Re: HELP! DPG & EO's

March 25, 2002

Just as I think it a thread appears.

But I have a question related to this: What is DPG?

--- sudsup <sudsup@...> wrote:

> Hi Guys,

>

> Could one of you brilliant guys tell me

> Hi Guys

>

> Id like to make a fragrance oil real fast out of one

> of my EO's, could

> somebody help me out on how to do this please? What

> usage rate for the DPG

> and am I supposed to use any carrier oil with this

> etc?

>

> Thanks for your help guys!

>

> >

March 25, 2002

Not sure what EO's you have. If you will get me a list can give you some

suggestions if you like. As far as how much depends on what concentration

you want and what you will be using it for.

Blessings be,

Kat

RainMeadow Scentuals

rainmeadows@...

http://www.geocities.com/rainmeadows/index.html

May your paths always find you rainbows!

HELP! DPG & EO's

Hi Guys,

Could one of you brilliant guys tell me

Hi Guys

Id like to make a fragrance oil real fast out of one of my EO's, could

somebody help me out on how to do this please? What usage rate for the

DPG

and am I supposed to use any carrier oil with this etc?

Thanks for your help guys!

>

March 25, 2002

Thank you thank you

I have quite a few EO's but the one I'm interested in working with right now

is Bergamot. I'm making a blend with Lavender EO and Lemon EO... I'd like

to add Bergamot, but I can't afford to use up a bunch of my Bergamot EO, so

I'm cool with adding it as a fragrance. The Bergamot is only being used for

the SMELL, not its therapeutic value. Oh, its lotion that I'll be using it

in Kat Also, I may as well ask where the best place is to get DPG in

large quantities. Thanks so much for the fast response!

----- Original Message -----

From: " Kat " <theskyes@...>

> Not sure what EO's you have. If you will get me a list can give you some

> suggestions if you like. As far as how much depends on what concentration

> you want and what you will be using it for.

> Blessings be,

> Kat

> RainMeadow Scentuals

> rainmeadows@...

> http://www.geocities.com/rainmeadows/index.html

> May your paths always find you rainbows!

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: sudsup

> >

>

March 25, 2002

-

There are all kinds of possible answers to this one! :-) Can you tell

me what EO you are thinking of using, and how you are wanting to use it?

Then I might be a lot more useful to you! Depending on the EO and the

use there are a lot of variables.

Lynda

--

Lynda Sorenson

http://www.Luna-Aromatics.com

sudsup wrote:

> Hi Guys,

>

> Could one of you brilliant guys tell me

> Hi Guys

>

> Id like to make a fragrance oil real fast out of one of my EO's, could

> somebody help me out on how to do this please? What usage rate for

> the DPG

> and am I supposed to use any carrier oil with this etc?

>

> Thanks for your help guys!

>

> >

March 25, 2002

Hi,

Ah i see if you mean dpg's as fragrance oil?? That I'm not into all that

much yet. I mostly use EO's. I like lemon,french lavender and cardamom

together in about a 8,5,1 ratio. As far as Bergamot fo in a lotion try cking

where you got it and they often have the amt to add. For EO's we use liberty

natural http://www.libertynatural.com/. They usually have our order ready

in 2-3 business days. They are in Portland Oregon which is close to us so we

pick our orders up. They have a $50 minimum but heck you can get that in

samples alone! Prices are very reasonable.

I like Bergamot also tho if you are making your own lotion you might try

some floral waters (hydrosols) Things like neroli (orange blossoms) have

wonderful skin properties.Not only add a subtle scent but all the goodies

too! The other thing you can try is to infuse the oil that you are going to

use in your recipe with say orange peels to give you the fragence you want.

Good luck and have fun!

Blessings be,

Kat

RainMeadow Scentuals

rainmeadows@...

http://www.geocities.com/rainmeadows/index.html

May your paths always find you rainbows!

Re: HELP! DPG & EO's

Thank you thank you

I have quite a few EO's but the one I'm interested in working with right

now

is Bergamot. I'm making a blend with Lavender EO and Lemon EO... I'd like

to add Bergamot, but I can't afford to use up a bunch of my Bergamot EO,

so

I'm cool with adding it as a fragrance. The Bergamot is only being used

for

the SMELL, not its therapeutic value. Oh, its lotion that I'll be using

it

in Kat Also, I may as well ask where the best place is to get DPG in

large quantities. Thanks so much for the fast response!

March 25, 2002

Hi!

, unless your Bergamot oil is bergaptene- or furocoumarin-free, I

would strongly advise you against using it on the skin in ANY form. It

is what we call a photo-toxic or photosensitizing oil. What that

translates to is that if Bergamot is used on the skin and even if it is

immediately taken off the skin, you should not go in sunlight at all for

24 hours. Unless one lives in a cave :-D that causes real problems.

Increased risk of skin cancer, increased sunburn, rashes, blotchy

pigmentation that can last a very, very long time. I can not possibly

word this scary enough! There is evidence that this risk increases for

the user by 20% for each 3000 ft in elevation, also in high temps and

high humidity. Then there is skin type, etc to consider. For more

information on this, go to Watt's website

http://www.aromamedical.demon.co.uk He is the expert opinion on this.

Also look for his article in the AGORA pages

http://users.erols.com/sisakson/pages/agoindex.htm Also look at

http://www.ifraorg.org/Guidelines/asp Go to 'Standards' in the

drop-down menu. The suggested dilutiuon for bergamot is 0.4%, which is

2 drops per ounce of product.

Um, just to tell you where I am coming from, I just joined this list a

few weeks ago, and have been lurking and learning for the most part. I

know NOTHING about making toiletries, and you have all been so generous

with your knowledge and sources. Thank you! But... what I DO know a

whole lot about is skin care - have been doing that professionally for

12 years now, and about using EOs in skin care, got a certificate in AT

from Australaian College. I am in the (very long) process of writing a

book on using AT in skin care, and starting my own retail shop/salon

next week. So, any questions about EOs in skin care I can probably

answer for you. I'm a BIG stickler for safety with EOs. :-D

HTH-

Lynda

sudsup wrote:

> Thank you thank you

>

> I have quite a few EO's but the one I'm interested in working with

> right now

> is Bergamot. I'm making a blend with Lavender EO and Lemon EO... I'd like

> to add Bergamot, but I can't afford to use up a bunch of my Bergamot

> EO, so

> I'm cool with adding it as a fragrance. The Bergamot is only being

> used for

> the SMELL, not its therapeutic value. Oh, its lotion that I'll be

> using it

> in Kat Also, I may as well ask where the best place is to get DPG in

> large quantities. Thanks so much for the fast response!

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Kat " <theskyes@...>

>

> > Not sure what EO's you have. If you will get me a list can give you some

> > suggestions if you like. As far as how much depends on what

> concentration

> > you want and what you will be using it for.

> > Blessings be,

> > Kat

> > RainMeadow Scentuals

> > rainmeadows@...

> > http://www.geocities.com/rainmeadows/index.html

> > May your paths always find you rainbows!

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: sudsup

> > >

> >

March 25, 2002

Hi

I think I did a bad job explaining what I needed I guess my question

should have been how does one make a fragrance oil out of an essential oil.

The one in question is Bergamot. I seem to have read somewhere that the EO

could be " cut " with DPG and some carrier oil or other. I am not sure if

this is correct. In THIS instance, I am not concerned about the therapeutic

value of the Bergamot... just the smell. I hope this clarifies my question

Re: HELP! DPG & EO's

> Hi,

> Ah i see if you mean dpg's as fragrance oil?? That I'm not into all that

> much yet. I mostly use EO's. I like lemon,french lavender and cardamom

>

March 25, 2002

Hi Lynda:

Since you are willing to help out with EO questions, ahem I wanted to

know if you know of a company that ships to South America, or if there is a

supplier of EO's in South America. )))))

Thanks!

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March 26, 2002

Hi Lynda, I too am a stickler for safety with EO's, in fact I also started

my aromatherapy studies with the Australasian College! Small world So,

yes..of course I only use bergaptene free Bergamot for these applications.

Still need to know how to make a fragrance tho

> > >

March 26, 2002

sudsup wrote:

> Hi Lynda, I too am a stickler for safety with EO's, in fact I also started

> my aromatherapy studies with the Australasian College! Small world

> So,

> yes..of course I only use bergaptene free Bergamot for these applications.

> Still need to know how to make a fragrance tho

>

-

Good luck with your course! If I can help in any way, don't hesitate to

ask! There is a section (I think section 6, too lazy to get up and

look!) in the manual that talks about perfumery and how to dilute the

EOs for perfumes, colognes, etc. If you are just using the bergaptene

free Bergamot, then I would go ahead and dilute it at a 1-2% dilution,

which is between 7 & 15 drops per ounce of product. I always start

with the least amount and work my way higher gradually til I get the

saturation of scent that I want. I became sensitized to Lavender fairly

early on in my use of AT, so that is one of the reasons I am such a

fiend for safe use. Best of luck!

Lynda

--

Lynda Sorenson

http://www.Luna-Aromatics.com

March 26, 2002

In a message dated 3/26/02 9:29:34 AM Central Standard Time,

Lynda@... writes:

> the bergaptene

I feel like a four year old, always asking questions, but.... What is

bergaptene, why do we want to avoid it, and how does one know if the

bergamont contains it or not? Thanks! :-))

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((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

March 26, 2002

In a message dated 3/26/02 9:29:34 AM Central Standard Time,

Lynda@... writes:

> the bergaptene

I feel like a four year old, always asking questions, but.... What is

bergaptene, why do we want to avoid it, and how does one know if the

bergamont contains it or not? Thanks! :-))

¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

March 26, 2002

Thanks . You make a great teacher. I am very pleased, not sorry, I

asked you.

¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

March 26, 2002

Hi,

I have been thinking of enrolling at Australasian College also. What do you

think about it? I've spoken with them,they seem very knowledgeable and nice

but... I have a problem. Since an injury a number of years ago I've had

times when getting up out of bed is not possible for weeks on end. One of

the things they are pretty firm about is the amount of time allotted for the

classes. Have either of you found this to be a problem??

This is something I really wanted to do as was a registed nurse until the

injury by a patient 10yrs ago. Sort of feels like it's something i could do

and many doctors are more open about non traditional medicine. I'd

appreciate any advice, suggestions you could give me. Thanks!

Blessings be,

Kat

RainMeadow Scentuals

rainmeadows@...

http://www.geocities.com/rainmeadows/index.html

May your paths always find you rainbows!

Re: HELP! DPG & EO's

Hi Lynda, I too am a stickler for safety with EO's, in fact I also started

my aromatherapy studies with the Australasian College! Small world

So,

yes..of course I only use bergaptene free Bergamot for these applications.

Still need to know how to make a fragrance tho

March 26, 2002

Kat-

I'm not sure if I can answer this on-list as detailed and as frankly as

I would want to. I'll take a stab at it in a more discreet manner, and

if you would like more details I would be happy to talk with you on it.

First off, I really liked their course. It wasn't perfect. I come

from several generations of nurses (I am the 'black sheep' of the

family:-D) and there were things in the course that I thought were not

appropriate to suggest to the average user, such as various types of

conditions a particular oil might be used for. To me that got just a

little too close to suggesting them as medical treatment, which as you

know is not legal for someone to suggest unless they are a Dr, and not

many American Drs know much that is useful about AT. Australasian

College (ACHS) does cover their backsides on this issue by offering a

disclaimer that this course is not meant as medical training, and the

information is just for use on friends and family, but then I wonder why

teach some of those things at all, if that is the case. But for the

most part I found the information useful, and saw it as a great starting

point for the researches online and elsewhere that have made my

education all the more complete, and still continuing. I think they

give the student a great base to work from and grow from. Just use your

own good brain and discretion.

The other two courses that I would have recommended are by Pacific

Institute of Aromatherapy, and the Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy.

Until I got a look at the manual for the PIA course, that is... I

found that course to be really big on EO chemistry, which is really

important, but never related the chemistry to the actions of the oils.

That made no sense to me. So you would have a complete profile of

Lavender, for example, and the typical chemistry of Lavender oils, but

at no point that I saw did it say, ok, these chemicals here make

Lavender relaxing, and these chemicals over here make Lavender a great

anti-inflammatory, etc. So you had a LOT of technical knowledge, and no

practical knowledge of how to make that useful.

The AIA course is excellent as much as I know about it. I have great

respect for Sylla, and I think that MArtin Watt, who provides a lot of

the safety info for the course is great. But it is the most expensive

course.

If I had it to do all over again , I would still go with ACHS, and spend

the $125 for Sylla's Aromatherapy Practitioner's Reference Manual, and

also get Watt's Plant Aromatics. WELL worth the money, both of

them, they are worth their weight in gold, IMO. Another book you might

be interested in as a nurse, is Jane Buckle's Clinical Aromatherapy in

Nursing. I also have a good friend who is a nurse/Aromatherapist, that

I am sure would be happy to talk to you, if you like.

Also, as far as finishing the course within a set amount of time... A

LOT of what you will be doing is reading, something you probably do to

keep yourself from going crazy anyway on those days you are confined to

your bed. The new AT tutor is not NEARLY as strict as the ones I had,

and doesn't want as much detail put into the assignments. I think the

students ultimately lose out because of that, but just my opinion. It

does mean a lot less hours sitting at the computer from when I went. I

think I spent about 3-4 hours a nite working on the course, with about a

week's 'normal life' in between each section. A lot of that was self

imposed because each thing we studied made me want to learn more on that

aspect in detail, so I read other books and searched a LOT on the

internet. The course took me a year, but I have a friend that is just

taking her final today, and we both started at the same time... I

finished two years ago :-D So whatever they say about the timing, I

happen to know they will let you take your time. You just end up paying

a little more. Ask them about that. As you say, they were always very

nice people to deal with.

Best Wishes-

Lynda

Kat wrote:

> Hi,

> I have been thinking of enrolling at Australasian College also. What

> do you

> think about it? I've spoken with them,they seem very knowledgeable and

> nice

> but... I have a problem. Since an injury a number of years ago I've had

> times when getting up out of bed is not possible for weeks on end. One of

> the things they are pretty firm about is the amount of time allotted

> for the

> classes. Have either of you found this to be a problem??

>

> This is something I really wanted to do as was a registed nurse until the

> injury by a patient 10yrs ago. Sort of feels like it's something i

> could do

> and many doctors are more open about non traditional medicine. I'd

> appreciate any advice, suggestions you could give me. Thanks!

> Blessings be,

> Kat

> RainMeadow Scentuals

> rainmeadows@...

> http://www.geocities.com/rainmeadows/index.html

> May your paths always find you rainbows!

>

> Re: HELP! DPG & EO's

>

> Hi Lynda, I too am a stickler for safety with EO's, in fact I also

> started

> my aromatherapy studies with the Australasian College! Small world

> So,

> yes..of course I only use bergaptene free Bergamot for these

> applications.

> Still need to know how to make a fragrance tho

>

March 26, 2002