Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Nate Mosher wrote: I think that most bodybuilding competitions are not very athletic at all either. What skill is required to pose your muscles . . . but it's still not athletic. . . . It's a case of " but what else can you do with those muscles besides lift a weight and flex it? " ***Preparing for a bodybuilding show requires a great deal of training and discipline in the gym. We think this type of training is athletic. It is a popular misconception that bodybuilders are not themselves athletes, i.e. they lack strength, they are uncoordinated, they lack flexibility, and they cannot perform dynamic compound movements required by most other sports. Using muscles to lift weight is a matter of choice and adaptation. If you were to move a bodybuilder into another sport, very likely he/she would adapt very quickly. In fact, many bodybuilders become so after participating in other sports, and often they bodybuild vs. powerlift (although many do both) or some other strength activity after injury makes the latter impossible. Contrary to rumor, most bodybuilders are immensely powerful. What can be said is that their large muscles are, in many cases, proportionately less functional than an olympic or powerlifter because the latter two endeavors involve learning a skill in addition to having a great deal of strength. Just last week we saw one of the top bodybuilders leg pressing with 1,800 pounds for multiple sets and reps. This is not exactly a weenie workout! As far as posing, if you've ever tried it, you know it's not nearly as easy as good posers make it look. It's tough physically, i.e. contracting the muscles requires endurance, but that's only part of it. To learn to pose so your body looks good to an audience and a judge, takes hours of practice and might better be compared to formal dance or figure skating, which are certainly athletic endeavors, the difference being static vs. dynamic. The top posing teacher in the U.S., Russ Testo, an ex-professional dancer. Some people are much more talented when it comes to learning this type of movement than others. Also, like dancers, the person posing does not have a mirror on stage, and therefore must internalize his/her movements based on training. It is not at all unusual to see a top bodybuilder do the splits on stage. Last Saturday at the Max Muscle Classic, Tito , did a standing back flip on stage as part of a guest posting routine. The height of this flip left the entire audience aghast. Tito is a big guy (although not particularly tall). We would guess his entire body was a minimum of three feet off the ground as he flipped and he landed doing a split. From his abilities, we would guess Tito probably started life as a gymnast. One person in the audience remarked that he had been a top cheerleader in college. Other things notable about good posers are their ability to move to the rhythm of the music with very graceful transitions from one pose to another. You will also see some do various dance movements as well as being able to isolate and dynamically move various muscles while others remain static. Not everyone can do this so this obviously takes muscle control and training. <And I believe that's why bodybuilding will never, in it's current state, be an Olympic event. And it shouldn't be.> *** We agree. Bodybuilding in the Olympics is Ben Weider's pipe dream. In our opinion bodybuilding is poorly suited for the Olympic format, the primary reason being because it is much too subjective. What we'd like to see added is powerlifting. It is a no-brainer to pick the winner. He/she who lifts the most weight within the rules, takes home the Gold. Jim and Rosemary Vernon Venice, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Nate Mosher wrote: I met Levrone in person at a bodybuilding show back in college. He outweighed me by about 40 pounds at the time, even though I'm about 8 or 9 inches taller than he is. He couldn't even walk without his legs rubbing together! ** Oh, yeah, there are some of these people who are just so over-hypertrophied that they can hardly move. Hardcore fans call this " freaky, " a condition that most definitely does not appeal to the general public. On the other hand, if you go to local shows, you will see some really beautiful looking bodies and the contestants can actually walk like normal humans. For most people who train with appearance being one of the reasons (by definition, " bodybuilding " ), this kind of physique tends to be something to strive for. Even though Muscle Media has taken some hits from its former readers who were disappointed in the shift (myself included), I will admit that the men they feature have gorgeous physiques. The women are just so-so because MM2K seems more interested in somewhat of a soft look. As I said before, I liked the way McLish looked when she won the Ms. O. Another gal that is just terrific is Mia Finnegan, who was an early fitness competitor and I believe the first winner of the Miss Fitness Olympia. Although the physiques described in Paragraph 2 above are more of the desired ideal, they are not all that easy to attain for the average person. It takes years of hard work with some attention to one's diet. As far as posing, it is excellent exercise in and of itself. I have learned some of it and can tell you that it takes a lot of effort. A double biceps pose, for example, requires that almost every muscle in your body is flexed, that you stand up straight with your body in proper alignment and look like the whole thing was effortless. This is one of the easier poses. I think the lat spread is the hardest, yet a lot of the pro BBers learn how to flex one lat at a time. Another thing about posing is that is will really show you up. If you have a normal layer of fat, the muscles don't show particularly well, if at all, even if you contract your them until the sweat rolls down your back! This is most frustrating especially with the quads because you feel like your leg is about to fall off yet you can't see the cuts. BTW, thanks for your kind remarks about my posts, Nate. I'm flattered. Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon Venice, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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