Re: Re: Fwd: Acpuncture course

[Guest guest]

Most DC acupuncture programs are post graduate. So the individual will already have a doctorate. It is not like a kid coming out of high school can slam out 100 hrs and be an acupuncturist.Sent from I-phoneTed Forcum, DC, DACBSPOn Jan 26, 2012, at 12:07 PM, "sharron" <sharronf@...> wrote: Does taking a 100 hours course make one an acupuncturist anywhere? If it does and if i was an acupuncturist i would be most unhappy.s. fuchs dc>> > Hi Everyone,> I asked someone in the know at UWS and this course will not license you to practice LAc in Oregon. > > > Minga Guerrero DC> abowoman@...> > > > > Acpuncture course> > > http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour%20Acupuncture%20Course.pdf> > Hi ,> > I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle them to practice LAc in Oregon. Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me so I can answer them?> > Thanks> > > > Minga Guerrero DC> abowoman@...>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ted. I have heard of DC acupuncture

programs. I am curious if they are the same as theacupuncture ‘acupuncture’

programs, where you start off in acupuncture school not have a prior healing

profession degree? They claim all sorts of stuff in their training and

understanding of things that I know little about not to mention what they claim

are zillion of hours in needling techniques. So it is hard to understand how

one could learn all of the new stuff in 100 hours and call oneself an acupuncturist.

They are totally bent about dry needling of trigger points….if I was them

I would put my unhappiness here at a 100 hour program to be able to call

yourself an acupuncturist.

s. fuchs dc

From: Dr. Ted Forcum

[mailto:TForcum@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012

12:15 PM

Sharron Fuchs

Cc:

Subject: Re: Re:

Fwd: Acpuncture course

Most DC acupuncture programs are post graduate. So the individual will

already have a doctorate. It is not like a kid coming out of high school can

slam out 100 hrs and be an acupuncturist.

Sent from I-phone

Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP

On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:07 PM, " sharron " <sharronf@...> wrote:

Does taking a 100 hours course make one an

acupuncturist anywhere? If it does and if i was an acupuncturist i would be

most unhappy.

s. fuchs dc

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

> I asked someone in the know at UWS and this course will not license you to

practice LAc in Oregon.

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

>

>

>

> Acpuncture course

>

>

> http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour%20Acupuncture%20Course.pdf

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle them

to practice LAc in Oregon.

Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me so I can answer them?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know what Dr. Satya Ambrose, ND, LAc opinion is on this topic? She

is one of the co-instructors listed for the new 100 hour acupuncture program at

UWS local campus. She also teaches at NCNM and on her website there she lists

she a co-founder of Oregon College of Oriental Medicine.

Bill Hartje, DC, MS

Acpuncture course

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>

>

http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour%20Acupu\

ncture%20Course.pdf

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle them to

practice LAc in Oregon. Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me so I can answer

them?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea. She must feel fine about it if she is teaching it. Can you

explain how a 100 hr or even a 200 hr acupuncture training course makes one able

to call oneself an acupuncturist? Who certifies them? And how is that

certification different from the type of training or certification one gets by

going through acupuncture school?

s. fuchs dc

Re: Re: Fwd: Acpuncture course

Does anyone know what Dr. Satya Ambrose, ND, LAc opinion is on this topic? She

is one of the co-instructors listed for the new 100 hour acupuncture program at

UWS local campus. She also teaches at NCNM and on her website there she lists

she a co-founder of Oregon College of Oriental Medicine.

Bill Hartje, DC, MS

Acpuncture course

>

>

>

http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour%20Acupu\

ncture%20Course.pdf

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle them to

practice LAc in Oregon. Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me so I can answer

them?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

[Guest guest]

The DC acupuncture program has been around for decades in many other states, FL, NM, AZ etc. UWS has students from across the country, so an acupuncture program would serve them and align with other colleges like NWHSU, Logan and SCUHS.Sent from I-phoneTed Forcum, DC, DACBSPOn Jan 26, 2012, at 12:22 PM, "Sharron Fuchs" <sharronf@...> wrote: Thanks Ted. I have heard of DC acupunctureprograms. I am curious if they are the same as theacupuncture ‘acupuncture’programs, where you start off in acupuncture school not have a prior healingprofession degree? They claim all sorts of stuff in their training andunderstanding of things that I know little about not to mention what they claimare zillion of hours in needling techniques. So it is hard to understand howone could learn all of the new stuff in 100 hours and call oneself an acupuncturist.They are totally bent about dry needling of trigger points….if I was themI would put my unhappiness here at a 100 hour program to be able to callyourself an acupuncturist. s. fuchs dc From: Dr. Ted Forcum[mailto:TForcum@...] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 201212:15 PMSharron FuchsCc: Subject: Re: Re:Fwd: Acpuncture course Most DC acupuncture programs are post graduate. So the individual willalready have a doctorate. It is not like a kid coming out of high school canslam out 100 hrs and be an acupuncturist.Sent from I-phoneTed Forcum, DC, DACBSP On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:07 PM, "sharron" <sharronf@...> wrote: Does taking a 100 hours course make one anacupuncturist anywhere? If it does and if i was an acupuncturist i would bemost unhappy.s. fuchs dc>> > Hi Everyone,> I asked someone in the know at UWS and this course will not license you topractice LAc in Oregon.> > > Minga Guerrero DC> abowoman@...> > > > > Acpuncture course> > > http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour%20Acupuncture%20Course.pdf> > Hi ,> > I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle themto practice LAc in Oregon.Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me so I can answer them?> > Thanks> > > > Minga Guerrero DC> abowoman@...>

[Guest guest]

The irony about being a chiropractor, is that different states have different

scope laws for our profession. In some states you can practice acupuncture, as

a DC. Some states require a chiro. to call themselves a " Certified

acupuncturist " , " chiropractic acupuncturist " and others " registered " to perform

acupuncture. You would have to look at each individual state's DC laws. The

ACA has a council on acupuncture and I am sure they would be able to give you

the most up to date info.

Bill

Acpuncture course

>

>

>

http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour%20Acupu\

ncture%20Course.pdf

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle them to

practice LAc in Oregon. Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me so I can answer

them?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

[Guest guest]

So, I presume unlike Oregon where acupuncturists are under the

Board of Medical Examiners, a DC acupuncturist is a separate entity and free

from having to be under another board?

s. fuchs dc

From: Dr. Ted Forcum

[mailto:TForcum@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012

1:20 PM

Sharron Fuchs

Cc:

Subject: Re: Re:

Fwd: Acpuncture course

The DC acupuncture program has been around for decades in many other

states, FL, NM, AZ etc. UWS has students from across the country, so an

acupuncture program would serve them and align with other colleges like NWHSU,

Logan and SCUHS.

Sent from I-phone

Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP

On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:22 PM, " Sharron Fuchs " <sharronf@...> wrote:

Thanks Ted. I have heard of DC acupuncture programs. I am curious

if they are the same as theacupuncture ‘acupuncture’ programs, where you start

off in acupuncture school not have a prior healing profession degree? They

claim all sorts of stuff in their training and understanding of things that I

know little about not to mention what they claim are zillion of hours in

needling techniques. So it is hard to understand how one could learn all of the

new stuff in 100 hours and call oneself an acupuncturist. They are totally bent

about dry needling of trigger points….if I was them I would put my unhappiness

here at a 100 hour program to be able to call yourself an acupuncturist.

s. fuchs dc

From: Dr. Ted Forcum

[mailto:TForcum@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012

12:15 PM

Sharron Fuchs

Cc:

Subject: Re: Re:

Fwd: Acpuncture course

Most DC

acupuncture programs are post graduate. So the individual will already have a

doctorate. It is not like a kid coming out of high school can slam out 100 hrs

and be an acupuncturist.

Sent from I-phone

Ted Forcum, DC,

DACBSP

On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:07 PM, " sharron " <sharronf@...> wrote:

Does

taking a 100 hours course make one an acupuncturist anywhere? If it does and if

i was an acupuncturist i would be most unhappy.

s. fuchs dc

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

> I asked someone in the know at UWS and this course will not license you to

practice LAc in Oregon.

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

>

>

>

> Acpuncture course

>

>

> http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour%20Acupuncture%20Course.pdf

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle them

to practice LAc in Oregon.

Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me so I can answer them?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

[Guest guest]

So why can't a DC with one of those titles practice acupuncture here in

Oregon?

s. fuchs dc

Re: Re: Fwd: Acpuncture course

The irony about being a chiropractor, is that different states have

different scope laws for our profession. In some states you can

practice acupuncture, as a DC. Some states require a chiro. to call

themselves a " Certified acupuncturist " , " chiropractic acupuncturist " and

others " registered " to perform acupuncture. You would have to look at

each individual state's DC laws. The ACA has a council on acupuncture

and I am sure they would be able to give you the most up to date info.

Bill

Acpuncture course

>

>

>

http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour

%20Acupuncture%20Course.pdf

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle

them to practice LAc in Oregon. Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me

so I can answer them?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

[Guest guest]

Go Figure.......I am not the legal mind. I completed Dr. Yennie's 100

hour acupuncture program, sponsored by Texas Chiropractic College, many years

ago, and as you know completed the Dry Needling course with Dr. Fishkin and

still we can't practice Dry Needling (not acupuncture) in this state. Funny

profession we are in!

Bill

Acpuncture course

>

>

>

http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour

%20Acupuncture%20Course.pdf

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will entitle

them to practice LAc in Oregon. Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me

so I can answer them?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>

[Guest guest]

FYI. Here

is an ACA diplomate exam after 300 hours of training. I looked up NCCAOM which

is behind several of the doctors names below, and it is a certifying body. In

their certification handbook it says that you can be trained by several routes

ie academic, apprenticeship or a combination of both but you must have met the requirements

of training regardless of route before you can sit for the certifying exam. If

you are academically trained (see page 26) you must have 1490 hours of training

prior to taking the certifying exam.

http://www.nccaom.org/wp-content/uploads/pdf/2011%20Certification%20Handbook.pdf

Given the

number of hours required to obtain a NCCAOM title I find it interesting that

the Drs. below have put their name next to a diplomate exam that only requires

a 300 hour training course. (Perhaps they realized how little it really takes

to get trained?)

Again, if

I was an acupuncturist, I would be more concerned about the 100, 200 or 300

hours of training required to call yourself an acupuncturist than I would about

treating myofascial trigger points.

s. fuchs

dc

Chiropractic Acupuncture: Diplomate Exam in 2009

By Todd Frisch, DC, ABCA president; Jon Sunderlage, DC, Dipl Ac

(NCCAOM), CCA president; Yennie, DC, Dipl Ac (NCCAOM), CCA president

emeritus; Lawrence Beem, DC, FASA; Joy Sunderlage, DC, Dipl Ac (NCCAOM)

The

ACA Council of Chiropractic Acupuncture (CCA) and the American Board of

Chiropractic Acupuncture (ABCA) are developing the first ACA Chiropractic

Acupuncture 300-hour diplomate examination, expected to be available in the

first quarter of 2009.

The

ABCA was created to credential knowledgeable, safe and effective chiropractic

practitioners in the art, science and philosophy of acupuncture within

nationally recognized standards. Its main function is to evaluate and test

candidates in chiropractic acupuncture who meet 300 hours of prerequisite

education and training in accordance with established educational standards.

Making this certification program possible requires developing guidelines and

protocols of psychometric evaluation, including our bylaws, the

candidates’ handbook, study guide, certification examination procedures

manual, proctors manual, reference book list, and most important, creating a

challenging written and oral/practical diplomate exam. At present, phases I

and II of the Delphi Study have been completed. All handbooks, guides, and

manuals are in their final stages.

Under

the guidance of ACA and the American Board of Chiropractic Specialties, ABCA

has started gathering sample questions from all CCE-approved acupuncture

educational programs and teachers, field doctors who use acupuncture in their

practices, and the ABCA board. The goal is to create a bank of 1,000

questions to utilize for future diplomate exams.

Notifications

about the upcoming exam will be published four months prior to the

examination date. Diplomate examination review will be scheduled one month

prior to the exam. Transcripts documenting 300 postgraduate hours in

chiropractic acupuncture are required for those who wish to sit for the

exams.

To

receive notification regarding the exam date, application details, exam

review date, and ABCA Web page, please e-mail your name, degree, and contact

information to D. Yennie, DC, at ryenniedc@....

Those

holding state licenses as acupuncturists, NCCAOM, initial ACA council and

board officers, and post-graduate acupuncture instructors (with a minimum of

10 years of experience) are encouraged to submit proof of credentials by Dec.

31, 2009, to qualify for DABCA in lieu of the 300-hour diplomate exam

requirement.

Re: Re: Fwd: Acpuncture course

The irony about being a chiropractor, is that different states have

different scope laws for our profession. In some states you can practice

acupuncture, as a DC. Some states require a chiro. to call themselves a

" Certified acupuncturist " , " chiropractic acupuncturist " and

others " registered " to perform acupuncture. You would have to

look at each individual state's DC laws. The ACA has a council on

acupuncture and I am sure they would be able to give you the most up to date

info.

Bill

Acpuncture course

>

>

>

http://www.uws.edu/Lists/ContinuingEdCalendar/Attachments/207/100%20Hour%20Acupuncture%20Course.pdf

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have several DCs on the listserv asking if this course will

entitle them to practice LAc in Oregon.

Some are answering, NO. Can you tell me so I can answer them?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Minga Guerrero DC

> abowoman@...

>