Re: More plant madness...

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> http://www.heirloomroses.com/index.htm

> So far I like what I see - even if some roses I want are sold out. I

> think I waite too long to buy damasks! stinkers.

> Madly searching,

> iel

>

Boy are you in trouble now. No wait -- that would be me -- when my

husband finds out that I've found this source for more roses.... I'll

just point in your direction and tell him it's all your fault... ; P

Andrine

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http://www.heirloomroses.com/index.htm

So far I like what I see - even if some roses I want are sold out. I

think I waite too long to buy damasks! stinkers.

Madly searching,

iel

Hi iel

You can place an order ahead of time..... rose growers here in the UK send out

their roses in early Autumn October and early spring March...... When you get

them don't forget to plant them right and remember their scions need to be 1 "

below soil....... and prune hard back to 6 " once planted. That way you avoid

leggy growth.......Check out the Bourbans, Albas, Gallicas, Mosses too

.......not long seasons but soo georgeous.

HTH

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iel <nmuss77@...> wrote: I just found this WICKED AWESOME plant

scout/locator at:

http://davesgarden.com/ps/

however I think it is only for US based nurseries. Try locating with

the latin designations. It works better than common names.

I've been having a blast getting INSTANT results for items on my lists-

instead of taking hours to google or everything! What great

fun...hehehehe.

iel

Don't you have Plant finders in the States? I can't believe that?! They are so

great to find the more obscure items...... I once located some rare type of very

white barked Silver Birch's (betula utilis jacquemontii) through the plants

finder.....invaluable........ usually updated every year...

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>I just found this WICKED AWESOME plant scout/locator at:

>http://davesgarden.com/ps/

>however I think it is only for US based nurseries. Try locating with

>the latin designations. It works better than common names.

>I've been having a blast getting INSTANT results for items on my lists-

>instead of taking hours to google or everything! What great

>fun...hehehehe.

>I was wondering if anyone has had experience with the following rose

>nursery?

>http://www.heirloomroses.com/index.htm

>So far I like what I see - even if some roses I want are sold out. I

>think I waite too long to buy damasks! stinkers.

>Madly searching,

>iel

They are very reputable but expensive (very happy with them) but if they

have what you want, you would have to pay up )

As you know all their plants are own root stock. So plant will come with

only a stick so to speak. DOnt be alarmed. It Will take a year to establish.

Once they estb, there is no stopping them!

Some others I have purchasesd from others. www.chambleeroses.com. Very

reasonably price and plants are quite big They may have the damask you are

looking for I think. Mix of own root and grafted. Purchased from them 1st

time this year. very very happy. I remember seeing it last week. At the

moment I cant access their shop.

Ashdownroses is good too but I dont think they have damask. Purchased from

them several times. Very very happy too.

You may also want to try

http://www.vintagegardens.com/roses.aspx?type=search & product_name=damask & product\

_fullclassname= & product_stdcolor= & product_colorquirk= & product_fragrance= & product\

_rebloom= & product_introducer= & product_date=

Never purchased from them but I nearly did. They did not have what i was

looking for. The owner seems very nice. I belive they have them. Just type

in damask and 3 plants will come up. I dont think it's too late. You can

try. good luck

Poh Yee

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> > http://www.heirloomroses.com/index.htm

> > So far I like what I see - even if some roses I want are sold

out. I

> > think I waite too long to buy damasks! stinkers.

> > Madly searching,

> > iel

> >

> Boy are you in trouble now. No wait -- that would be me -- when my

> husband finds out that I've found this source for more roses....

I'll

> just point in your direction and tell him it's all your fault... ;

P

>

> Andrine

>

Yes, excellent!!

Go ahead, it won't be the first time the finger was pointed at me!

And husbands...no sweat, they're easy to handle. Haven't met one yet

that I couldn't help educate. Besides, I have a knack for planting

mischevious seeds and helping them bloom!

And thank you to Poh Yee...in stock damasks at the best prices I've

seen for a band yet! Gosh this group ROCKS!

iel

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>Andrine wrote:

>Boy are you in trouble now. No wait -- that would be me -- when my

> > husband finds out that I've found this source for more roses....

>I'll

> > just point in your direction and tell him it's all your fault... ;

>P

> >

>

>Yes, excellent!!

>Go ahead, it won't be the first time the finger was pointed at me!

>And husbands...no sweat, they're easy to handle. Haven't met one yet

>that I couldn't help educate. Besides, I have a knack for planting

>mischevious seeds and helping them bloom!

>And thank you to Poh Yee...in stock damasks at the best prices I've

>seen for a band yet! Gosh this group ROCKS!

>iel

>

Hope you get them. I once did fancy damask but think they are very thorny.

I am into thornless and roses for part-shade now as I do not have the luxury

of lots of sun. Zephrine Drouhin is an excellent thornless climber suitable

for part-shade and very fragrant (scale of 9). It's semi-double and cerise

pink. there is also a sport of it call Harrop for those who are

interested. When estb, the whole plant can be covered with blooms. We had

one back in the UK grown against a pergola and it was a sight, that is until

I killed it by moving it to a diff site. Good news is, they are repeat

bloomers too but prone to mildew which can be controlle by watering early

rather than late, so that the moisture get a chance to evap. Also use a

solution of water down milk to control powdery mildew for your roses.

Just out of curiosity. Was it chamblee roses? Their prices are excellent and

the plants I got are quite huge. Hope yours would be too If you get

grafted ones, make sure you mulch b4 winter.

Oh, do get their Marie Daly from Chamblee (light pink, small flowered) . It

can be pot grown. Very fragrant and quite thornless. It is a sport of Marie

Pavie which is white

One other thing I do find with roses, even though if a variety is described

as very fragrant, if there is the weather is too cold, the fragrance is not

as intense.

Poh Yee

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>Yes, excellent!!

>Go ahead, it won't be the first time the finger was pointed at me!

>And husbands...no sweat, they're easy to handle. Haven't met one yet

>that I couldn't help educate. Besides, I have a knack for planting

>mischevious seeds and helping them bloom!

>And thank you to Poh Yee...in stock damasks at the best prices I've

>seen for a band yet! Gosh this group ROCKS!

>iel

>

Oh, I forgot, or was it vintage gardens.

Poh Yee

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>

> >snip

> >Yes, excellent!!

> >Go ahead, it won't be the first time the finger was pointed at me!

> >And husbands...no sweat, they're easy to handle. Haven't met one

yet

> >that I couldn't help educate. Besides, I have a knack for planting

> >mischevious seeds and helping them bloom!

> >And thank you to Poh Yee...in stock damasks at the best prices I've

> >seen for a band yet! Gosh this group ROCKS!

> >iel

> >

> Oh, I forgot, or was it vintage gardens.

> Poh Yee

>

Hi Poh Yee!

Vintage gardens had them for 12.95 a band, but when I went to place

an on-line order their security certificate was rejected by my

browser. That did not sit well with me. I finally ended up ordering

from HeirloomRoses.com. I ended up only buying 2: LA VILLE DE

BRUXELLES and MME ISAAC PEREIRE. 1 Damask and 1 Bourbon. Can't wait

until they show up!

iel

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MME ISAAC PEREIRE 1 Bourbon. Can' wait

iel

Mme Isaac Pereire has THE most heady perfume and is def one of my favourites and

a must for all serious perfume rose lovers. I have her in my garden and will

post up ..... My roses are beginning to blossom now and to be honest a little

early........ lovely to see all the same...

Fantin Latour, Alchemist, Mme Alfred re, 2 musk rose bushes which are a

must in any old garden, I have another huge one now and I have forgotten

her name.....still to come, Madame Hardy, Alba cuisse de nymph, Mmd Isaac

Pereire, Belle de Lyon, Gallicas rosa mundi and apothecaries rose. Violette,

some mosses, Pavlova, Sir Fredrick Ashton, Perpetually Yours,

Fairy,(procumbent) Ballerina, Superstar and Iceburg (already here whern we

moved) I wish I hadn't moved them around .... I am going to have to identify

many as there are lots I am not naming......

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> Yes, excellent!!

> Go ahead, it won't be the first time the finger was pointed at me!

> And husbands...no sweat, they're easy to handle. Haven't met one

yet

> that I couldn't help educate. Besides, I have a knack for planting

> mischevious seeds and helping them bloom!

> And thank you to Poh Yee...in stock damasks at the best prices I've

> seen for a band yet! Gosh this group ROCKS!

> iel

Well you asked for it! I'll be pointing that finger soon.... And to

make up for the grief you're going to get for stirring me up to start

buying more roses, I'll add a little advice to Poh Yee's (okay -- so

it's going to be a bit long):

* Try to make sure you purchase only own-root roses unless you just

have to have a certain rose and you can only find it as a graft.

Why? Well, I have many non-descript, non-scented, five-petaled,

useless roses around my yard. Wherefore are thou, o Heirloom,

Sterling Silver, Angel Face and all? It's really tragic to come out

of winter and eagerly await the appearance of your lovelies, only to

have them start throwing out these stupid non-scented horrors from

the root stock, with no trace of your beautiful fragrant friends from

last year.

* While it's really exciting to grow roses from antiquity, living in

a climate that isn't what they're used to can have you constantly

pampering and coddling them to keep up with mildew, black spot,

aphids and other nasties. And many of them only bloom once a year.

There's quite a number of roses that are now being bred for

exceptional fragrance, along with disease resistance, hardiness, and

repeat bloom. In particular, you might want to look at Buck Hardy

roses, and Clements' Heirloom roses. Austin also makes a

number of roses that are exceptionally fragrant. However, you need

to look into the disease resistance and hardiness of Austins.

My Gertrude Jekyll is prone to black spot. Actually, I think all of

my roses are prone to it. Hmm... I might look into overhauling my

stock and replacing with hardier ones.....

Something to keep in mind -- when developing new stronger roses that

are exceptionally fragrant, breeders have often used the old roses

for their scent and shape. So, even though you may have a newer

cultivar, it could well have gallica officinalis in it, or Rose

de Rescht, or damascena.

Oops -- look at the time! I have a blend to try to finish working

out before tomorrow.... To be continued....

Andrine

BTW, I'm currently enfleuraging my Gertrude Jekyll rose that's moved

with me to every house I've lived in since 1995. And boy, is it

lovely!

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Andrine

into the disease resistance and hardiness of Austins.

My Gertrude Jekyll is prone to black spot. Actually, I think all of

my roses are prone to it. Hmm... I might look into overhauling my

stock and replacing with hardier ones.....

Janita

>>>>oh don't do that ....... it is the spores that create it and there are

ways of coping with that..... couldn't bear the thought ....poor things.!

Andrine

Something to keep in mind -- when developing new stronger roses that

are exceptionally fragrant, breeders have often used the old roses

for their scent and shape. So, even though you may have a newer

cultivar, it could well have gallica officinalis in it, or Rose

de Rescht, or damascena.

Janita

>>>>>>This sometimes with pollination done by hand and then hips placed in

trays....long and lengthy when creating a new hybrid

Soz but not a big fan of Austins roses ..... I have never been

satisfied with their perfume perse..... I am a Beales fan....... His Roses

are the best of the best as far as I'm concerned here in the UK...... you can

find nothing finer.

Many roses are grown on rugosa stock and there is a tendencey occasionally to

revert back to its root...... However altho cuttings may not always take and it

takes longer , if it takes you have a pure bred stock. Also, if you get

cuttings from a good friends garden even more the sweeter. My Fantin Latour is

grown in this way (cut from my friend Jane Arnotts Barn in the Golden Valley

many years ago) and is cut back hard each year and she bushes and flowers freely

for me very nicely with no problems a little greenfly which I get rid of by

washing up liquid....or soapy water...they.don't like that .....

If you want cuttings.....always a good idea to try at different times. In the

climate zone here...... I have tried Summer, Autumn and early Feb with Feb

cuttings I have more success. .... but it may be different over there.

iel was it talking of Zepherine Drouhan...... yes lovely flower but

indeed prone to mildew and blackspot.... and her sister Kathleen Harrop off and

both thornless which is lovely.

That is why I have now turned to Peonies.... thornless, gentle, sweetly

fragranced and relatively easy as long as you don't move them around.... I have

only a couple at present but will slowly build up my collection when I can get

enough time to get out into the garden ...... so much to do & :-)janita

Andrine

BTW, I'm currently enfleuraging my Gertrude Jekyll rose that's moved

with me to every house I've lived in since 1995. And boy, is it

lovely!

Janita

good luck with that .... I was reading a post from Butch from somewhere and he

was talking about how only a few roses truly give out enough essential oil to

create perfume...... altho many lovely they don't come up to the mark. Yes, I

am the same about moving my roses..... brought many with me here when I moved

although it was rather good to leave behind a garden that I created.... and

everytime I go back I enjoy the memories of planting it and seeing it

flower..... leaving a legacy....

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