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While I can't speak directly on EFT, I can state WITHOUT DOUBT from

witnessing, experiencing, and (years) practicing that the internal

state of the doctor/practitioner/chiropractor IS a factor - in any kind

of interaction - and especially in a potential for healing that we have

the opportunity with as chiropractors.

There are certainly ways of adjusting (or even manipulating...) that

can decrease a person's physical symptom, at least temporarily,

resetting muscle spindle fibers, etc., without being very mindful of

one's thoughts or state. However, in the truly 'magical' adjustments,

entrainments, and life 'healing' that I have experienced or played a

role in, there was *always* some kind of connection, centered-ness, or

practice that the practitioner/doctor held, which created the space of

safety (yes, emotional safety) and therefore receptivity for the client

to be willing to connect within their bodymind on a much deeper,

sometimes profound level. From that place of connection within, almost

'magical' healing takes place. It is not 'easy' (due to our many

distractions, social media, negative mass conscious thoughts, & often

just lack of practice etc.), however, it can be simple.

As an example on 'state'. I've facilitated student/doctor practice

groups, most often in the context of Network Spinal Analysis.

Sometimes the volunteer student/doctor would lay down on the table, and

their respiration (spinal visual respiratory movement) would become

very shallow, as though their body was guarding/bracing as if prepared

for a (perhaps verbal) attack. I would then ask each person in the

focus group to put their hands on their chest/heart area and take a

breath in the nose, and out the mouth. Then bring love into their

heart. Empty their thoughts, and put their attention on serving the

person on the table. Invariably the 'patient' would then relax, start

'breathing' again, or sit up and share a more profound observation of

how they felt prior to this simple exercise, and after. This was

without ever 'touching' the patient at all.

The more attuned & clear our internal (i.e. nervous) system is, the

more perceptive (and receptive) our body can be to the subtle cues of

our environment. This includes subtle cues from the people around us,

and allows us to adapt to potential stressful situations, avoid or

transmute unnecessary conflict, make different choices on an

instinctual level, and (if our signal is strong enough - think Mother

, Gandi, Jesus, etc.), even help change the state of those around

and connected to us.

I find that when I've taken the time to do my inner work and practices,

my ability to hold the possibility of limitless potential in my heart

and mind creates some surprising and sometimes profound changes for

clients. I also find that when I'm not in that state, and/or having

difficulty remaining there long enough for my adjustments/entrainments,

I often experience disappointment, self-irritation, and (occasionally)

even anger at myself for not being at my best for my clients.

The difficulty and challenge when one is open to the above, is in

acceptance of total and complete responsibility for one's thoughts,

limiting beliefs, and internal state - especially when working with

clients. It is a (wonderful) yet at times challenging piece of work to

be completely accountable. It certainly won't harm our patients to

center ourselves, come from a place of unconditional love and

acceptance, and hold the potential and suspension in our minds for

limitless healing - before ever putting our hands on them. The only

reason I would imagine there would be intrepidation about trying that

simple exercise, would be in raising the accountability bar so much

higher than a simple, mechanistic view of correcting or fixing

something that's often seen as 'broken'.

What if the subluxation IS the medicine? How do we facilitate our

client to more perfectly digest it, with appropriate conscious

awareness to the degree it calls for? Their innate wisdom has the

key...we just have to KNOW it...and use a little WD-40 to help it

along. :)

Good to be here everyone - looking forward to more!

And a big thank-you to Rod , DC - the one who first introduced

me to Chiropractic over 18 years ago. Thank you Rod - I can't imagine

what life would have been like without Chiropractic, this work, or this

wonderful path and opportunity we have to support humanity to

flourish...

_________________________________

Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC

Graceful Waves Chiropractic

P.O. Box 53

Wheeler, OR 97147

Phone: (503) 374-9504

E-mail: dawnseakahrs@...

" Be the change you wish to see in the world. " -Mahatma Gandhi

" Healing is the revealing of one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and

child is contribution in humanity. " -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC

On Feb 8, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Charlie Caughlin wrote:

> Okay les rather than quote someone else your thoughts?

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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> Here is another short video on EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) that

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQp0kA5a5OI & amp;NR=1

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> I was just curious if anyone has tried it and if it yielded material

> results on a consistent basis. My skepticism of these kinds of

> techniques stems from my days at WSCC when a fellow classmate, who had

> studied directly under Goodheart, was student-teaching us AK

> and began to venture off into the metaphysical by showing us that

> someone standing at the other end of a long hall could influence the

> muscle testing on another subject just by thinking negative thoughts

> about them. That's when I lost interest in AK. When the attitude of

> the examiner or someone else present in the room, such as a surrogate

> (or even someone clear across the country), can influence the outcome

> of your examination and/or treatment, I just can't seem to buy it and

> wouldn't feel comfortable charging for it under the chiropractic

> umbrella.

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> Lyndon McGill, D.C.

> Salem, Oregon

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Docs:

WARNING: This post is rather lengthy, so if you don't have the time

to devote to it, get back to work and do whatever it is you do to

justify taking people's money.

:-)

My purpose for the post on EFT was twofold: to reinforce my point in

a previous post that our biggest obstacle as a profession is

defining who we are and what we do; and, secondly, admittedly, to

weed out who I would comfortably refer to around the state, since on

more than one occasion I have had a patient call me up after a

referral asking for an alternate, stating that the one I referred

them to was a little too "weird."

While we're not the only profession with a spattering of "weirdos"

(and I realize that the diagnosis of "weirdo" is predicated on the

biases of the diagnostician), we do have enough practitioners

utilizing, shall I say, "unconventional" methods of diagnosis and

treatment to hinder our "acceptance" into "mainstream" healthcare.

This has been the case since our inception and will never change. To

think that we as an association here in Oregon are going to unite

the profession and achieve financial/third-party parity with the

medical profession is a pipe dream. Some inroads may be achieved;

however, full acceptance is destined to be undermined by individuals

who engage in "unscientific" and unproven diagnostic/treatment

methods, such as the intern at WSCC who used to place the patient

prone on the table then extract a crystal on a string from his

pocket, suspend it over the patient's spine and adjust them

according to the pendulum swing of the crystal. If full parity ever

does occur, I don't think we'll be alive to see it.

Of course, if we're not interested in third party pay, then

unbridled diversity is acceptable and will be financed by a gullible

segment of the population who have made charlatanism a profitable

venture for centuries. Just keep in mind that the person doing the

diagnosing probably has a "cure" to sell, and the "cure" often

determines the diagnosis.

For those who practice any of the "X"FT's, correct me if I'm wrong,

but the ultimate goal is to "clear" the patient of all interference

so that "innate" (or whatever you wish to label it) can fully

express itself and the patient leaves feeling good about themselves

and your tratment. However, this best of intentions is soon

undermined by your receptionist's effort to collect money from them,

or, when they get home, their husband's tirade over what your

"miracle" treatment is costing "him." Maybe we should just put a

collection box in our reception areas and let people donate whatever

they feel is appropriate for the care they are getting. I think some

DE docs tried this a few years ago but it didn't seem to catch on.

It would, however, help to mitigate any negative effect your fees

might have on your treatment outcomes. We could even take it one

step farther and be totally altruistic, treating everyone for free,

just like Jesus and doctors on mission trips have done. Should I win

the lottery, that's what I intend to do. Free chiropractic care for

everyone---even illegal aliens! Besides, if what I have to offer

people is truly a priceless gift from the gods, then who am I to put

a bounty on it? That only trivializes and carnalizes it.

Finally, I would like to propose a definition of chiropractic that I

think we can all live with. Certainly not one that Medicare and

third-party payors will accept, but certainly one we can all rally

around as a profession: CHIROPRACTIC IS ANYTHING THAT UNITES MAN

WITH THE DIVINE. That leaves room for everyone. Our only task now is

to decide who gets to determine which techniques effectively

achieve that objective.

Constantly Evolv-ing,

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

Evolving Doctors

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Dr. McGill,I can appreciate your passion for what we have all been trained to do, but beg to differ about your view of the profession as too diverse to enjoy an even health care playing field. Chiropractic's strength is in our unique history of drawing on Nature's mysteries with the eye of the scientist. Our common creative free-will continues to reveal connections, relationships, patterns, perceptions, practices and so on uniquely. Nonetheless, we are united by the scientific process of our training. It is specifically our Nature-based orientation to health that is our real potency, as unique individuals apply the scientific process.Les suggested correctly that it is the quality of the interface with the individual that allows our scientific eyes to share evidence collectively. It's anachronistic to consider humanity uniformly mechanical enough to respond to anonymous taps on the body for corrections. By combining a positive visualization with the tapping, the science of Herbert Benson's relaxation response (intentional visualization) initiates parasympathetica and it's attendant benefits. When we are able to bring science forward from our individual investigations of life, the profession advances science. With Nature as chiropractic's field of reference, we've drawn practitioners as diverse as Nature itself. Chiropractic is stronger for it; and we all stronger because of chiropractic. Let's look toward what is best for our patients (and ourselves), rather than what is required to qualify for third-party pay. The obstacle that could hinder us is failing to respect our different ways of investigating life and providing compassionate care. We don't have to understand or appreciate what others may be doing, but we can respect our mutual training and Nature-based orientation. By trusting in our capacity as trained scientists, we achieve a unity even within our diversity, and Nature is our best example of diversity working in seamless beauty and grace. Thanks for your thoughtful post. Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Feb 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote: Docs: WARNING: This post is rather lengthy, so if you don't have the time to devote to it, get back to work and do whatever it is you do to justify taking people's money. :-) My purpose for the post on EFT was twofold: to reinforce my point in a previous post that our biggest obstacle as a profession is defining who we are and what we do; and, secondly, admittedly, to weed out who I would comfortably refer to around the state, since on more than one occasion I have had a patient call me up after a referral asking for an alternate, stating that the one I referred them to was a little too "weird." While we're not the only profession with a spattering of "weirdos" (and I realize that the diagnosis of "weirdo" is predicated on the biases of the diagnostician), we do have enough practitioners utilizing, shall I say, "unconventional" methods of diagnosis and treatment to hinder our "acceptance" into "mainstream" healthcare. This has been the case since our inception and will never change. To think that we as an association here in Oregon are going to unite the profession and achieve financial/third-party parity with the medical profession is a pipe dream. Some inroads may be achieved; however, full acceptance is destined to be undermined by individuals who engage in "unscientific" and unproven diagnostic/treatment methods, such as the intern at WSCC who used to place the patient prone on the table then extract a crystal on a string from his pocket, suspend it over the patient's spine and adjust them according to the pendulum swing of the crystal. If full parity ever does occur, I don't think we'll be alive to see it. Of course, if we're not interested in third party pay, then unbridled diversity is acceptable and will be financed by a gullible segment of the population who have made charlatanism a profitable venture for centuries. Just keep in mind that the person doing the diagnosing probably has a "cure" to sell, and the "cure" often determines the diagnosis. For those who practice any of the "X"FT's, correct me if I'm wrong, but the ultimate goal is to "clear" the patient of all interference so that "innate" (or whatever you wish to label it) can fully express itself and the patient leaves feeling good about themselves and your tratment. However, this best of intentions is soon undermined by your receptionist's effort to collect money from them, or, when they get home, their husband's tirade over what your "miracle" treatment is costing "him." Maybe we should just put a collection box in our reception areas and let people donate whatever they feel is appropriate for the care they are getting. I think some DE docs tried this a few years ago but it didn't seem to catch on. It would, however, help to mitigate any negative effect your fees might have on your treatment outcomes. We could even take it one step farther and be totally altruistic, treating everyone for free, just like Jesus and doctors on mission trips have done. Should I win the lottery, that's what I intend to do. Free chiropractic care for everyone---even illegal aliens! Besides, if what I have to offer people is truly a priceless gift from the gods, then who am I to put a bounty on it? That only trivializes and carnalizes it. Finally, I would like to propose a definition of chiropractic that I think we can all live with. Certainly not one that Medicare and third-party payors will accept, but certainly one we can all rally around as a profession: CHIROPRACTIC IS ANYTHING THAT UNITES MAN WITH THE DIVINE. That leaves room for everyone. Our only task now is to decide who gets to determine which techniques effectively achieve that objective. Constantly Evolv-ing, Lyndon McGill, D.C. Salem, Oregon www.SalemSpineClinic.com Evolving Doctors

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What might resolve this issue is to create an entirely separate

degree program for those who practice anything not taught in

chiropractic colleges. One could attain the degree of say D.E.M.

(Doctor of Energy Medicine or Doctor of Eclectic Medicine). This

would allow the metaphysical practitioners to come out of the closet

and practice openly without casting a shadow on mainstream

chiropractic. This would also help to eliminate the current

confusion consumers have about what is truly chiropractic and what

would be better classified as metaphysics. I don't think there would

be any difficulty attracting students to such a program. In fact, it

might actually outpace chiropractic. The real benefit is that it

would legitimize those who currently practice energy medicine

without a license and allow for billing under the appropriate

category instead of under the guise of "chiropractic."

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

Evolving

Doctors

On 2/9/2011 5:10 PM, Sears wrote:

 

Dr. McGill,

I can appreciate your passion for what we have all been

trained to do, but beg to differ about your view of the

profession as too diverse to enjoy an even health care

playing field.  Chiropractic's strength is in our unique

history of drawing on Nature's mysteries with the eye of

the scientist.   Our common creative free-will continues

to reveal connections, relationships, patterns,

perceptions, practices and so on uniquely.  Nonetheless,

we are united by the scientific process of our training.

 It is specifically our Nature-based orientation to health

that is our real potency, as unique individuals apply the

scientific process.

Les suggested correctly that it is the quality of the

interface with the individual that allows our scientific

eyes to share evidence collectively.  It's anachronistic

to consider humanity uniformly mechanical enough to

respond to anonymous taps on the body for corrections.  By

combining a positive visualization with the tapping, the

science of Herbert Benson's relaxation response

(intentional visualization) initiates parasympathetica and

it's attendant benefits.  When we are able to bring

science forward from our individual investigations of

life, the profession advances science.  With Nature as

chiropractic's field of reference, we've drawn

practitioners as diverse as Nature itself.  Chiropractic

is stronger for it; and we all stronger because of

chiropractic.  Let's look toward what is best for our

patients (and ourselves), rather than what is required to

qualify for third-party pay.  

The obstacle that could hinder us is failing to respect

our different ways of investigating life and providing

compassionate care.  We don't have to understand or

appreciate what others may be doing, but we can respect

our mutual training and Nature-based orientation.  By

trusting in our capacity as trained scientists, we achieve

a unity even within our diversity, and Nature is our best

example of diversity working in seamless beauty and grace.

 

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

Sears, DC, IAYT

1218 NW 21st Ave

Portland, Oregon 97209

v: 503-225-0255

f: 503-525-6902

www.docbones.com

On Feb 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:

 

Docs:

WARNING:  This post is rather lengthy, so if you

don't have the time to devote to it, get back to

work and do whatever it is you do to justify

taking people's money. :-)

My purpose for the post on EFT was twofold: to

reinforce my point in a previous post that our

biggest obstacle as a profession is defining who

we are and what we do; and, secondly, admittedly,

to weed out who I would comfortably refer to

around the state, since on more than one occasion

I have had a patient call me up after a referral

asking for an alternate, stating that the one I

referred them to was a little too "weird."

While we're not the only profession with a

spattering of "weirdos" (and I realize that the

diagnosis of "weirdo" is predicated on the biases

of the diagnostician), we do have enough

practitioners utilizing, shall I say,

"unconventional" methods of diagnosis and

treatment to hinder our "acceptance" into

"mainstream" healthcare. This has been the case

since our inception and will never change. To

think that we as an association here in Oregon are

going to unite the profession and achieve

financial/third-party parity with the medical

profession is a pipe dream. Some inroads may be

achieved; however, full acceptance is destined to

be undermined by individuals who engage in

"unscientific" and unproven diagnostic/treatment

methods, such as the intern at WSCC who used to

place the patient prone on the table then extract

a crystal on a string from his pocket, suspend it

over the patient's spine and adjust them according

to the pendulum swing of the crystal. If full

parity ever does occur, I don't think we'll be

alive to see it.

Of course, if we're not interested in third party

pay, then unbridled diversity is acceptable and

will be financed by a gullible segment of the

population who have made charlatanism a profitable

venture for centuries. Just keep in mind that the

person doing the diagnosing probably has a "cure"

to sell, and the "cure" often determines the

diagnosis.

For those who practice any of the "X"FT's, correct

me if I'm wrong, but the ultimate goal is to

"clear" the patient of all interference so that

"innate" (or whatever you wish to label it) can

fully express itself and the patient leaves

feeling good about themselves and your tratment.

However, this best of intentions is soon

undermined by your receptionist's effort to

collect money from them, or, when they get home,

their husband's tirade over what your "miracle"

treatment is costing "him." Maybe we should just

put a collection box in our reception areas and

let people donate whatever they feel is

appropriate for the care they are getting. I think

some DE docs tried this a few years ago but it

didn't seem to catch on. It would, however, help

to mitigate any negative effect your fees might

have on your treatment outcomes. We could even

take it one step farther and be totally

altruistic, treating everyone for free, just like

Jesus and doctors on mission trips have done.

Should I win the lottery, that's what I intend to

do. Free chiropractic care for everyone---even

illegal aliens! Besides, if what I have to offer

people is truly a priceless gift from the gods,

then who am I to put a bounty on it? That only

trivializes and carnalizes it.

Finally, I would like to propose a definition of

chiropractic that I think we can all live with.

Certainly not one that Medicare and third-party

payors will accept, but certainly one we can all

rally around as a profession:  CHIROPRACTIC IS

ANYTHING THAT UNITES MAN WITH THE DIVINE. That

leaves room for everyone. Our only task now is to

decide who gets to determine which techniques 

effectively achieve that objective.

Constantly Evolv-ing,

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

Evolving

Doctors

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Dear Lyndon,

Is it not possible for a skilled " Gonstead " doctor to, when adjusting,

enter an internal state of peace and unconditional love, and thus

allow for a more profound adjustment? (Anyone familiar with Lou

Corleto, DC?) If so, does that deem him an " energy medicine " fanatic,

incapable of sharing the title " Doctor of Chiropractic " ? Does it also

preclude him from being responsible to the patient, neglecting to use

outcome based measurements (both objective and subjective), and being

accountable to his patients AND the good name of the profession -

simply because he is conscious of his 'energy' while using a technique

we are all (hopefully) familiar with?

Conversely, if one attempts to break down every minute detail of the

science, art, and philosophy of the chiropractic adjustment, you end up

focussing on a body, but leaving out the soul. I would suggest,

though, that we didn't become chiropractors to adjust corpses...

Therefore we are left with the challenge of creating a balance between

enough study/research/wellness outcome assessments, yet not getting

lost in minutia so that we miss the boat, so to speak, in headiness...

I would like to see for our profession unity, which (agreeing with

) means strength in our diversity, yet uniting from our

knowledge and study of the science, art, and philosophy of natural

healing, through enhancing the power and connection with our innate

wisdom. The vehicle of choice (technique) is going to look different,

of course. That brings its challenges in pt. education for the dr.,

but overall I think it's still good to be somewhat diverse in our

specialties. If we all drove blue Tauruses, lived in blue houses, rode

blue bicycles, the world would be very...blue. (Bring on the rainbows,

I say! :)

One last thought...

There is something that Donny Epstein teaches called the Triad of

Change. It involves an awareness of the relationship between

Structure, Behavior, and Perception. At different times, we are called

to make changes in one or more of these areas, to create a more

favorable outcome for an area in our life that must change. One could,

as an experiment, keep their " structure " - i.e. 'technique', but change

their " behavior " (or state of being WHILE applying their technique),

and observe if that changes the Perception of the patient (or for that

matter, the doctor as well). There would have to be a sincere

willingness to allow for a different and unexpected outcome. For

instance, many docs would be startled if their patient started crying

during or after an adjustment. However, someone familiar with

emotional or energetic release would likely realize that crying (or

laughing) are just forms of release. And the relaxation and peace

following such as that can be astounding...

-Dawn

p.s. Oh, and Lyndon - I don't know if you're aware, but even more than

5 years ago techniques which could be termed 'energetic' and perhaps

even 'metaphysical' were and ARE being taught in Chiropractic Colleges

as both required and elected classes. Life Chiropractic College has

repeatedly offered introductory courses in Network Spinal Analysis (for

example), and while at LCCW, I took B.E.S.T. (Bio Energetic

Synchronization Technique) - which I thought was even more esoteric/odd

(no offense anyone - it works great too :) than NSA! I realize many

Docs in Oregon attended Western States, but from my understanding, WSCC

actual technique offerings/study are not as diverse as many other

accredited schools across the nation.

_________________________________

Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC

Graceful Waves Chiropractic

P.O. Box 53

Wheeler, OR 97147

Phone: (503) 374-9504

E-mail: dawnseakahrs@...

" Be the change you wish to see in the world. " -Mahatma Gandhi

" Healing is the revealing of one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and

child is contribution in humanity. " -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC

On Feb 9, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:

> :

>

> What might resolve this issue is to create an entirely separate

> degree program for those who practice anything not taught in

> chiropractic colleges. One could attain the degree of say D.E.M.

> (Doctor of Energy Medicine or Doctor of Eclectic Medicine). This

> would allow the metaphysical practitioners to come out of the closet

> and practice openly without casting a shadow on mainstream

> chiropractic. This would also help to eliminate the current confusion

> consumers have about what is truly chiropractic and what would be

> better classified as metaphysics. I don't think there would be any

> difficulty attracting students to such a program. In fact, it might

> actually outpace chiropractic. The real benefit is that it would

> legitimize those who currently practice energy medicine without a

> license and allow for billing under the appropriate category instead

> of under the guise of " chiropractic. "

>

> Lyndon McGill, D.C.

> Salem, Oregon

> www.SalemSpineClinic.com

> Evolving Doctors

>

>

>

>

> On 2/9/2011 5:10 PM, Sears wrote: 

>>

>> Dr. McGill,

>>

>> I can appreciate your passion for what we have all been trained to

>> do, but beg to differ about your view of the profession as too

>> diverse to enjoy an even health care playing field.  Chiropractic's

>> strength is in our unique history of drawing on Nature's mysteries

>> with the eye of the scientist.   Our common creative free-will

>> continues to reveal connections, relationships, patterns,

>> perceptions, practices and so on uniquely.  Nonetheless, we are

>> united by the scientific process of our training.  It is specifically

>> our Nature-based orientation to health that is our real potency, as

>> unique individuals apply the scientific process.

>>

>> Les suggested correctly that it is the quality of the interface with

>> the individual that allows our scientific eyes to share evidence

>> collectively.  It's anachronistic to consider humanity uniformly

>> mechanical enough to respond to anonymous taps on the body for

>> corrections.  By combining a positive visualization with the tapping,

>> the science of Herbert Benson's relaxation response (intentional

>> visualization) initiates parasympathetica and it's attendant

>> benefits.  When we are able to bring science forward from our

>> individual investigations of life, the profession advances science.

>>  With Nature as chiropractic's field of reference, we've drawn

>> practitioners as diverse as Nature itself.  Chiropractic is stronger

>> for it; and we all stronger because of chiropractic.  Let's look

>> toward what is best for our patients (and ourselves), rather than

>> what is required to qualify for third-party pay.  

>>

>> The obstacle that could hinder us is failing to respect our

>> different ways of investigating life and providing compassionate

>> care.  We don't have to understand or appreciate what others may be

>> doing, but we can respect our mutual training and Nature-based

>> orientation.  By trusting in our capacity as trained scientists, we

>> achieve a unity even within our diversity, and Nature is our best

>> example of diversity working in seamless beauty and grace.  

>>

>> Thanks for your thoughtful post.

>>

>> Sears, DC, IAYT

>> 1218 NW 21st Ave

>> Portland, Oregon 97209

>> v: 503-225-0255

>> f: 503-525-6902

>> www.docbones.com

>>

>> On Feb 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:

>>

>>>  

>>>

>>> Docs:

>>>

>>> WARNING:  This post is rather lengthy, so if you don't have the

>>> time to devote to it, get back to work and do whatever it is you do

>>> to justify taking people's money. :-)

>>>

>>> My purpose for the post on EFT was twofold: to reinforce my point

>>> in a previous post that our biggest obstacle as a profession is

>>> defining who we are and what we do; and, secondly, admittedly, to

>>> weed out who I would comfortably refer to around the state, since on

>>> more than one occasion I have had a patient call me up after a

>>> referral asking for an alternate, stating that the one I referred

>>> them to was a little too " weird. "

>>>

>>> While we're not the only profession with a spattering of " weirdos "

>>> (and I realize that the diagnosis of " weirdo " is predicated on the

>>> biases of the diagnostician), we do have enough practitioners

>>> utilizing, shall I say, " unconventional " methods of diagnosis and

>>> treatment to hinder our " acceptance " into " mainstream " healthcare.

>>> This has been the case since our inception and will never change.

>>> To think that we as an association here in Oregon are going to

>>> unite the profession and achieve financial/third-party parity with

>>> the medical profession is a pipe dream. Some inroads may be

>>> achieved; however, full acceptance is destined to be undermined by

>>> individuals who engage in " unscientific " and unproven

>>> diagnostic/treatment methods, such as the intern at WSCC who used to

>>> place the patient prone on the table then extract a crystal on a

>>> string from his pocket, suspend it over the patient's spine and

>>> adjust them according to the pendulum swing of the crystal. If full

>>> parity ever does occur, I don't think we'll be alive to see it.

>>>

>>> Of course, if we're not interested in third party pay, then

>>> unbridled diversity is acceptable and will be financed by a

>>> gullible segment of the population who have made charlatanism a

>>> profitable venture for centuries. Just keep in mind that the person

>>> doing the diagnosing probably has a " cure " to sell, and the " cure "

>>> often determines the diagnosis.

>>>

>>> For those who practice any of the " X " FT's, correct me if I'm

>>> wrong, but the ultimate goal is to " clear " the patient of all

>>> interference so that " innate " (or whatever you wish to label it) can

>>> fully express itself and the patient leaves feeling good about

>>> themselves and your tratment. However, this best of intentions is

>>> soon undermined by your receptionist's effort to collect money from

>>> them, or, when they get home, their husband's tirade over what your

>>> " miracle " treatment is costing " him. " Maybe we should just put a

>>> collection box in our reception areas and let people donate whatever

>>> they feel is appropriate for the care they are getting. I think some

>>> DE docs tried this a few years ago but it didn't seem to catch on.

>>> It would, however, help to mitigate any negative effect your fees

>>> might have on your treatment outcomes. We could even take it one

>>> step farther and be totally altruistic, treating everyone for free,

>>> just like Jesus and doctors on mission trips have done. Should I win

>>> the lottery, that's what I intend to do. Free chiropractic care for

>>> everyone---even illegal aliens! Besides, if what I have to offer

>>> people is truly a priceless gift from the gods, then who am I to put

>>> a bounty on it? That only trivializes and carnalizes it.

>>>

>>> Finally, I would like to propose a definition of chiropractic that

>>> I think we can all live with. Certainly not one that Medicare and

>>> third-party payors will accept, but certainly one we can all rally

>>> around as a profession:  CHIROPRACTIC IS ANYTHING THAT UNITES MAN

>>> WITH THE DIVINE. That leaves room for everyone. Our only task now is

>>> to decide who gets to determine which techniques  effectively

>>> achieve that objective.

>>>

>>> Constantly Evolv-ing,

>>>

>>> Lyndon McGill, D.C.

>>> Salem, Oregon

>>> www.SalemSpineClinic.com

>>> Evolving Doctors

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

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Having read Lyndon's recent writings about forming an energy medicine degree

instead of a chiropractic degree reminds me of a quote I stated on this board

about 2 weeks ago. It was a quote from

either B. J. Or D. D. (I think B.J.) That is the real purpose of Chiropractic is

to unite man the physical with man the spiritual.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: EFT / State of Being...

Dear Lyndon,

Is it not possible for a skilled " Gonstead " doctor to, when adjusting,

enter an internal state of peace and unconditional love, and thus

allow for a more profound adjustment? (Anyone familiar with Lou

Corleto, DC?) If so, does that deem him an " energy medicine " fanatic,

incapable of sharing the title " Doctor of Chiropractic " ? Does it also

preclude him from being responsible to the patient, neglecting to use

outcome based measurements (both objective and subjective), and being

accountable to his patients AND the good name of the profession -

simply because he is conscious of his 'energy' while using a technique

we are all (hopefully) familiar with?

Conversely, if one attempts to break down every minute detail of the

science, art, and philosophy of the chiropractic adjustment, you end up

focussing on a body, but leaving out the soul. I would suggest,

though, that we didn't become chiropractors to adjust corpses...

Therefore we are left with the challenge of creating a balance between

enough study/research/wellness outcome assessments, yet not getting

lost in minutia so that we miss the boat, so to speak, in headiness...

I would like to see for our profession unity, which (agreeing with

) means strength in our diversity, yet uniting from our

knowledge and study of the science, art, and philosophy of natural

healing, through enhancing the power and connection with our innate

wisdom. The vehicle of choice (technique) is going to look different,

of course. That brings its challenges in pt. education for the dr.,

but overall I think it's still good to be somewhat diverse in our

specialties. If we all drove blue Tauruses, lived in blue houses, rode

blue bicycles, the world would be very...blue. (Bring on the rainbows,

I say! :)

One last thought...

There is something that Donny Epstein teaches called the Triad of

Change. It involves an awareness of the relationship between

Structure, Behavior, and Perception. At different times, we are called

to make changes in one or more of these areas, to create a more

favorable outcome for an area in our life that must change. One could,

as an experiment, keep their " structure " - i.e. 'technique', but change

their " behavior " (or state of being WHILE applying their technique),

and observe if that changes the Perception of the patient (or for that

matter, the doctor as well). There would have to be a sincere

willingness to allow for a different and unexpected outcome. For

instance, many docs would be startled if their patient started crying

during or after an adjustment. However, someone familiar with

emotional or energetic release would likely realize that crying (or

laughing) are just forms of release. And the relaxation and peace

following such as that can be astounding...

-Dawn

p.s. Oh, and Lyndon - I don't know if you're aware, but even more than

5 years ago techniques which could be termed 'energetic' and perhaps

even 'metaphysical' were and ARE being taught in Chiropractic Colleges

as both required and elected classes. Life Chiropractic College has

repeatedly offered introductory courses in Network Spinal Analysis (for

example), and while at LCCW, I took B.E.S.T. (Bio Energetic

Synchronization Technique) - which I thought was even more esoteric/odd

(no offense anyone - it works great too :) than NSA! I realize many

Docs in Oregon attended Western States, but from my understanding, WSCC

actual technique offerings/study are not as diverse as many other

accredited schools across the nation.

_________________________________

Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC

Graceful Waves Chiropractic

P.O. Box 53

Wheeler, OR 97147

Phone: (503) 374-9504

E-mail: dawnseakahrs@...

" Be the change you wish to see in the world. " -Mahatma Gandhi

" Healing is the revealing of one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and

child is contribution in humanity. " -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DC

On Feb 9, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:

> :

>

> What might resolve this issue is to create an entirely separate

> degree program for those who practice anything not taught in

> chiropractic colleges. One could attain the degree of say D.E.M.

> (Doctor of Energy Medicine or Doctor of Eclectic Medicine). This

> would allow the metaphysical practitioners to come out of the closet

> and practice openly without casting a shadow on mainstream

> chiropractic. This would also help to eliminate the current confusion

> consumers have about what is truly chiropractic and what would be

> better classified as metaphysics. I don't think there would be any

> difficulty attracting students to such a program. In fact, it might

> actually outpace chiropractic. The real benefit is that it would

> legitimize those who currently practice energy medicine without a

> license and allow for billing under the appropriate category instead

> of under the guise of " chiropractic. "

>

> Lyndon McGill, D.C.

> Salem, Oregon

> www.SalemSpineClinic.com

> Evolving Doctors

>

>

>

>

> On 2/9/2011 5:10 PM, Sears wrote: 

>>

>> Dr. McGill,

>>

>> I can appreciate your passion for what we have all been trained to

>> do, but beg to differ about your view of the profession as too

>> diverse to enjoy an even health care playing field.  Chiropractic's

>> strength is in our unique history of drawing on Nature's mysteries

>> with the eye of the scientist.   Our common creative free-will

>> continues to reveal connections, relationships, patterns,

>> perceptions, practices and so on uniquely.  Nonetheless, we are

>> united by the scientific process of our training.  It is specifically

>> our Nature-based orientation to health that is our real potency, as

>> unique individuals apply the scientific process.

>>

>> Les suggested correctly that it is the quality of the interface with

>> the individual that allows our scientific eyes to share evidence

>> collectively.  It's anachronistic to consider humanity uniformly

>> mechanical enough to respond to anonymous taps on the body for

>> corrections.  By combining a positive visualization with the tapping,

>> the science of Herbert Benson's relaxation response (intentional

>> visualization) initiates parasympathetica and it's attendant

>> benefits.  When we are able to bring science forward from our

>> individual investigations of life, the profession advances science.

>>  With Nature as chiropractic's field of reference, we've drawn

>> practitioners as diverse as Nature itself.  Chiropractic is stronger

>> for it; and we all stronger because of chiropractic.  Let's look

>> toward what is best for our patients (and ourselves), rather than

>> what is required to qualify for third-party pay.  

>>

>> The obstacle that could hinder us is failing to respect our

>> different ways of investigating life and providing compassionate

>> care.  We don't have to understand or appreciate what others may be

>> doing, but we can respect our mutual training and Nature-based

>> orientation.  By trusting in our capacity as trained scientists, we

>> achieve a unity even within our diversity, and Nature is our best

>> example of diversity working in seamless beauty and grace.  

>>

>> Thanks for your thoughtful post.

>>

>> Sears, DC, IAYT

>> 1218 NW 21st Ave

>> Portland, Oregon 97209

>> v: 503-225-0255

>> f: 503-525-6902

>> www.docbones.com

>>

>> On Feb 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:

>>

>>>  

>>>

>>> Docs:

>>>

>>> WARNING:  This post is rather lengthy, so if you don't have the

>>> time to devote to it, get back to work and do whatever it is you do

>>> to justify taking people's money. :-)

>>>

>>> My purpose for the post on EFT was twofold: to reinforce my point

>>> in a previous post that our biggest obstacle as a profession is

>>> defining who we are and what we do; and, secondly, admittedly, to

>>> weed out who I would comfortably refer to around the state, since on

>>> more than one occasion I have had a patient call me up after a

>>> referral asking for an alternate, stating that the one I referred

>>> them to was a little too " weird. "

>>>

>>> While we're not the only profession with a spattering of " weirdos "

>>> (and I realize that the diagnosis of " weirdo " is predicated on the

>>> biases of the diagnostician), we do have enough practitioners

>>> utilizing, shall I say, " unconventional " methods of diagnosis and

>>> treatment to hinder our " acceptance " into " mainstream " healthcare.

>>> This has been the case since our inception and will never change.

>>> To think that we as an association here in Oregon are going to

>>> unite the profession and achieve financial/third-party parity with

>>> the medical profession is a pipe dream. Some inroads may be

>>> achieved; however, full acceptance is destined to be undermined by

>>> individuals who engage in " unscientific " and unproven

>>> diagnostic/treatment methods, such as the intern at WSCC who used to

>>> place the patient prone on the table then extract a crystal on a

>>> string from his pocket, suspend it over the patient's spine and

>>> adjust them according to the pendulum swing of the crystal. If full

>>> parity ever does occur, I don't think we'll be alive to see it.

>>>

>>> Of course, if we're not interested in third party pay, then

>>> unbridled diversity is acceptable and will be financed by a

>>> gullible segment of the population who have made charlatanism a

>>> profitable venture for centuries. Just keep in mind that the person

>>> doing the diagnosing probably has a " cure " to sell, and the " cure "

>>> often determines the diagnosis.

>>>

>>> For those who practice any of the " X " FT's, correct me if I'm

>>> wrong, but the ultimate goal is to " clear " the patient of all

>>> interference so that " innate " (or whatever you wish to label it) can

>>> fully express itself and the patient leaves feeling good about

>>> themselves and your tratment. However, this best of intentions is

>>> soon undermined by your receptionist's effort to collect money from

>>> them, or, when they get home, their husband's tirade over what your

>>> " miracle " treatment is costing " him. " Maybe we should just put a

>>> collection box in our reception areas and let people donate whatever

>>> they feel is appropriate for the care they are getting. I think some

>>> DE docs tried this a few years ago but it didn't seem to catch on.

>>> It would, however, help to mitigate any negative effect your fees

>>> might have on your treatment outcomes. We could even take it one

>>> step farther and be totally altruistic, treating everyone for free,

>>> just like Jesus and doctors on mission trips have done. Should I win

>>> the lottery, that's what I intend to do. Free chiropractic care for

>>> everyone---even illegal aliens! Besides, if what I have to offer

>>> people is truly a priceless gift from the gods, then who am I to put

>>> a bounty on it? That only trivializes and carnalizes it.

>>>

>>> Finally, I would like to propose a definition of chiropractic that

>>> I think we can all live with. Certainly not one that Medicare and

>>> third-party payors will accept, but certainly one we can all rally

>>> around as a profession:  CHIROPRACTIC IS ANYTHING THAT UNITES MAN

>>> WITH THE DIVINE. That leaves room for everyone. Our only task now is

>>> to decide who gets to determine which techniques  effectively

>>> achieve that objective.

>>>

>>> Constantly Evolv-ing,

>>>

>>> Lyndon McGill, D.C.

>>> Salem, Oregon

>>> www.SalemSpineClinic.com

>>> Evolving Doctors

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Dawn:

I just

think we're compromising our credibility with the public and

other healthcare professionals when we allow these

metaphysical therapies to be practiced under the

chiropractic umbrella and to be billed as such.

Imagine being a juror on a PI case when the defense attorney

asks the patient to describe their chiropractic treatment

and the doctor primarily used a metaphysical technique. Very

few jurors would award payment for the plaintiff's care or

future care after hearing it described as an attempt to

unite man the physical with man the spiritual. They will be

thinking: " Chiropractors sure are a bunch of quacks! "

Once a particular therapy has been scientifically proven to

be eficatious, then we can allow it into the chiropractic

fold. Now that chiropractic has been validated, we have the

right to demand that anything practiced under its banner

must also be validated.

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

www.EvolvingDaily.com

> Having read Lyndon's recent writings about forming an

> energy medicine degree instead of a chiropractic degree

> reminds me of a quote I stated on this board about 2 weeks

> ago. It was a

> quote from either B. J. Or D. D. (I think B.J.) That is

> the real purpose of Chiropractic is to unite man the

> physical with man the spiritual. Sent via BlackBerry by

> AT & T Re:

> EFT / State of Being...Dear Lyndon,Is it not possible for

> a skilled " Gonstead " doctor to, when adjusting, enter an

> internal state of peace and unconditional love, and thus

> allow for a more profound adjustment? (Anyone familiar

> with Lou Corleto, DC?) If so, does that deem him an

> " energy medicine " fanatic, incapable of sharing the title

> " Doctor of Chiropractic " ? Does it also preclude him from

> being responsible to the patient, neglecting to use

> outcome based measurements (both objective and subjective)

> , and being accountable to his patients AND the good name

> of the profession - simply because he is conscious of his

> 'energy' while using a technique we are all (hopefully)

> familiar with?Conversely, if one attempts to break down

> every minute detail of the science, art, and philosophy of

> the chiropractic adjustment, you end up focussing on a

> body, but leaving out the soul. I would suggest, though,

> that we didn't become chiropractors to adjust

> corpses...Therefore we are left with the challenge of

> creating a balance between enough study/research/wellness

> outcome assessments, yet not getting lost in minutia so

> that we miss the boat, so to speak, in headiness...I would

> like to see for our profession unity, which (agreeing with

> ) means strength in our diversity, yet uniting from

> our knowledge and study of the science, art, and

> philosophy of natural healing, through enhancing the power

> and connectio n with our innate wisdom. The vehicle of

> choice (technique) is going to look different, of course.

> That brings its challenges in pt. education for the dr.,

> but overall I think it's still good to be somewhat diverse

> in our specialties. If we all drove blue Tauruses, lived

> in blue houses, rode blue bicycles, the world would be

> very...blue. (Bring on the rainbows, I say! :)One last

> thought...There is something that Donny Epstein teaches

> called the Triad of Change. It involves an awareness of

> the relationship between Structure, Behavior, and

> Perception. At different times, we are called to make

> changes in one or more of these areas, to create a more

> favorable outcome for an area in our life that must

> change. One could, as an experiment, keep their

> " structure " - i.e. 'technique', but change their

> " behavior " (or state of being WHILE applying their

> technique), and observe if that changes the Perception of

> the patient (or for that matter, the doctor as well).

> There would have to be a sincere willingness to

> allow for a different and unexpected outcome. For

> instance, many docs would be startled if their patient

> started crying during or after an adjustment. However,

> someone familiar with emotional or energetic release would

> likely realize that crying (or laughing) are just forms of

> release. And the relaxation and peace following such as

> that can be astounding...-Dawnp.s. Oh, and Lyndon - I

> don't know if you're aware, but even more than 5 years ago

> techniques which could be termed 'energetic' and perhaps

> even 'metaphysical' were and ARE being taught in

> Chiropractic Colleges as both required and elected

> classes. Life Chiropractic College has repeatedly offered

> introductory courses in Network Spinal Analysis (for

> example), and while at LCCW, I took B.E.S.T. (Bio

> Energetic Synchronization Technique) - which I thought was

> even more esoteric/odd (no offense anyone - it works great

> too :) than NSA! I realize many Docs in Oregon attended

> Western States, but from my understanding, WSCC actual

> technique offerings/ study are not as diverse as many

> other accredited schools across the

> nation._________________________________Dr. Dawn Sea Kahrs

> , DCGraceful Waves ChiropracticP.O. Box 53Wheeler, OR

> 97147Phone: (503) 374-9504E-mail:

> dawnseakahrs@... " Be the change you wish to see in

> the world. " -Mahatma Gandhi " Healing is the revealing of

> one's inherent wholeness. Its midwife and child is

> contribution in humanity. " -Dawn Sea Kahrs, DCOn Feb 9,

> 2011, at 6:41 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:> :>> What

> might resolve this issue is to create an entirely separate

> > degree program for those who practice anything not

> taught in > chiropractic colleges. One could attain the

> degree of say D.E.M. > (Doctor of Energy Medicine or

> Doctor of Eclectic Medicine). This > would allow the

> metaphysical practitioners to come out of the closet > and

> practice openly without casting a shadow on mainstream >

> chiropractic. This would also help to eliminate the

> current confusion > consumers have about what is truly

> chiropractic and what would be > better classified as

> metaphysics. I don't think there would be any >

> difficulty attracting students to such a program. In fact,

> it might > actually outpace chiropractic. The real benefit

> is that it would > legitimize those who currently practice

> energy medicine without a > license and allow for billing

> under the appropriate category instead > of under the

> guise of " chiropractic. " >> Lyndon McGill, D.C.> Salem,

> Oregon> www.SalemSpineClinic.com> Evolving Doctors>>>>>

> On 2/9/2011 5:10 PM, Sears wrote: >>>> Dr.

McGill

> ,>>>> I can appreciate your passion for what we have all

> been trained to >> do, but beg to differ about your view

> of the profession as too >> diverse to enjoy an even

> health care playing field.  Chiropractic's >> strength

is

> in our unique history of drawing on Nature's mysteries >>

> with the eye of the scientist.   Our common creative

> free-will >> continues to reveal connections,

> relationships, patterns, >> perceptions, practices and so

> on uniquely.  Nonetheless, we are >> united b y the

> scientific process of our training.  It is specifically

>>

> our Nature-based orientation to health that is our real

> potency, as >> unique individuals apply the scientific

> process.>>>> Les suggested correctly that it is the

> quality of the interface with >> the individual that

> allows our scientific eyes to share evidence >>

> collectively.  It's anachronistic to consider humanity

> uniformly >> mechanical enough to respond to anonymous

> taps on the body for >> corrections.  By combining a

> positive visualization with the tapping, >> the science

> of Herbert Benson's relaxation response (intentional >>

> visualization) initiates parasympathetica and it's

> attendant >> benefits.  When we are able to bring

science

> forward from our >> individual investigations of life,

> the profession advances science. >>  With Nature as

> chiropractic's field of reference, we've drawn >>

> practitioners as diverse as Nature itself.  Chiropractic

> is stronger >> for it; and we all stronger because of

> chiropractic.  Let's look >> toward wh at is best for

our

> patients (and ourselves), rather than >> what is required

> to qualify for third-party pay.  >>>> The obstacle that

> could hinder us is failing to respect our >> different

> ways of investigating life and providing compassionate >>

> care.  We don't have to understand or appreciate what

> others may be >> doing, but we can respect our mutual

> training and Nature-based >> orientation.  By trusting

in

> our capacity as trained scientists, we >> achieve a unity

> even within our diversity, and Nature is our best >>

> example of diversity working in seamless beauty and grace.

>  >>>> Thanks for your thoughtful post.>>>>

Sears,

> DC, IAYT>> 1218 NW 21st Ave>> Portland, Oregon 97209>> v:

> 503-225-0255>> f: 503-525-6902>> www.docbones.com>>>> On

> Feb 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:>>>>>

 >>>>>>

> Docs:>>>>>> WARNING:  This post is rather lengthy, so

if

> you don't have the >>> time to devote to it, get back to

> work and do whatever it is you do >>> to justify taking

> people's money. :-)>>>>>> My p urpose for the post on

> EFT was twofold: to reinforce my point >>> in a previous

> post that our biggest obstacle as a profession is >>>

> defining who we are and what we do; and, secondly,

> admittedly, to >>> weed out who I would comfortably refer

> to around the state, since on >>> more than one occasion

> I have had a patient call me up after a >>> referral

> asking for an alternate, stating that the one I referred

> >>> them to was a little too " weird. " >>>>>> While we're

> not the only profession with a spattering of " weirdos " >>>

> (and I realize that the diagnosis of " weirdo " is

> predicated on the >>> biases of the diagnostician), we do

> have enough practitioners >>> utilizing, shall I say,

> " unconventional " methods of diagnosis and >>> treatment to

> hinder our " acceptance " into " mainstream " healthcare. >>>

> This has been the case since our inception and will never

> change. >>> To think that we as an association here in

> Oregon are going to >>> unite the profession and achieve

> financial/third-party parity with >>> the medical

> profession is a pipe dream. Some inroads may be >>>

> achieved; however, full acceptance is destined to be

> undermined by >>> individuals who engage in " unscientific "

> and unproven >>> diagnostic/treatment methods, such as the

> intern at WSCC who used to >>> place the patient prone on

> the table then extract a crystal on a >>> string from his

> pocket, suspend it over the patient's spine and >>> adjust

> them according to the pendulum swing of the crystal. If

> full >>> parity ever does occur, I don't think we'll be

> alive to see it.>>>>>> Of course, if we're not interested

> in third party pay, then >>> unbridled diversity is

> acceptable and will be financed by a >>> gullible segment

> of the population who have made charlatanism a >>>

> profitable venture for centuries. Just keep in mind that

> the person >>> doing the diagnosing probably has a " cure "

> to sell, and the " cure " >>> often determines the

> diagnosis.>>>>>> For those who practice any of the

> " X " FT's, correct me if I'm >>> wrong, but the ultimate

> goal

> is to " clear " the patient of all >>> interference so that

> " innate " (or whatever you wish to label it) can >>> fully

> express itself and the patient leaves feeling good about

> >>> themselves and your tratment. However, this best of

> intentions is >>> soon undermined by your receptionist's

> effort to collect money from >>> them, or, when they get

> home, their husband's tirade over what your >>> " miracle "

> treatment is costing " him. " Maybe we should just put a

> >>> collection box in our reception areas and let people

> donate whatever >>> they feel is appropriate for the care

> they are getting. I think some >>> DE docs tried this a

> few years ago but it didn't seem to catch on. >>> It would

> , however, help to mitigate any negative effect your fees

> >>> might have on your treatment outcomes. We could even

> take it one >>> step farther and be totally altruistic,

> treating everyone for free, >>> just like Jesus and

> doctors on mission trips have done. Should I win >>> the

> lottery, that's what I intend to do. Free chiropract ic

> care for >>> everyone---even illegal aliens! Besides, if

> what I have to offer >>> people is truly a priceless gift

> from the gods, then who am I to put >>> a bounty on it?

> That only trivializes and carnalizes it.>>>>>> Finally, I

> would like to propose a definition of chiropractic that

> >>> I think we can all live with. Certainly not one that

> Medicare and >>> third-party payors will accept, but

> certainly one we can all rally >>> around as a

> profession:  CHIROPRACTIC IS ANYTHING THAT UNITES MAN

>>>

> WITH THE DIVINE. That leaves room for everyone. Our only

> task now is >>> to decide who gets to determine which

> techniques  effectively >>> achieve that

objective.>>>>>>

> Constantly Evolv-ing,>>>>>> Lyndon McGill, D.C.>>> Salem

> , Oregon>>> www.SalemSpineClinic.com>>> Evolving

> Doctors>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Totally agree with you. Indeed chiropractic has it's roots in that in which could not be proven yet was effective, but just as anything we must evolve for the sustainability of our profession. I've long said that these obscure and precarious and sometimes spiritual techniques and practices should not be considered chiropractic, but an adjunctive therapy used by not only chiropractors but those of many different professions.

If those in the same profession do not understand what others in the same profession are doing, it is likely that what is being done has very little to do with the specific profession itself.

ph Medlin D.C.

From: Lyndon McGill

Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 6:41 PM

Subject: Re: EFT / State of Being...

:What might resolve this issue is to create an entirely separate degree program for those who practice anything not taught in chiropractic colleges. One could attain the degree of say D.E.M. (Doctor of Energy Medicine or Doctor of Eclectic Medicine). This would allow the metaphysical practitioners to come out of the closet and practice openly without casting a shadow on mainstream chiropractic. This would also help to eliminate the current confusion consumers have about what is truly chiropractic and what would be better classified as metaphysics. I don't think there would be any difficulty attracting students to such a program. In fact, it might actually outpace chiropractic. The real benefit is that it would legitimize those who currently practice energy medicine without a license and allow for billing under the appropriate category instead of under the guise of "chiropractic."Lyndon McGill, D.C.Salem, Oregonwww.SalemSpineClinic.comEvolving DoctorsOn 2/9/2011 5:10 PM, Sears wrote:

Dr. McGill,

I can appreciate your passion for what we have all been trained to do, but beg to differ about your view of the profession as too diverse to enjoy an even health care playing field. Chiropractic's strength is in our unique history of drawing on Nature's mysteries with the eye of the scientist. Our common creative free-will continues to reveal connections, relationships, patterns, perceptions, practices and so on uniquely. Nonetheless, we are united by the scientific process of our training. It is specifically our Nature-based orientation to health that is our real potency, as unique individuals apply the scientific process.

Les suggested correctly that it is the quality of the interface with the individual that allows our scientific eyes to share evidence collectively. It's anachronistic to consider humanity uniformly mechanical enough to respond to anonymous taps on the body for corrections. By combining a positive visualization with the tapping, the science of Herbert Benson's relaxation response (intentional visualization) initiates parasympathetica and it's attendant benefits. When we are able to bring science forward from our individual investigations of life, the profession advances science. With Nature as chiropractic's field of reference, we've drawn practitioners as diverse as Nature itself. Chiropractic is stronger for it; and we all stronger because of chiropractic. Let's look toward what is best for our patients (and ourselves), rather than what is required to qualify for third-party pay.

The obstacle that could hinder us is failing to respect our different ways of investigating life and providing compassionate care. We don't have to understand or appreciate what others may be doing, but we can respect our mutual training and Nature-based orientation. By trusting in our capacity as trained scientists, we achieve a unity even within our diversity, and Nature is our best example of diversity working in seamless beauty and grace.

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

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On Feb 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:

Docs:WARNING: This post is rather lengthy, so if you don't have the time to devote to it, get back to work and do whatever it is you do to justify taking people's money. :-) My purpose for the post on EFT was twofold: to reinforce my point in a previous post that our biggest obstacle as a profession is defining who we are and what we do; and, secondly, admittedly, to weed out who I would comfortably refer to around the state, since on more than one occasion I have had a patient call me up after a referral asking for an alternate, stating that the one I referred them to was a little too "weird."While we're not the only profession with a spattering of "weirdos" (and I realize that the diagnosis of "weirdo" is predicated on the biases of the diagnostician), we do have enough practitioners utilizing, shall I say, "unconventional" methods of diagnosis and treatment to hinder our "acceptance" into "mainstream" healthcare. This has been the case since our inception and will never change. To think that we as an association here in Oregon are going to unite the profession and achieve financial/third-party parity with the medical profession is a pipe dream. Some inroads may be achieved; however, full acceptance is destined to be undermined by individuals who engage in "unscientific" and unproven diagnostic/treatment methods, such as the intern at WSCC who used to place the patient prone on the table then extract a crystal on a string from his pocket, suspend it over the patient's spine and adjust them according to the pendulum swing of the crystal. If full parity ever does occur, I don't think we'll be alive to see it.Of course, if we're not interested in third party pay, then unbridled diversity is acceptable and will be financed by a gullible segment of the population who have made charlatanism a profitable venture for centuries. Just keep in mind that the person doing the diagnosing probably has a "cure" to sell, and the "cure" often determines the diagnosis. For those who practice any of the "X"FT's, correct me if I'm wrong, but the ultimate goal is to "clear" the patient of all interference so that "innate" (or whatever you wish to label it) can fully express itself and the patient leaves feeling good about themselves and your tratment. However, this best of intentions is soon undermined by your receptionist's effort to collect money from them, or, when they get home, their husband's tirade over what your "miracle" treatment is costing "him." Maybe we should just put a collection box in our reception areas and let people donate whatever they feel is appropriate for the care they are getting. I think some DE docs tried this a few years ago but it didn't seem to catch on. It would, however, help to mitigate any negative effect your fees might have on your treatment outcomes. We could even take it one step farther and be totally altruistic, treating everyone for free, just like Jesus and doctors on mission trips have done. Should I win the lottery, that's what I intend to do. Free chiropractic care for everyone---even illegal aliens! Besides, if what I have to offer people is truly a priceless gift from the gods, then who am I to put a bounty on it? That only trivializes and carnalizes it.Finally, I would like to propose a definition of chiropractic that I think we can all live with. Certainly not one that Medicare and third-party payors will accept, but certainly one we can all rally around as a profession: CHIROPRACTIC IS ANYTHING THAT UNITES MAN WITH THE DIVINE. That leaves room for everyone. Our only task now is to decide who gets to determine which techniques effectively achieve that objective.Constantly Evolv-ing,Lyndon McGill, D.C.Salem, Oregonwww.SalemSpineClinic.comEvolving Doctors

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Adam:

Sorry for not responding to your post until now but I just

discovered your message way down in my Inbox.

Agreed, what is to be considered "mainstream" in chiropractic is

always under debate and constantly evolving. However, I think most

members of the profession would agree that the core of our current

identity in the healthcare marketplace and in the eyes of the public

is "manipulation of the spine---either by hand or instrument---to

remove nerve interference so that the body can return to a healthy

state." Not just manipulation to restore function, but also to

restore health. I think we can agree that dry needling, homeopathy,

nutrition, physiotherapy, etc., are adjunctive but not integral to

our identity. I will also concede that some adjustive techniques

widely used by the profession today need more evidence-based

validation. However, most of them are still founded on the core

premise of reducing nerve interference by treating the spine. To

address your scenarios specifically, I would say that "The ones who

adjust to remove the cause of dis-ease", "The ones who manipulate to

remove the symptoms", and "The ones who incorporate evidence-based

measures" would easily qualify as "mainstream" while the others

would not.

As mentioned on more than one occasion in my previous posts, if we

want to tell the government and third-party payors to go to hell and

just go "all cash," then we can practice "anything and everything"

that the law allows. However, if a majority of the profession

desires to be integrated into the established healthcare system and

a segment of the profession is practicing non-evidence-based

techniques that are inhibiting that integration, then, yes, they

need to be "weeded out." Let them form a separate and distinct

profession that embraces such techniques, and then they can wage

their battle for full integration from that platform. That's why I

suggested a DEM degree or something along those lines. Once a

particular technique becomes evidence-based, then it can be

considered for acceptance into "mainstream" chiropractic. This will

also force the current technique peddlers to either perform the

studies necessary to prove their validity or be excluded from

third-party reimbursement.

I truly believe that if we don't focus our identity and define what

is truly chiropractic, we will never attain a position in the

forthcoming healthcare system and patient access will be severely

limited as a result.

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

Evolving Doctors

On 2/11/2011 8:27 AM, AllD wrote:

I'm curious Lyndon, according to you, who are the mainstream chiropractors who practice what is truly chiropractic?

The ones who "dry needle" trigger points?

The ones who want to replace family practice medicine?

The ones who adjust to remove the cause of dis-ease?

The ones who manipulate to remove the symptoms?

The ones who incorporate evidence based measures?

The ones who don't adjust/manipulate but use ultrasound & stim, rehab and soft tissue work ?

What if all these groups wanted to weed out the others so their reputation wouldn't be tainted by those who practice under the guise of chiropractic? (or perhaps they already do)

Adam Drapkin, DC

:

What might resolve this issue is to create an entirely separate degree program for those who practice anything not taught in chiropractic colleges. One could attain the degree of say D.E.M. (Doctor of Energy Medicine or Doctor of Eclectic Medicine). This would allow the metaphysical practitioners to come out of the closet and practice openly without casting a shadow on mainstream chiropractic. This would also help to eliminate the current confusion consumers have about what is truly chiropractic and what would be better classified as metaphysics. I don't think there would be any difficulty attracting students to such a program. In fact, it might actually outpace chiropractic. The real benefit is that it would legitimize those who currently practice energy medicine without a license and allow for billing under the appropriate category instead of under the guise of "chiropractic."

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

www.SalemSpineClinic.com

Evolving Doctors <http://www.mcgillonline.com/Doctors>

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