Re: OT--garden for perfumery

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Adam Gottschalk wrote:

> What suggestions

> do people have for a fragrant flower and herb garden? I know that's a

> doozy, but I live in Portland Oregon

> A few I'm thinking of:

>

> carnation (heirloom fragrant kind)

> hyacinth

> lilac

> lily

> gardenia

> geranium

> etc.

>

> Can someone tell me how to harvest roses for use in perfumery? I've

> kept roses before, but the only task a " normal " person has is to dead-

> head them. If I want to harvest flowers to use their petals, for

> otto, potpourri, etc., what's the " right " time to cut them? Any

> particular, especially fragrant, varieties I should look for?

>

Harvest in the morning as the dew burns off, but before the sun gets hot.

> Would tuberose grow around here or is that more of a warm-weather

> flower?

Tuberose should grow fine, but it has to be dug up and stored over the

winter inside. Search on the archives, I think B wrote a lot about

this in the past.

I'd use Sweet Woodruff as a groundcover. It dies back in the winter,

first to appear in the Spring with shiny leaves and tiny white flowers.

Drying brings out the coumarin flavor and scent. You can search the

archives on this, too.

--

Sincerely, Anya

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>

> I'm just about to move into a house. The lot is big enough I can

have

> some serious garden space next season. I can't garden anymore,

> unfortunately, but my intention is to hire a gardener. I will have

> that person garden organically using hand tools.

>

> The house has a couple of roses and a jasmine bush. What suggestions

> do people have for a fragrant flower and herb garden? I know that's

a

> doozy, but I live in Portland Oregon so that should narrow the field

> a bit. I have a book that ties natural cosmetics to one's garden,

but

> it doesn't exactly lay out any garden plans. Are there other

resources?

Hi Adam!

That is very exciting! Cograts!! I started my own fragrant planting

this year, and it has been very rewarding on a personal level. Most of

my selections were herbs, but I bought a couple heirloom roses, 2

jasmines, northern bayberry bushes, black peonies, and witch hazel. I

have kept the tropical plants in large containers and plan on bringing

them in for fall. My palmarosa, vetiver, citronella, and patchouli are

all doing well in their pots, but the jasmines are taking their time.

There are many organic nurseries in your area of the country, so you

shouldn't have trouble finding what you want. I haven't purchased from

any of them, so I couldn't tell you about their products.

As far as garden plans, how about visiting the local library? I live in

area with strong ties to its n past, so victorian gardening

resources are readily available here-just not my style. For me, a good

range of books provides the best source of inspirational material.

iel

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> Adam Gottschalk wrote:

>> What suggestions

>> do people have for a fragrant flower and herb garden? I know that's a

>> doozy, but I live in Portland Oregon

>> A few I'm thinking of:

>>

>> carnation (heirloom fragrant kind)

>> hyacinth

>> lilac

>> lily

>> gardenia

>> geranium

>> etc.

> Tuberose should grow fine, but it has to be dug up and stored over

> the

> winter inside. Search on the archives, I think B wrote a lot

> about

> this in the past.

>

> I'd use Sweet Woodruff as a groundcover. It dies back in the winter,

what about a variety of heirloom roses adam?

they would grow there

honeysuckle, jasmine toooooooo...

cedar, peppermint, spearmint, and the firs, etc

meyer lemon? hmmm...??

xoxxxooxxo

L

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> Adam Gottschalk wrote:

> > What suggestions do people have for a fragrant flower and herb

> > garden? I know that's a doozy, but I live in Portland Oregon

> > A few I'm thinking of:

> >

> > carnation (heirloom fragrant kind)

> > hyacinth

> > lilac

> > lily

> > gardenia

> > geranium

> > etc.

> >

> > Can someone tell me how to harvest roses for use in perfumery?

> > Any particular, especially fragrant, varieties I should look for?

> >

Hi Adam, I second Anya's recommendation of Sweet Woodruff. I've always

grown it up here and it goes nuts. I don't know if you were talking

about Asian lilies, or lily of the valley on your list, but I grow

both, as well as all the other ones on your list, and they do really

well up here. You just want to make sure you overwinter your geraniums

in a garage or basement or garden shed. And with our deep freeze last

winter, I lost my geraniums in the garden shed.

Also, Lemon Verbena (Aloysia triphylla) is intensely fragrant and does

well here. I'd always overwintered mine inside in pots. Last winter I

left them in the ground and covered them. They're doing great this

year.

As for the roses, look in the archives -- I believe it was iel

who was asking about highly fragrant ones late last winter or early

spring, and a bunch of us had quite a chat going about them.

Others that do well in my yard: Sweet violets, mock orange blossom,

Styrax japonica, bay laurel (Laurus nobilis), rosemary, thyme (makes

great low border hedge), tarragon, parsley, sage, pineapple sage, lemon

balm (also makes great low border hedge), bee balm (Monarda didyma),

valerian, wormwood (artemisia vulgaris).

Anyway, this is probably more than you wanted to know. But hopefully

it gives you some ideas. Congrats on getting a house! It's so nice to

have a yard that you can grow fun things in.

Cheers!

Andrine

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>

> Others that do well in my yard: Sweet violets, mock orange blossom,

> Styrax japonica, bay laurel (Laurus nobilis), rosemary, thyme (makes

> great low border hedge), tarragon, parsley, sage, pineapple sage,

> lemon

> balm (also makes great low border hedge), bee balm (Monarda didyma),

> valerian, wormwood (artemisia vulgaris).

>

> Anyway, this is probably more than you wanted to know. But hopefully

> it gives you some ideas. Congrats on getting a house! It's so

> nice to

> have a yard that you can grow fun things in.

>

> Cheers!

> Andrine

>

hey andrine, wow, i had forgotten a bout mock orange, i had a huge

bush the size of my living room in virginia, WHEN i lived backed up

to a golf course of 15 acres...also had peony there as well...hmm

thanks for those memories, hun~!!!

L

Libby /510-290-4028

http://web.mac.com/libbypatterson

http://www.angelicaromas.com

http://www.priestessofalchemy.com

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>

> I'm just about to move into a house. The lot is big enough I can

have

> some serious garden space next season. I can't garden anymore,

> unfortunately, but my intention is to hire a gardener. I will have

> that person garden organically using hand tools.

>

> The house has a couple of roses and a jasmine bush. What

suggestions

> do people have for a fragrant flower and herb garden? I know that's

a

> doozy, but I live in Portland Oregon so that should narrow the

field

> a bit. I have a book that ties natural cosmetics to one's garden,

but

> it doesn't exactly lay out any garden plans. Are there other

resources?

>

> A few I'm thinking of:

>

> carnation (heirloom fragrant kind)

> hyacinth

> lilac

> lily

> gardenia

> geranium

> etc.

>

> Can someone tell me how to harvest roses for use in perfumery?

I've

> kept roses before, but the only task a " normal " person has is to

dead-

> head them. If I want to harvest flowers to use their petals, for

> otto, potpourri, etc., what's the " right " time to cut them? Any

> particular, especially fragrant, varieties I should look for?

>

> Would tuberose grow around here or is that more of a warm-weather

> flower?

>

Adam,

There is a fragrant garden group here on , pretty good.

FragrantGarden/?yguid=271521300

Kathy

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> What suggestions

> do people have for a fragrant flower and herb garden? I know that's a

> doozy, but I live in Portland Oregon so that should narrow the field

> a bit.

----

Hi Adam,

I can't really help as I'm in Galway, west coast of Ireland and the

weather is wet, wet, wet and never gets very hot or very cold. I

wanted to wish you the very best luck with your new house and garden.

If you are in your new house by October can you get your gardener to

plant bulbs like we do here? Then you will have them by spring.

Narcissi are lovely and Freesia are fab too, would they grow well

where you are?

Also Night Scented Stock is amazing. I wish I had the space and time

to garden and I wish my puppy hadn't dug up my all of my woodland plants.

Ruth

http://www.whitewitch.ie

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On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Ruth Ruane wrote:

>

>> What suggestions

>> do people have for a fragrant flower and herb garden? I know that's a

>> doozy, but I live in Portland Oregon so that should narrow the field

>> a bit.

> ----

> Hi Adam,

>

> I can't really help as I'm in Galway, west coast of Ireland and the

> weather is wet, wet, wet and never gets very hot or very cold. I

> wanted to wish you the very best luck with your new house and garden.

> If you are in your new house by October can you get your gardener to

> plant bulbs like we do here? Then you will have them by spring.

> Narcissi are lovely and Freesia are fab too, would they grow well

> where you are?

> Also Night Scented Stock is amazing. I wish I had the space and time

> to garden and I wish my puppy hadn't dug up my all of my woodland

> plants.

>

> Ruth

> http://www.whitewitch.ie

Thanks for the responses.

I was just talking to a friend about freesia last night. I move in

two days from now, so plenty of time. That's a great idea Ruth. I'm

sure there are other fall-planted bulbs too that might yield fragrant

fruits.

Thanks Kathy. I'll check out the group.

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> > wrote:

> >> What suggestions

> >> do people have for a fragrant flower and herb garden? I know

that's a

> >> doozy, but I live in Portland Oregon so that should narrow the

field

> >> a bit.

> > ----

Oh my, reading this list of fragrant plants is really exciting my

nose! I too have just moved and will be planting some nice aromatic

gardens too so what a pleasure to read this. Near the top of my list

is lavender. Also, iris - don't know if they are used in perfumes

but many are very aromatic and orris root used as a fixative is a

type of iris.

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Adam,

Yes, congratulations on your new home. I'm a bit envious, although

I'm sure it's a big responsibility, it's good to have your own space

and especially space to garden.

The varieties of fragrant plants are legion. All of the ones

mentioned in other responses are good. As I live in the Midwest I

don't know exactly what will work in your climate, but I've heard

that anything that can grow here, will grow just fine there, and you

can grow things that I cant.

Roses; I would really check out the English Roses. They have the

fragrances and form of old, heirloom roses, but with the repeat

bloom, and sometimes colors, of modern repeat bloomers. So, you get

two for the price of one. I bought one for my mother called Rose

(because her name is anne)last year. It started blooming in

early June this year and has been blooming on and off ever since, and

the fragrance is lovely. In fact, my mouth waters when I read the

descriptions of the English Rose scents in catalogs. I would check

out the Austin website www.davidaustinroses.com.

There is a bush called Carolina Allspice(calyanthus floridus) that

you might be interested in. It has burgundy blooms that have been

discribed as smelling like cinnamon or cinnamon applesauce, or

strawberries.

Lilies are really good. The oriental lilies are the best for

fragrance. Stargazer and Casablanca are classics, but my new

favorite is one called Sumatra-its a deep burgundy. I love those

deep, rich colors.

I'm not totally sure about this, but you might be able to grow

white ginger(Hedychium Coronarium) where you live, and maybe Kahili

ginger too(Hedychium Gardnerianum). I think white ginger is rated to

zone 7 or 8 and I believe that Portland is zone 8, no? I posted a

link in the links section for Aloha Tropicals and they have a bunch

of Hedychiums.

Hyacinths are one of my favorites, I love the purple, blue, and,

magenta varieties. Narcissus is a must as well.

Nicotania has a great, jasmine-like fragrance and would be great to

grow in the summer.

Southern Magnolias might grow in your area too.

Happy gardening,

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Hi Adam and all,

I lived in the Seattle area in Bellevue, WA for 10 years....before moving to the

San Diego area. Going to the Portland Rose Garden was a favorite thing to

do....Adam, I suggest going there and smelling all the different varieties and

getting some idea of the growth habits, flowers - smells and colors......and

record the names and details of your favorites....

At the fair in Del Mar last year I found this lovely white rose.....the name was

like Perfect or Perfume..didn't write it down....It was lovely......the smell

was fab.

Years ago I had a rose garden with hybrid teas......it was a joy to go there in

the morning with the dew still on and have my tea or coffee and just sit and

take it all in.....Smells, colors....butterflies and bees would frequent

them....

All kinds of lovely things to think about. Check with the Agricultural Dept

-govt agency to see about soil conditions and all of the other details

needed.....acid soil tests.....

In Portland you may want to plant some rhodies and azaleas.....some of them have

smells......

California gardening is way different from OR...you usually have cooler, and

more rainy and overcast weather. This is great for some things........just

check it out.

How exciting for you...many hours at 's bookstore coming up.......I used

to spend hours there......

Congrats on the new home.

JoAnne Bassett, natural perfumes http://www.JoAnneBassett.com

Bassett Aromatherapy products http://www.BassettAromatherapy.com