17 year old female with digestive issues

March 16, 2011

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna

<tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesnâ€™t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Found this short but informative editorial: "Gluten sensitivity as a neurological illness" (sensitivity defined as + for antigliadin antibodies): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1737870/pdf/v072p00560.pdfMany of the symptoms are ones that bring patients to the Chiropractor, i.e. headache, ataxia... Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:41:44 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna

<tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Hi Joe,

It is an allergy but, as with the milk, that is only the mechanism of destruction. With celiac disease, the gastrointestinal villa are disfigured and blunted, compromising digestion/absorption and metabolism of many other foods. So, yes, the wheat can be an instigator but the gi physiologic mechanism provokes broader-ranging symptomatology for that person.

My daughter's problem was first noticed at the age of 3 1/2. I was an LVN at the time and somehow 'knew' immediately what her problem was. The MDs (including my father-in-law) told me I was crazy. But, for the next 3 years, all her little body would/could take in was rice and peas....literally. For the next 3 years, she lived on rice and peas. Anything else would put her in bed (and me out of work) for the next 3 days. Despite sending her with her food every day, I had to BEG the day-care center NOT to give her 'just a little bit' of the cakes and pies and cupcakes and cookies brought in by other moms. They just wouldn't understand. Then, one day she decided to fix herself a peanut butter sandwich (she got SO tired of rice and peas) ....and didn't have any problems. We were ecstatic! She didn't seem to have any problem for the next 15 years and then the symptomatoly came back, not as fiercely but enough to disrupt her life. All is settled now but it was not fun while she sorted it all out.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:41:44 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesnâ€™t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

.....which brings us full circle back to Dr. Chestnut's admonishment of our 'moral responsibility' to treat these people. They do not receive the needed attention from the allopaths.....we are their only hope (NDs included) .... my experience was that the allopaths actually laughed at me as being a 'too-fretful mom'. Gues that is actually what got me started with the nutritional studies. Maybe their arrogance, stupidity and insensitivity did me a favor.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

From: dcdocbrian@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:58:11 -0700Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Found this short but informative editorial:

"Gluten sensitivity as a neurological illness" (sensitivity defined as + for antigliadin antibodies): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1737870/pdf/v072p00560.pdf

Many of the symptoms are ones that bring patients to the Chiropractor, i.e. headache, ataxia... Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

From: pdxchiroguy@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:41:44 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 ; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

You can ... celiac is the distinct minority.

sk

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Here is additional comment on gluten sensitivity.Dr. Alan hi alan,

there's MONEY in telling people they are gluten intolerant

and giving them diagnostic tests that don't work.

i gave them a gold standard test- buy seitan and eat

four ounces. if you don't get sick you don't have it.

most of these people are nuts. they see gluten in everything.

they believe the tiniest amounts of gluten are toxic.

the truth is that the tiny per cent of people who are

gluten intolerant have to eat a substantial amount of

it to feel any effects.

the bottom line is this- the vast majority of people who

claim to be intolerant are terminal NEUROTICS. they

are very sick in their MINDS. the see gluten hiding

under every rock. their entire life revolves around avoiding

gluten. they are classic obssessive-compulsive neurotics.

then they buy junk food that is "gluten free" and eat

shit all day. most of them love eggs, poultry, meat,

and especially DAIRY. most of them are sugar addicts

as well. it took me a long time to learn this.

the LITERATURE proves this is a very rare condition

affecting about maybe 1 in 135 people. big deal!!!!

one in three american children will grow up diabetic.

deal with that!!!

best,

roger ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:35:35 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

I am a skeptic. therefore I try to read as much as I can about such things. There is a lot of evidence in support of gluten sensitivity. Even if all you consider is gluten enteropathy the estimate is 1/132. That's a lot of people. Maybe not you but someone on your block, your neighbor maybe. Money? Straw man argument. The real money is in drugs. Like Statins for cholesterol, when the overwhelming evidence points to other chief factors for CV disease, and lots of side effects associated with the questionable practice of cholesterol lowering. The side effect of avoiding gluten? Show me one. Eat your vegies and good sources of protein and where is the problem? Substitute rice flour for wheat flour in your brownies and over consume and now you have a problem. You can practice however you want within our scope. So can I, using what I believe to be evidence based resources. The practice of health care is more than the treatment of presenting pain, but in the promotion of optimum wellness, IMHO. I enjoy adjusting, I think it is a very important part of Chiropractic, but since the time of DD it did not define us. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724From: spinetree@...To: ; dcdocbrian@...Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issuesDate: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:35:35 -0700

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Wow. Terminal neurotics?This diagnosis covered in our scope?I'm with , if I understand correctly, people who successfully go through avoiding wheat also avoid other sources of complex carbs and will be healthier. More vegies and additive free meats in one's diet will generally lead to better health. Hard to find a problem here. Some of my patients have found they are less apt to crave sugars as their metabolisms get back on track. Cholesterol and blood pressure goes down. They have more energy. Guess it's some kind of neurosis.Annette SimardOn Mar 16, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Alan wrote:

Here is additional comment on gluten sensitivity.Dr. Alan hi alan,

there's MONEY in telling people they are gluten intolerant

and giving them diagnostic tests that don't work.

i gave them a gold standard test- buy seitan and eat

four ounces. if you don't get sick you don't have it.

most of these people are nuts. they see gluten in everything.

they believe the tiniest amounts of gluten are toxic.

the truth is that the tiny per cent of people who are

gluten intolerant have to eat a substantial amount of

it to feel any effects.

the bottom line is this- the vast majority of people who

claim to be intolerant are terminal NEUROTICS. they

are very sick in their MINDS. the see gluten hiding

under every rock. their entire life revolves around avoiding

gluten. they are classic obssessive-compulsive neurotics.

then they buy junk food that is "gluten free" and eat

shit all day. most of them love eggs, poultry, meat,

and especially DAIRY. most of them are sugar addicts

as well. it took me a long time to learn this.

the LITERATURE proves this is a very rare condition

affecting about maybe 1 in 135 people. big deal!!!!

one in three american children will grow up diabetic.

deal with that!!!

best,

roger ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:35:35 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Guess we all have a different understanding of how much is too much .... 30% to me is a LOT!

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

From: alansmithdc@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:45:34 -0600Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Here is additional comment on gluten sensitivity.Dr. Alan hi alan,there's MONEY in telling people they are gluten intolerantand giving them diagnostic tests that don't work.i gave them a gold standard test- buy seitan and eatfour ounces. if you don't get sick you don't have it.most of these people are nuts. they see gluten in everything.they believe the tiniest amounts of gluten are toxic.the truth is that the tiny per cent of people who aregluten intolerant have to eat a substantial amount ofit to feel any effects. the bottom line is this- the vast majority of people whoclaim to be intolerant are terminal NEUROTICS. theyare very sick in their MINDS. the see gluten hidingunder every rock. their entire life revolves around avoidinggluten. they are classic obssessive-compulsive neurotics.then they buy junk food that is "gluten free" and eatshit all day. most of them love eggs, poultry, meat,and especially DAIRY. most of them are sugar addictsas well. it took me a long time to learn this.the LITERATURE proves this is a very rare conditionaffecting about maybe 1 in 135 people. big deal!!!!one in three american children will grow up diabetic.deal with that!!!best,roger

; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:35:35 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Name calling? Really? Is that where we want to go with this subject on our professional listserve?Jay Lindekugel, DCFrom: Alan <alansmithdc@...> < >Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 12:45:34 PMSubject: RE:

Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Here is additional comment on gluten sensitivity.Dr. Alan hi alan,

there's MONEY in telling people they are gluten intolerant

and giving them diagnostic tests that don't work.

i gave them a gold standard test- buy seitan and eat

four ounces. if you don't get sick you don't have it.

most of these people are nuts. they see gluten in everything.

they believe the tiniest amounts of gluten are toxic.

the truth is that the tiny per cent of people who are

gluten intolerant have to eat a substantial amount of

it to feel any effects.

the bottom line is this- the vast majority of people who

claim to be intolerant are terminal NEUROTICS. they

are very sick in their MINDS. the see gluten hiding

under every rock. their entire life revolves around avoiding

gluten. they are classic obssessive-compulsive neurotics.

then they buy junk food that is "gluten free" and eat

shit all day. most of them love eggs, poultry, meat,

and especially DAIRY. most of them are sugar addicts

as well. it took me a long time to learn this.

the LITERATURE proves this is a very rare condition

affecting about maybe 1 in 135 people. big deal!!!!

one in three american children will grow up diabetic.

deal with that!!!

best,

roger ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:35:35 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesnâ€™t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

The sad issue here is that this man poses as an expert, when in fact he is obstinately refusing a significant amount of research and then labeling patient's with these kinds of health issues terminal neurotics.

He claims to be a myth buster and nutritional expert. What are his credentials... he qoutes from studies that are 8.... yes folks 8 years old... to substantiate his claims ( 2003), yet labels any patient or physician in a detrimental way who actually reads and follows the research. All the while promoting his protocols and products.

What a great mind to pattern oneself after......

Danno

Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Dear Alan, please speak for yourself and no through Mr Mason's words. It's banter and there is no place for it on a professional listserv.Guess who the majority of my patient base is? The ones that have been everywhere else. Many are referred in from my chiro buddies. They come to the naturopath after they've been through the MD's, through the DC's, through everything and they are fried. And sick. Usually very sick. Taking people off gluten is 1) super easy 2) really inexpensive (I only test if they insist, we give it a two week trial, best test out there- and FREE) 3) No money in it for me what so ever. In fact, when they get so much better from getting the gluten out of their system their pain goes down, their migraines go away, they feel great, they need far less visits. (I don't make profit off my labs even if I run them).If I was out for money I would adjust them 30 times and inject the heck out of them, then mention that I think there might be a gluten issue we've not uncovered. Why not start with diet? Diet is 99% of everything. Get the offending foods out, they need many, many less visits. And less supplements and less hormones. (that means less money for me, the doctor).I test blood on every person that walks in my door. I see common trends that show malabsorption, low vitamin levels, low cholesterol levels, low ferritin. They usually have poor bone density and a parent with wicked osteoporosis. They often have a random ROS that has check marks all over the page. Guess what that adds up to? Intestinal inflammation, no doubt due to a gluten sensitivity. I also see positive ANA's and thyroid antibodies DAILY. The ONLY link in the medical literature to autoimmune disease is gluten sensitivity. There are over 600 citations.I posted an article earlier, I'll repost it here. Gluten senitivity is now considered a real issue and doesn't need to be frank Celiac to be a problem. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704893604576200393522456636.html. "For the first time, we have scientific evidence that indeed, gluten sensitivity not only exists, but is very different from celiac disease,"

says lead author Alessio Fasano, medical director of the University of land's Center for Celiac Research. Tyna , ND, DCLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246www.corewellnesspdx.comwww.lakeoswegochiro.comwww.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

"Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms.....but how often?" - Very Often! Most often it takes a lot of detective work to uncover because often the symptoms are NOT immediate. For food allergies, symptoms may not begin until 24 or more hours later. I first read that in well-researched literature about 30 years ago....NOT new info.As Tyna says, it cost nothing but a little effort to totally eliminate all gluten for 2 weeks. If the person feels better, it seems to me there may be a correlation. At minimum 5% of my patients are gluten intolerant.Many people won't totally eliminate gluten, and then we think they're okay with gluten and they're not. Food allergies are often also food addictions. People fight and argue hard and strong when they don't want to give up something they are addicted to. The patient needs to totally understand that they must absolutely totally eliminate ALL gluten for an accurate test. The doctor's attitude can be supportive or not.....that will skew results, because if we don't fully explain and ask all the right questions, we may get false negatives.I don't have the time to engage in a battle. I suggest that with an open mind, you add this info to help your patients.

Janet L Rueger, DCCertified in CraniopathyCertified BodyTalk Practitioner149 Clear Creek Dr., # 105Ashland, OR, 97520541-690-6799bodytalk@...

On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:35 PM, ph Medlin wrote:

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 16, 2011

Perhaps those people are neurotic because of the food sensitivities...read the literature, please. Or the food sensitivities have added to a mild neurosis. Think it through.....what happens when a person has symptoms but no one around them believes them or supports them in care that helps them? They either become more of a victim or become very angry, generally.

Janet L Rueger, DCCertified BodyTalk Practitioner149 Clear Creek Dr., # 105Ashland, OR, 97520541-690-6799bodytalk@...

On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Alan wrote:

Here is additional comment on gluten sensitivity.Dr. Alan hi alan,

there's MONEY in telling people they are gluten intolerant

and giving them diagnostic tests that don't work.

i gave them a gold standard test- buy seitan and eat

four ounces. if you don't get sick you don't have it.

most of these people are nuts. they see gluten in everything.

they believe the tiniest amounts of gluten are toxic.

the truth is that the tiny per cent of people who are

gluten intolerant have to eat a substantial amount of

it to feel any effects.

the bottom line is this- the vast majority of people who

claim to be intolerant are terminal NEUROTICS. they

are very sick in their MINDS. the see gluten hiding

under every rock. their entire life revolves around avoiding

gluten. they are classic obssessive-compulsive neurotics.

then they buy junk food that is "gluten free" and eat

shit all day. most of them love eggs, poultry, meat,

and especially DAIRY. most of them are sugar addicts

as well. it took me a long time to learn this.

the LITERATURE proves this is a very rare condition

affecting about maybe 1 in 135 people. big deal!!!!

one in three american children will grow up diabetic.

deal with that!!!

best,

roger ; dcdocbrian@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:35:35 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesn’t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 17, 2011

Joe and ,Since the point seems to be that gluten sensitivity is way over-diagnosed (which is the take of most people), let's look at the conservative numbers both sides of the issue seem to agree on: 1/133 have full-blown celiac disease. (Though most experts in this area feel this is just the tip of the iceberg as regards the larger category of gluten sensitivity)I have no idea how many patients you see per week in your clinic, but it is reasonable to imagine missing one case Per Month or at least every six months in a busy clinic. If a chiropractor has never in 10-20 years of practice tested or sent a patient for testing for some sort of gluten sensitivity, couldn't we assume that they are Under-diagnosing this condition?And if it seems that those of us who do

see that this is an under-diagnosed condition are a little sensitive about the issue, it is just our personal/clinical experience of watching dozens of family members and patients get really sick and then miraculously recover with the withdrawal of gluten. I am certain that my personal experience has made me a little hypersensitive to the issue. Best to you both,Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...>oregon

DCs < >; BRIAN SEITZ <dcdocbrian@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 12:35:35 PMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Get back to me when the test IS sensitive enough and we DO know.

Again, my point is that this is Over diagnosed, and it's easy to see why when there is such fervor even when one simply suggests that it's over diagnosed. I love when an opposing view is deemed uneducated and assumed to have not read the literature. There are studies that refute your studies, but the point is that like you said "who knows at this point".

Take a deep breath. It's not the devil, and we should be careful as chiropractic physicians in recommending life altering diets as an experiment on a hunch. "They feel better though" you may say, well, that may or may not have to do with gluten specifically. Obviously with Celiac Disease one can be aggressive in this, but for every headache or tingling in the hands and feet coming into the office, Gluten Sensitivity is Waayayyyyyyy down the list in my concerns.

You're going to have to accept that you have colleagues that are skeptical, and that this issue of gluten intolerance being mutually exclusive from celiac disease is yet unproven and contentious with a lot of money to be made.

For the last time, For me, this is not an issue of whether it exists, it's about Prevalence. Allergies of all kinds can cause systemic symptoms beyond coughing, sneezing, rashes etc......but how often

ph Medlin D.C.

From: BRIAN SEITZ

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:43 AM

oregon DCs

Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

"Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease."

Really? Come on, read the published studies! Granted, most of what I treat are MS conditions, but the literature shows (as in examples i have posted over the last couple days) that there are many real and serious conditions affecting many different organs and systems as a result of gluten sensitivity, in patients w/o celiac disease. How common? If the test is not sensitive enough who knows at this point. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

; pdxchiroguy@...From: spinetree@...Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:25:32 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

It's not 100% reaction to wheat, But is 100% to gluten. I misspoke, I should have said not 100% are wheat sensitive. Where we run into difficulty is that there are folks that believe that you can have sensitivity to Gluten and not have Celiac Disease.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lindekugel

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Joe,Isn't celiac disease by definition an immune reaction to wheat? Doesn't that make 100% of celiac patients sensitive or allergic to wheat?Best, Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211

From: ph Medlin <spinetree@...> ; Tyna <tyna.moore@...>Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:48:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Hi Tyna,

No offense intended. You'll see that I said "just about any ND's office" not every. But according to you even: "I diagnose and treat gluten intolerance all day long, it is real, it is a major issue and for those of us who suffer from it, a very real problem" and "Then there is the whole gluten-autoimmune connection. Every single day I diagnose autoimmune disease, not an exaggeration. It's an epidemic. We know that gluten fans that flame (again, in the literature).

So... If you are diagnosing autoimmune disease every day, you're certainly tying gluten sensitivity into that as well on a daily basis which makes it sort of your "catch all treatment" for autoimmune disorders.

Look, I'm not saying Celiac disease doesnâ€™t exist. Far from it. I agree that it's right around 1 in a 125 people. Of those, certainly not 100% are gluten sensitive, but have a different sensitivity.

I'm also not saying that some folks don't eat too much of it. They do and would benefit and feel better by reducing the levels. My only point is I feel the fad of Gluten Sensitivity has resulted in over diagnosis.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Tyna

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Wow, ph, thanks for the blanket statement regarding ND's!

Yes, I do find it unsuccessful at times. It's not my "catch all" treatment, just like adjusting the upper cervicals is not the only thing you offer.

Even MD's agree that 1-100 to 120 people in the US have frank Celiac. I see a lot of great results clinically by fishing out which foods patient's are intolerant too, just as DC's we find their structural faults and attempt to correct them.

Tyna , ND, DC

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246

www.corewellnesspdx.com

www.lakeoswegochiro.com

www.renegadewellness.org

March 17, 2011