Valsalva & Synaptogenic Mechanotransduction?

[Guest guest]

Subject: Valsalva, Intra-abdominal Pressure

Zenker wrote:

*** You absolutely right it is a maneuver, however the reason I don't

like to use the term Valsalva with my neuromuscular training practice

is that in medical and PI insurance world it is associated with

pathological entities.

Casler writes:

Why would you not use a " correct " and accurate term for this? What term do

you use?

Zenker wrote:

One of the other reasons that I don't use Valsalva as a training term

is that for most people who completely close their glottis, they tend

to pull their tongue back and their face gets red. The thing that

usually happens is that there is too much wasted intentional energy,

it gets diverted upward which will dissipate the amount downward motor

intention.

Casler writes:

Not using the " term " will not change the function. A " red face " is a normal

result. So what is the problem with a momentary red face?

What do you mean " too much wasted intentional energy, it gets diverted

upward which will dissipate the amount downward motor intention " ? Can you

explain what process causes this " upward " diversion and " downward "

dissipation?

Zenker writes:

This CAN be problematic for people at risk. Considering that otherwise

healthy athletes have dropped dead from unknown cardiovascular

anomalies, why take that risk.

Casler writes:

Are you saying (or strongly insinuating) that " performing " the valsalva

maneuver puts people at " risk " of death?

Zenker wrote:

This should by no means be interpreted

as saying this is something that anyone should lose sleep over, its

rare. Its that performing any ballistic athletic maneuver with a red

face is not going to be as efficient.

Casler writes:

The " red face " has nothing to do with it and is a result of the " reflexive

bodily function " . If you think that serious dynamic lifts and sports moves

are " not going to be as efficient " without this process I would contend that

you are incorrect.

Zenker wrote:

I have no experience training power lifters nor have I experienced

lifting the kind lifts that some on the list have. So again, let me

make this perfectly clear that a Valsalva type/like maneuver is

critical, on that point I couldn't agree more. Not using this

important reflex inducement would hinder the activation or

accumulation of critical elastic energy necessary for the initiation

of most any ballistic action.

Casler writes:

How do you like your waffles? (:V)

Zenker wrote:

Over the past 3 years in developing CTK the synchronization and use of

respiratory timing and patterns has become critical to optimal

adaptive responses and helping to direct highly coordinated and

controlled tension patterns. In coaching individuals, I liken using

the breath patterns to a conductor directing a symphony, using a

highly mastered and variable tempo and intention/intensity.

Casler writes:

Leopold Stokowski, Arthur Fielder and Leonard Bernstein were all, very " big "

on Valsalva. The red face gave a nice contrast to their white hair.

Zenker wrote:

Intention helps to stimulate the fusimotor system, mechanoreceptors, to

drive

post-activation potentiation (post-tetanic) and synaptogenesis (neural

plasticity). This tension also supposedly drives the mechanotransduction and

transcription process for stimulating protein metabolism (isoforms).

Casler writes:

, you're doing that " word " thing again.

Mel wrote:

If lifters did not hold their breath during heavy lifts, their lifting

careers would be marked by never-ending lists of spinal problems and

modest totals.

Zenker wrote:

I think even intuitively that most anyone who would lift a heavy

weight in a ballistic fashion would at least partly hold their breath.

Casler writes:

It is not " intuition " , but it is a reflex.

Regards,

A. Casler

BIO-FORCE, Inc.

Los Angeles, CA