Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Will, Do you have any references for kidney blowout? This claim is often repeated, but I've never been able to locate any supporting evidence. ~Greg -- Will Winter wrote: > One of the huge problems with the original ATKIN'S DIET was that people felt OK to > consume 5-10# of processed meats daily and they blew out their kidneys > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I have a little personal experience here - with my last pregnancy I had some issues (borderline GDM (diabetes) and some protein spillage) and I studied a lot about nutrition and it's effect on various pregnancy problems. I found that pretty much everything the doctors and midwives (in the Park Nicollet system and later another clinic system as I was kicked out for not taking insulin) said was not true. They prescribed a low fat diabetic diet of somewhere around 1500 calories and required arbitrary lower than normal blood glucose levels at all times. From my readings, they did this not even knowing the transfer rate of glucose across the placental wall, which varies greatly from woman to woman. They would have starved my baby if I had followed their plan. I do remember that protein spillage is often a function of a lower threshold for protein in the kidneys resulting in spillage - a NORMAL thing to occur in pregnancy. I have articles in my favorites file in my computer that will explain this so if you're interested, I will find them and email them to you. Also, referencing the Brewer Diet (www. blueribbonbaby. org) a woman's protein requirements are a bit higher in pregnancy but the body cannot " manufacture " protein so it will essentially canibalize the cell membranes as a last resort to nourish the baby. I am speaking in total laymans terms and as my baby is 9 months old now, I have forgotten some details. So in conclusion, from my readings and I read everything I could find, I remember that some protein spillage is normal (read: SOME, not an outlandish number) and protein and fat intake is incredibly important - meaning some references such as Tom Brewer of the Brewer diet recommend massive amounts of protein both to protect the mom and nourish the baby in utero. I ate a ton of protein and fat and did not take insulin. I had a healthy baby and the mean, condescending, but experienced physician who did not plan on letting my deliver naturally because my HUGE baby could not possibly be delivered naturally, said I had the healthiest and largest placenta she had ever seen. Also, my baby had perfect blood glucose even though mine was borderline high by modern standards, and she's perfectly healthy to date. --- Will Winter <holistic@...> wrote: > I'm joining in the protein powder conversation late > but I've been interested in following the > thread. A few things jumped out at me however that > didn't feel right, > > 1) h, protein in your urine would NOT indicate > that you are low in protein. It can > mean lots of things but low protein is certainly not > one of them > 2) Someone also mentioned that CALCIUM is in the > whey, granted there is a micro amount > there, but all the calcium salts are in white part > of milk, not the clear whey. > 3) As several people mentioned, Americans, in > general, are actually protein-poisoned and > virtually never need to supplement it. Low protein > people have scary physical symptoms > that are easily recognizable. The condition > (kwashiokor) is seen a lot both in the 3rd World > and 16 year old anorexic girls that want to look > like the Olsen twins. > > Your appetite situation sounds a bit unique but you > could start by calculating your > approximate daily protein intake. I bet it's 100% > fine. The RDA for protein is actually quite > modest and we do not need to consume much. One nifty > thing about any nutritional > deficiency is that our body will begin to CRAVE that > nutrient like mad when it's deficient. > It's true that pregnant women need to eat well, but > building a 6-8# infant over 9 months > doesn't really take all that much extra building > material. > > One of the huge problems with the original ATKIN'S > DIET was that people felt OK to > consume 5-10# of processed meats daily and they blew > out their kidneys The kidneys > must excrete all that ammonia that is a by-product > of burning protein for energy > (carbohydrates and fats burn into CO2 and water > whereas protein burns into CO2, water > and NITROGEN). Only the kidneys can excrete excess > nitrogen. (excess nitrogen in the > bloodstream --called BUN--also creates an unhealthy > environment for the fetus or > nursing child). > > Best wishes with the pregnancy and I bet your > appetite will fill in again soon, especially if > you can relax and enjoy the journey! Meanwhile the > mercola product will give you some > additional nutrients. I'm sure you will have a > SUPER BABY! > > Will Winter > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. http://autos./new_cars.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I have a little personal experience here - with my last pregnancy I had some issues (borderline GDM (diabetes) and some protein spillage) and I studied a lot about nutrition and it's effect on various pregnancy problems. I found that pretty much everything the doctors and midwives (in the Park Nicollet system and later another clinic system as I was kicked out for not taking insulin) said was not true. They prescribed a low fat diabetic diet of somewhere around 1500 calories and required arbitrary lower than normal blood glucose levels at all times. From my readings, they did this not even knowing the transfer rate of glucose across the placental wall, which varies greatly from woman to woman. They would have starved my baby if I had followed their plan. I do remember that protein spillage is often a function of a lower threshold for protein in the kidneys resulting in spillage - a NORMAL thing to occur in pregnancy. I have articles in my favorites file in my computer that will explain this so if you're interested, I will find them and email them to you. Also, referencing the Brewer Diet (www. blueribbonbaby. org) a woman's protein requirements are a bit higher in pregnancy but the body cannot " manufacture " protein so it will essentially canibalize the cell membranes as a last resort to nourish the baby. I am speaking in total laymans terms and as my baby is 9 months old now, I have forgotten some details. So in conclusion, from my readings and I read everything I could find, I remember that some protein spillage is normal (read: SOME, not an outlandish number) and protein and fat intake is incredibly important - meaning some references such as Tom Brewer of the Brewer diet recommend massive amounts of protein both to protect the mom and nourish the baby in utero. I ate a ton of protein and fat and did not take insulin. I had a healthy baby and the mean, condescending, but experienced physician who did not plan on letting my deliver naturally because my HUGE baby could not possibly be delivered naturally, said I had the healthiest and largest placenta she had ever seen. Also, my baby had perfect blood glucose even though mine was borderline high by modern standards, and she's perfectly healthy to date. --- Will Winter <holistic@...> wrote: > I'm joining in the protein powder conversation late > but I've been interested in following the > thread. A few things jumped out at me however that > didn't feel right, > > 1) h, protein in your urine would NOT indicate > that you are low in protein. It can > mean lots of things but low protein is certainly not > one of them > 2) Someone also mentioned that CALCIUM is in the > whey, granted there is a micro amount > there, but all the calcium salts are in white part > of milk, not the clear whey. > 3) As several people mentioned, Americans, in > general, are actually protein-poisoned and > virtually never need to supplement it. Low protein > people have scary physical symptoms > that are easily recognizable. The condition > (kwashiokor) is seen a lot both in the 3rd World > and 16 year old anorexic girls that want to look > like the Olsen twins. > > Your appetite situation sounds a bit unique but you > could start by calculating your > approximate daily protein intake. I bet it's 100% > fine. The RDA for protein is actually quite > modest and we do not need to consume much. One nifty > thing about any nutritional > deficiency is that our body will begin to CRAVE that > nutrient like mad when it's deficient. > It's true that pregnant women need to eat well, but > building a 6-8# infant over 9 months > doesn't really take all that much extra building > material. > > One of the huge problems with the original ATKIN'S > DIET was that people felt OK to > consume 5-10# of processed meats daily and they blew > out their kidneys The kidneys > must excrete all that ammonia that is a by-product > of burning protein for energy > (carbohydrates and fats burn into CO2 and water > whereas protein burns into CO2, water > and NITROGEN). Only the kidneys can excrete excess > nitrogen. (excess nitrogen in the > bloodstream --called BUN--also creates an unhealthy > environment for the fetus or > nursing child). > > Best wishes with the pregnancy and I bet your > appetite will fill in again soon, especially if > you can relax and enjoy the journey! Meanwhile the > mercola product will give you some > additional nutrients. I'm sure you will have a > SUPER BABY! > > Will Winter > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. http://autos./new_cars.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I was looking through some links and found one quick sentence that may point you in the direction I was heading: " Her vital organs are endangered. Her kidneys spill protein, not because she has too much, but because she has far too little. " from this link: http://www.spinningbabies.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=41 & Itemi\ d=34 From my experience, pregnant women are such an anomaly they cannot be categorized with non-pregnant people when it comes to diet or lab results. --- Will Winter <holistic@...> wrote: > I'm joining in the protein powder conversation late > but I've been interested in following the > thread. A few things jumped out at me however that > didn't feel right, > > 1) h, protein in your urine would NOT indicate > that you are low in protein. It can > mean lots of things but low protein is certainly not > one of them > 2) Someone also mentioned that CALCIUM is in the > whey, granted there is a micro amount > there, but all the calcium salts are in white part > of milk, not the clear whey. > 3) As several people mentioned, Americans, in > general, are actually protein-poisoned and > virtually never need to supplement it. Low protein > people have scary physical symptoms > that are easily recognizable. The condition > (kwashiokor) is seen a lot both in the 3rd World > and 16 year old anorexic girls that want to look > like the Olsen twins. > > Your appetite situation sounds a bit unique but you > could start by calculating your > approximate daily protein intake. I bet it's 100% > fine. The RDA for protein is actually quite > modest and we do not need to consume much. One nifty > thing about any nutritional > deficiency is that our body will begin to CRAVE that > nutrient like mad when it's deficient. > It's true that pregnant women need to eat well, but > building a 6-8# infant over 9 months > doesn't really take all that much extra building > material. > > One of the huge problems with the original ATKIN'S > DIET was that people felt OK to > consume 5-10# of processed meats daily and they blew > out their kidneys The kidneys > must excrete all that ammonia that is a by-product > of burning protein for energy > (carbohydrates and fats burn into CO2 and water > whereas protein burns into CO2, water > and NITROGEN). Only the kidneys can excrete excess > nitrogen. (excess nitrogen in the > bloodstream --called BUN--also creates an unhealthy > environment for the fetus or > nursing child). > > Best wishes with the pregnancy and I bet your > appetite will fill in again soon, especially if > you can relax and enjoy the journey! Meanwhile the > mercola product will give you some > additional nutrients. I'm sure you will have a > SUPER BABY! > > Will Winter > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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