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Anyonw who missed the Oprah show can get the book, " You, The Owners Manual "

by Drs. Oz and Roizen. They were the two docs on the show and the book covers

everything on the show in much greater detail. I can tell you reading it is

changing my life.

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hi.. I personally think... that maybe it was last minute and maybe she refused to go on unless she could say what she could in a matter of SECONDS... IT IS A START.............................IT IS A START.. LiaSee what's free at AOL.com.

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It's a start, what said on the show. It wasn't perfect but it

was put out there. is a mom and she is doing what she can. I

too wish that " Thimerosal " or " mercury " would have been spoken, but

after a ton of fluff information and " awareness " only shows, it's

great to at least get this far. doesn't have to say who she

is to be given credibility - she is a mom of a child with autism and

she said it perfectly when she said she owes it to her son to do

everything she can to help him. She is humble, emotional, smart and

someone other moms can relate to.

>

> I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype on

this

> group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is the

> Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or . is

> for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and Bob

> of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

disclosed????

> It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

hands

> full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this Oprah

> show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism Speaks

> and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and daddy.

If

> this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

> was.

>

> Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach her.

> got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines. She

> should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer reviewed

> science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in vaccines

is

> overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't done

your

> homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should

google

> the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-Dahr,

> Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

Perhaps

> you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA need

to

> do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such a

> public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun on

> this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our opinions

to

> the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

>

> Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

community.

> Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and

> vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah

> totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt that

> her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued by

the

> beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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It's a start, what said on the show. It wasn't perfect but it

was put out there. is a mom and she is doing what she can. I

too wish that " Thimerosal " or " mercury " would have been spoken, but

after a ton of fluff information and " awareness " only shows, it's

great to at least get this far. doesn't have to say who she

is to be given credibility - she is a mom of a child with autism and

she said it perfectly when she said she owes it to her son to do

everything she can to help him. She is humble, emotional, smart and

someone other moms can relate to.

>

> I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype on

this

> group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is the

> Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or . is

> for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and Bob

> of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

disclosed????

> It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

hands

> full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this Oprah

> show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism Speaks

> and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and daddy.

If

> this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

> was.

>

> Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach her.

> got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines. She

> should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer reviewed

> science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in vaccines

is

> overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't done

your

> homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should

google

> the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-Dahr,

> Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

Perhaps

> you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA need

to

> do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such a

> public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun on

> this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our opinions

to

> the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

>

> Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

community.

> Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and

> vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah

> totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt that

> her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued by

the

> beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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I don't think the point of praising on this board is to forget about the

past or ignore

what yet needs to be done... but to begin to involve her in a much louder and

proactive

activism.

I agree with you about A.S., but If this community could get someone like

-

Hildebrand to shout as loud as we do... it's going to help us.

She's possibly as fed up with A.S. as we are... maybe more so. She's taken a

FIRST STEP.

Maybe not a big one, but she's facing the right direction.

Let's welcome her and not be judgmental for the " sins of the father. "

Let's build bridges and inroads with the people who have strong media influence

and a

desire to effect change.

>

> ,

>

> I am a dad, but, I do NOT think most moms relate to:

>

> A multimillionaire whos daddy is the Chair of NBC

> Who has hidden the fact she does biomedical.

> Whose child was the catylst for a huge organization like AS.

> Who goes on Oprah and doesn't say who she is or what she believes.

> Who didn't refute that autism is treatable.

> Has unlimited financial resources, connections and access to the media

> but has remain silent until last week.

> Has full time people to help her cook, clean and take care of her children.

> Attends a private school for autism and doesn't have to deal with IEP's.

> Elitism is alive and well at AS, Most moms on this list are not elitists.

>

>

> Please quit praising and giving her a pass on this missed opportunity.

> She bombed. Don't call it sour grapes either for those on this list who were

> very disappointed. She could have easily mentioned in less than one minute

>

> Burtons 3 year investigation

> The lack of science proving vaccine saftey

> The mercury far exceeds government saftey standards.

> The MMR horror stories.

> GI issues and her experience with Krigsman

> The CAA has not been funded.

>

>

>

> I am sorry, But, I will give the moms on this list more credit than saying

hit a

home

> run yesterday and that experiences the same challenges the moms on this

list deal

> with. She needs to step up and utilize her media resources for better

purposes than the

> " dog and pony " show from yesterday. I don't believe the moms were impressed

with the

> show or the other woman named " Alison " who failed to disclose who she was.

This was

AS

> PR spin, big time and you know it.

>

> I fully support , but, feel she is testing the waters for AS so they can

effectively float

> trial balloons for public relations for AS so they come out smelling rosy if

the decide to

> change course. I also believe NAA and SM needs to be very careful not to get

burned

and

> that they do not accidentally compromise their principles.

>

> AS had full reign to make that show their infomercial and this is all they

decided to

share

> with the world. Did anyone come away from watching this show having greater

confidence

> in AS or NBC or Oprah?

>

>

>

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You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I can understand the

frustration but I am of the opinion that you are being a bit *harsh*

on . Do I wish that she had said more? Yes. Do I wish that

she had gone into biomedical treatments more? Yes. Do I think that

she was courageous nonetheless? YES.

For me, I have to remember that there we all have our own different

personality types. If you take anyone on this list and put them in

's position, each of us would have handled the situation

differently. Some people are bold and would have been more

assertive and would have said more. Others are quiet and wouldn't

have contradicted the doctor. I don't think that we can throw blame

around so easily. If I put myself in her position, I sort of hope

that I would have said more but let's face it... lights on me,

doctor sitting there saying x,y,z, knowing that 90% of the medical

community is going to be pissed off about what I was going to say,

etc. etc. It's difficult.

How many of you have been in situations when the vaccine question

comes up and you either hold back completely or tame down what you

really could say and/or wanted to say. I have.

Just my $.02

> > >

> > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype

on

> > this

> > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is

the

> > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

is

> > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and

Bob

> > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > disclosed????

> > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

> > hands

> > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this

Oprah

> > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism

Speaks

> > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

daddy.

> > If

> > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

> > > was.

> > >

> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach

her.

> >

> > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines.

She

> > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

reviewed

> > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

vaccines

> > is

> > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't

done

> > your

> > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should

> > google

> > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-

Dahr,

> > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

> > Perhaps

> > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA

need

> > to

> > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such

a

> > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun

on

> > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

opinions

> > to

> > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > >

> > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > community.

> > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and

> > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah

> > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt

that

> > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued

by

> > the

> > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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on the other hand, Oprah, if she had chosen to, could have given katie more of an option to explain her position on vaccines, But Oprah dfidn't, for whatever her reasons, or the reasons of the show executives. I think if they had, katie would have run with it and said a lot more on the subject. maurineceliacdaughter <suemisiaszek@...> wrote: You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I can understand the frustration but I am of the opinion that you are being a bit *harsh*

on . Do I wish that she had said more? Yes. Do I wish that she had gone into biomedical treatments more? Yes. Do I think that she was courageous nonetheless? YES. For me, I have to remember that there we all have our own different personality types. If you take anyone on this list and put them in 's position, each of us would have handled the situation differently. Some people are bold and would have been more assertive and would have said more. Others are quiet and wouldn't have contradicted the doctor. I don't think that we can throw blame around so easily. If I put myself in her position, I sort of hope that I would have said more but let's face it... lights on me, doctor sitting there saying x,y,z, knowing that 90% of the medical community is going to be pissed off about what I was going to say, etc. etc. It's difficult. How many of you have been in situations when the vaccine question

comes up and you either hold back completely or tame down what you really could say and/or wanted to say. I have. Just my $.02 > > >> > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype on > > this > > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is the > > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or . is > > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and Bob > > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't > > disclosed????> > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their > > hands > > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this Oprah > > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism Speaks > > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

daddy. > > If > > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who > > > was. > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about > > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach her. > > > > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines. She > > > should have told the pediatrician, "The amount of peer reviewed > > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in vaccines > > is > > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't done > > your > > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should > > google > > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-Dahr, > > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just

to name a few. > > Perhaps > > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're > > > identical to the symptoms of Autism." So SafeMINDS and NAA need > > to > > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such a > > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun on > > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our opinions > > to > > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA. > > > > > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our > > community. > > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and > > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah > > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt that > > > her child was affected by vaccines) I

guess after being sued by > > the > > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma. > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > >> >>

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I think there is a fine line that we are walking here. I think

there is a time for subtlty and a time for guns-a-blazing. We

aren't only trying to validate those who already know about vaccines

causing autism (me, you, others who do biomed), we need to reach

those who don't (and don't want to) believe it. They need to be

swayed. We can't have going out there looking like a fanatic,

hysterical, emotional mess. There is so much information that needs

to be brought to light, but not by and the other guests on the

show yesterday. We need experts, scientists, DAN! doctors, to do

that work. could have said, " I beleive .... and we do xyz " -

that would have been great, but for now, it's a start. We also don't

know what " rules " Oprah and her producers put on what could amd

could not be discussed. I think Oprah also knows (or highly

suspects) vaccines are causal. She is also not going to put herself

in a position of getting sued again (if she can help it).

I hate it too - the PC crap, but the reality is that if I can't

convince friends of mine and my own family members with the arsenal

of information I have that mercury toxicity and autism are

synonomous maybe Oprah's show can - slowly.

As far as being rich, I'm sorry but heart ache affects us all

regardless of how much or how little money we have. One last thing

I don't understand is why you said " her daddy... " why can't you

say " her father " ? You make it sound like she's a spoiled brat.

We all have a huge fish to fry here (Pharma and it's governmental

protectors) so let's focus on moving forward.

> > >

> > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype

on

> > this

> > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is

the

> > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

is

> > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and

Bob

> > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > disclosed????

> > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

> > hands

> > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this

Oprah

> > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism

Speaks

> > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

daddy.

> > If

> > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

> > > was.

> > >

> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach

her.

> >

> > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines.

She

> > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

reviewed

> > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

vaccines

> > is

> > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't

done

> > your

> > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should

> > google

> > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-

Dahr,

> > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

> > Perhaps

> > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA

need

> > to

> > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such

a

> > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun

on

> > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

opinions

> > to

> > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > >

> > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > community.

> > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and

> > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah

> > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt

that

> > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued

by

> > the

> > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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THere you go again, Mike, bashing parents who are just trying to

help.....just like you did to the Dad who called in to the Randi

Show. Maybe you should have read J.B. Handley's post before

you started with your negative tirade. I cannot understand why

anyone would have such hostility towards a mother of a vaccine

injured child who is trying to help. Furthermore, your accusations

are inaccurate; did say on the show many of the things

you accuse her of not saying. You take pot shots at someone because

she may have financial resources - that is just plain wrong. And I

seriously doubt you know her well enough to know what her personal

situation at home.

All I can say is thank God you were'nt on the Oprah show.

> > >

> > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype

on

> > this

> > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is

the

> > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

is

> > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and

Bob

> > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > disclosed????

> > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

> > hands

> > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this

Oprah

> > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism

Speaks

> > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

daddy.

> > If

> > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

> > > was.

> > >

> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach

her.

> >

> > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines.

She

> > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

reviewed

> > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

vaccines

> > is

> > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't

done

> > your

> > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should

> > google

> > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-

Dahr,

> > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

> > Perhaps

> > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA

need

> > to

> > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such

a

> > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun

on

> > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

opinions

> > to

> > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > >

> > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > community.

> > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and

> > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah

> > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt

that

> > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued

by

> > the

> > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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I would refrain from criticizing anyone’s appearance

on a major TV show -- with a live audience, a massive crew, eight cameras,

hundred of bright lights, and millions of people watching you at home -- unless

you have ever done it yourself.

It aint

easy.

was

poised and articulate and forceful just enough. She wasn’t given the

opportunity to say more, and Oprah is not a free-for-all.

It is pretty harsh to attack her performance, I think. As

for her timing, she spoke out as soon as it was feasible to do so.

Cheers

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Hi Mike:

Here in NJ, in the land of expensive elite private autism schools and

the highest per capita income of any state in the country, there are

MANY autism moms similarly situated to (beau coup resources and

connections). I know a lot of these women personally, and without a

single exception of which I am aware, these moms handle their child's

autism by:

1/hiring a lot of household help;

2/setting up a private at home therapy program to keep their child

occupied nearly all the time the child is at home;

3/enrolling their child in a private autism school; and

4/GETTING ON WITH THEIR LIVES.

They aren't starting autism advocacy organizations and " messing up

their lifestyles " . Many of them don't even do battle with their

school districts--they just pay the freight at the autism school and

fund all the home therapists themselves.

could have done that. I have enormous respect for her because

she chose a much more difficult path.

Also, I think came out with just enough information. If you

say too much, people turn off and just think you're crazy.

Kudos to .

Jenna

> > >

> > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype on

> > this

> > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is

the

> > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

is

> > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and

Bob

> > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > disclosed????

> > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

> > hands

> > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this

Oprah

> > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism

Speaks

> > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

daddy.

> > If

> > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

> > > was.

> > >

> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach her.

> >

> > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines. She

> > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer reviewed

> > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

vaccines

> > is

> > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't

done

> > your

> > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should

> > google

> > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-Dahr,

> > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

> > Perhaps

> > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA

need

> > to

> > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such a

> > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun

on

> > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

opinions

> > to

> > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > >

> > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > community.

> > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and

> > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah

> > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt

that

> > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued by

> > the

> > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Would you like any salt or pepper served with your crow? i.e.

hopefully you will have read JB's post about what was said, but not

aired.

> > >

> > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype on

> > this

> > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is

the

> > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

is

> > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and

Bob

> > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > disclosed????

> > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

> > hands

> > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this

Oprah

> > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism

Speaks

> > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

daddy.

> > If

> > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

> > > was.

> > >

> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach her.

> >

> > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines. She

> > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer reviewed

> > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

vaccines

> > is

> > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't

done

> > your

> > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should

> > google

> > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-Dahr,

> > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

> > Perhaps

> > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA

need

> > to

> > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such a

> > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun

on

> > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

opinions

> > to

> > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > >

> > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > community.

> > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and

> > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah

> > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt

that

> > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued by

> > the

> > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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From my perspective what happened on the Oprah show yesterday was a

small but hugely significant event for the upliftment of society, and

for the autism community in particular. I think did everything

she could yesterday and for that, I am immensely grateful.

Gayatri

> > > >

> > > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype

on

> > > this

> > > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is

> the

> > > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

> is

> > > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and

> Bob

> > > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > > disclosed????

> > > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

> > > hands

> > > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this

> Oprah

> > > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism

> Speaks

> > > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

> daddy.

> > > If

> > > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

>

> > > > was.

> > > >

> > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> > > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach

her.

> > >

> > > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines.

She

> > > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

reviewed

> > > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

> vaccines

> > > is

> > > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't

> done

> > > your

> > > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you

should

> > > google

> > > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-

Dahr,

> > > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

> > > Perhaps

> > > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> > > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA

> need

> > > to

> > > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such

a

> > > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun

> on

> > > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

> opinions

> > > to

> > > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > > >

> > > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > > community.

> > > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism

and

> > > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though

Oprah

> > > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt

> that

> > > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued

by

> > > the

> > > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Same here. Given the constraints of the show, I think she did very

well. Of course we would love to have this issue get more media air-

time, but was able to take an opportunity with Oprah, and at

least get in some tidbits of information on what would have otherwise

been a show completely absent of any contradictions to what the

doctor was saying. Knowing now that the audience was able to hear

more specifics from , is great. Perhaps some parents in the

audience were able to make the connection, particularly after seeing

the earlier video of just how NT Christian appeared to be.

She didn't " bomb " . If ahs is disappointed, well, that's his

opinion. Hopefully he reads JB's post about what was said but not

aired, and cuts her some slack.

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the

hype

> on

> > > > this

> > > > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me

is

> > the

> > > > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

> > is

> > > > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne

and

> > Bob

> > > > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > > > disclosed????

> > > > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have

their

> > > > hands

> > > > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this

> > Oprah

> > > > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism

> > Speaks

> > > > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

> > daddy.

> > > > If

> > > > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

> >

> > > > > was.

> > > > >

> > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth

about

> > > > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach

> her.

> > > >

> > > > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines.

> She

> > > > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

> reviewed

> > > > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

> > vaccines

> > > > is

> > > > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't

> > done

> > > > your

> > > > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you

> should

> > > > google

> > > > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-

> Dahr,

> > > > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a

few.

> > > > Perhaps

> > > > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning,

they're

> > > > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and

NAA

> > need

> > > > to

> > > > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have

such

> a

> > > > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the

gun

> > on

> > > > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

> > opinions

> > > > to

> > > > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > > > community.

> > > > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism

> and

> > > > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though

> Oprah

> > > > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally

felt

> > that

> > > > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being

sued

> by

> > > > the

> > > > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I have a world of respect for what JB has done, but, I don't need to read his

posts before

stating my own opinion! Besides he didn't post until after I did karen. I don't

believe in

class envy, I was trying to illustrate that the moms on this list have much

greater

challenges in reference to a comment. After reading my original post I can see

where it

sounded harsh. Sometimes the truth is. I fully support and look forward

to her

telling her story. I guess I am confused about the AS infomercial and why much

of the

program failed to honestly state little science or facts. I hope the exchange

that was

edited out is broadcast. I will gladly back off of my comments and allow

to continue

to step up in the coming weeks. I realize this may take a lot of courage for

her. Revisiting

this issue in a couple weeks will answer some critical questions about the

direction of AS

and weather they can advocate effectively and honestly.

> > > >

> > > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the hype

> on

> > > this

> > > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me is

> the

> > > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

> is

> > > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne and

> Bob

> > > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > > disclosed????

> > > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have their

> > > hands

> > > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after this

> Oprah

> > > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to Autism

> Speaks

> > > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

> daddy.

> > > If

> > > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed who

>

> > > > was.

> > > >

> > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth about

> > > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to coach

> her.

> > >

> > > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about vaccines.

> She

> > > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

> reviewed

> > > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

> vaccines

> > > is

> > > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you haven't

> done

> > > your

> > > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you should

> > > google

> > > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane El-

> Dahr,

> > > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a few.

> > > Perhaps

> > > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, they're

> > > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and NAA

> need

> > > to

> > > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have such

> a

> > > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the gun

> on

> > > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

> opinions

> > > to

> > > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > > >

> > > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > > community.

> > > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about autism and

> > > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though Oprah

> > > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally felt

> that

> > > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being sued

> by

> > > the

> > > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big Pharma.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Unfortunately, we should consider ourselves lucky that they didn't

edit out ALL of 's vaccine commentary. They could have easily

done that. Heck, Oprah has been avoiding autism for years she could

have declined to do this show entirely. This Oprah show wasn't

designed to be a debate on whether vaccines cause autism. Hopefully

down the road she will discuss this but I doubt it. We will have to

watch CourtTV or maybe C-SPAN for that come June 11th.

>

> I would refrain from criticizing anyone's appearance on a major TV

show

> -- with a live audience, a massive crew, eight cameras, hundred of

> bright lights, and millions of people watching you at home --

unless you

> have ever done it yourself.

>

> It aint easy.

>

> was poised and articulate and forceful just enough. She

wasn't

> given the opportunity to say more, and Oprah is not a free-for-all.

>

> It is pretty harsh to attack her performance, I think. As for her

> timing, she spoke out as soon as it was feasible to do so.

>

> Cheers

>

> DK

>

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My point was that you passed judgement before knowing the entire

story....and if I remember correctly you also appeared on a news

show to discuss autism and I doubt you would like your efforts to be

criticized on a public forum.

As far as moms on this list having greater challenges than Ms.

, that may or may not be true. You should never assume that

someone's life is easier just because they are not struggling

financially. We are really all the same, wealthy or not, as we have

all been devastated by autism and the loss that goes with it. I'd

gladly give up everything I have and live in a cardboard box if it

meant my son could completely recover and have a happy, healthy

life....and I am certain many others in our community feel the same

way.

And if does have all the domestic help you suggested, great,

that will give her more time to advocate for our vaccine injured

kids.

-- In EOHarm , " ahs10402 " <allprint@...> wrote:

>

> I have a world of respect for what JB has done, but, I don't need

to read his posts before

> stating my own opinion! Besides he didn't post until after I did

karen. I don't believe in

> class envy, I was trying to illustrate that the moms on this list

have much greater

> challenges in reference to a comment. After reading my original

post I can see where it

> sounded harsh. Sometimes the truth is. I fully support

and look forward to her

> telling her story. I guess I am confused about the AS infomercial

and why much of the

> program failed to honestly state little science or facts. I hope

the exchange that was

> edited out is broadcast. I will gladly back off of my comments

and allow to continue

> to step up in the coming weeks. I realize this may take a lot of

courage for her. Revisiting

> this issue in a couple weeks will answer some critical questions

about the direction of AS

> and weather they can advocate effectively and honestly.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the

hype

> > on

> > > > this

> > > > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me

is

> > the

> > > > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

> > is

> > > > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne

and

> > Bob

> > > > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > > > disclosed????

> > > > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have

their

> > > > hands

> > > > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after

this

> > Oprah

> > > > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to

Autism

> > Speaks

> > > > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

> > daddy.

> > > > If

> > > > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed

who

> >

> > > > > was.

> > > > >

> > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth

about

> > > > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to

coach

> > her.

> > > >

> > > > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about

vaccines.

> > She

> > > > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

> > reviewed

> > > > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

> > vaccines

> > > > is

> > > > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you

haven't

> > done

> > > > your

> > > > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you

should

> > > > google

> > > > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane

El-

> > Dahr,

> > > > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a

few.

> > > > Perhaps

> > > > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning,

they're

> > > > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and

NAA

> > need

> > > > to

> > > > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have

such

> > a

> > > > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the

gun

> > on

> > > > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

> > opinions

> > > > to

> > > > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > > > community.

> > > > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about

autism and

> > > > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though

Oprah

> > > > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally

felt

> > that

> > > > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being

sued

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big

Pharma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Wow, that made me throw up a little. This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to

do with personally her, nor the Oprah show – which I did not

watch - but good god people, she is just a person, like you and me.

She doesn't poop any differently than you do, so stop giving her some

mythical powers. She is not better than you, not any one of us.

She is just herself, and all that entails, good and bad.

I do agree money lessens her daily burdens, which is a problem I

would LOVE to have (for instance, i am sitting in a house with 5 ASD

kids right now and only took a few minutes away from cleaning,

cooking, chasing, sweeping, wiping, etc kids to read some emails

because there isn't a maid to do it all - maybe my next life!! ;))

but that comment about " us ordinary people " was way off in my

opinion. She isn't any more extraordinary than any one of us. She

just has more resources and more help. Think of how much you could

get done with her resources behind you – like if you could sleep 8

hours, didn't have to worry about money etc.

Please don't consider yourself, or any of the rest of us, " less "

because we were born in the " wrong " family.

Holly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the

> hype

> > > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

>

> > > is

> > > > > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne

> and

> > > Bob

> > > > > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > > > > disclosed????

> > > > > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have

> their

> > > > > hands

> > > > > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after

> this

> > > Oprah

> > > > > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to

> Autism

> > > Speaks

> > > > > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

> > > daddy.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed

> who

> > >

> > > > > > was.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth

> about

> > > > > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to

> coach

> > > her.

> > > > >

> > > > > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about

> vaccines.

> > > She

> > > > > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

> > > reviewed

> > > > > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

> > > vaccines

> > > > > is

> > > > > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you

> haven't

> > > done

> > > > > your

> > > > > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you

> should

> > > > > google

> > > > > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane

> El-

> > > Dahr,

> > > > > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a

> few.

> > > > > Perhaps

> > > > > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning,

> they're

> > > > > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and

> NAA

> > > need

> > > > > to

> > > > > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have

> such

> > > a

> > > > > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the

> gun

> > > on

> > > > > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

> > > opinions

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > > > > community.

> > > > > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about

> autism and

> > > > > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though

> Oprah

> > > > > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally

> felt

> > > that

> > > > > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being

> sued

> > > by

> > > > > the

> > > > > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big

> Pharma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Don't pick lemons.

> See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.

>

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Not passing judgment, just stating some facts. Yes, I am camera shy

and not very good at it. I have never been coached and have very little

experience with TV.

Go ahead a criticize my efforts of that resulted in our governor signing autism

insurance

legislation. I really don't care, I will be proactive, results driven and an

opinionated asshole

once in awhile if I am sleep deprived, battling IEP's, changing legislation and

advocating

with all the effort I am capable of. Take all the pop shots at me you want

. I'll let my

actions and record stand up against your personal attacks anytime.

I honestly wish you and your family well, we just have many differences. I

accept that.

I think the country is aware of autism and more awareness is good, but we need

more

action and more candor in order to solve these complex problems. I did forget

was

on this list and apologize. Money is a huge factor for our children's ability to

recover and

the parents physical and mental well being. I honestly believe the shows outcome

and

content was very controlled and AS could have negotiated a much different

outcome.

AS is trying to have it both ways as I see it. With the power and influence

they have, I am

holding them, not , to a higher standard. was representing AS. I

would ask

everyone on this list to encourage open and passionate debate. is in a

tough

position, but we must be separate our criticism of AS from worrying about

offending her if

someone wants to criticize her parents or anyone at AS. These type of comments

should

not be censored. This holds true for any of us or the organizations we support.

We have

much more at stake. Just like the CAA, many of us disagree and it is very

personal for all

of us. I am deeply concerned when I see Hillary(and R-Sen Allard) introducing a

autism bill

with AS behind her as she enters into the presidential campaign season. It

doesn't take

someone who is politically savvy to understand this stinks and is political

pandering. We

are in a long battle for our children and will suffer further damage if we do

not stand up

and address this for what it is . Your choice: Fight for these kids and

families or play the

appeasement game and watch millions more suffer over the next 10 years. For the

rest of

the month every time you log onto a group like this make a commitment to write a

letter

to a legislator and /or newspaper. I know most people on this list care not

only about

their children but all these kids, but many of you still have never called and

met with your

legislators. Please make this a priority and follow through on it. It is one

of the most

effective ways we can influence genuine change. While these Oprah type shows

provide

some positive awareness, they distort they publics view of what the underlying

issues are

and systematically influence a false public perception while making us look like

a fringe

group of emotional parents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought the show was going to be better given all the

> hype

> > > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > group. Everyone has different opinions. What bothers me

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > Oprah show didn't disclose who was. Or .

>

> > > is

> > > > > > for goodness sakes, the daughter of Suzanne

> and

> > > Bob

> > > > > > of Autism Speaks. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't

> > > > > disclosed????

> > > > > > It is also clear to me that SafeMINDS and NAA will have

> their

> > > > > hands

> > > > > > full with . It is quite obvious to me that after

> this

> > > Oprah

> > > > > > show aired, still has very very strong ties to

> Autism

> > > Speaks

> > > > > > and she has to watch her every move because of mommy and

> > > daddy.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > this wasn't the case the Oprah show would have revealed

> who

> > >

> > > > > > was.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful opened her mouth

> about

> > > > > > vaccines on the show, but NAA and SAFEMinds need to

> coach

> > > her.

> > > > >

> > > > > > got very tongue tied when she spoke about

> vaccines.

> > > She

> > > > > > should have told the pediatrician, " The amount of peer

> > > reviewed

> > > > > > science linking autism to the preservative thimerosal in

> > > vaccines

> > > > > is

> > > > > > overwhelming and it is quite evident to me that you

> haven't

> > > done

> > > > > your

> > > > > > homework. I feel sorry for your children. Perhaps you

> should

> > > > > google

> > > > > > the names, Deth, Jill , Mady Hornig, Jane

> El-

> > > Dahr,

> > > > > > Burbacher, Boyd Haley, the Giers, just to name a

> few.

> > > > > Perhaps

> > > > > > you should look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning,

> they're

> > > > > > identical to the symptoms of Autism. " So SafeMINDS and

> NAA

> > > need

> > > > > to

> > > > > > do a lot and I mean a lot of coaching now that they have

> such

> > > a

> > > > > > public figure on their board. They might have jumped the

> gun

> > > on

> > > > > > this. Hopefully not, let's think positive and voice our

> > > opinions

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the Oprah show and SAFEMINDs and NAA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh well, it is all in all still a very big step for our

> > > > > community.

> > > > > > Oprah actually allowed a mom to say something about

> autism and

> > > > > > vaccines in the same sentence on her show. (Even though

> Oprah

> > > > > > totally covered her butt by saying that personally

> felt

> > > that

> > > > > > her child was affected by vaccines) I guess after being

> sued

> > > by

> > > > > the

> > > > > > beef industry, she doesn't want to be sued by big

> Pharma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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