Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hi Dawn That was an amazing response you wrote. I find if I center myself and lead with my heart and often place my heart consciously over the patient when I adjust or entrain the results are always more profound. Welcome to Oregon!Happy Healing,Elliott Mantell Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Dawn Sea Kahrs <dawnseakahrs@...>Sender: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:42:46 -0800Charlie Caughlin<caughlindrc@...>; < >Subject: Re: EFT / State of Being... While I can't speak directly on EFT, I can state WITHOUT DOUBT from witnessing, experiencing, and (years) practicing that the internal state of the doctor/practitioner/chiropractor IS a factor - in any kind of interaction - and especially in a potential for healing that we have the opportunity with as chiropractors.There are certainly ways of adjusting (or even manipulating...) that can decrease a person's physical symptom, at least temporarily, resetting muscle spindle fibers, etc., without being very mindful of one's thoughts or state. However, in the truly 'magical' adjustments, entrainments, and life 'healing' that I have experienced or played a role in, there was *always* some kind of connection, centered-ness, or practice that the practitioner/doctor held, which created the space of safety (yes, emotional safety) and therefore receptivity for the client to be willing to connect within their bodymind on a much deeper, sometimes profound level. From that place of connection within, almost 'magical' healing takes place. It is not 'easy' (due to our many distractions, social media, negative mass conscious thoughts, & often just lack of practice etc.), however, it can be simple.As an example on 'state'. I've facilitated student/doctor practice groups, most often in the context of Network Spinal Analysis. Sometimes the volunteer student/doctor would lay down on the table, and their respiration (spinal visual respiratory movement) would become very shallow, as though their body was guarding/bracing as if prepared for a (perhaps verbal) attack. I would then ask each person in the focus group to put their hands on their chest/heart area and take a breath in the nose, and out the mouth. Then bring love into their heart. Empty their thoughts, and put their attention on serving the person on the table. Invariably the 'patient' would then relax, start 'breathing' again, or sit up and share a more profound observation of how they felt prior to this simple exercise, and after. This was without ever 'touching' the patient at all.The more attuned & clear our internal (i.e. nervous) system is, the more perceptive (and receptive) our body can be to the subtle cues of our environment. This includes subtle cues from the people around us, and allows us to adapt to potential stressful situations, avoid or transmute unnecessary conflict, make different choices on an instinctual level, and (if our signal is strong enough - think Mother , Gandi, Jesus, etc.), even help change the state of those around and connected to us.I find that when I've taken the time to do my inner work and practices, my ability to hold the possibility of limitless potential in my heart and mind creates some surprising and sometimes profound changes for clients. I also find that when I'm not in that state, and/or having difficulty remaining there long enough for my adjustments/entrainments, I often experience disappointment, self-irritation, and (occasionally) even anger at myself for not being at my best for my clients.The difficulty and challenge when one is open to the above, is in acceptance of total and complete responsibility for one's thoughts, limiting beliefs, and internal state - especially when working with clients. It is a (wonderful) yet at times challenging piece of work to be completely accountable. It certainly won't harm our patients to center ourselves, come from a place of unconditional love and acceptance, and hold the potential and suspension in our minds for limitless healing - before ever putting our hands on them. The only reason I would imagine there would be intrepidation about trying that simple exercise, would be in raising the accountability bar so much higher than a simple, mechanistic view of correcting or fixing something that's often seen as 'broken'.What if the subluxation IS the medicine? How do we facilitate our client to more perfectly digest it, with appropriate conscious awareness to the degree it calls for? Their innate wisdom has the key...we just have to KNOW it...and use a little WD-40 to help it along. :)Good to be here everyone - looking forward to more!And a big thank-you to Rod , DC - the one who first introduced me to Chiropractic over 18 years ago. Thank you Rod - I can't imagine what life would have been like without Chiropractic, this work, or this wonderful path and opportunity we have to support humanity to flourish..._________________________________Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs, DCGraceful Waves ChiropracticP.O. Box 53Wheeler, OR 97147Phone: (503) 374-9504E-mail: dawnseakahrs@... " Be the change you wish to see in the world. " -Mahatma Gandhi " Healing is the revealing of one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and child is contribution in humanity. " -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DCOn Feb 8, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Charlie Caughlin wrote:> Okay les rather than quote someone else your thoughts?> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry>> EFT> > >>>> Docs:>> Here is another short video on EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) that > explains it a little better>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQp0kA5a5OI & amp;NR=1>> I was just curious if anyone has tried it and if it yielded material > results on a consistent basis. My skepticism of these kinds of > techniques stems from my days at WSCC when a fellow classmate, who had > studied directly under Goodheart, was student-teaching us AK > and began to venture off into the metaphysical by showing us that > someone standing at the other end of a long hall could influence the > muscle testing on another subject just by thinking negative thoughts > about them. That's when I lost interest in AK. When the attitude of > the examiner or someone else present in the room, such as a surrogate > (or even someone clear across the country), can influence the outcome > of your examination and/or treatment, I just can't seem to buy it and > wouldn't feel comfortable charging for it under the chiropractic > umbrella.>> Lyndon McGill, D.C.> Salem, Oregon> www.SalemSpineClinic.com <http://www.SalemSpineClinic.com>> Evolving Doctors <http://www.mcgillonline.com/Doctors>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>> All posts must adhere to OregonDCs rules located on homepage at: > /> Tell a colleague about OregonDCs! (must be licensed Oregon DC) > Groups Links>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thank you Elliott. I too center myself and connect with my heart energy, as well as running my energy up and down (heavens & core of earth). I also pull my own energetic field back at times, with the intention of giving the practice member their personal space and safety. (fine balance between allowing/gently encouraging, and putting too much of our own self into the picture I think of it like musical resonance...if I play a note on the flute, at the right frequency, a nearby piano string (same note) will entrain to the same pitch I'm playing, and we now have audible harmony. The note or frequency connects the two, yet, the timbre of each instrument is unique! _________________________________ Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC Graceful Waves Chiropractic P.O. Box 53 Wheeler, OR 97147 Phone: (503) 374-9504 E-mail: dawnseakahrs@... " Be the change you wish to see in the world. " -Mahatma Gandhi " Healing is the revealing of one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and child is contribution in humanity. " -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC On Feb 8, 2011, at 11:48 PM, commongroundchiropractic@... wrote: > Hi Dawn > That was an amazing response you wrote. I find if I center myself and > lead with my heart and often place my heart consciously over the > patient when I adjust or entrain the results are always more profound. > Welcome to Oregon! > Happy Healing, > Elliott Mantell > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > From: Dawn Sea Kahrs <dawnseakahrs@...> > Sender: > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:42:46 -0800 > Charlie Caughlin<caughlindrc@...>; > < > > Subject: Re: EFT / State of Being... > > > While I can't speak directly on EFT, I can state WITHOUT DOUBT from > witnessing, experiencing, and (years) practicing that the internal > state of the doctor/practitioner/chiropractor IS a factor - in any > kind > of interaction - and especially in a potential for healing that we > have > the opportunity with as chiropractors. > > There are certainly ways of adjusting (or even manipulating...) that > can decrease a person's physical symptom, at least temporarily, > resetting muscle spindle fibers, etc., without being very mindful of > one's thoughts or state. However, in the truly 'magical' adjustments, > entrainments, and life 'healing' that I have experienced or played a > role in, there was *always* some kind of connection, centered-ness, or > practice that the practitioner/doctor held, which created the space of > safety (yes, emotional safety) and therefore receptivity for the > client > to be willing to connect within their bodymind on a much deeper, > sometimes profound level. From that place of connection within, almost > 'magical' healing takes place. It is not 'easy' (due to our many > distractions, social media, negative mass conscious thoughts, & often > just lack of practice etc.), however, it can be simple. > > As an example on 'state'. I've facilitated student/doctor practice > groups, most often in the context of Network Spinal Analysis. > Sometimes the volunteer student/doctor would lay down on the table, > and > their respiration (spinal visual respiratory movement) would become > very shallow, as though their body was guarding/bracing as if prepared > for a (perhaps verbal) attack. I would then ask each person in the > focus group to put their hands on their chest/heart area and take a > breath in the nose, and out the mouth. Then bring love into their > heart. Empty their thoughts, and put their attention on serving the > person on the table. Invariably the 'patient' would then relax, start > 'breathing' again, or sit up and share a more profound observation of > how they felt prior to this simple exercise, and after. This was > without ever 'touching' the patient at all. > > The more attuned & clear our internal (i.e. nervous) system is, the > more perceptive (and receptive) our body can be to the subtle cues of > our environment. This includes subtle cues from the people around us, > and allows us to adapt to potential stressful situations, avoid or > transmute unnecessary conflict, make different choices on an > instinctual level, and (if our signal is strong enough - think Mother > , Gandi, Jesus, etc.), even help change the state of those > around > and connected to us. > > I find that when I've taken the time to do my inner work and > practices, > my ability to hold the possibility of limitless potential in my heart > and mind creates some surprising and sometimes profound changes for > clients. I also find that when I'm not in that state, and/or having > difficulty remaining there long enough for my > adjustments/entrainments, > I often experience disappointment, self-irritation, and (occasionally) > even anger at myself for not being at my best for my clients. > > The difficulty and challenge when one is open to the above, is in > acceptance of total and complete responsibility for one's thoughts, > limiting beliefs, and internal state - especially when working with > clients. It is a (wonderful) yet at times challenging piece of work to > be completely accountable. It certainly won't harm our patients to > center ourselves, come from a place of unconditional love and > acceptance, and hold the potential and suspension in our minds for > limitless healing - before ever putting our hands on them. The only > reason I would imagine there would be intrepidation about trying that > simple exercise, would be in raising the accountability bar so much > higher than a simple, mechanistic view of correcting or fixing > something that's often seen as 'broken'. > > What if the subluxation IS the medicine? How do we facilitate our > client to more perfectly digest it, with appropriate conscious > awareness to the degree it calls for? Their innate wisdom has the > key...we just have to KNOW it...and use a little WD-40 to help it > along. > > Good to be here everyone - looking forward to more! > > And a big thank-you to Rod , DC - the one who first introduced > me to Chiropractic over 18 years ago. Thank you Rod - I can't imagine > what life would have been like without Chiropractic, this work, or > this > wonderful path and opportunity we have to support humanity to > flourish... > > _________________________________ > Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC > > Graceful Waves Chiropractic > P.O. Box 53 > Wheeler, OR 97147 > Phone: (503) 374-9504 > E-mail: dawnseakahrs@... > > " Be the change you wish to see in the world. " -Mahatma Gandhi > > " Healing is the revealing of one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and > child is contribution in humanity. " -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC > > On Feb 8, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Charlie Caughlin wrote: > > > Okay les rather than quote someone else your thoughts? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > EFT > > > > > > > > > > > > Docs: > > > > Here is another short video on EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) > that > > explains it a little better > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQp0kA5a5OI & amp;NR=1 > > > > I was just curious if anyone has tried it and if it yielded material > > results on a consistent basis. My skepticism of these kinds of > > techniques stems from my days at WSCC when a fellow classmate, who > had > > studied directly under Goodheart, was student-teaching us AK > > and began to venture off into the metaphysical by showing us that > > someone standing at the other end of a long hall could influence the > > muscle testing on another subject just by thinking negative thoughts > > about them. That's when I lost interest in AK. When the attitude of > > the examiner or someone else present in the room, such as a > surrogate > > (or even someone clear across the country), can influence the > outcome > > of your examination and/or treatment, I just can't seem to buy it > and > > wouldn't feel comfortable charging for it under the chiropractic > > umbrella. > > > > Lyndon McGill, D.C. > > Salem, Oregon > > www.SalemSpineClinic.com <http://www.SalemSpineClinic.com> > > Evolving Doctors <http://www.mcgillonline.com/Doctors> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > All posts must adhere to OregonDCs rules located on homepage at: > > / > > Tell a colleague about OregonDCs! (must be licensed Oregon DC) > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Welcome Dawn,But yet . . ."If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are." And, "A flower falls even though we love it and a weed grows even though we do not love it." (Zen proverbs)As Nietzche says, "There is more wisdom in your body than in your deepest philosophies." So, best we reveal oursleves by example. As the Budhha tells us, "Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity." Cheers! Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Feb 9, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Dawn Sea Kahrs wrote:Thank you Elliott.I too center myself and connect with my heart energy, as well as running my energy up and down (heavens & core of earth). I also pull my own energetic field back at times, with the intention of giving the practice member their personal space and safety. (fine balance between allowing/gently encouraging, and putting too much of our own self into the picture I think of it like musical resonance...if I play a note on the flute, at the right frequency, a nearby piano string (same note) will entrain to the same pitch I'm playing, and we now have audible harmony. The note or frequency connects the two, yet, the timbre of each instrument is unique! _________________________________Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs, DCGraceful Waves ChiropracticP.O. Box 53Wheeler, OR 97147Phone: (503) 374-9504E-mail: dawnseakahrs@..."Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi"Healing is the revealing of one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and child is contribution in humanity." -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DCOn Feb 8, 2011, at 11:48 PM, commongroundchiropractic@... wrote: Hi Dawn That was an amazing response you wrote. I find if I center myself and lead with my heart and often place my heart consciously over the patient when I adjust or entrain the results are always more profound. Welcome to Oregon!Happy Healing,Elliott MantellSent via BlackBerry by AT & TFrom: Dawn Sea Kahrs <dawnseakahrs@...>Sender: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:42:46 -0800Charlie Caughlin<caughlindrc@...>; < >Subject: Re: EFT / State of Being...While I can't speak directly on EFT, I can state WITHOUT DOUBT from witnessing, experiencing, and (years) practicing that the internal state of the doctor/practitioner/chiropractor IS a factor - in any kind of interaction - and especially in a potential for healing that we have the opportunity with as chiropractors. There are certainly ways of adjusting (or even manipulating...) that can decrease a person's physical symptom, at least temporarily, resetting muscle spindle fibers, etc., without being very mindful of one's thoughts or state. However, in the truly 'magical' adjustments, entrainments, and life 'healing' that I have experienced or played a role in, there was *always* some kind of connection, centered-ness, or practice that the practitioner/doctor held, which created the space of safety (yes, emotional safety) and therefore receptivity for the client to be willing to connect within their bodymind on a much deeper, sometimes profound level. From that place of connection within, almost 'magical' healing takes place. It is not 'easy' (due to our many distractions, social media, negative mass conscious thoughts, & often just lack of practice etc.), however, it can be simple. As an example on 'state'. I've facilitated student/doctor practice groups, most often in the context of Network Spinal Analysis. Sometimes the volunteer student/doctor would lay down on the table, and their respiration (spinal visual respiratory movement) would become very shallow, as though their body was guarding/bracing as if prepared for a (perhaps verbal) attack. I would then ask each person in the focus group to put their hands on their chest/heart area and take a breath in the nose, and out the mouth. Then bring love into their heart. Empty their thoughts, and put their attention on serving the person on the table. Invariably the 'patient' would then relax, start 'breathing' again, or sit up and share a more profound observation of how they felt prior to this simple exercise, and after. This was without ever 'touching' the patient at all. The more attuned & clear our internal (i.e. nervous) system is, the more perceptive (and receptive) our body can be to the subtle cues of our environment. This includes subtle cues from the people around us, and allows us to adapt to potential stressful situations, avoid or transmute unnecessary conflict, make different choices on an instinctual level, and (if our signal is strong enough - think Mother , Gandi, Jesus, etc.), even help change the state of those around and connected to us. I find that when I've taken the time to do my inner work and practices, my ability to hold the possibility of limitless potential in my heart and mind creates some surprising and sometimes profound changes for clients. I also find that when I'm not in that state, and/or having difficulty remaining there long enough for my adjustments/entrainments, I often experience disappointment, self-irritation, and (occasionally) even anger at myself for not being at my best for my clients. The difficulty and challenge when one is open to the above, is in acceptance of total and complete responsibility for one's thoughts, limiting beliefs, and internal state - especially when working with clients. It is a (wonderful) yet at times challenging piece of work to be completely accountable. It certainly won't harm our patients to center ourselves, come from a place of unconditional love and acceptance, and hold the potential and suspension in our minds for limitless healing - before ever putting our hands on them. The only reason I would imagine there would be intrepidation about trying that simple exercise, would be in raising the accountability bar so much higher than a simple, mechanistic view of correcting or fixing something that's often seen as 'broken'. What if the subluxation IS the medicine? How do we facilitate our client to more perfectly digest it, with appropriate conscious awareness to the degree it calls for? Their innate wisdom has the key...we just have to KNOW it...and use a little WD-40 to help it along. Good to be here everyone - looking forward to more! And a big thank-you to Rod , DC - the one who first introduced me to Chiropractic over 18 years ago. Thank you Rod - I can't imagine what life would have been like without Chiropractic, this work, or this wonderful path and opportunity we have to support humanity to flourish... _________________________________ Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC Graceful Waves Chiropractic P.O. Box 53 Wheeler, OR 97147 Phone: (503) 374-9504 E-mail: dawnseakahrs@... "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi "Healing is the revealing of one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and child is contribution in humanity." -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC On Feb 8, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Charlie Caughlin wrote: > Okay les rather than quote someone else your thoughts? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > EFT > > > > > > Docs: > > Here is another short video on EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) that > explains it a little better > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQp0kA5a5OI & amp;NR=1 > > I was just curious if anyone has tried it and if it yielded material > results on a consistent basis. My skepticism of these kinds of > techniques stems from my days at WSCC when a fellow classmate, who had > studied directly under Goodheart, was student-teaching us AK > and began to venture off into the metaphysical by showing us that > someone standing at the other end of a long hall could influence the > muscle testing on another subject just by thinking negative thoughts > about them. That's when I lost interest in AK. When the attitude of > the examiner or someone else present in the room, such as a surrogate > (or even someone clear across the country), can influence the outcome > of your examination and/or treatment, I just can't seem to buy it and > wouldn't feel comfortable charging for it under the chiropractic > umbrella. > > Lyndon McGill, D.C. > Salem, Oregon > www.SalemSpineClinic.com <http://www.SalemSpineClinic.com> > Evolving Doctors <http://www.mcgillonline.com/Doctors> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > All posts must adhere to OregonDCs rules located on homepage at: > / > Tell a colleague about OregonDCs! (must be licensed Oregon DC) > Groups Links > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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