OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

March 21, 2002

In a message dated 3/21/2002 3:46:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,

saturner@... writes:

> I went to the site...does anyone else recognize recipes (as well as recipes

> from several books and other websites) they have posted to these lists over

> the years? This is a copyright violation!!

>

I recognized alot of them and just blew it off. Don't you have to have

permission to post things like that? Some people.....

Janice

March 21, 2002

OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY, GIFT MIX, EXTREMELY RARE, AND DIET

RECIPES... including THE HOLLYWOOD DIET RECIPE LOSE 10 LBS IN ONE

WEEKEND(AND BEST OF ALL, SAVE $34).

504 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES YOU CAN MAKE AT HOME

Including: AGING SKIN FIGHTER, ORANGE JUICE-TAPIOCA MASK (soothes

skin and retards wrinkles), Mask for Mature or Aging Skin, General

Fat Attack Massage Oil, Anti-cellulite Massage Oil, Menopausal Sweats

Relief

Sexual Energy Oil #1, Sexual Energy Oil #2, Erotic Massage Oil -

Sultry Nights and Roses, Exotic Patchouli Massage Oil, Erotic Massage

Oil - Velvet Seduction, Erotic Massage Oil - Arabian Nights, Sensuous

Massage Oil

PMS Massage Oil, Exhaustion during Pregnancy Relief, MINT SOUFFLÉ

MASK (for tired skin), Post-pregnancy Depression #1 perfume, Post-

pregnancy Depression #2 perfume, Stretch Mark Oil, Headache

(Hormonal) Formula

Makeup Remover and Moisturizer, Hot Oil Treatment for Hair, Hair

Color - Red Highlights for Hair, Hair Color - Blonde Highlights for

Hair, Blond Hair Highlighter, Frizz Tamer for Hair, Custom - Scented

Hair Gel

Do it Yourself " Petroleum " Jelly, ROLL-OUT SCRUB (for acne), Cinnamon

Soap, Strawberry Belly and Breast Scrub, Chocolate lip gloss, Cocoa

Butter Minty Lip Balm, Beeswax Lip Balm

Sugar Body Scrub, Sweet Face Scrub, Sweet Strawberry Face,

Chamomile / Mint Astringent (Non-alcoholic for Sensitive Skin), BROWN

SUGAR CALLUS EXFOLIATOR... AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS MORE.

Click below for the complete list of recipes:

http://www.alicee.net/briefencounterstore

March 21, 2002

You get 'em, Kitty Cat!!!

Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

I went to the site...does anyone else recognize recipes (as well as recipes

from several books and other websites) they have posted to these lists over

the years? This is a copyright violation!!

> OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY, GIFT MIX, EXTREMELY RARE, AND DIET

> RECIPES... including THE HOLLYWOOD DIET RECIPE LOSE 10 LBS IN ONE

> WEEKEND(AND BEST OF ALL, SAVE $34).

>

> 504 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES YOU CAN MAKE AT HOME

March 21, 2002

I went to the site...does anyone else recognize recipes (as well as recipes

from several books and other websites) they have posted to these lists over

the years? This is a copyright violation!!

> OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY, GIFT MIX, EXTREMELY RARE, AND DIET

> RECIPES... including THE HOLLYWOOD DIET RECIPE LOSE 10 LBS IN ONE

> WEEKEND(AND BEST OF ALL, SAVE $34).

>

> 504 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES YOU CAN MAKE AT HOME

March 21, 2002

Hi Cat,

What is the web address on that site?

>From: " Cat " <saturner@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:44:56 -0600

>

>I went to the site...does anyone else recognize recipes (as well as recipes

>from several books and other websites) they have posted to these lists over

>the years? This is a copyright violation!!

>

> > OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY, GIFT MIX, EXTREMELY RARE, AND DIET

> > RECIPES... including THE HOLLYWOOD DIET RECIPE LOSE 10 LBS IN ONE

> > WEEKEND(AND BEST OF ALL, SAVE $34).

> >

> > 504 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES YOU CAN MAKE AT HOME

>

R. Gomez

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Rutgers University

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March 21, 2002

Yes Cat, I recognise loads of recipes on the site.... lots of them

come from soap websites.... looks like someone has just been trolling

the net for recipes to sell!

> I went to the site...does anyone else recognize recipes (as well as

recipes

> from several books and other websites) they have posted to these

lists over

> the years? This is a copyright violation!!

>

> > OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY, GIFT MIX, EXTREMELY RARE, AND DIET

> > RECIPES... including THE HOLLYWOOD DIET RECIPE LOSE 10 LBS IN ONE

> > WEEKEND(AND BEST OF ALL, SAVE $34).

> >

> > 504 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES YOU CAN MAKE AT HOME

March 21, 2002

For instance, the Creme de la Creme recipe (if it is indeed the same) was

posted in the Toiletries Library by Kathy Tarbox, and the " Erotic Massage

Oils " are a direct rip-off from Chrissie Wildwood's book " Erotic

Aromatherapy " . Not only is it spam of the worst kind, but it is

plagarization and violation of Copyright, since she is selling these recipes

for profit!

> Yes Cat, I recognise loads of recipes on the site.... lots of them

> come from soap websites.... looks like someone has just been trolling

> the net for recipes to sell!

March 21, 2002

In a message dated 3/21/02 10:59:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,

briefencounterstore@... writes:

> http://www.alicee.net/briefencounterstore

>

I like how you can buy the book but you have to agree not to reproduce the

recipes. Yet, from the sounds of many of the recipes she has reproduced them

from other sources. There are recipes listed that sound just like some the

ones in Janice 's books, many sound just like Cat's recipes and blends and

many sound like recipes from either this library or the soapnuts library.

I wonder if the person selling the recipes received permission from the

original authors.

Any ideas????

lynn in valencia

lavender bluffs bath and body

" A little touch of heaven in your bath "

March 21, 2002

In a message dated 3/21/02 12:53:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Ladylion23@... writes:

> I recognized alot of them and just blew it off.

I think the " author " of the book is hoping that the majority of us will

either buy the book or just ignore the plagerism issue.

The inherent problem in this situation is that more and more recipes that

have been formulated by someone are showing up on other people's websites.

Before anyone gets mad or starts flaming me, let me clarify a few things that

I mean about that.

In the last month there have been postings from two seperate posters on the

various toiletry and soap lists, advertising their new websites with recipes

that they themselves have purported to create and that are listed for

everyone to come take a look at and try.

The only problem: on both sites were numerous recipes and scent blends from

Cat that were copied word for word from this list or from this list's

library.

No credit was given to Cat and no one, to my knowledge, asked Cat for her

permission.

I asked Cat about this and she confirmed that no one had approached her

asking for her permission. She is a good friend of mine and I hate to see

her ripped off this way.

How long are we as a community going to sit by and let other people take

credit and benefit financially from recipes that do not belong to them?

At some point, don't we have a responsibility to email the offending parties

and let them know that we know and that we are telling others as well? Don't

Cat, Janice and the numerous pioneeers of scent blending and handcrafting

recipes deserve our support?

When did plagerism become okay?

lynn in valencia

lavender bluffs bath and body

" A little touch of heaven in your bath "

March 21, 2002

I bought all of the recipes for a total of $55 off E-Bay. The

recipes are free, I'm only charging the time I spent putting the

recipes together and formatting, etc., etc. Besides, I know the

people that buy them from me will resell them themselves.

March 22, 2002

Regardless of the source, the recipes from this list were shared at no

charge with other list-members.

I am curious, what was your purpose in joining this list? To freely share

recipes and ideas pertaining to toiletries or to palagiarize more of them

for profit?

> I bought all of the recipes for a total of $55 off E-Bay. The

> recipes are free, I'm only charging the time I spent putting the

> recipes together and formatting, etc., etc. Besides, I know the

> people that buy them from me will resell them themselves.

March 22, 2002

Copying other's original recipes without giving them credit is not good.

However, We are all doing some sort of copying of each other's products so

one shouldn't throw stones. Please don't take this wrong but last year I

posted the directions for doing hand dipped individual rose petals which I

credited to the author of the book from which I took it.

Then shortly thereafter, one of our members gave the same idea to another

member and put them in a wine glass which is how the book showed them

originally. Then that person made them blah, blah. So what I am saying is

if the recipe is made public knowledge by putting it on the internet then I

believe that it is meant to to be shared. I have never put anything out

there that I didn't want others to use. I do believe you should give

credit to the author if it is from a book as I believe it helps to promote

that book. If a recipe is truly secret, then it should not be shared.

Simple way to handle it, no feathers ruffled. If you want to keep it

secret, keep it secret, you don't publish it in books, you don't post it,

etc. Let's not go here again, we just spent nearly a week on it a while

back and its been beat to death. Let's just all use good judgement, give

credit where credit is due and be honest. Carol A2

March 22, 2002

Shall we boycott? As a child of the 60's, I say it is too bad we cannot to a

sit-in demonstration. :-) I, too, am sorry to see wonderful sharing people

ripped off.

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March 22, 2002

Cat,

As far as the Creme da la creme blend is concerned, that was created by

Steph at The Sage. You will find it on their website. I do not know who

Kathy Tarbox is but I do not believe she created it, at least not the same

version as Steph. She merely found something exciting and shared it just as

everyone on this forum is doing.

I do not know what the copyright laws are and that is definitely a whole

other topic but unless a name is copywritten as well, I'll bet no laws are

broken by using the same name. May not be the same formulation as a

copywritten recipe. Only an attorney who specializes in copyrights would

know if it is legal for this company to be making a profit off of recipes

that probably did come from other web sites. But again, they may have

changed one ingredient, just as everyone else in their home based business

is doing who is then selling their products. Actually, if not for the fact

that I do a lot of research and probably have gotten most of the recipes

offered for free off the web, I just might be interested in the 705 recipe

deal.

I suspect that if copyright laws are being broken it will be investigated

thoroughly by the parties involved who created these recipes in question.

You are kind to worry about the others.

Just my thoughts.

SD

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

> For instance, the Creme de la Creme recipe (if it is indeed the same) was

> posted in the Toiletries Library by Kathy Tarbox, and the " Erotic Massage

> Oils " are a direct rip-off from Chrissie Wildwood's book " Erotic

> Aromatherapy " . Not only is it spam of the worst kind, but it is

> plagarization and violation of Copyright, since she is selling these

recipes

> for profit!

>

> > >

>

March 22, 2002