Program designed to be the entree needed (according to the proposed NM bill which failed, thankfully) to have a so-called "enhanced practice"? If so, UWS will have a fight on his hands in from DCs that will likely be stronger than the opposition of the medicos. I personally will fight vehemently to keep drugs out of the scope of practice of MY profession (as is my right). And we can kiss unity goodbye in our state, for sure.I feel sorry for DCs who feel strongly the other way, I don't dislike them, I understand their frustration and I know where they are coming from and I also know their argument that they feel you have to be able to prescribe a drug to even discuss the issue with the patient (ridiculous). But I just feel bad for them because I know they just REALLY don't get it. And the funny thing is they are trying to buy a ticket on a train that is going the wrong way anyhow. Just when there is a cultural awakening to the scientific-futility of pharmaceutical-based health care, these DCs want to get past the velvet ropes into a party that is all but over. If a chiro wants to prescribe meds, go ahead and get your NP degree or your PA degree or your MD or DO or even ND degree. But please leave us DCs alone.Vern: I hope you are not being lured back to the dark side. ;-) >> Love ya Herb but not true as per the University of Western States rather just the opposite. Key to true health care reform is not just changing how we fund health care but how we deliver health care. We must move away from the current medical model of crisis care and it's over reliance on drug therapy and surgery and the chiropractic profession is in a perfect position to do just that. In addition we must focus of course on prevention but prevention in the minds of the medicine-men is screening individuals as in screening individuals who have known chronic disease to make sure they are being managed properly so they don't fall into crisis and end up in the ER. Prevention in the medical world is also screening asymptomatic individuals for unrecognized disease so they start treatment (usually pharmacology) these are not inappropriate except when there is the over-reliance on drug therapy when there are evidence based natural remedies which are just as effective if not more effective without the myriad of side affects. What has been missing is our brand of "prevention" which is educating our patients in lay terms both to the need for positive life style changes as well as how to start making those changes. Informing our patients is lay terms they can understand on the why and how to "Eat Well", "Move Well," and "Think Well" with the goal of empowering our patients to take ownership of their health and wellness and in so doing drive them toward a state of optimal health so they are less likely to fall prey to acute and chronic illness in the first darn place now thats prevention chiropractic style. However, many of our chiropractic colleagues choose to practice primary care and in addition to promoting/educating health and wellness in their patients they also wish to screen them as well to determine the state of their health and utilize evidence based natural interventions/remedies to treat systems and organs which are in subclinical trouble or in symptomatic trouble versus the use of toxic synthetic drugs and all their adverse affects. > > With the leading edge of the baby boomers hitting 65 Jan 1 of this year the number of Americans eligible for Medicare is now at 70+ million and growing and the new national universal health care system (ObamaCare) will add another 38 million in 2015. There is a horrible shortage of primary care providers which I believe is a huge opportunity for the chiropractic profession for colleagues who wish to treat more than just musculoskeletal conditions. Chestnut would leave the aggressive treatment of the various acute and chronic illness with natural remedies to the naturopaths which is unrealistic both because of their shear lack of numbers and because I and other chiropractic colleagues don't want them having all the fun! Nothing like having a patient drop their lousy statin drug(s) (which are causing a whole generation of congestive heart failure folks) for niacin fish oils, clean nutrient dense diet and appropriate exercise. We need a large number of chiropractic phys icians to enter into primary care especially here in Oregon and we need them now.> > To that end I am very proud off the quality education coming out of the University of Western States in this regard they both understand the need to promote true health and wellness in our patients, the evidence based myriad of natural interventions, and the opportunity for the profession in regards to primary care and the natural treatment of internal disorders. The University is currently developing an exciting Masters of Science program in this regard so look for it, it will be the top program of it's kind in the country.> > Cheers,> > Vern Saboe DC> > DR. CHESTNUT> > > > > Okay. So Dr. and Dr. have been hammering us with Dr. Chestnut for a while now. ly, I had been drowning in a toxic mix of Pity Party Stress for a quite while now (Yes, I admit it, my life has been pretty challenging of late...) and reeeeeaaaaaly didn't want to attend a seminar this weekend> > But I thought, "What do they know that I don't know? What's up with all the Chestnut fever?" Well, I have respect for both (not sure WHY I respect him, frankly...LOL) and (I taught a smidgen of EVERYTHING he knows--LOL). But I surrendered and paid to sit in a hotel ballroom to listen to Dr. Chestnut this weekend.> > I can say without reservation that what I heard today and yesterday was both life changing and practice changing.> Or perhaps 'enhancing' might go far enough without using the word 'changing'? Doesn't matter. It was wonderful.> > It renewed my faith in the art and science of Chiropractic and gave me a more profound understanding the profound importance of Lifestyle--as he puts it, "Eat right, Move right, Think right". Two wings of the same bird: Both have to be flapping to get off the ground and catch those wind currents in order to soar in balance and Dopamine Delight.> > Anyone who didn't attend this seminar (there are 3 more to come) missed out on an opportunity to RE-CONTEXT themselves in a way that will better serve their lives, their practices, their families and their patients. IMHO. There is another 'Module ll" seminar coming up the weekend of 6/4 and 6/5, so you can jump in midstream with no problem. Doesn't matter so much where you start, just that you consider it. [Of course, some of you may already "Be There". Good for you. Bravo.]> > That said, I must qualify the statements above by saying that Dr. Herb Freeman, with whom I had the privilege of studying for a few months a while back, already embodies the paradigm shift Chestnut is teaching. And frankly, at its roots, it's a Back To The Future look at the very foundations of Chiropractic and why what we have to offer our patients--without surgery, without drugs, without a shopping bag full of supplements, without needling, without injections, without becoming MD-Wanna-Be's--is better than ANYTHING any other "HealthCare" group has to offer, bar none. I guess I always 'knew that'...sorta. What Dr. Freeman and Dr. Chestnut has gifted me with is a renewed confidence in the art and science of Chiropractic manipulation, but also the certainty that there is nothing better than to be a Chiropractor. > > "Chiropractic plus Lifestyle is greater than either of the above."> "We are heroes and we save lives every day."> > That's all I have to say. (Not too late to sign up for the next module.)> Amen, over and out.> > Yours,> Ann , Doctor of CHIROPRACTIC>