Re: Re: Soy - W. A. Price Foundation

[Guest guest]

No, Soy foods do not contain human estrogens and do not cause the body to

produce excess estrogen.

If you want to mount an argument that soy isoflavones are estrogens, or

have an estrogenic effect, or are somehow harmful to the body, open a

completely different topic, and I will be happy to debate that with you

there.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Wow. Amazing.

> I am confused about something though. How does WAP supposedly make money ?

> I belong to the chapter of Weston A Price in my city and must be missing

> something as I have not seen any evidense of WAP making a lot of money in

> the last 3 years.

>

> Actualyy soy does contain estrogen. What other places are you getting your

> information?

>

> By the way, some poeple are healthier on whole organic foods. The most

> effective food plan for both long and short-term health that I have seen is

> Bee Wilder's food protocols - the people whom have the guts and motivation

> to stay on her diets cannot say enough good things about her protocols &

> the improvements in their health. In my perceptions whatever works is the

> final word regardless of studies, etc.

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

>

>

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Some articles about soy from the Weston A. Price Foundation:

> > >

> > > Tragedy and Hype: Third International Soy Symposium

> > > Read this article in: French " Each year, research on the health

> effects of

> > > soy and soybean components seems to increase exponentially . . .

> > > Furthermore, research is not just expanding in the primary areas under

> > > investigation, such as cancer, heart...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/tragedy-and-hype

> > >

> > > a.. Complaints About Soy

> > > We've received a number of letters over the years from readers who have

> > > come

> > > to realize that their health problems stemmed from soy. We've reprinted

> > > their letters here. The Dangers of Soy I've been medicated for

> > > hypothyroidism for 27 years now and...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/complaints-about-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Isoflavones, 1950-2010

> > > Soy Isoflavone Studies 1950 Sterility in the Rabbit Associated with

> > > Soybean

> > > Hay Feeding. J Nutr 1950 Dec;42(4):487-500. The study found that those

> > > rabbits that had consumed the soybean hay suffered from " partial

> > > reproductive failure. " The effects of...

> > >

> > >

>

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/studies-showing-adverse-effects-of-isoflav\

ones

> > >

> > > a.. Response to Dr. Mark Hyman

> > > On August 10, 2010, Dr. Mark Hyman posted an article " Soy: Blessing or

> > > Curse? " on the Huffington Post blog ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

> > > dr-mark-hyman/soy-blessing-or-curse_b_673912. html ). Widely circulated

> > > online, soy proponents are touting the...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/response-to-dr-mark-hyman

> > >

> > > a.. Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Dietary Soy, 1939-2008

> > > Additional Studies: For a list of studies showing the toxicity of soy

> in

> > > the

> > > US Food & Drug Administration's Poisonous Plant Database, see FDA Soy

> > > References . Dietary Soy Study Summaries 1939 Sharpless GR and others.

> > > Production of goiter in rats with...

> > >

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/studies-showing-adverse-effects-of-soy

> > >

> > > a.. The Soy Controversy

> > > This article summarizes a presentation given on May 25, 2001 at the 8th

> > > International Symposium of the Institute for Preventive Medicine in

> > > Vancouver, Canada. Promotion of soy foods as a replacement for animal

> > > foods

> > > such as eggs, fish, meat, milk and...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-controversy

> > >

> > > a.. The Ploy of Soy

> > > Commercial milk products have been linked to a number of disease

> > > conditions

> > > including allergies, asthma, arthritis, diabetes, auto immune diseases,

> > > childhood anemia, heart disease and cancer. Many have turned to soy

> > > products

> > > as substitutes for dairy...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/ploy-of-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Brochure

> > > Read this article in: Dutch | French Myths & Truths About Soy Myth:

> Use of

> > > soy as a food dates back many thousands of years. Truth: Soy was first

> > > used

> > > as a food during the late Chou dynasty (1134-246 BC), only after the

> > > Chinese

> > > learned to ferment soy...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-brochure

> > >

> > > a.. Reply to Bill Sardi

> > > Published in The Townsend Letter , April 2001 In his October 2000 Guest

> > > Editorial in the Townsend Letter , Mr. Bill Sardi expresses surprise

> that

> > > the " greatest criticism of soy has come from natural health advocates. "

> > > Yet

> > > most of the soy-based...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/reply-to-sardi

> > >

> > > a.. Soy to the World

> > > SOY TO THE WORLD: HOLIDAY WISHES FROM WHOLE FOODS MARKET This past

> holiday

> > > season Whole Foods Market offered customers gift boxes and certificates

> > > brightly printed with the wish " Soy to the World. " Whole Foods Market,

> of

> > > course, perceives soy foods...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-to-the-world

> > >

> > > a.. Not Milk and Uncheese: The Udder Alternatives

> > > Excerpt from Kaayla 's book: The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side

> of

> > > America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring 2004) . SOY

> BEVERAGES:

> > > LAND OF MILK AND MONEY Soy drink--popularly known as soy milk--is a

> > > lactose-free dairy substitute made...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/not-milk-and-uncheese

> > >

> > > a.. The Promotion of Soy

> > > Introduction by Sally Fallon to Kaayla 's book: The Whole Soy

> Story:

> > > The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring

> 2004)

> > > .

> > > Soy is the phenomenon of the times, the " healthy alternative " to meat,

> the

> > > " non-allergenic " dairy,...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/promotion-of-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Soy: The Dark Side of America's Favorite " Health " Food

> > > , a secretary and receptionist, could not explain what was

> > > happening to her. She began to make mistakes in her work and suffer

> from

> > > memory lapses. She would type a word backwards without even realizing

> it

> > > and

> > > proofread right over her...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-dark-side

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Isoflavones: Panacea or Poison?

> > > NOTE: The following article was submitted to the FDA in an effort to

> block

> > > inclusion of estrogen-like compounds called isoflavones, found in large

> > > amounts in soy products, in the GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe)

> list

> > > of

> > > ingredients in foods and...

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-isoflavones-panacea-or-poison

> > >

> > > a.. Why Babies Should Not be Fed Soy

> > > Testimony to the CERHR Soy Infant Formula Panel Thank you for the

> > > opportunity to testify about this very serious subject today. Allow me

> to

> > > summarize the testimony I have submitted to the panel (posted at...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/why-babies-should-not-be-fed-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Mr. Tofu!

> > > Mr. Tofu! And Other Fun Facts They Don't Want You to Know About Soy 1.

> > > This

> > > year's Los Angeles Tofu Festival stars a blocky " Mr Tofu, " a spongy fun

> > > guy

> > > who says " it's hip to be square. " Has soy fried his brain or have

> things

> > > changed since I took...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/mr-tofu

> > >

> > > a.. Bad News for the Soy Industry

> > > Soy food sales are finally slowing down. According to the recent market

> > > study Soyfoods: The U.S. Market 2005 , soy food sales hit $4 billion in

> > > 2004

> > > but climbed only 2.1 percent that year, the slowest growth for the

> > > industry

> > > since the early 1980s....

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/bad-news-for-soy-industry

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Update, Spring 2004

> > > Cancer Health Claim The Solae Company, developer of soy protein

> products

> > > in

> > > partnership with Dupont, has petitioned the Food and Drug

> Administration

> > > (FDA) for a health claim suggesting that the consumption of soy

> > > protein-based foods may reduce the...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-update-spring-2004

> > >

> > > a.. Soy and Osteoporosis: Not a Leg to Stand On

> > > Soy as the all-natural solution for osteoporosis? The latest ploy of

> the

> > > soy

> > > industry is to fan women's fears about bone loss and distract them from

> > > recent news that soy does not prevent heart disease, and that it

> worsens

> > > cardiomyopathy, impairs...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-and-osteoporosis

> > >

> > > a.. Recovery from Soy Part I: A Strategy for Dealing with Soy Allergies

> > > NOTE: This is the first in a series of articles about recovering from

> soy.

> > > For answers to frequently asked questions, visit Dr. 's website

> > > www.wholesoystory.com as well as our Soy FAQ page. Dr. offers

> > > private

> > > coaching, nutritional...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/dealing-with-soy-allergies

> > >

> > > a.. Back from the Lion's Den

> > > Whining, hysteria and fear marked the Sixth International Symposium on

> the

> > > Role of Soy in Preventing and Treating Chronic Disease and a special

> > > one-day

> > > symposium entitled Effects of Soy on Growth and Development: How Much

> Do

> > > We

> > > Know? held in Chicago...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/daniel-back-from-the-lions-den

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Formula Panel Caves to Industry Pressure

> > > SOY FORMULA PANEL CAVES TO INDUSTRY PRESSURE Another Generation of

> > > Children

> > > Condemned to Allergies, Thyroid Disease, Learning Disorders and

> > > Infertility

> > > ALEXANDRIA, VA. December 18, 2009: In response to soy industry

> revelations

> > > that a vote indicating...

> > >

> > >

>

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-formula-panel-caves-to-industry-pressu\

re

> > >

> > > a.. Myths & Truths About Soy

> > > Read this article in: Danish | Dutch | French | German | Japanese |

> > > Russian

> > > | Spanish Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of

> years.

> > > Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty

> (1134-246

> > > BC), only after the Chinese...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/myths-and-truths-about-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Twelfth International Soy Symposium

> > > " Soy products: The scientific community is divided. Some say the stuff

> is

> > > dangerous; some say it isn't, " stated Dr. Harold Seifried of the

> National

> > > Cancer Institute, who presented this conclusion to his lecture as a

> > > poignant

> > > cartoon. The scientific...

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/twelfth-international-soy-symposium

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Carbohydrates: The Flatulence Factor

> > > Excerpt from Kaayla 's book: The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side

> of

> > > America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring 2004) . Soy is an

> > > incomparable gas producer--the King of Musical Fruits. Abdominal

> bloating,

> > > rumbling and flatus experienced by...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-carbohydrates-flatulence

> > >

> > > a.. Soy in the News

> > > SOY AS A MALE CONTRACEPTIVE In September of this year, researchers from

> > > the

> > > Harvard School of Public Health presented evidence at the 63rd annual

> > > meeting of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine showing that

> soy

> > > phytoestrogens can seriously...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-in-the-news

> > >

> > > a.. Soy and the Brain

> > > " Tofu Shrinks Brain! " No science fiction scenario, this sobering

> soybean

> > > revelation is for real. But how did the " poster bean " of the '90s go

> > > wrong?

> > > Apparently, in many ways--none of which bode well for the brain. In a

> > > major

> > > ongoing study involving...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-and-the-brain

> > >

> > > a.. Cruel and Unusual Punishment: Soy Diet for Illinois Prisoners

> > > UPDATE ON SOY LAWSUIT - OCTOBER 2011 JUDGE GIVES GREEN LIGHT TO SOY

> > > LAWSUIT

> > > WASHINGTON, DC. October 21, 2011. Honorable Judge Harold Baker of the

> > > United

> > > States District Court for the central district of Illinois has ruled

> that

> > > litigation challenging...

> > >

> > >

>

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/cruel-and-unusual-punishment-soy-diet-for-\

illinois-prisoners

> > >

> > > a.. The Tragedy of Soy Infant Formula

> > > Read this article in: Spanish An estimated 25% of North American babies

> > > receive infant formula made from processed soybeans. Parents use soy

> > > formula

> > > in the belief that is it healthier than formula based on cows' milk.

> Soy

> > > promotional material claims...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/tragedy-of-soy-formula

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Update, Summer 2003

> > > SOY AND MENOPAUSE Five recent studies have shown that soy is worthless

> in

> > > treating symptoms of menopause. A study carried out at Monash

> University,

> > > Clayton, Australia found that three months of soy supplements providing

> > > 188

> > > mg of isoflavones daily did...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-update-summer-2003

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Update, Spring 2003

> > > Read this article in: Danish NEW STUDY, NEW CONCERNS In order to

> determine

> > > the effects of exposure to phytoestrogens, researchers at the s

> > > Hopkins

> > > Children's Center and the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public

> Health

> > > randomly assigned pregnant...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-update-spring-2003

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Industry on the Attack

> > > Recent events show the powerful soy industry regrouping and on the

> attack.

> > > The current news is discouraging, but it may be a sign that the soy

> > > industry

> > > is feeling the brunt of our concerted efforts to warn the public about

> the

> > > dangers of soy foods,...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-industry-on-the-attack

> > >

> > > a.. WISHH-Ful Thinking: New Markets for Soy Products

> > > The World Initiative for Soy in Human Health (WISHH) bills itself as a

> > > benevolent institution with a two-fold mission: " improving diets and

> > > encouraging the growth of food industries " in developing countries.

> Based

> > > in

> > > the headquarters of the American...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/wishh-soy-marketing

> > >

> > > a.. Reply to Cohen, the Not Milk Man

> > > Cohen is the author of Milk, The Deadly Poison and the website

> > > www.notmilk.com . Dear Mr. Cohen, Today an email was forwarded to us

> in

> > > which you cited an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between

> soy

> > > foods and thyroid dysfunction....

> > >

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/reply-to-robert-cohen-the-not-milk-man

> > >

> > > a.. The Little Known Soy-Gluten Connection

> > > Many people on gluten-free, casein-free (GFCF) diets think they must

> eat

> > > soy. This might be true for Japanese beetles or soybean aphids, but

> it's

> > > hardly necessary for humans. It's clear, however, that those who

> depend on

> > > processed and packaged GFCF...

> > >

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/the-little-known-soy-gluten-connection

> > >

> > > a.. Soy and Corn Blends Stop Hunger but not Malnutrition

> > > The soy industry actively promotes its products as the solution to

> world

> > > hunger. Yet doctors representing Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), the

> > > French

> > > branch of Doctors without Borders, took a strong stand last year on

> World

> > > Food Day against the...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-and-corn-blends

> > >

> > > a.. Committee on Toxicity in Foods and the Environment

> > > The British government has a standing expert Committee on Toxicity in

> > > Foods

> > > and the Environment. It is rather endearingly called COT! It has turned

> > > out

> > > to be an appropriate acronym, because in May, 2002 the Committee turned

> > > its

> > > attention to...

> > >

> > >

>

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/committee-toxicity-in-foods-and-environmen\

t

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Campaign Letter 2002

> > > Weston A Price Foundation Board of Directors Sally Fallon, MA,

> President

> > > and

> > > Treasurer Enig, PhD, Vice President Geoffrey Morell, ND, JP,

> > > Secretary

> > > Tom Cowan, MD Joyce Forristal June, 2002 Dear Friends, We are now

> > > beginning our third year...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-campaign-letter-2002

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Lecithin: From Sludge to Profit

> > > Excerpt from Kaayla 's book: The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side

> of

> > > America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring 2004) . Lecithin is

> an

> > > emulsifying substance that is found in the cells of all living

> organisms.

> > > The French scientist Maurice...

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-lecithin-from-sludge-to-profit

> > >

> > > a.. Manganese Madness

> > > When Jonathon son, environmental health scientist, began planning a

> > > two-day conference on toxic metals, his thoughts turned to the internal

> > > combustion engine. Day One he dedicated to lead of the tetraethyl

> variety

> > > added to silence engine knock....

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/manganese-madness

> > >

> > > a.. Soy and Sanitation

> > > SOY AND SANITATION: POOR REASON TO GO VEGAN Fears about salmonella

> > > poisoning, listeria, swine flu and avian flu from animal foods are

> > > boosting

> > > the market for soy and other vegan foodstuffs and supplements. The

> demand

> > > gets its main boost from vegans,...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-and-sanitation

> > >

> > > a.. Third International Soy Symposium

> > > The Third International Soy Symposium, held in Washington, DC November

> > > 1999,

> > > sparked a new round of promotional hype for soy products, particularly

> soy

> > > milk--now sold in supermarkets--and soy isoflavones--now sold as

> > > supplements

> > > for everything from...

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/third-international-soy-symposium

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Recovery: The Toxic Metal Component

> > > What's the first step in soy recovery? Eliminating soy from the diet,

> of

> > > course, but for the average American this is easier said than done. In

> > > brief, we must cut out processed, packaged and fast foods and return

> to a

> > > traditional diet based on whole...

> > >

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-recovery-the-toxic-metal-component

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Bioterrorism

> > > The Weston A. Price Foundation has filed a lawsuit in the state of

> > > Illinois,

> > > seeking a permanent injunction against the serving of soy-based prison

> > > meals. In a recent press release on the case (

> > > westonaprice.org/press/press-13jul09. html ), we noted...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-bioterrorism

> > >

> > > a.. Not So Soy Healthy For The Heart

> > > Soy does not lower cholesterol, does not prevent heart disease and does

> > > not

> > > deserve an FDA-approved soy heart health claim. This amazing

> announcement

> > > comes from none other than the American Heart Association (AHA)

> published

> > > in

> > > the January 17, 2006...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/not-so-soy-healthy-for-the-heart

> > >

> > > a.. Soyful Tales

> > > SOY MAY HELP MEN REMEMBER ANNIVERSARIES Believe it or not, the soy

> > > industry

> > > is now promising new and improved men-men who not only have better

> > > " working

> > > memories, " but men who might even remember anniversaries! Led by

> > > Howe

> > > at the University of...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soyful-tales

> > >

> > > a.. Soy: Singing the Low-Carb Blues

> > > Over the past decade, soy has been widely promoted as a " miracle " food

> > > that

> > > can prevent heart disease, fight cancer, fan away hot flashes and build

> > > strong bones and bodies in far more than 12 ways. Lately its

> > > health-building

> > > reputation has been kicked...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-singing-the-low-carb-blues

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Update, Winter 2004

> > > Impaired Intestinal Development Two studies carried out by nutrition

> > > professor Sharon Donovan at the University of Illinois show that the

> soy

> > > isoflavone genistein, in amounts present in commercial soy infant

> formula,

> > > may inhibit intestinal cell growth...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-update-winter-2004

> > >

> > > a.. One Woman's Story

> > > This is my true story, nothing altered. These are facts as they relate

> to

> > > my

> > > experience, my opinions based on what I have read and felt. I am

> relating

> > > them to warn other young health-conscious women who are unwittingly

> > > harming

> > > themselves and so that...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/one-womans-story

> > >

> > > a.. Soy: The Quiet Conquest

> > > I. The Soybean and Its Family Today everyone, whether he wishes it or

> not,

> > > whether living in an advanced or backward country, is confronted by the

> > > soybean, although not visibly (apart from the modish foods like tofu,

> soy

> > > milk, meat and sausage...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-the-quiet-conquest

> > >

> > > a..

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

So, as a member, to you and others provide dues and donations? And I have

read that they do receive funding from the meat and dairy industry.

Here is a good article:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/jul2010_Is-Soy-Safe_01.htm

Another one:

http://www.aviva.ca/article.asp?articleid=14

You might try Quack Watch as well.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Wow. Amazing.

> I am confused about something though. How does WAP supposedly make money ?

> I belong to the chapter of Weston A Price in my city and must be missing

> something as I have not seen any evidense of WAP making a lot of money in

> the last 3 years.

>

> Actualyy soy does contain estrogen. What other places are you getting your

> information?

>

> By the way, some poeple are healthier on whole organic foods. The most

> effective food plan for both long and short-term health that I have seen is

> Bee Wilder's food protocols - the people whom have the guts and motivation

> to stay on her diets cannot say enough good things about her protocols &

> the improvements in their health. In my perceptions whatever works is the

> final word regardless of studies, etc.

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

>

>

> >

> > > **

>

> > >

> > >

> > > Some articles about soy from the Weston A. Price Foundation:

> > >

> > > Tragedy and Hype: Third International Soy Symposium

> > > Read this article in: French " Each year, research on the health

> effects of

> > > soy and soybean components seems to increase exponentially . . .

> > > Furthermore, research is not just expanding in the primary areas under

> > > investigation, such as cancer, heart...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/tragedy-and-hype

> > >

> > > a.. Complaints About Soy

> > > We've received a number of letters over the years from readers who have

> > > come

> > > to realize that their health problems stemmed from soy. We've reprinted

> > > their letters here. The Dangers of Soy I've been medicated for

> > > hypothyroidism for 27 years now and...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/complaints-about-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Isoflavones, 1950-2010

> > > Soy Isoflavone Studies 1950 Sterility in the Rabbit Associated with

> > > Soybean

> > > Hay Feeding. J Nutr 1950 Dec;42(4):487-500. The study found that those

> > > rabbits that had consumed the soybean hay suffered from " partial

> > > reproductive failure. " The effects of...

> > >

> > >

>

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ones

> > >

> > > a.. Response to Dr. Mark Hyman

> > > On August 10, 2010, Dr. Mark Hyman posted an article " Soy: Blessing or

> > > Curse? " on the Huffington Post blog ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

> > > dr-mark-hyman/soy-blessing-or-curse_b_673912. html ). Widely circulated

> > > online, soy proponents are touting the...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/response-to-dr-mark-hyman

> > >

> > > a.. Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Dietary Soy, 1939-2008

> > > Additional Studies: For a list of studies showing the toxicity of soy

> in

> > > the

> > > US Food & Drug Administration's Poisonous Plant Database, see FDA Soy

> > > References . Dietary Soy Study Summaries 1939 Sharpless GR and others.

> > > Production of goiter in rats with...

> > >

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/studies-showing-adverse-effects-of-soy

> > >

> > > a.. The Soy Controversy

> > > This article summarizes a presentation given on May 25, 2001 at the 8th

> > > International Symposium of the Institute for Preventive Medicine in

> > > Vancouver, Canada. Promotion of soy foods as a replacement for animal

> > > foods

> > > such as eggs, fish, meat, milk and...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-controversy

> > >

> > > a.. The Ploy of Soy

> > > Commercial milk products have been linked to a number of disease

> > > conditions

> > > including allergies, asthma, arthritis, diabetes, auto immune diseases,

> > > childhood anemia, heart disease and cancer. Many have turned to soy

> > > products

> > > as substitutes for dairy...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/ploy-of-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Brochure

> > > Read this article in: Dutch | French Myths & Truths About Soy Myth:

> Use of

> > > soy as a food dates back many thousands of years. Truth: Soy was first

> > > used

> > > as a food during the late Chou dynasty (1134-246 BC), only after the

> > > Chinese

> > > learned to ferment soy...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-brochure

> > >

> > > a.. Reply to Bill Sardi

> > > Published in The Townsend Letter , April 2001 In his October 2000 Guest

> > > Editorial in the Townsend Letter , Mr. Bill Sardi expresses surprise

> that

> > > the " greatest criticism of soy has come from natural health advocates. "

> > > Yet

> > > most of the soy-based...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/reply-to-sardi

> > >

> > > a.. Soy to the World

> > > SOY TO THE WORLD: HOLIDAY WISHES FROM WHOLE FOODS MARKET This past

> holiday

> > > season Whole Foods Market offered customers gift boxes and certificates

> > > brightly printed with the wish " Soy to the World. " Whole Foods Market,

> of

> > > course, perceives soy foods...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-to-the-world

> > >

> > > a.. Not Milk and Uncheese: The Udder Alternatives

> > > Excerpt from Kaayla 's book: The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side

> of

> > > America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring 2004) . SOY

> BEVERAGES:

> > > LAND OF MILK AND MONEY Soy drink--popularly known as soy milk--is a

> > > lactose-free dairy substitute made...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/not-milk-and-uncheese

> > >

> > > a.. The Promotion of Soy

> > > Introduction by Sally Fallon to Kaayla 's book: The Whole Soy

> Story:

> > > The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring

> 2004)

> > > .

> > > Soy is the phenomenon of the times, the " healthy alternative " to meat,

> the

> > > " non-allergenic " dairy,...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/promotion-of-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Soy: The Dark Side of America's Favorite " Health " Food

> > > , a secretary and receptionist, could not explain what was

> > > happening to her. She began to make mistakes in her work and suffer

> from

> > > memory lapses. She would type a word backwards without even realizing

> it

> > > and

> > > proofread right over her...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-dark-side

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Isoflavones: Panacea or Poison?

> > > NOTE: The following article was submitted to the FDA in an effort to

> block

> > > inclusion of estrogen-like compounds called isoflavones, found in large

> > > amounts in soy products, in the GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe)

> list

> > > of

> > > ingredients in foods and...

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-isoflavones-panacea-or-poison

> > >

> > > a.. Why Babies Should Not be Fed Soy

> > > Testimony to the CERHR Soy Infant Formula Panel Thank you for the

> > > opportunity to testify about this very serious subject today. Allow me

> to

> > > summarize the testimony I have submitted to the panel (posted at...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/why-babies-should-not-be-fed-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Mr. Tofu!

> > > Mr. Tofu! And Other Fun Facts They Don't Want You to Know About Soy 1.

> > > This

> > > year's Los Angeles Tofu Festival stars a blocky " Mr Tofu, " a spongy fun

> > > guy

> > > who says " it's hip to be square. " Has soy fried his brain or have

> things

> > > changed since I took...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/mr-tofu

> > >

> > > a.. Bad News for the Soy Industry

> > > Soy food sales are finally slowing down. According to the recent market

> > > study Soyfoods: The U.S. Market 2005 , soy food sales hit $4 billion in

> > > 2004

> > > but climbed only 2.1 percent that year, the slowest growth for the

> > > industry

> > > since the early 1980s....

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/bad-news-for-soy-industry

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Update, Spring 2004

> > > Cancer Health Claim The Solae Company, developer of soy protein

> products

> > > in

> > > partnership with Dupont, has petitioned the Food and Drug

> Administration

> > > (FDA) for a health claim suggesting that the consumption of soy

> > > protein-based foods may reduce the...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-update-spring-2004

> > >

> > > a.. Soy and Osteoporosis: Not a Leg to Stand On

> > > Soy as the all-natural solution for osteoporosis? The latest ploy of

> the

> > > soy

> > > industry is to fan women's fears about bone loss and distract them from

> > > recent news that soy does not prevent heart disease, and that it

> worsens

> > > cardiomyopathy, impairs...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-and-osteoporosis

> > >

> > > a.. Recovery from Soy Part I: A Strategy for Dealing with Soy Allergies

> > > NOTE: This is the first in a series of articles about recovering from

> soy.

> > > For answers to frequently asked questions, visit Dr. 's website

> > > www.wholesoystory.com as well as our Soy FAQ page. Dr. offers

> > > private

> > > coaching, nutritional...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/dealing-with-soy-allergies

> > >

> > > a.. Back from the Lion's Den

> > > Whining, hysteria and fear marked the Sixth International Symposium on

> the

> > > Role of Soy in Preventing and Treating Chronic Disease and a special

> > > one-day

> > > symposium entitled Effects of Soy on Growth and Development: How Much

> Do

> > > We

> > > Know? held in Chicago...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/daniel-back-from-the-lions-den

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Formula Panel Caves to Industry Pressure

> > > SOY FORMULA PANEL CAVES TO INDUSTRY PRESSURE Another Generation of

> > > Children

> > > Condemned to Allergies, Thyroid Disease, Learning Disorders and

> > > Infertility

> > > ALEXANDRIA, VA. December 18, 2009: In response to soy industry

> revelations

> > > that a vote indicating...

> > >

> > >

>

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-formula-panel-caves-to-industry-pressu\

re

> > >

> > > a.. Myths & Truths About Soy

> > > Read this article in: Danish | Dutch | French | German | Japanese |

> > > Russian

> > > | Spanish Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of

> years.

> > > Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty

> (1134-246

> > > BC), only after the Chinese...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/myths-and-truths-about-soy

> > >

> > > a.. Twelfth International Soy Symposium

> > > " Soy products: The scientific community is divided. Some say the stuff

> is

> > > dangerous; some say it isn't, " stated Dr. Harold Seifried of the

> National

> > > Cancer Institute, who presented this conclusion to his lecture as a

> > > poignant

> > > cartoon. The scientific...

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/twelfth-international-soy-symposium

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Carbohydrates: The Flatulence Factor

> > > Excerpt from Kaayla 's book: The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side

> of

> > > America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring 2004) . Soy is an

> > > incomparable gas producer--the King of Musical Fruits. Abdominal

> bloating,

> > > rumbling and flatus experienced by...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-carbohydrates-flatulence

> > >

> > > a.. Soy in the News

> > > SOY AS A MALE CONTRACEPTIVE In September of this year, researchers from

> > > the

> > > Harvard School of Public Health presented evidence at the 63rd annual

> > > meeting of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine showing that

> soy

> > > phytoestrogens can seriously...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-in-the-news

> > >

> > > a.. Soy and the Brain

> > > " Tofu Shrinks Brain! " No science fiction scenario, this sobering

> soybean

> > > revelation is for real. But how did the " poster bean " of the '90s go

> > > wrong?

> > > Apparently, in many ways--none of which bode well for the brain. In a

> > > major

> > > ongoing study involving...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-and-the-brain

> > >

> > > a.. Cruel and Unusual Punishment: Soy Diet for Illinois Prisoners

> > > UPDATE ON SOY LAWSUIT - OCTOBER 2011 JUDGE GIVES GREEN LIGHT TO SOY

> > > LAWSUIT

> > > WASHINGTON, DC. October 21, 2011. Honorable Judge Harold Baker of the

> > > United

> > > States District Court for the central district of Illinois has ruled

> that

> > > litigation challenging...

> > >

> > >

>

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/cruel-and-unusual-punishment-soy-diet-for-\

illinois-prisoners

> > >

> > > a.. The Tragedy of Soy Infant Formula

> > > Read this article in: Spanish An estimated 25% of North American babies

> > > receive infant formula made from processed soybeans. Parents use soy

> > > formula

> > > in the belief that is it healthier than formula based on cows' milk.

> Soy

> > > promotional material claims...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/tragedy-of-soy-formula

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Update, Summer 2003

> > > SOY AND MENOPAUSE Five recent studies have shown that soy is worthless

> in

> > > treating symptoms of menopause. A study carried out at Monash

> University,

> > > Clayton, Australia found that three months of soy supplements providing

> > > 188

> > > mg of isoflavones daily did...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-update-summer-2003

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Update, Spring 2003

> > > Read this article in: Danish NEW STUDY, NEW CONCERNS In order to

> determine

> > > the effects of exposure to phytoestrogens, researchers at the s

> > > Hopkins

> > > Children's Center and the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public

> Health

> > > randomly assigned pregnant...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-update-spring-2003

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Industry on the Attack

> > > Recent events show the powerful soy industry regrouping and on the

> attack.

> > > The current news is discouraging, but it may be a sign that the soy

> > > industry

> > > is feeling the brunt of our concerted efforts to warn the public about

> the

> > > dangers of soy foods,...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-industry-on-the-attack

> > >

> > > a.. WISHH-Ful Thinking: New Markets for Soy Products

> > > The World Initiative for Soy in Human Health (WISHH) bills itself as a

> > > benevolent institution with a two-fold mission: " improving diets and

> > > encouraging the growth of food industries " in developing countries.

> Based

> > > in

> > > the headquarters of the American...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/wishh-soy-marketing

> > >

> > > a.. Reply to Cohen, the Not Milk Man

> > > Cohen is the author of Milk, The Deadly Poison and the website

> > > www.notmilk.com . Dear Mr. Cohen, Today an email was forwarded to us

> in

> > > which you cited an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between

> soy

> > > foods and thyroid dysfunction....

> > >

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/reply-to-robert-cohen-the-not-milk-man

> > >

> > > a.. The Little Known Soy-Gluten Connection

> > > Many people on gluten-free, casein-free (GFCF) diets think they must

> eat

> > > soy. This might be true for Japanese beetles or soybean aphids, but

> it's

> > > hardly necessary for humans. It's clear, however, that those who

> depend on

> > > processed and packaged GFCF...

> > >

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/the-little-known-soy-gluten-connection

> > >

> > > a.. Soy and Corn Blends Stop Hunger but not Malnutrition

> > > The soy industry actively promotes its products as the solution to

> world

> > > hunger. Yet doctors representing Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), the

> > > French

> > > branch of Doctors without Borders, took a strong stand last year on

> World

> > > Food Day against the...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-and-corn-blends

> > >

> > > a.. Committee on Toxicity in Foods and the Environment

> > > The British government has a standing expert Committee on Toxicity in

> > > Foods

> > > and the Environment. It is rather endearingly called COT! It has turned

> > > out

> > > to be an appropriate acronym, because in May, 2002 the Committee turned

> > > its

> > > attention to...

> > >

> > >

>

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/committee-toxicity-in-foods-and-environmen\

t

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Campaign Letter 2002

> > > Weston A Price Foundation Board of Directors Sally Fallon, MA,

> President

> > > and

> > > Treasurer Enig, PhD, Vice President Geoffrey Morell, ND, JP,

> > > Secretary

> > > Tom Cowan, MD Joyce Forristal June, 2002 Dear Friends, We are now

> > > beginning our third year...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-campaign-letter-2002

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Lecithin: From Sludge to Profit

> > > Excerpt from Kaayla 's book: The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side

> of

> > > America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring 2004) . Lecithin is

> an

> > > emulsifying substance that is found in the cells of all living

> organisms.

> > > The French scientist Maurice...

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-lecithin-from-sludge-to-profit

> > >

> > > a.. Manganese Madness

> > > When Jonathon son, environmental health scientist, began planning a

> > > two-day conference on toxic metals, his thoughts turned to the internal

> > > combustion engine. Day One he dedicated to lead of the tetraethyl

> variety

> > > added to silence engine knock....

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/manganese-madness

> > >

> > > a.. Soy and Sanitation

> > > SOY AND SANITATION: POOR REASON TO GO VEGAN Fears about salmonella

> > > poisoning, listeria, swine flu and avian flu from animal foods are

> > > boosting

> > > the market for soy and other vegan foodstuffs and supplements. The

> demand

> > > gets its main boost from vegans,...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-and-sanitation

> > >

> > > a.. Third International Soy Symposium

> > > The Third International Soy Symposium, held in Washington, DC November

> > > 1999,

> > > sparked a new round of promotional hype for soy products, particularly

> soy

> > > milk--now sold in supermarkets--and soy isoflavones--now sold as

> > > supplements

> > > for everything from...

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/third-international-soy-symposium

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Recovery: The Toxic Metal Component

> > > What's the first step in soy recovery? Eliminating soy from the diet,

> of

> > > course, but for the average American this is easier said than done. In

> > > brief, we must cut out processed, packaged and fast foods and return

> to a

> > > traditional diet based on whole...

> > >

> > >

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-recovery-the-toxic-metal-component

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Bioterrorism

> > > The Weston A. Price Foundation has filed a lawsuit in the state of

> > > Illinois,

> > > seeking a permanent injunction against the serving of soy-based prison

> > > meals. In a recent press release on the case (

> > > westonaprice.org/press/press-13jul09. html ), we noted...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-bioterrorism

> > >

> > > a.. Not So Soy Healthy For The Heart

> > > Soy does not lower cholesterol, does not prevent heart disease and does

> > > not

> > > deserve an FDA-approved soy heart health claim. This amazing

> announcement

> > > comes from none other than the American Heart Association (AHA)

> published

> > > in

> > > the January 17, 2006...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/not-so-soy-healthy-for-the-heart

> > >

> > > a.. Soyful Tales

> > > SOY MAY HELP MEN REMEMBER ANNIVERSARIES Believe it or not, the soy

> > > industry

> > > is now promising new and improved men-men who not only have better

> > > " working

> > > memories, " but men who might even remember anniversaries! Led by

> > > Howe

> > > at the University of...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soyful-tales

> > >

> > > a.. Soy: Singing the Low-Carb Blues

> > > Over the past decade, soy has been widely promoted as a " miracle " food

> > > that

> > > can prevent heart disease, fight cancer, fan away hot flashes and build

> > > strong bones and bodies in far more than 12 ways. Lately its

> > > health-building

> > > reputation has been kicked...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-singing-the-low-carb-blues

> > >

> > > a.. Soy Alert! Update, Winter 2004

> > > Impaired Intestinal Development Two studies carried out by nutrition

> > > professor Sharon Donovan at the University of Illinois show that the

> soy

> > > isoflavone genistein, in amounts present in commercial soy infant

> formula,

> > > may inhibit intestinal cell growth...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-alert-update-winter-2004

> > >

> > > a.. One Woman's Story

> > > This is my true story, nothing altered. These are facts as they relate

> to

> > > my

> > > experience, my opinions based on what I have read and felt. I am

> relating

> > > them to warn other young health-conscious women who are unwittingly

> > > harming

> > > themselves and so that...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/one-womans-story

> > >

> > > a.. Soy: The Quiet Conquest

> > > I. The Soybean and Its Family Today everyone, whether he wishes it or

> not,

> > > whether living in an advanced or backward country, is confronted by the

> > > soybean, although not visibly (apart from the modish foods like tofu,

> soy

> > > milk, meat and sausage...

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/soy-the-quiet-conquest

> > >

> > > a..

> > >

> > >

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> > And I have read that they do receive funding from the meat and

> > dairy industry.

>

> You probably read that on some vegan website, as they are the idiots who

> usually make that claim. The fact is, the WAPF is against factory farmed

> meat and dairy, so it makes zero sense that the meat and dairy factory

> farming industry would give them money.

>

>

In any event, they are a lot like the Young Earth Creationists who invent

their own science to try and make sense out of their nonsense.

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> It makes the world of difference if it is unfermented or fermented soy

> products that are eaten - it makes the difference of having breast cancer

> like a person I met a few days ago or not haveing cancer, for only one

> reason...... This lady I met....she is a vegaretarian and eats lots of

> unfermemted soy products for at least 2 meals every single day as she said

> that soy is her protein. Actually to be correct, she is not sure if she

> still has cancer -- she has just finished a course of chemo treatments ....

> But instead of being happy that they think the cancer is probably gone, she

> is agonizing that she might get the cancer back again . She seems to

> alternate between agonizing that she may get the cancer back and trying to

> convince herself that it was all the plastic that she was exposed to as a

> nurse that caused the breast cancer & the unfermented soy had nothing to do

> with it........... and believe me she is trying so very very hard to

> convince herself that all the soy she eats does not have anything to do

> with the cancer.............it is very sad..............and everyone at her

> place of employment now feels very sorry for her..... In my opinion the

> emotional pain she goes through is by far her worst pain............

>

> Personally I will pass this scenario................

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

>

http://www.soyfoods.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/JAMA%20Xiao%20Shu%20JAMA%2012.8.\

09%20Soy%20Food%20Intake%20and%20Breast%20Cancer%20Survival.pdf

>

>

> > > >

> > > >... And in my opinion, HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT WHEN

> CONSIDERING

> > >

> > > >SOY:..... Okinawans consume 60-120 grams of soy protein per day and

> have

> > > >the longest, healthiest lives of any population on the planet. ...

> > >

> > > But do the Okinawans eat 60-120 grams/day of Unfermented soy?

> > > Or, do the Okinawans eat primarily Fermented soy?

> > >

> > > What is that ratio of Fermented to Unfermented soy (that the Okinawans

> > > consume)?

> > >

> > > And...

> > > What proves the theory that soy consumption itself, extends Okinawans'

> > > life-spans?

> > > Is this theory supported by any evidence, or merely the " apparent,

> > > statistical coincidence " ?

> > >

> >

> > Who cares? They eat soy and so do many healthy Americans. I consider all

> of

> > that anti soy stuff to be nothing more than a bunch of loony babble.

> >

> > >

> > > >... These Western Price people have an axe to grind and huge financial

> > >

> > > >losses and they will misrepresent the scientific literature in any way

> > > that

> > > >they can to scare people away from soy and get them to eat lots of fat

> > > >filled, cholesterol rich meats and dairy. The soy industry has hit

> them

> > > >hard. And they are fighting back.

> > >

> > > This sounds ideological, and not logical, because *most* soy is fed

> > > directly to the farm animals that some people eventually eat. The soy

> > > industry makes huge profits, when people buy " soy-fed " animal meat. And

> > > reducing that meat consumption will directly hurt " the poor soy

> producers " ,

> > > unless they (i.e., mega-cartel agriculture) can get people to eat those

> > > huge volumes of GMO-soy, that the farm animals are now eating.

> > >

> > > How to get people to eat up, that *huge* GMO-soy crop? ... How about a

> > > U.N. Tax, to subsidize low-cost, GMO-soy foods for everyone on the

> planet?

> > > GMO-Soy for All; Yum, Yum, Yum! GMO-soy foods " to prevent population

> > > reduction " ... Or else, to " secretly " cause it, with a " plausible

> > > deniability " ?

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> > Well there are lots and lots of very healthy eating plenty of it, and

> none

> > of them have been possessed by demons or anything like that. Their arms

> and

> > legs haven't fallen off and I'm pretty sure that it hasn't turned them

> gay.

> >

> > >

> > > ..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

That's an interesting study, done in Shanghai China, but it fails to mention if

the " soy food " was all natural, or what part was Roundup-Ready-GMO soy (like

most

Americans usually eat), and also how much of it was unfermented or fermented

soy.

(Also, what portion of the anti-cancer effect was due to " non-soy " (*) factors?)

You might not care about details like those, but their omission devalues the

studies findings, which will not automatically apply to other " soy food " diets,

that are neither created equal, nor equally healthy.

Bill

(*) " At the 6-month interview, women who had high levels of soy food intake

tended to also have higher intakes of meats, including red meat, white meat, and

fish, and cruciferous vegetables and were more likely to have received

chemotherapy and/or radical mastectomy, to drink tea, to have high BMI, to

engage in exercise, and to have more vitamin supplement use but were less likely

to have received radiotherapy compared with women who had lower levels of soy

food consumption... "

--- At 10:53 PM 11 12 2011, Chuck wrote:

>

>> [... Soy Food Intake and Breast Cancer Survival ...]

>>

>>

http://www.soyfoods.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/JAMA%20Xiao%20Shu%20JAMA%2012.8.\

09%20Soy%20Food%20Intake%20and%20Breast%20Cancer%20Survival.pdf

>>

>> [...]

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am no expert on Chinese diet, but I did find a discussion with a person

asking if the Chinese only eat fermented soy. Here is the answer:

" No, it's not true that Asian cultures use ONLY fermented soy. Actually,

here in China, apart from soy sauce and the so-called " fermented tofu "

(used in very small amounts to flavor dishes), soy is mostly consumed in

its unfermented form: soy milk, soft/hard tofu, tofu skin, dried tofu, etc.

Natto is Japanese, unknown to many in China, and generally considered

disgusting by the few who know it. Tempeh (Indonesian fermented soy) is

also virtually unknown in this part of the world " .

Here is an article about Chinese soy:

http://eatingchina.com/articles/soystory.htm

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

>

> Chuck,

>

> That's an interesting study, done in Shanghai China, but it fails to

> mention if

> the " soy food " was all natural, or what part was Roundup-Ready-GMO soy

> (like most

> Americans usually eat), and also how much of it was unfermented or

> fermented soy.

>

> (Also, what portion of the anti-cancer effect was due to " non-soy " (*)

> factors?)

>

> You might not care about details like those, but their omission devalues

> the

> studies findings, which will not automatically apply to other " soy food "

> diets,

> that are neither created equal, nor equally healthy.

>

> Bill

>

> (*) " At the 6-month interview, women who had high levels of soy food

> intake tended to also have higher intakes of meats, including red meat,

> white meat, and fish, and cruciferous vegetables and were more likely to

> have received chemotherapy and/or radical mastectomy, to drink tea, to have

> high BMI, to engage in exercise, and to have more vitamin supplement use

> but were less likely to have received radiotherapy compared with women who

> had lower levels of soy food consumption... "

>

> --- At 10:53 PM 11 12 2011, Chuck wrote:

> >

> >> [... Soy Food Intake and Breast Cancer Survival ...]

> >>

> >>

>

http://www.soyfoods.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/JAMA%20Xiao%20Shu%20JAMA%2012.8.\

09%20Soy%20Food%20Intake%20and%20Breast%20Cancer%20Survival.pdf

> >>

> >> [...]

> >>

> >

> >

>

>

>