Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 In a message dated 6/14/02 10:09:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, leannah@... writes: > Hi what I was asking was how do I change a recipe that uses > beeswax, to one that uses e-wax and/or steric acid instead? Is there a > formula for making the switch? > > Leanna in Alberta. > Hi Leanna, I saw your earlier post about figuring grams and percentages. Have you checked out the Tips on Making Your Own Products and the Formulary on my website? Try looking at those and see if it makes sense. The formula for Sweet Orange Cleaner gives an example that may be helpful. Let me know if you need more and I will write it up for you. There is no way to really make a conversion or substitution for beeswax and emulsifying wax. It is sort of like comparing apples and oranges. Beeswax and borax will give you a water in oil emulsion (greasy feel) and emulsifying wax will give you an oil in water emulsion (non-greasy feel). An average amount of emulsifying wax for a lotion and cream would be 3-8%. Can you give us your formula (by weight) and I will help you figure it out. Also, stearic acid only will not work as an emulsifier. Let me know and I will try to help. Angie The Herbarie...Visit us at: http://www.theherbarie.com for Body Care Products and Bulk Ingredients...Botanical Extracts and Proteins, Ultra-Mild Surfactant Blends, Conditioning Emulsifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 I and others on the list have found that beeswax doesn't really work as well as ewax. The beeswax tends to let things separate most of the time. Chris substitution for beeswax > Reply- > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Hi listbuds, is there a way to figure out how to substitute ewax...for beeswax in > recipes? Thanks for all of your help. > > Leanna in Alberta. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Hi what I was asking was how do I change a recipe that uses beeswax, to one that uses e-wax and/or steric acid instead? Is there a formula for making the switch? Leanna in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Oh sorry I misunderstood. First ewax is an emulsifier. I would experiment a little and find how little you need to keep the oils and water together. I use 2 tablespoons for 6 ounces of oil and 6 ounces of liquid. I use 2 tablespoons of stearic acid (a thickener) for the same quantity to make a thick cream. If you want a lotion you can add more liquid or less stearic acid. I hope this gives you a place to start. I just experiment with it until I get the consistency that I need, real scientific. :^} Chris Re: Re: Beeswax for ewax > Hi what I was asking was how do I change a recipe that uses > beeswax, to one that uses e-wax and/or steric acid instead? Is there a > formula for making the switch? > > Leanna in Alberta. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Thanks Chris! I was thinking back to the very first lotion I made that used lethicin and beeswax. The lotion felt wonderfull on my skin, but I reacted to the lecithin(it gave my skin a musty smell). So, I was just wondering about converting the recipe to ewax and steric acid. I am learning how to convert recipes to percentages... As I learn I am sure I will be able to do this kind of thing by " feel " , like you pros do! Have a great day. Leanna in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Hi Angie, thanks for your help. I was playing with percentages... and actually was using one of your recipes! You list all of your ingredients by grams and I was trying to figure out what it would be in ounces, just to practice this math stuff! Anyway, my converting didn't match yours and I was trying to figure out why. I checked out your recipe section(they look so good, I need to order some stuff from you!). I do understand the process, just want to be able to do this math stuff with confidence. One of the recipes that I wanted to change over to ewax and steric acid has a large proportion of glycerin in it, way beyond the recommended amounts. That's one of the reasons for my wanting to learn this this. Thanks again for your suggestions. And everyone else on this list. I really am " stretching " the brain! Leanna in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2002 Report Share Posted June 15, 2002 In a message dated 6/14/02 8:43:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, leannah@... writes: > Hi Angie, thanks for your help. I was playing with percentages... and > actually was using one of your recipes! You list all of your > ingredients by grams and I was trying to figure out what it would be in > ounces, just to practice this math stuff! Anyway, my converting didn't > match yours and I was trying to figure out why. I checked out your > recipe section(they look so good, I need to order some stuff from > you!). I do understand the process, just want to be able to do this > math stuff with confidence. One of the recipes that I wanted to change > over to ewax and steric acid has a large proportion of glycerin in it, > way beyond the recommended amounts. That's one of the reasons for my > wanting to learn this this. Thanks again for your suggestions. And > everyone else on this list. I really am " stretching " the brain! > > Leanna in Alberta. > > Hi Leanna, I will be happy to do the example for you, but I need to know which formula you want. Angie The Herbarie...Visit us at: http://www.theherbarie.com for Body Care Products and Bulk Ingredients...Botanical Extracts and Proteins, Ultra-Mild Surfactant Blends, Conditioning Emulsifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2002 Report Share Posted June 15, 2002 I am no pro by any stretch of the imagination. I have only been making soap for a little over a year. But one thing I am not afraid to do it experiment. This is no different. Just make up your recipe and if it is to thin add a little more stearic acid and warm it again and wait and see. If it is to thick add a little liquid and warm and wait. Soon you will know just how much to add to total volume to get the consistency you want. I am very math challenged and very lazy so I just tend to fly by the seat of my pants. You are much more likely to have trouble because you didn't add the right or enough of a preservative. Chris Re: Re: Beeswax for ewax > Thanks Chris! I was thinking back to the very first lotion I made that > used lethicin and beeswax. The lotion felt wonderfull on my skin, but I > reacted to the lecithin(it gave my skin a musty smell). So, I was just > wondering about converting the recipe to ewax and steric acid. I am > learning how to convert recipes to percentages... As I learn I am sure > I will be able to do this kind of thing by " feel " , like you pros do! > Have a great day. > > Leanna in Alberta. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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