Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Mcsiff@... wrote: > Now, I note that some authors have coined a word for what quite a few > of us have been discussing for several years now. They call it > " homeodynamics " , but also imply that their ideas are unique. This is > incorrect, since the pioneers of the field of applied chaos theory and > nonlinear dynamic theory, including one of its most prominent Nobel > laureate leaders, Ilya Prigogine (whom they do not even mention in > their summary), wrote about dynamic equilibrium processes long before > these new authors wrote their article a few weeks ago. All that they > did was create a useful name for the concept, namely " homeodynamics " . > They can hardly claim originality for much more than that. <http://216.25.242.189/tsw/iPublish/articles/Aon/Aon.htm> Overall, I'd say they didn't do a terrible job, although I am bothered by a few points. One is that they refer to 'emergence', a concept of complex systems theory that is exceedingly slippery and disliked by many serious researchers in NLD. Emergence is the tendency for a collection of many interconnected agents to behave in an apparently organized fashion at a global scale (e.g., an economy behaving in a certain way as a result of the behaviors of many people in the economy). The problem is that there is no strict definition for emergence, and it's even been suggested that a behavior is emergent when it is surprising. The natural comeback to this idea is, " OK, but what if my imagination is much better than yours, so I'm not easily surprised? " The bottom line is that this concept doesn't actually buy us anything: it recognizes the fact that coherent behaviors occur in complex systems, but doesn't provide any clues whatsoever about when such behaviors are likely to occur or, just as importantly, when they won't. Another thing that bothers me is their geometric interpretation of homeodynamics. They say that, when one state of a system becomes unstable, the system flies off toward a different attractor. This idea (multiple attraction wells embedded in a given space) is not necessarily wrong, but is not necessarily right, either. This concept requires that the dynamics move to a different 'place' in the state space, but this is not necessarily the case (in fact, for many systems it is exceedingly unlikely). The other possibility, which I believe is probably more representative of reality, is that the attractor changes 'under' the dynamics, i.e., that the system's trajectory changes without leaving the subspace that it inhabited in the first place. There really is a fundamental difference between these two concepts, and their selection of this particular concept as describing homeodynamics is highly questionable. This and other papers on the subject could open the eyes of some researchers to different ways of interpreting the behaviors of living organisms. I just hope people don't get bogged down in poor jargon and limited concepts. - Wayne Hill Westborough, MA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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