RE: Re: Dry needling and the future of natural healthcare

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Excellent points, Vern. The other " natural health care " professions are

expanding their scopes of practice and why not? The more that is known about how

to aid the body in its healing process, the better off the most important piece

of the equation, the patient, is going to be. And the patients are getting to be

more and more knowledgeable about the healthcare marketplace. We have very

limited, if any, control over what the other professions are doing, but we can

control what we do - either by action or inaction.

This current discussion about dry needling is good, we need to look at all

treatment modalities available to us whether we personally choose to utilize

them or not. All of us in the choir know the power of the adjustment, but the

general public - especially those 93% that do not currently utilize our services

- may not. But they do know how to pull up more information on their ailments

than they know what to do with in just a few seconds. We should have the

professional acumen to guide them through the maze of services they will be

asking for, if not actually providing them. Patients go into their MD's armed

with the brainwashed " knowledge " to ask their doctor " if Abilify is right for

me " (cue sounds of me wretching.....). I'm sure we all get questions every day

about whether acupuncture, nutrition, exercise or massage would help. When

patients ask questions, they aren't just asking for answers, they are looking

for help. We should be the guiding light of natural healthcare and, if not

willing or able to provide them with the services they want, at least be able to

guide them in the right direction- perhaps to a chiropractor who can provide

those services.

True knowledge is power. The more we know, the better off our patients will be.

That, to me, is the bottom line.

Rod

Rodney G. , DC

Tillamook Natural Health Center

309 Laurel Ave.

Tillamook, OR 97141

503-842-6532

Re: Re: Dry needling

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>The Doctors of Physical Therapy's 2020 plan calls for first contact portal

>of entry primary care provider status, prescription authority, injectible

>nutrients, etc., etc. The nurses have expanded and are also performing

>spinal manipulation as are " Doctors of Oriental Medicine " and the

>naturopathic physicians. The new osteopathic college being built in my neck

>of the woods is making spinal manipulation a required course of

>study.....once cased off by the DOs...and as I say everyone else is jumping

>on the spinal manipulation/adjusting bandwagon...we do not own spinal

>manipulation we simply must continue to have a better product.

>

>Meanwhile another issue to consider for our future is the possibility if not

>the probability that via the " Codex Alimentarius " international agreements

>nutrient supplements, botanicals, etc. will fall under prescription and

>without prescriptive authority we and other may no longer be able to

>dispense them in our clinics as a supposed patient safety angle via " big

>pharma. " Also provider types that gain prescription authority can take

>consumers of the lousy meds they are on in favor of less invasive spinal

>manipulation, nutrients, botanicals, and homeopathic interventions, diet,

>and exercise...

>

>Currently, as least according to one recent review our marketshare has gone

>from 10% of the general population down to seeing just 7% will the drop

>continue? Are we to be further marginalized to even a small box as other

>groups " move on? "

>

>The current governor for Oregon believes (at least for now) that

>chiropractic physicians are or can be " Primary Care Providers " and while

>practicing to the height of their licensure will be critical to helping to

>fill the need for primary care physicians which are in very short supply and

>the need for primary are providers is only growing. Jan. 1 of this year

>approx. 78 million Americans became eligible for Medicare benefits with many

>allopathic doctors refusing to treat Medicare patients who will be their

>PCP? This will only be exacerbated by the Universal Health Care System due

>to come online fully in 2015...

>

>There is a reason why the ACA passed a key resolution relative to DCs acting

>as Primary Care Physicians, why several schools have gone to University

>status, why several advance degree programs are being taught and more coming

>e.g., National University of Health Sciences " Masters of Science in Advance

>Practices, " why the CCE proposed and will likely adopt the language changes

>they just put forth, and why multiple states have, are, or gearing up to go

>to their state legislatures asking for some form of expansion of their scope

>of practices...

>

>Just some thoughts at the end of a long day....good meetings at the Capitol

>today however....

>

>Vern Saboe, DC

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> Dry needling & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; The board has

>determined dry needling to be in our scope of practice ! The training ,

>informed

>consent and some things I forget will be worked out in the Rules committee.

>Thank you all for your help and support. The UWS can take great credit for

>it's

>effort and vision as can Dr. Fishkin DC from land who along with other

>visionaries offers this to us. I look forward to full integration of this

>with

>other myofascial techniques. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Sharron

>Fuchs & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Sent from my

>iPhone & gt;

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The FIRST definition of 'doctor' is teacher.....before the dictionary gets into what we think we went into medicine for: the diagnosis and treatment of ailments. I teach all day long and still get inance questions ..... so, I sigh and teach some more.

Sunny

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vsaboe@...CC: From: rjacksondc@...Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:54:15 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Dry needling and the future of natural healthcare

Excellent points, Vern. The other "natural health care" professions are expanding their scopes of practice and why not? The more that is known about how to aid the body in its healing process, the better off the most important piece of the equation, the patient, is going to be. And the patients are getting to be more and more knowledgeable about the healthcare marketplace. We have very limited, if any, control over what the other professions are doing, but we can control what we do - either by action or inaction.This current discussion about dry needling is good, we need to look at all treatment modalities available to us whether we personally choose to utilize them or not. All of us in the choir know the power of the adjustment, but the general public - especially those 93% that do not currently utilize our services - may not. But they do know how to pull up more information on their ailments than they know what to do with in just a few seconds. We should have the professional acumen to guide them through the maze of services they will be asking for, if not actually providing them. Patients go into their MD's armed with the brainwashed "knowledge" to ask their doctor "if Abilify is right for me" (cue sounds of me wretching.....). I'm sure we all get questions every day about whether acupuncture, nutrition, exercise or massage would help. When patients ask questions, they aren't just asking for answers, they are looking for help. We should be the guiding light of natural healthcare and, if not willing or able to provide them with the services they want, at least be able to guide them in the right direction- perhaps to a chiropractor who can provide those services.True knowledge is power. The more we know, the better off our patients will be. That, to me, is the bottom line.RodRodney G. , DCTillamook Natural Health Center309 Laurel Ave.Tillamook, OR 97141503-842-6532 Re: Re: Dry needling>>The Doctors of Physical Therapy's 2020 plan calls for first contact portal >of entry primary care provider status, prescription authority, injectible >nutrients, etc., etc. The nurses have expanded and are also performing >spinal manipulation as are "Doctors of Oriental Medicine" and the >naturopathic physicians. The new osteopathic college being built in my neck >of the woods is making spinal manipulation a required course of >study.....once cased off by the DOs...and as I say everyone else is jumping >on the spinal manipulation/adjusting bandwagon...we do not own spinal >manipulation we simply must continue to have a better product.>>Meanwhile another issue to consider for our future is the possibility if not >the probability that via the "Codex Alimentarius" international agreements >nutrient supplements, botanicals, etc. will fall under prescription and >without prescriptive authority we and other may no longer be able to >dispense them in our clinics as a supposed patient safety angle via "big >pharma." Also provider types that gain prescription authority can take >consumers of the lousy meds they are on in favor of less invasive spinal >manipulation, nutrients, botanicals, and homeopathic interventions, diet, >and exercise...>>Currently, as least according to one recent review our marketshare has gone >from 10% of the general population down to seeing just 7% will the drop >continue? Are we to be further marginalized to even a small box as other >groups "move on?">>The current governor for Oregon believes (at least for now) that >chiropractic physicians are or can be "Primary Care Providers" and while >practicing to the height of their licensure will be critical to helping to >fill the need for primary care physicians which are in very short supply and >the need for primary are providers is only growing. Jan. 1 of this year >approx. 78 million Americans became eligible for Medicare benefits with many >allopathic doctors refusing to treat Medicare patients who will be their >PCP? This will only be exacerbated by the Universal Health Care System due >to come online fully in 2015...>>There is a reason why the ACA passed a key resolution relative to DCs acting >as Primary Care Physicians, why several schools have gone to University >status, why several advance degree programs are being taught and more coming >e.g., National University of Health Sciences "Masters of Science in Advance >Practices," why the CCE proposed and will likely adopt the language changes >they just put forth, and why multiple states have, are, or gearing up to go >to their state legislatures asking for some form of expansion of their scope >of practices...>>Just some thoughts at the end of a long day....good meetings at the Capitol >today however....>>Vern Saboe, DC>>>>> Dry needling & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; The board has>determined dry needling to be in our scope of practice ! The training , >informed>consent and some things I forget will be worked out in the Rules committee.>Thank you all for your help and support. The UWS can take great credit for >it's>effort and vision as can Dr. Fishkin DC from land who along with other>visionaries offers this to us. I look forward to full integration of this >with>other myofascial techniques. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Sharron>Fuchs & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Sent from my>iPhone & gt;>>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------>>All posts must adhere to OregonDCs rules located on homepage at: >/>Tell a colleague about OregonDCs! (must be licensed Oregon DC) >Links>>>>>>------------------------------------>>All posts must adhere to OregonDCs rules located on homepage at: />Tell a colleague about OregonDCs! (must be licensed Oregon DC)