17 year old female with digestive issues

March 11, 2011

Hello all,

I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down.

She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been

going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus

is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of

experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the

next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a " natural "

approach.

Thanks,

Brad A. Cockman, DC

March 14, 2011

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the

inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus

thru the diaphragm.

Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC

5223 NE Sandy blvd.

Portland, OR 97213

503-805-3865

>

> Hello all,

>

> I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food

down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has

been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the

esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot

of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the

next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a " natural "

approach.

>

> Thanks,

> Brad A. Cockman, DC

>

March 14, 2011

I would look into gluten sensitivity. Diagnosed cases are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I've discovered Cyrex Labs recently and will be running their test kits on a bunch of my patients once I receive them this week. You can check them out online. I'm excited about the potential of the test results. I can let you know how the results are if you are interested.

Schacker, DC CCSP

Apex Wellness Center

Portland, OR

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action

would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

ll of t hese suggestions are good ... but, check for that hiatal hernia first ... I am finding it more and more in 'healthy', 'skinny', athletes.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

; drt@...From: rschacker@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:57 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

I would look into gluten sensitivity. Diagnosed cases are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I've discovered Cyrex Labs recently and will be running their test kits on a bunch of my patients once I receive them this week. You can check them out online. I'm excited about the potential of the test results. I can let you know how the results are if you are interested.

Schacker, DC CCSP

Apex Wellness Center

Portland, OR

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

True thatDr. Todd Turnbull, DCOn Mar 14, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Sunny Kierstyn <skrndc1@...> wrote:

ll of t hese suggestions are good ... but, check for that hiatal hernia first ... I am finding it more and more in 'healthy', 'skinny', athletes.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

; drt@...From: rschacker@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:57 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

I would look into gluten sensitivity. Diagnosed cases are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I've discovered Cyrex Labs recently and will be running their test kits on a bunch of my patients once I receive them this week. You can check them out online. I'm excited about the potential of the test results. I can let you know how the results are if you are interested.

Schacker, DC CCSP

Apex Wellness Center

Portland, OR

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

From my favorite nutrition author, Mason, inventor of Beta Prostate Formula and nutritional myth buster.Alan D.C.

Celiac Disease Myth- Mason

Celiac disease, or gluten

intolerance, is a widely promoted myth. The truth of the matter

is that this is a relatively rare condition. Wheat allergies are

very rare. All this talk about “gluten intolerance” and “gluten

free foods” is ridiculous. This is very difficult to diagnose, and

cannot be diagnosed with certainty. The current diagnostic tests are

just not reliable at all. The media has pushed this for some reason,

as if it is some kind of epidem-ic. Only about 1 in 133 people possibly

have this. Please note the word, “possibly”. The figure

may be much lower- more like 1 in 200, or less. Many studies have confirmed

this, especially the University of land in Baltimore (Archives

of Internal Medicine v 163, 2003) That figure may be far

too high, as you just cannot definitely diagnose this conclusively.

It is true that all digestive diseases have increased dramatically in

the last fifty years. Poor digestion is epidemic in Western societies

due to our hideous diets. Celiac affects your 22 feet of small intestine.

The common symptoms are diarrhea, ab-dominal pain, flatulence, physical

weakness, and weight loss. The diagnosis is basically guesswork, and

really only verifies you have a digestive problem. Do not get a biopsy,

as it is expensive, painful, invasive, unnecessary, and harmful. Yes,

there is a genetic factor here, but it really is for weak digestion,

and not necessarily gluten intolerance at all. Many people really have

irritable bowel syndrome, and not gluten intolerance. Levels of serum

antigliadin antibodies and antiendomysial antibodies are not specific

predictors. Impaired digestion results in damaged intestinal walls or

“leaky gut syndrome”. Here one has multiple unknown food allergies.

No food allergy test on earth works. That’s a fact. None of them

are accurate. One thing you can do is buy seitan (say tan) from a health

food store, and eat about four ounces of it to see if you react. It

is the purest form of gluten. People with any of these serious digestive

issues are far more prone to most dis-eases, and live shorter lives.

Your digestive system really is the heart of your health and immunity.

Read the article Good Health Begins with Good Digestion.

For god’s sake, we eat twice

the calories we need, we eat twice the protein we need, and we eat eight times the fat

we need. Most all those fats are saturated, artery-clogging ani-mal

fats. We eat 160 pounds of various sugars we don’t need at all. We

are overfed and undernourished. Our food is refined, preserved, and

chemical laden. We eat a mere 1% whole grains, when we should be eating

50% whole grains. Is it any wonder so many people have digestive problems?

Have you noticed most

all the “gluten-free” products are overpriced junk food?

Gluten-free cakes, gluten-free cookies, gluten-free pies, gluten-free

donuts, gluten-free cupcakes, gluten-free muffins, gluten-free pizza,

and just more crap. Do people think they are going to get well eating

that kind of stuff? They usually eat a lot of meat, dairy, poultry,

and eggs. They think they are going to get well eating animal protein,

fat, and cholesterol??? What is the big deal here? If you think you

are gluten intolerant, just stop eating wheat, barley, and rye (also kamut,

triticale and spelt). How many people do you know that eat barley and

rye with any regularity? That means you just avoid wheat for, say, one

month, and see if you get better. You can find many healthy, whole grain

baked goods that do not use wheat, including bread, rolls, tortillas,

and pastas.

You will generally see serious

neurotic obsessive-compulsive behavior with people who claim to be gluten

intolerant. Their whole lives seem to revolve around avoiding gluten.

They see gluten in everything.

They think all their health problems are due to gluten, even though

they don’t eat any. They claim even the tiniest amount of gluten will

put make them deathly ill. One woman told me should could only drink

vodka from potatoes! (Gluten cannot be distilled folks.) You find irrational

obsessive behavior in most of them. It would be very revealing to see

a psychological profile of such people. Again, they have no proof at

all that they are, in fact, gluten intolerant. The current tests are

just not reliable at all. The ones who claim this rarely have the proven

symptoms.

The real issue here is that

people who think they are gluten intolerant certainly do have a digestive

issue. This is rather easy to cure naturally. Read the article

Good Health Begins With Good Digestion. Read my book Zen

Macrobiotics for Americans. Eat only macrobiotic foods. Eat lots

of brown rice, oats, corn, buckwheat, and millet. Eat lots of beans

and legumes. Eat lots of cooked green and yellow vegetables. Limit fruit

to 10% of your diet. Eat 10% seafood if you want. Limit any raw foods

to 10% of your diet, as they are harder to digest than cooked foods.

Eat two meals a day. Fast one day a week on water. It is very

important you fast every week to give your digestive system a chance

to rest and heal. Join our two day monthly Young Again International

Fast if you like. If you are under 40, take the Supplements for

Younger People (read the article with the same name) and add glutamine.

If you are over 40 take all the supplements recommended in the Zen Macrobiotics

book. Buy bulk glutamine and take 1 tablespoon a day for a year. You

can take ½ tablespoon AM and PM. Take two capsules of (200:1) aloe

vera for a year. Take FOS and acidophilus twice a day AM and PM. Our

acidophilus is refrigerated, has 6 billion units per capsule, with 8

different strains. Only use refrigerated acidophilus.

Do not concentrate on healing

your digestive system; concentrate on healing your whole body. Holistic

medicine is whole body medicine. Treat your whole body, and your digest-ion

will improve dramatically very shortly. The celiac epidemic is a myth,

but digestive disorders generally are an epidemic. You can cure these

disorders with a total program of diet and lifestyle. Cure yours naturally

without drugs or surgery.

Celiac diseases and gluten

intolerance is a very rare condition. The epidemic of gluten-free products

is merely another way for criminals to make money from stupid people.

Another media creation of a

crisis that doesn’t exist. CC: rschacker@...; To: skrndc1@...From: drt@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:20:29 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

True thatDr. Todd Turnbull, DCOn Mar 14, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Sunny Kierstyn <skrndc1@...> wrote:

ll of t hese suggestions are good ... but, check for that hiatal hernia first ... I am finding it more and more in 'healthy', 'skinny', athletes.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

; drt@...From: rschacker@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:57 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

I would look into gluten sensitivity. Diagnosed cases are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I've discovered Cyrex Labs recently and will be running their test kits on a bunch of my patients once I receive them this week. You can check them out online. I'm excited about the potential of the test results. I can let you know how the results are if you are interested.

Schacker, DC CCSP

Apex Wellness Center

Portland, OR

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

Sorry Alan

While there is creedance in the aspect of your nutritional myth buster'sview on the cruddy gluten free products available there is plenty of research that contradicts his position.

In fact gluten is in more foods than you might believe and it is not quite so simple as avoiding wheat products. While we all know and have that obssessive/comp patient that takes things to the nth degree, liking people who respond adversely to gluten to an obssessive/comp disorder is akin to calling all choirpractor's quacks.

If you are going to claim yourself as an expert you had better be able to refute the research. People like WEb MD, Wilkipedia, Wall street Journal article , thyroid research centers, etc, etc, etc, do your own DD. This article is more along the lines of self promotion.

Danno

Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

I am insultated by this ignoramus. By the way, I don't believe he has any credentials for his opinions. Yes, there are not good tests, but I will attest that gluten and wheat allergies are real and prevalent. I diagnose them nearly daily. The health impacts on my patients when they remove gluten is almost beyond belief. One 45 year old guy got rid of a lifelong daily puffer (allbuerol) one month after eliminating gluten. a 14 year old got rid of asthma in about the same length of time. A woman in her 60's with a 5 year history of stomach aches that no one could figure out came to me from her therapist, literally starving to death. I had a hunch her problem could be gluten because she was hardly eating anything except crackers and toast. She was pissed to eliminate the only foods she felt good about, but in 2.5 weeks she had no stomach ache. She went on to gain 20 needed pounds and get her life back together. I believe the current thinking is that more than 1:4 have a problem with gluten. Ann Goldeen

Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

All,

I agree with Ann on this one. At first glance it may seem this guy is accurate because the actual diagnosis of celiac disease is rare. The problem found by the Mayo clinic is that gluten can cause a myriad of other low level problems that are not related to the gut. Celiac disease is only one area that gluten affects.

I wondered why a 'staple' food would be causing this, but after reading that nearly all wheat in America has been genetically modified and now has 40% higher gluten content than 15 yrs ago, I can appreciate the relationship of allergic manifestations to gluten. I would again urge those interested in this subject to contact Marsha Peoples at UWS (503) 256-3180 and ask to check out the NMS complications with gluten intolerant patients. 2008 symposium, I think it was. The CD is about 3 hours long, but can take longer to finish if you stop it to copy all the citations. It's really really interesting. There are % of involvement depending on the tissue type reactions to gluten. The speaker cites % involvement in thyroid, NMS, brain cells, and more. He presents case studies and tests to use with your patients. It's an eye opener.

Minga Guerrero DC

Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

I am insultated by this ignoramus. By the way, I don't believe he has any credentials for his opinions. Yes, there are not good tests, but I will attest that gluten and wheat allergies are real and prevalent. I diagnose them nearly daily. The health impacts on my patients when they remove gluten is almost beyond belief. One 45 year old guy got rid of a lifelong daily puffer (allbuerol) one month after eliminating gluten. a 14 year old got rid of asthma in about the same length of time. A woman in her 60's with a 5 year history of stomach aches that no one could figure out came to me from her therapist, literally starving to death. I had a hunch her problem could be gluten because she was hardly eating anything except crackers and toast. She was pissed to eliminate the only foods she felt good about, but in 2.5 weeks she had no stomach ache. She went on to gain 20 needed pounds and get her life back together. I believe the current thinking is that more than 1:4 have a problem with gluten. Ann Goldeen

Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.

Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC

5223 NE Sandy blvd.

Portland, OR 97213

503-805-3865

>

> Hello all,

>

> I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.

>

> Thanks,

> Brad A. Cockman, DC

>

March 14, 2011

Alan,

I completely agree that most GF foods are overpriced junk foods. I did not say the patient needed to buy these or have a biopsy. I have been dissappointed in the available tests. Like I said before, look at what Cyrex labs have to offer. One test is for 12 different wheat-derived antigens, testing for both IgA & IgG for each, not just alpha gliaden.

http://www.cyrexlabs.com/CyrexTestsArrays/tabid/136/Default.aspx

And as a person who avoids gluten I am glad I can eat my cake too sometimes.

Schacker

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot

of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

Alan,

I completely agree that most GF foods are overpriced junk foods. I did not say the patient needed to buy these or have a biopsy. I have been dissappointed in the available tests. Like I said before, look at what Cyrex labs have to offer. One test is for 12 different wheat-derived antigens, testing for both IgA & IgG for each, not just alpha gliaden.

http://www.cyrexlabs.com/CyrexTestsArrays/tabid/136/Default.aspx

And as a person who avoids gluten I am glad I can eat my cake too sometimes.

Schacker

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot

of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

From: dcdocbrian@...To: rschacker@...Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issuesDate: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:15:36 -0700

This is just one of the numerous articles available with a simple search, rather than relying on information from an individual with suspect motives (the super prostate man):http://www.john-libbey-eurotext.fr/e-docs/00/04/15/1E/vers_alt/VersionPDF.pdfGluten is associated with numerous problems, and yes, it is trendy, and yes we should eat whole and natural, but that doesn't mean "zen macrobiotic". Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 ; alansmithdc@...; anngoldeen@...From: rschacker@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:56:40 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Alan,

I completely agree that most GF foods are overpriced junk foods. I did not say the patient needed to buy these or have a biopsy. I have been dissappointed in the available tests. Like I said before, look at what Cyrex labs have to offer. One test is for 12 different wheat-derived antigens, testing for both IgA & IgG for each, not just alpha gliaden.

http://www.cyrexlabs.com/CyrexTestsArrays/tabid/136/Default.aspx

And as a person who avoids gluten I am glad I can eat my cake too sometimes.

Schacker

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot

of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

Anyone else concerned about bulimia? BarrettFrom: BRIAN SEITZ <dcdocbrian@...>oregon DCs < >Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 9:16:21 PMSubject: FW: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

From: dcdocbrian@...To: rschacker@...Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issuesDate: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:15:36 -0700

This is just one of the numerous articles available with a simple search, rather than relying on information from an individual with suspect motives (the super prostate man):http://www.john-libbey-eurotext.fr/e-docs/00/04/15/1E/vers_alt/VersionPDF.pdfGluten is associated with numerous problems, and yes, it is trendy, and yes we should eat whole and natural, but that doesn't mean "zen macrobiotic". Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 ; alansmithdc@...; anngoldeen@...From: rschacker@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:56:40 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Alan,

I completely agree that most GF foods are overpriced junk foods. I did not say the patient needed to buy these or have a biopsy. I have been dissappointed in the available tests. Like I said before, look at what Cyrex labs have to offer. One test is for 12 different wheat-derived antigens, testing for both IgA & IgG for each, not just alpha gliaden.

http://www.cyrexlabs.com/CyrexTestsArrays/tabid/136/Default.aspx

And as a person who avoids gluten I am glad I can eat my cake too sometimes.

Schacker

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot

of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 14, 2011

That was the first thing that came up for me when I read this post...

17 years old, "athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years.

With acid reflux.

Ann DC

Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.

Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC

5223 NE Sandy blvd.

Portland, OR 97213

503-805-3865

>

> Hello all,

>

> I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.

>

> Thanks,

> Brad A. Cockman, DC

>

March 14, 2011

YES! Definitely need to rule that out and if it is bulimia, BodyTalk is often wonderfully helpful along with some appropriate counseling.

Janet L Rueger, DCCertified in CraniopathyCertified BodyTalk Practitioner149 Clear Creek Dr., # 105Ashland, OR, 97520541-690-6799bodytalk@...

On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:24 PM, kelly barrett wrote:

Anyone else concerned about bulimia? BarrettFrom: BRIAN SEITZ <dcdocbrian@...>oregon DCs < >Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 9:16:21 PMSubject: FW: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

From: dcdocbrian@...To: rschacker@...Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issuesDate: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:15:36 -0700

This is just one of the numerous articles available with a simple search, rather than relying on information from an individual with suspect motives (the super prostate man):http://www.john-libbey-eurotext.fr/e-docs/00/04/15/1E/vers_alt/VersionPDF.pdfGluten is associated with numerous problems, and yes, it is trendy, and yes we should eat whole and natural, but that doesn't mean "zen macrobiotic". Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 ; alansmithdc@...; anngoldeen@...From: rschacker@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:56:40 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Alan,

I completely agree that most GF foods are overpriced junk foods. I did not say the patient needed to buy these or have a biopsy. I have been dissappointed in the available tests. Like I said before, look at what Cyrex labs have to offer. One test is for 12 different wheat-derived antigens, testing for both IgA & IgG for each, not just alpha gliaden.

http://www.cyrexlabs.com/CyrexTestsArrays/tabid/136/Default.aspx

And as a person who avoids gluten I am glad I can eat my cake too sometimes.

Schacker

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot

of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 15, 2011

Hi Alan,

His article makes some good points but, in my experience, it is a reality. My daughter was one of the '1 in 133' with her initial episodes happening before the age of 3. Difficulty in diagnosing is the truth: we'd never had a 'real' diagnosis beyond our observational studies with her. Leaning toward the macrobiotic end of things does help as she has to stay away from the 'chaff' or semolina wheat products. The closer to the wheat berry she stays, the bettr off she is but eliminating wheat is her best state. In this country, that is becoming more and more difficult to do.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

From: alansmithdc@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:00:50 -0600Subject: RE: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

From my favorite nutrition author, Mason, inventor of Beta Prostate Formula and nutritional myth buster.Alan D.C.

Celiac Disease Myth- Mason Celiac disease, or gluten intolerance, is a widely promoted myth. The truth of the matter is that this is a relatively rare condition. Wheat allergies are very rare. All this talk about “gluten intolerance” and “gluten free foods” is ridiculous. This is very difficult to diagnose, and cannot be diagnosed with certainty. The current diagnostic tests are just not reliable at all. The media has pushed this for some reason, as if it is some kind of epidem-ic. Only about 1 in 133 people possibly have this. Please note the word, “possibly”. The figure may be much lower- more like 1 in 200, or less. Many studies have confirmed this, especially the University of land in Baltimore (Archives of Internal Medicine v 163, 2003) That figure may be far too high, as you just cannot definitely diagnose this conclusively. It is true that all digestive diseases have increased dramatically in the last fifty years. Poor digestion is epidemic in Western societies due to our hideous diets. Celiac affects your 22 feet of small intestine. The common symptoms are diarrhea, ab-dominal pain, flatulence, physical weakness, and weight loss. The diagnosis is basically guesswork, and really only verifies you have a digestive problem. Do not get a biopsy, as it is expensive, painful, invasive, unnecessary, and harmful. Yes, there is a genetic factor here, but it really is for weak digestion, and not necessarily gluten intolerance at all. Many people really have irritable bowel syndrome, and not gluten intolerance. Levels of serum antigliadin antibodies and antiendomysial antibodies are not specific predictors. Impaired digestion results in damaged intestinal walls or “leaky gut syndrome”. Here one has multiple unknown food allergies. No food allergy test on earth works. That’s a fact. None of them are accurate. One thing you can do is buy seitan (say tan) from a health food store, and eat about four ounces of it to see if you react. It is the purest form of gluten. People with any of these serious digestive issues are far more prone to most dis-eases, and live shorter lives. Your digestive system really is the heart of your health and immunity. Read the article Good Health Begins with Good Digestion.For god’s sake, we eat twice the calories we need, we eat twice the protein we need, and we eat eight times the fat we need. Most all those fats are saturated, artery-clogging ani-mal fats. We eat 160 pounds of various sugars we don’t need at all. We are overfed and undernourished. Our food is refined, preserved, and chemical laden. We eat a mere 1% whole grains, when we should be eating 50% whole grains. Is it any wonder so many people have digestive problems?Have you noticed most all the “gluten-free” products are overpriced junk food? Gluten-free cakes, gluten-free cookies, gluten-free pies, gluten-free donuts, gluten-free cupcakes, gluten-free muffins, gluten-free pizza, and just more crap. Do people think they are going to get well eating that kind of stuff? They usually eat a lot of meat, dairy, poultry, and eggs. They think they are going to get well eating animal protein, fat, and cholesterol??? What is the big deal here? If you think you are gluten intolerant, just stop eating wheat, barley, and rye (also kamut, triticale and spelt). How many people do you know that eat barley and rye with any regularity? That means you just avoid wheat for, say, one month, and see if you get better. You can find many healthy, whole grain baked goods that do not use wheat, including bread, rolls, tortillas, and pastas.You will generally see serious neurotic obsessive-compulsive behavior with people who claim to be gluten intolerant. Their whole lives seem to revolve around avoiding gluten.They see gluten in everything. They think all their health problems are due to gluten, even though they don’t eat any. They claim even the tiniest amount of gluten will put make them deathly ill. One woman told me should could only drink vodka from potatoes! (Gluten cannot be distilled folks.) You find irrational obsessive behavior in most of them. It would be very revealing to see a psychological profile of such people. Again, they have no proof at all that they are, in fact, gluten intolerant. The current tests are just not reliable at all. The ones who claim this rarely have the proven symptoms.The real issue here is that people who think they are gluten intolerant certainly do have a digestive issue. This is rather easy to cure naturally. Read the article Good Health Begins With Good Digestion. Read my book Zen Macrobiotics for Americans. Eat only macrobiotic foods. Eat lots of brown rice, oats, corn, buckwheat, and millet. Eat lots of beans and legumes. Eat lots of cooked green and yellow vegetables. Limit fruit to 10% of your diet. Eat 10% seafood if you want. Limit any raw foods to 10% of your diet, as they are harder to digest than cooked foods. Eat two meals a day. Fast one day a week on water. It is very important you fast every week to give your digestive system a chance to rest and heal. Join our two day monthly Young Again International Fast if you like. If you are under 40, take the Supplements for Younger People (read the article with the same name) and add glutamine. If you are over 40 take all the supplements recommended in the Zen Macrobiotics book. Buy bulk glutamine and take 1 tablespoon a day for a year. You can take ½ tablespoon AM and PM. Take two capsules of (200:1) aloe vera for a year. Take FOS and acidophilus twice a day AM and PM. Our acidophilus is refrigerated, has 6 billion units per capsule, with 8 different strains. Only use refrigerated acidophilus.Do not concentrate on healing your digestive system; concentrate on healing your whole body. Holistic medicine is whole body medicine. Treat your whole body, and your digest-ion will improve dramatically very shortly. The celiac epidemic is a myth, but digestive disorders generally are an epidemic. You can cure these disorders with a total program of diet and lifestyle. Cure yours naturally without drugs or surgery.Celiac diseases and gluten intolerance is a very rare condition. The epidemic of gluten-free products is merely another way for criminals to make money from stupid people.Another media creation of a crisis that doesn’t exist.

CC: rschacker@...; To: skrndc1@...From: drt@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:20:29 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

True thatDr. Todd Turnbull, DC

On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Sunny Kierstyn <skrndc1@...> wrote:

ll of t hese suggestions are good ... but, check for that hiatal hernia first ... I am finding it more and more in 'healthy', 'skinny', athletes. Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

; drt@...From: rschacker@...Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:57 -0700Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

I would look into gluten sensitivity. Diagnosed cases are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I've discovered Cyrex Labs recently and will be running their test kits on a bunch of my patients once I receive them this week. You can check them out online. I'm excited about the potential of the test results. I can let you know how the results are if you are interested.

Schacker, DC CCSP

Apex Wellness Center

Portland, OR

From: Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC <drt@...>Subject: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 15, 2011

Although I don't necessarily take the same stance as the article, I can appreciate the highly over diagnosis of "gluten sensitivity" and it's range of detrimental health effects.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: D Beebe, D.C.

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:56 PM

; Alan

Subject: Re: Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues

Sorry Alan

While there is creedance in the aspect of your nutritional myth buster'sview on the cruddy gluten free products available there is plenty of research that contradicts his position.

In fact gluten is in more foods than you might believe and it is not quite so simple as avoiding wheat products. While we all know and have that obssessive/comp patient that takes things to the nth degree, liking people who respond adversely to gluten to an obssessive/comp disorder is akin to calling all choirpractor's quacks.

If you are going to claim yourself as an expert you had better be able to refute the research. People like WEb MD, Wilkipedia, Wall street Journal article , thyroid research centers, etc, etc, etc, do your own DD. This article is more along the lines of self promotion.

Danno

Re: 17 year old female with digestive issues Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 9:44 AM

Check the abs for hypertonicity, particularly the insertion of ab rectus at the inferior ribcage. Also, manipulation of the stomach to traction the esophagus thru the diaphragm.Dr. Todd Turnbull, DC5223 NE Sandy blvd.Portland, OR 97213503-805-3865>> Hello all,> > I have a new 17 year old female patient that has a hard time keeping food down. She's athletic, healthy and well nourished and according to her this has been going on for about 2 years. The acid reflux and possible damage to the esophagus is my prime concern. I adjusted her of course, but I don't have a lot of experience in this realm and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the next best course of action would be. Her mom seems set on taking a "natural" approach.> > Thanks,> Brad A. Cockman, DC>

March 15, 2011

Regarding the whole gluten free product thing: Yes, they are more often overpriced junk food than real nutrient dense food. They are the same idiocy for people who want chocolate, but eat carob. Yuk. Eat the chocolate, skip the carob and use judgement when you indulge.However, I'm not so sure the whole" not that many people are sensitive to gluten" thing is true. What I have noticed is people who generally eat less complex carbohydrates, less bread, etc. are generally in less pain and are more fit and have smaller waistlines, a great thing to keep diabetes from developing.Makes sense. Many wheat products are over-processed, over sweetened, spiked with poor quality over processed fats, and over preserved with various chemicals.How can advising a patient to stay away from gluten products and from complex carbs and sugars go anything but enhance health and improve life quality?Annette Simard On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Alan wrote: