Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Where are you Ruth? This thistle grows wild here in Oklahoma. The stem is very prickly - so wear gloves! Judy --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 > > Has anybody ever heard of, seen or smelled the MUSK THISTLE? > The Latin name is " Carduus nutans " . <snip> I might have some in the horses field, lots of thistles at the moment but I've never got close enough to smell them! Will go check them out this afternoon and report back... LLx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 > > Has anybody ever heard of, seen or smelled the MUSK THISTLE? > The Latin name is " Carduus nutans " . > It says in this book I have that " The large crimson flower-head, two > inches or more across, hangs on its curved stalk in a drooping manner, > giving out an agreeable scent, which has been compared to musk. " > > http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/t/thistl11.html > > I would love to find this thistle. I need more hours in the day. If > anybody knows of it or has found some let me know. > > Ruth > http://www.whitewitch.ie > It grows as a weed all over the place here in Michigan. My herbalist sells a product made with milk thistle extract, dandelion root, and artichoke for liver support. As for fragrance, I've never gotten close enough to take a whiff, they are indeed very prickly plants. I'll keep an eye open when I go out to the gardens today. iel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 In France we commonly distill carduus marinus, for aromatherapy purpose, this thistle stands straight. Carduus nutans seems not to be such a common carduus in Europe, I think that Ireland, might have them, if there is hardwater, and it grows where there is hard water, sheeps, and sand and rivers yes. I did not knew that it was interesting for perfumery....they are very common in the Pyrénées in my country, so I often crossed them. They love Ground fallow lands, feed, edges of roads, especially on calcareous soils, sandy banks of rivers, lowbrow places, places where herds of cows are used to couch,(maybe other animals). A link in english about it, on a very interesting website http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Carduus+nutans A link to pictures of carduus nutans, we can find so many species of carduus, in France we call it " bending thistle " (chardon couché) I think it is very clear. http://www.lejardindesophie.net/jardinautes/sophie/paplantes/c/carduus nut.htm http://www.fleurs-des-champs.com/fic/fiches/f80.htm I might ask to small distillers in south of France, I know 3 of them, near Grasse, near Nyons, and in the Pyrénées who are interested in Natural Perfumery (thanks to me) if they could try to distill or macerate wild and not polluted musk thistle ...for NP people ? What do you think about this crazy idea ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Several years ago Tony Burfield recommended a lot of musk-scented plants, told us we should explore them. You can check the archives on this. I do know that there are two essences we speak of a lot here that contain macrocyclic musks, which mimic the animal musks: ambrette seed and angelica root. They're not found in the other vegetal musk sources. -- Sincerely, Anya Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://AnyasGarden.com Natural Perfumers Guild http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com Natural Perfumers 1200+ members Group http://tinyurl.com/78kmv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote: Has anybody ever heard of, seen or smelled the MUSK THISTLE? The Latin name is " Carduus nutans " . I would love to find this thistle. Ruth http://www.whitewitch.ie Hi Ruth If the url is giving the other names it goes by then I am familiar with the milk thistle... it is used in tinctures by herbalists for supporting the liver .....I think..... this is off the top of my head. I have some milk thistle tincture.... as far as perfume... not familiar with its scent.... Musk Thistle. " A prickly biennial herb 1-3 feet high somewhat resembling the Spear thistle - Cirsium vulagre (Savi) Ten. The nodding reddish purple hemispherical capitula, 1 1/4-1 3/4 inches in diameter are solitary at th ends of short sparsely branched or unbranched stalks. The outer , sharply tipped purplish involucral bracts are reflexed. The pale brown achenes bear a pappus of simple deciduous hairs, distict from the plumose hairs of Cirsium. Musk Thistle is common in some parts of England and Wales, but is rare or local in Scotland and Ireland; it grows in cultivated and waste ground, preferring light, shady or chalky soils. Th ripe seeds ar often fed to cage birds. Carduus is a Latin for various thistles, nutans, derived from nutare, ' to nod ' or ' droop ' , refers to th nodding flower-heads. British Wild Flowrers, Kew Series. I'll keep a look out for it .... and get back if I see one.... with every good wish, Janita http://www.hayspace.co.uk --------------------------------- Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote: Has anybody ever heard of, seen or smelled the MUSK THISTLE? The Latin name is " Carduus nutans " . I would love to find this thistle. Ruth http://www.whitewitch.ie Hi Ruth If the url is giving the other names it goes by then I am familiar with the milk thistle... it is used in tinctures by herbalists for supporting the liver .....I think..... this is off the top of my head. I have some milk thistle tincture.... as far as perfume... not familiar with its scent.... Musk Thistle. " A prickly biennial herb 1-3 feet high somewhat resembling the Spear thistle - Cirsium vulagre (Savi) Ten. The nodding reddish purple hemispherical capitula, 1 1/4-1 3/4 inches in diameter are solitary at th ends of short sparsely branched or unbranched stalks. The outer , sharply tipped purplish involucral bracts are reflexed. The pale brown achenes bear a pappus of simple deciduous hairs, distict from the plumose hairs of Cirsium. Musk Thistle is common in some parts of England and Wales, but is rare or local in Scotland and Ireland; it grows in cultivated and waste ground, preferring light, shady or chalky soils. Th ripe seeds ar often fed to cage birds. Carduus is a Latin for various thistles, nutans, derived from nutare, ' to nod ' or ' droop ' , refers to th nodding flower-heads. British Wild Flowrers, Kew Series. I'll keep a look out for it .... and get back if I see one.... with every good wish, Janita http://www.hayspace.co.uk --------------------------------- Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 > > > > > Has anybody ever heard of, seen or smelled the MUSK THISTLE? > > The Latin name is " Carduus nutans " . > > <snip> > > I might have some in the horses field, lots of thistles at the moment > but I've never got close enough to smell them! > Will go check them out this afternoon and report back... > LLx Sorry - they dont nod and they dont smell, they just prickle.. LLx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 > I might ask to small distillers in south of France, I know 3 of them, > near Grasse, near Nyons, and in the Pyrénées who are interested in > Natural Perfumery (thanks to me) if they could try to distill or > macerate wild and not polluted musk thistle ...for NP people ? > What do you think about this crazy idea ? > Ahem! This is not a crazy idea. I was hoping that someone would say they had some growing in their garden but this is EVEN better. Please Please DO! I want this musk thistle essence. Thank you! Ruth http://www.whitewitch.ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 >> I might have some in the horses field, lots of thistles at the >> moment >> but I've never got close enough to smell them! >> Will go check them out this afternoon and report back... >> LLx > > Sorry - they dont nod and they dont smell, they just prickle.. > LLx > i was thinking this same thing, that they dont smell....they were in ohio, aplenty when i grew up but really..i am thinking early am would be best to smell them if they have any scent, eh? since the dew would invoke some scent with the sun on it in early am? just a thought, but my guess was that there would not be a pronounced scent. xoxo L Libby /510-290-4028 http://web.mac.com/libbypatterson http://www.angelicaromas.com http://www.priestessofalchemy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 >> I might have some in the horses field, lots of thistles at the >> moment >> but I've never got close enough to smell them! >> Will go check them out this afternoon and report back... >> LLx > > Sorry - they dont nod and they dont smell, they just prickle.. > LLx > i was thinking this same thing, that they dont smell....they were in ohio, aplenty when i grew up but really..i am thinking early am would be best to smell them if they have any scent, eh? since the dew would invoke some scent with the sun on it in early am? just a thought, but my guess was that there would not be a pronounced scent. xoxo L Libby /510-290-4028 http://web.mac.com/libbypatterson http://www.angelicaromas.com http://www.priestessofalchemy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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