Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 11:32:53 AM Central Daylight Time, jdsk1198@... writes: She said that since that article was published, 2 more of the doctors recanted as well. She went on to say that the one remaining doctor from the original study that's still saying it might be a cause gets most of his financial backing for research from the anti-mercury lobby. My post: Who the heck is the anti-mercury lobby? That must be us. Like we have more money than the pharmaceutical companies? PLEASE. The reason our kids get shafted so much is because we don't have a good lobby. We are all too broke and too busy dealing with our kids. This Doctor needs to get a clue about the real world. Just my .02 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 , Is there somewhere we can get a copy of that transcript? Thanks! Tonya ------------------------------------ Texas Federation of Families Tonya Hettler Trainer thettler@... Route 2 Box 181 Idalou, TX 79329 mobile: (806) 544-0347 http://www.txffcmh.org w-i-n/ ------------------------------------ RE: vaccinations I apologize if my tone in the previous vaccination post offended. I used to feel somewhat similar to you. But after I read the Simpsonwood transcript (a meeting of the top doctors in the US who are supposed to be watching otu for our children's health and safety) where they candidly discussed the high levels of mercury, the liability of that mistake and where one of the doctors even excused himself from the meeting to have his newly born grandson's vaccinations stopped, I snapped out of it. My disgust has grown over the last two years as I have watched top government officials with large financial interests in big Pharm collude and try to protect those companies, while children get sicker. Health insurance premiums are driven through the roof by the drug costs for chronic conditions, and rising health insurance premiums make foreign labor seem much cheaper. I spoke candidly with a top CDC official about the situation, and he shared that there are many in the CDC who recommended against the IOM report being published when it was, but were overridden by even higher officials from the hill. The problem that is being ignored has the potential to be the straw that breaks the US's back as the baby boomers being to retire and people have to spend their energies caring for multiple sick family members instead of building a better widget. Texas Autism Advocacy Unlocking Autism www.UnlockingAutism.org Autism-Awareness-Action Worldwide internet group for parents who have a child with AUTISM. SeekingJoyinDisability - Prayer support for those touched by Disability: SeekingJoyinDisability/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 , Is there somewhere we can get a copy of that transcript? Thanks! Tonya ------------------------------------ Texas Federation of Families Tonya Hettler Trainer thettler@... Route 2 Box 181 Idalou, TX 79329 mobile: (806) 544-0347 http://www.txffcmh.org w-i-n/ ------------------------------------ RE: vaccinations I apologize if my tone in the previous vaccination post offended. I used to feel somewhat similar to you. But after I read the Simpsonwood transcript (a meeting of the top doctors in the US who are supposed to be watching otu for our children's health and safety) where they candidly discussed the high levels of mercury, the liability of that mistake and where one of the doctors even excused himself from the meeting to have his newly born grandson's vaccinations stopped, I snapped out of it. My disgust has grown over the last two years as I have watched top government officials with large financial interests in big Pharm collude and try to protect those companies, while children get sicker. Health insurance premiums are driven through the roof by the drug costs for chronic conditions, and rising health insurance premiums make foreign labor seem much cheaper. I spoke candidly with a top CDC official about the situation, and he shared that there are many in the CDC who recommended against the IOM report being published when it was, but were overridden by even higher officials from the hill. The problem that is being ignored has the potential to be the straw that breaks the US's back as the baby boomers being to retire and people have to spend their energies caring for multiple sick family members instead of building a better widget. Texas Autism Advocacy Unlocking Autism www.UnlockingAutism.org Autism-Awareness-Action Worldwide internet group for parents who have a child with AUTISM. SeekingJoyinDisability - Prayer support for those touched by Disability: SeekingJoyinDisability/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Tonya: I'll send you a copy this evening. Peacefully, Jeff Sell & Sell, L.L.P. 4309 Yoakum Blvd., Suite 2000 Houston, Texas 77006 713-874-6444 713-874-6445 (fax) 832-731-3145 (cell) JZSell@... www.JZSLAW.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " This e-mail may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized or improper disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this e-mail and/or the attached document(s) is prohibited. The information contained in this e-mail and/or the attached document(s) is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original e-mail and attached document(s). _____ From: Tonya Hettler [mailto:thettler@...] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:16 PM Autism Treatment Subject: RE: RE: vaccinations , Is there somewhere we can get a copy of that transcript? Thanks! Tonya ------------------------------------ Texas Federation of Families Tonya Hettler Trainer thettler@... Route 2 Box 181 Idalou, TX 79329 mobile: (806) 544-0347 http://www.txffcmh.org w-i-n/ ------------------------------------ RE: vaccinations I apologize if my tone in the previous vaccination post offended. I used to feel somewhat similar to you. But after I read the Simpsonwood transcript (a meeting of the top doctors in the US who are supposed to be watching otu for our children's health and safety) where they candidly discussed the high levels of mercury, the liability of that mistake and where one of the doctors even excused himself from the meeting to have his newly born grandson's vaccinations stopped, I snapped out of it. My disgust has grown over the last two years as I have watched top government officials with large financial interests in big Pharm collude and try to protect those companies, while children get sicker. Health insurance premiums are driven through the roof by the drug costs for chronic conditions, and rising health insurance premiums make foreign labor seem much cheaper. I spoke candidly with a top CDC official about the situation, and he shared that there are many in the CDC who recommended against the IOM report being published when it was, but were overridden by even higher officials from the hill. The problem that is being ignored has the potential to be the straw that breaks the US's back as the baby boomers being to retire and people have to spend their energies caring for multiple sick family members instead of building a better widget. Texas Autism Advocacy Unlocking Autism www.UnlockingAutism.org Autism-Awareness-Action Worldwide internet group for parents who have a child with AUTISM. SeekingJoyinDisability - Prayer support for those touched by Disability: SeekingJoyinDisability/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Tonya: I'll send you a copy this evening. Peacefully, Jeff Sell & Sell, L.L.P. 4309 Yoakum Blvd., Suite 2000 Houston, Texas 77006 713-874-6444 713-874-6445 (fax) 832-731-3145 (cell) JZSell@... www.JZSLAW.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " This e-mail may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized or improper disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this e-mail and/or the attached document(s) is prohibited. The information contained in this e-mail and/or the attached document(s) is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original e-mail and attached document(s). _____ From: Tonya Hettler [mailto:thettler@...] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:16 PM Autism Treatment Subject: RE: RE: vaccinations , Is there somewhere we can get a copy of that transcript? Thanks! Tonya ------------------------------------ Texas Federation of Families Tonya Hettler Trainer thettler@... Route 2 Box 181 Idalou, TX 79329 mobile: (806) 544-0347 http://www.txffcmh.org w-i-n/ ------------------------------------ RE: vaccinations I apologize if my tone in the previous vaccination post offended. I used to feel somewhat similar to you. But after I read the Simpsonwood transcript (a meeting of the top doctors in the US who are supposed to be watching otu for our children's health and safety) where they candidly discussed the high levels of mercury, the liability of that mistake and where one of the doctors even excused himself from the meeting to have his newly born grandson's vaccinations stopped, I snapped out of it. My disgust has grown over the last two years as I have watched top government officials with large financial interests in big Pharm collude and try to protect those companies, while children get sicker. Health insurance premiums are driven through the roof by the drug costs for chronic conditions, and rising health insurance premiums make foreign labor seem much cheaper. I spoke candidly with a top CDC official about the situation, and he shared that there are many in the CDC who recommended against the IOM report being published when it was, but were overridden by even higher officials from the hill. The problem that is being ignored has the potential to be the straw that breaks the US's back as the baby boomers being to retire and people have to spend their energies caring for multiple sick family members instead of building a better widget. Texas Autism Advocacy Unlocking Autism www.UnlockingAutism.org Autism-Awareness-Action Worldwide internet group for parents who have a child with AUTISM. SeekingJoyinDisability - Prayer support for those touched by Disability: SeekingJoyinDisability/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Dear Jill, I think there maybe a link to the vaccinations and our kids, but i also think alot is genetic. My son BJ was an awful baby and had tendencies at 1yr of age,even though i just thought it was because he was a boy. But within roughly 6 wks of him having his mmr he was very violent, so i dont think the vaccination helped. As far as im concerned BJ's is genetic because my nephew has AS and semantic pragmatic disorder aswell, and my cousins son is being tested for it. My other nephew as had his mmr all seperate which cost a fortune, and he is still showing alot of asd tendencies and he is 4yr old. But on the other hand i know some1 who's little boy was fine had speech and everything until he had his mmr at age 5, his mother is adament that it was the vaccine, and i think she is probably right, so i am in 2 minds over it all. I do believe that the vaccines probably dont help our kids but how many show signs at 2 months old, when the first vaccine is given. I also have felt awful at times because i helped promote the mmr when i was working for the nhs, and we went round all the schools in birmingham,england. and helped vaccinate all those children. If i had known all the facts back then and realised there could be a connection i would of never of been a part of the scheme,and i certainly wouldnt of let my kids have the vaccinations unless they were all seperate. But on the other hand i was only doing my job at the time. Even if some1 proved there was a connection it would be covered up because of al the compensation they would have to pay out. Which wouldnt mean anything, yes it may help the futures of all our kids but thats about it. Sorry for going on. Best wishes Netty >From: " jilladrian " <jilladrian@...> >Reply-Autism and Aspergers Treatment ><Autism and Aspergers Treatment > >Subject: vaccinations >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:26:04 -0700 > >Clear DaySpeaking as a complete layperson I wonder this about vaccines and >their correlation to autism: Why are there more cases now, then 20 years >ago when thimerosal was in regular use? Again, I haven't done any research >on vaccines from 20 years ago, I am going by what I have read on the >internet and in the odd parenting magazine. However, this does seem odd to >blame thimerosal for the sudden jump in ASD disorders. >I would like to hear the rest of your thoughts on this, because I really >want to get more " on the ball " for Tommy's future. Tommy was always a >little intimidating as a baby, and to this day he has yet to sleep through >the night. >However, I am REALLY thankful he is otherwise a mellow little boy and >except for the diaper thing he is really my easiest and least aggravating >child...at home. I don't like to take him shopping with me because there >is usually at least one Code Adam alert thanks to him! >Anyway, thanks for " listening " . I have been wanting to ask that about >vaccines for ages but haven't been able to find anyone who really knew what >I was talking about! > >Jill Ramos >Tommy's Mommy > > >I once had a rose named after me and I was very flattered, but I was not >pleased to read the description in the catalogue: " ...no good in a bed, but >fine up against a wall. " > - Eleanor Roosevelt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Hi Jill, I have heard and read that one of the reasons there seems to be many more cases today of ADA than years ago, is because people are more alert to the disorder, and also there are professionals in place to recognize it and to test a child for it. I don't know if this is true or not, but it does make some sense I think. Another thing is years ago parents would try and hide away a child who seemed different, and would rationalize and cover up anything that seemed to not be normal in a child, to avoid the social stigma that came with it. And now society is much more acceptance of people with disabilitities since the civil rights movement of the 60s, so there seems like there are more of them, but maybe there is not actually more. Points to ponder...... Carolyn in Oregon vaccinations Speaking as a complete layperson I wonder this about vaccines and their correlation to autism: Why are there more cases now, then 20 years ago when thimerosal was in regular use? Again, I haven't done any research on vaccines from 20 years ago, I am going by what I have read on the internet and in the odd parenting magazine. However, this does seem odd to blame thimerosal for the sudden jump in ASD disorders. I would like to hear the rest of your thoughts on this, because I really want to get more "on the ball" for Tommy's future. Tommy was always a little intimidating as a baby, and to this day he has yet to sleep through the night. However, I am REALLY thankful he is otherwise a mellow little boy and except for the diaper thing he is really my easiest and least aggravating child...at home. I don't like to take him shopping with me because there is usually at least one Code Adam alert thanks to him! Anyway, thanks for "listening". I have been wanting to ask that about vaccines for ages but haven't been able to find anyone who really knew what I was talking about! Jill Ramos Tommy's Mommy I once had a rose named after me and I was very flattered, but I was not pleased to read the description in the catalogue: "...no good in a bed, but fine up against a wall." - Eleanor Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 In a message dated 5/14/2005 2:24:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, charper777@... writes: Speaking as a complete layperson I wonder this about vaccines and their correlation to autism: Why are there more cases now, then 20 years ago when thimerosal was in regular use? Again, I haven't done any research on vaccines from 20 years ago, I am going by what I have read on the internet and in the odd parenting magazine. There are more cases now than 20 years ago because more kids are being vaccinated now that 2o years ago. Also there are higher levels of thimerosal being used today than 20 years ago. However, this does seem odd to blame thimerosal for the sudden jump in ASD disorders. Thimerosal is a toxin. Mercury poison produces the same symptoms of autism. A lot of kids are unable to move mercury out of their systems. So it stays in their systems and affects development behavior and has the symptoms of autism. More kids are being vaccinated. There are high levels of thimerosal in the vaccines. With the increase of autism over the years, it's a good bet to blame it on thimerosal. Every Scientist will tell you that there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic. I would like to hear the rest of your thoughts on this, because I really want to get more "on the ball" for Tommy's future. Tommy was always a little intimidating as a baby, and to this day he has yet to sleep through the night. However, I am REALLY thankful he is otherwise a mellow little boy and except for the diaper thing he is really my easiest and least aggravating child...at home. I don't like to take him shopping with me because there is usually at least one Code Adam alert thanks to him! Anyway, thanks for "listening". I have been wanting to ask that about vaccines for ages but haven't been able to find anyone who really knew what I was talking about! My thoughts on vaccines, and I speak as the mom to 4 boys with autism, 3 of whom I am sure vaccines had something to do with. I do not think that vaccines are the only cause of autism. I think there are genetic factors, environmental factors, and yes, vaccines. That is why it is such a wide spectrum. If you study thimerosal and autism, you will find that the symptoms of autism and mercury poisoning are exactly the same. It is definitely something that should be looked into and evaluated and researched. They knew of the dangers of thimerosal and covered it up. Some shots given to babies have 80 times the amount of mercury safe for an adult in them. this is what is being injected in babies. If it is dangerous then we should be checking it out. These are innocent babies that can not speak for themselves. Also there is research that thimerosal doesn't even work to preserve the vaccine as they once believed. Today, vaccines are being made without thimerosal, but there is still vaccines with thimerosal on the shelves, and most vaccines still have traces in it. Plus there is still thimerosal in flu vaccines that are being recommended for children and pregnant women. Also there is mercury in some eye drops, and even in hemoroid medicine, not to mention tuna and fish. So there are other ways to be exposed to mercury and toxins than just vaccines. Sharon(moderator) Jill Ramos Tommy's Mommy Hi Jill, I have heard and read that one of the reasons there seems to be many more cases today of ADA than years ago, is because people are more alert to the disorder, and also there are professionals in place to recognize it and to test a child for it. I don't know if this is true or not, but it does make some sense I think. Another thing is years ago parents would try and hide away a child who seemed different, and would rationalize and cover up anything that seemed to not be normal in a child, to avoid the social stigma that came with it. And now society is much more acceptance of people with disabilitities since the civil rights movement of the 60s, so there seems like there are more of them, but maybe there is not actually more. Points to ponder...... Carolyn in Oregon vaccinations Speaking as a complete layperson I wonder this about vaccines and their correlation to autism: Why are there more cases now, then 20 years ago when thimerosal was in regular use? Again, I haven't done any research on vaccines from 20 years ago, I am going by what I have read on the internet and in the odd parenting magazine. However, this does seem odd to blame thimerosal for the sudden jump in ASD disorders. I would like to hear the rest of your thoughts on this, because I really want to get more "on the ball" for Tommy's future. Tommy was always a little intimidating as a baby, and to this day he has yet to sleep through the night. However, I am REALLY thankful he is otherwise a mellow little boy and except for the diaper thing he is really my easiest and least aggravating child...at home. I don't like to take him shopping with me because there is usually at least one Code Adam alert thanks to him! Anyway, thanks for "listening". I have been wanting to ask that about vaccines for ages but haven't been able to find anyone who really knew what I was talking about! Jill Ramos Tommy's Mommy I once had a rose named after me and I was very flattered, but I was not pleased to read the description in the catalogue: "...no good in a bed, but fine up against a wall." - Eleanor Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 I have a number of friends that are school teachers. Actually my father is a teacher. They all have told me time and again how over the last 5-10 years, the number of kids in their classes with disabilities has increased. Some have said kids with disabilities were harder before to deal with because there was so little known about them but now what is hard to deal with is the sheer quantity of them. I have yet to talk to a teacher that does not believe it is an epidemic that is getting worse every year. > I have heard and read that one of the reasons there > seems to be many more cases today of ADA than years ago, is > because people are more alert to the disorder, and also > there are professionals in place to recognize it and to test > a child for it. I don't know if this is true or not, but it > does make some sense I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 SSch184188@... wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/2005 2:24:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > charper777@... writes: > > Speaking as a complete layperson I wonder this about vaccines and > their correlation to autism: Why are there more cases now, then 20 > years ago when thimerosal was in regular use? Again, I haven't done > any research on vaccines from 20 years ago, I am going by what I have > read on the internet and in the odd parenting magazine. > > There are more cases now than 20 years ago because more kids are > being vaccinated now that 2o years ago. Also there are higher levels > of thimerosal being used today than 20 years ago. I believe there are more cases *recorded and identified* today because of several things. For one thing, our kids are no longer kept out of school and either hidden away or institutionalized. Our kids are drawing the correct diagnosis now, too, where they might not have 20 years ago....they wanted to believe my son was schizophrenic for a while there, and then they wanted to believe he was retarded. He is, in fact, HFA/AS. And both pediatricians and neurologists (as well as those who screen newborns) are a lot more aware of autism now than they were then. And we hear about it more now, because it's no longer thought of something private, to be ashamed of, that polite people didn't bring up. > > However, this does seem odd to blame thimerosal for the sudden jump > in ASD disorders. > > Thimerosal is a toxin. Mercury poison produces the same symptoms of > autism. A lot of kids are unable to move mercury out of their > systems. So it stays in their systems and affects development > behavior and has the symptoms of autism. More kids are being > vaccinated. There are high levels of thimerosal in the vaccines. With > the increase of autism over the years, it's a good bet to blame it on > thimerosal. Every Scientist will tell you that there is no such thing > as a genetic epidemic. Exactly right on the genetic epidemic thing. This is not an epidemic. It's an increased awareness, and better diagnostic technique, that has lead to increased correct diagnosis of autistic people. Mercury is indeed a poison. That is, methylmercury is. But thimerosol is not methylmercury, it's ethylmercury. It's much much weaker than the stuff that used to fill thermometers, because it's a byproduct of methylmercury. And a study done some years ago of infants proved resoundingly that infants do indeed clear themselves of ethylmercury: At the initial National Vaccine Advisory Committee-sponsored meeting on thimerosal in 1999, concerns were expressed that infants may lack the ability to eliminate mercury. More recent NIAID-supported studies at the University of Rochester and National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, MD examined levels of mercury in blood and other samples from infants who had received routine immunizations with thimerosal-containing vaccines. [Pichichero ME, et al. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002)] Blood levels of mercury did not exceed safety guidelines for methyl mercury for all infants in these studies. Further, mercury was cleared from the blood in infants exposed to thimerosal faster than would be predicted for methyl mercury; infants excreted significant amounts of mercury in stool after thimerosal exposure, thus removing mercury from their bodies. These results suggest that there are differences in the way that thimerosal and methyl mercury are distributed, metabolized, and excreted. Thimerosal appears to be removed from the blood and body more rapidly than methyl mercury. NIAID is sponsoring a follow-up study with larger numbers of infants in Buenos Aires where thimerosal-containing vaccines are still administered to children. See the NIH/NIAID vaccines/thimerosal web site http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.htm. (source: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1) > I would like to hear the rest of your thoughts on this, because I > really want to get more " on the ball " for Tommy's future. Tommy was > always a little intimidating as a baby, and to this day he has yet to > sleep through the night. This is going to sound silly, but try taking apples and apple products our of his diet and see if this improves his sleeping patterns. Worked with our guy; I just wish we'd heard about it before he was 17. > However, I am REALLY thankful he is otherwise a mellow little boy and > except for the diaper thing he is really my easiest and least > aggravating child...at home. I don't like to take him shopping with > me because there is usually at least one Code Adam alert thanks to > him! Anyway, thanks for " listening " . I have been wanting to ask that > about vaccines for ages but haven't been able to find anyone who > really knew what I was talking about! I can understand that. But there's no use worrying about things that are no longer true. And there's no thimerosol in vaccines here in the US, the first vaccines being reformulated without it in '99. Considering that vaccines don't have an unlimited shelf-life, it's extremely doubtful that any of the old stuff is still around either. And the danger of *not* vaccinating is much greater than doing so. Autism won't kill a kid, but diptheria, whooping cough, tetanus, measles, hard measles, and chicken pox can kill a kid...not to mention what high temperatures can do to one's brain. These are my thoughts and opinions, of course. But they are very thoroughly researched ones. Annie, who loves ya annie@... -- Wandering is one of the most sensible things in the world to do. I highly recommend the pursuit of happiness from east to west, bending and stopping, pausing, enjoying, not going anywhere in particular except down a beach or around a pond, always knowing that there is something wonderful just ahead. --- Ann H. Zwinger, Naturalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 I think the concern though with not calling autism is an epidemic is that the word alone gets attention -- any other issue out there with rates this high are epidemics, and sadly, epidemics tend to draw more attention and money for research. Whatever the reason for the increase in numbers, there's something badly wrong going on and more needs to be done to find out exactly what that is. Until they can prove thimerosal is not causing it, they shouldn't discount it. I've researched a ton on vaccinations, and am thankful that as of yet, it's still a parental choice. I'll give the CP vaccine any day, as I totally agree with the high-fever concern (as not all fevers are the same) but I also think that dosing up a child with autism when I can't be entirely sure that I won't be making something worse is not a risk I'll take. Re: Fwd: vaccinations > SSch184188@... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/14/2005 2:24:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > charper777@... writes: > > > > Speaking as a complete layperson I wonder this about vaccines and > > their correlation to autism: Why are there more cases now, then 20 > > years ago when thimerosal was in regular use? Again, I haven't done > > any research on vaccines from 20 years ago, I am going by what I have > > read on the internet and in the odd parenting magazine. > > > > There are more cases now than 20 years ago because more kids are > > being vaccinated now that 2o years ago. Also there are higher levels > > of thimerosal being used today than 20 years ago. > > I believe there are more cases *recorded and identified* today because > of several things. For one thing, our kids are no longer kept out of > school and either hidden away or institutionalized. Our kids are > drawing the correct diagnosis now, too, where they might not have 20 > years ago....they wanted to believe my son was schizophrenic for a while > there, and then they wanted to believe he was retarded. He is, in fact, > HFA/AS. And both pediatricians and neurologists (as well as those who > screen newborns) are a lot more aware of autism now than they were then. > And we hear about it more now, because it's no longer thought of > something private, to be ashamed of, that polite people didn't bring up. > > > > > However, this does seem odd to blame thimerosal for the sudden jump > > in ASD disorders. > > > > > Thimerosal is a toxin. Mercury poison produces the same symptoms of > > autism. A lot of kids are unable to move mercury out of their > > systems. So it stays in their systems and affects development > > behavior and has the symptoms of autism. More kids are being > > vaccinated. There are high levels of thimerosal in the vaccines. With > > the increase of autism over the years, it's a good bet to blame it on > > thimerosal. Every Scientist will tell you that there is no such thing > > as a genetic epidemic. > > Exactly right on the genetic epidemic thing. This is not an epidemic. > It's an increased awareness, and better diagnostic technique, that has > lead to increased correct diagnosis of autistic people. Mercury is > indeed a poison. That is, methylmercury is. But thimerosol is not > methylmercury, it's ethylmercury. It's much much weaker than the stuff > that used to fill thermometers, because it's a byproduct of > methylmercury. And a study done some years ago of infants proved > resoundingly that infants do indeed clear themselves of ethylmercury: > > At the initial National Vaccine Advisory Committee-sponsored meeting on > thimerosal in 1999, concerns were expressed that infants may lack the > ability to eliminate mercury. More recent NIAID-supported studies at the > University of Rochester and National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, > MD examined levels of mercury in blood and other samples from infants > who had received routine immunizations with thimerosal-containing > vaccines. [Pichichero ME, et al. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002)] Blood > levels of mercury did not exceed safety guidelines for methyl mercury > for all infants in these studies. Further, mercury was cleared from the > blood in infants exposed to thimerosal faster than would be predicted > for methyl mercury; infants excreted significant amounts of mercury in > stool after thimerosal exposure, thus removing mercury from their > bodies. These results suggest that there are differences in the way that > thimerosal and methyl mercury are distributed, metabolized, and > excreted. Thimerosal appears to be removed from the blood and body more > rapidly than methyl mercury. NIAID is sponsoring a follow-up study with > larger numbers of infants in Buenos Aires where thimerosal-containing > vaccines are still administered to children. See the NIH/NIAID > vaccines/thimerosal web site > http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.htm. > (source: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1) > > > I would like to hear the rest of your thoughts on this, because I > > really want to get more " on the ball " for Tommy's future. Tommy was > > always a little intimidating as a baby, and to this day he has yet to > > sleep through the night. > > This is going to sound silly, but try taking apples and apple products > our of his diet and see if this improves his sleeping patterns. Worked > with our guy; I just wish we'd heard about it before he was 17. > > > However, I am REALLY thankful he is otherwise a mellow little boy and > > except for the diaper thing he is really my easiest and least > > aggravating child...at home. I don't like to take him shopping with > > me because there is usually at least one Code Adam alert thanks to > > him! Anyway, thanks for " listening " . I have been wanting to ask that > > about vaccines for ages but haven't been able to find anyone who > > really knew what I was talking about! > > I can understand that. But there's no use worrying about things that > are no longer true. And there's no thimerosol in vaccines here in the > US, the first vaccines being reformulated without it in '99. > Considering that vaccines don't have an unlimited shelf-life, it's > extremely doubtful that any of the old stuff is still around either. > And the danger of *not* vaccinating is much greater than doing so. > Autism won't kill a kid, but diptheria, whooping cough, tetanus, > measles, hard measles, and chicken pox can kill a kid...not to mention > what high temperatures can do to one's brain. > > These are my thoughts and opinions, of course. But they are very > thoroughly researched ones. > > Annie, who loves ya annie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hello Annie, I really enjoyed your letter, love folks that dig out the facts for us about things. That was interesting about the differences in mercury that you explained. I didn't really know very much about it. I know my brothers used to like to break open a thermometers years ago and play with the mercury inside, letting it ball up in their hands and rolling it around. I did it once or twice myself, didn't break the thermometer, but held the mercury. Now this was the BAD kind right, and could even get through our skin and pollute us. I didn't know for quite some time that poisons could get through our skin and into our blood stream, and was quite surprised when I figured that one out! I do think a lot of people are going on blind fear and false assumptions in a lot of things, if not by downright panic. They hear something and then jump the gun and believe it applies to THEM. Like the recent 's food scare, about the finger found in 's chili for example. Everybody who ate at 's was looking for body parts after that. People just tend to jump the gun. And what we are actually supposed to do is settle our minds down, and look at the probabilities of things happening. This is what doctors do or they wouldn't dare prescribe any drug at all, or practice medicine. But I must say it is really stressful to realize that one can ACTUALLY get that 1 in a million thing right on them too! Once that happens it is much harder to trust in probabilities. But then too a person can think, it happened ONCE to my family, so now I am safe. Kind of a reverse psychology. Or they could think they are even more prevalent to it if it happened once, but then that makes the risk of it really happening much higher. I mean a person can think whatever they want to think, I think. I mean a lot of the battle is in the mind, and fear is not a good thing. Onward! Carolyn Re: Fwd: vaccinations SSch184188@... wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/2005 2:24:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > charper777@... writes: > > Speaking as a complete layperson I wonder this about vaccines and > their correlation to autism: Why are there more cases now, then 20 > years ago when thimerosal was in regular use? Again, I haven't done > any research on vaccines from 20 years ago, I am going by what I have > read on the internet and in the odd parenting magazine. > > There are more cases now than 20 years ago because more kids are > being vaccinated now that 2o years ago. Also there are higher levels > of thimerosal being used today than 20 years ago. I believe there are more cases *recorded and identified* today because of several things. For one thing, our kids are no longer kept out of school and either hidden away or institutionalized. Our kids are drawing the correct diagnosis now, too, where they might not have 20 years ago....they wanted to believe my son was schizophrenic for a while there, and then they wanted to believe he was retarded. He is, in fact, HFA/AS. And both pediatricians and neurologists (as well as those who screen newborns) are a lot more aware of autism now than they were then. And we hear about it more now, because it's no longer thought of something private, to be ashamed of, that polite people didn't bring up. > > However, this does seem odd to blame thimerosal for the sudden jump > in ASD disorders. > > Thimerosal is a toxin. Mercury poison produces the same symptoms of > autism. A lot of kids are unable to move mercury out of their > systems. So it stays in their systems and affects development > behavior and has the symptoms of autism. More kids are being > vaccinated. There are high levels of thimerosal in the vaccines. With > the increase of autism over the years, it's a good bet to blame it on > thimerosal. Every Scientist will tell you that there is no such thing > as a genetic epidemic. Exactly right on the genetic epidemic thing. This is not an epidemic. It's an increased awareness, and better diagnostic technique, that has lead to increased correct diagnosis of autistic people. Mercury is indeed a poison. That is, methylmercury is. But thimerosol is not methylmercury, it's ethylmercury. It's much much weaker than the stuff that used to fill thermometers, because it's a byproduct of methylmercury. And a study done some years ago of infants proved resoundingly that infants do indeed clear themselves of ethylmercury: At the initial National Vaccine Advisory Committee-sponsored meeting on thimerosal in 1999, concerns were expressed that infants may lack the ability to eliminate mercury. More recent NIAID-supported studies at the University of Rochester and National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, MD examined levels of mercury in blood and other samples from infants who had received routine immunizations with thimerosal-containing vaccines. [Pichichero ME, et al. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002)] Blood levels of mercury did not exceed safety guidelines for methyl mercury for all infants in these studies. Further, mercury was cleared from the blood in infants exposed to thimerosal faster than would be predicted for methyl mercury; infants excreted significant amounts of mercury in stool after thimerosal exposure, thus removing mercury from their bodies. These results suggest that there are differences in the way that thimerosal and methyl mercury are distributed, metabolized, and excreted. Thimerosal appears to be removed from the blood and body more rapidly than methyl mercury. NIAID is sponsoring a follow-up study with larger numbers of infants in Buenos Aires where thimerosal-containing vaccines are still administered to children. See the NIH/NIAID vaccines/thimerosal web site http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.htm. (source: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1) > I would like to hear the rest of your thoughts on this, because I > really want to get more " on the ball " for Tommy's future. Tommy was > always a little intimidating as a baby, and to this day he has yet to > sleep through the night. This is going to sound silly, but try taking apples and apple products our of his diet and see if this improves his sleeping patterns. Worked with our guy; I just wish we'd heard about it before he was 17. > However, I am REALLY thankful he is otherwise a mellow little boy and > except for the diaper thing he is really my easiest and least > aggravating child...at home. I don't like to take him shopping with > me because there is usually at least one Code Adam alert thanks to > him! Anyway, thanks for " listening " . I have been wanting to ask that > about vaccines for ages but haven't been able to find anyone who > really knew what I was talking about! I can understand that. But there's no use worrying about things that are no longer true. And there's no thimerosol in vaccines here in the US, the first vaccines being reformulated without it in '99. Considering that vaccines don't have an unlimited shelf-life, it's extremely doubtful that any of the old stuff is still around either. And the danger of *not* vaccinating is much greater than doing so. Autism won't kill a kid, but diptheria, whooping cough, tetanus, measles, hard measles, and chicken pox can kill a kid...not to mention what high temperatures can do to one's brain. These are my thoughts and opinions, of course. But they are very thoroughly researched ones. Annie, who loves ya annie@... -- Wandering is one of the most sensible things in the world to do. I highly recommend the pursuit of happiness from east to west, bending and stopping, pausing, enjoying, not going anywhere in particular except down a beach or around a pond, always knowing that there is something wonderful just ahead. --- Ann H. Zwinger, Naturalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hi, I was thinking that maybe some of this has to do with the drug use in pregnant mothers, and who knows maybe even fathers, effecting the sperm? Drug use is epidemic also I think. Does anyone see a correlation there? And maybe it is the way kids are raised, and shuffled around from here to there. I also wonder about what is in our food and air. Lots of bad stuff. And too a lot of kids who would not have made it as newborns, are living now due to modern medical technology. Probably all the above apply to their being more disabled kids in the classrooms, oh yes, and the fact that disabled kids by law can get a public education now. Carolyn Re: vaccinations I have a number of friends that are school teachers. Actually my father is a teacher. They all have told me time and again how over the last 5-10 years, the number of kids in their classes with disabilities has increased. Some have said kids with disabilities were harder before to deal with because there was so little known about them but now what is hard to deal with is the sheer quantity of them. I have yet to talk to a teacher that does not believe it is an epidemic that is getting worse every year.> I have heard and read that one of the reasons there> seems to be many more cases today of ADA than years ago, is> because people are more alert to the disorder, and also> there are professionals in place to recognize it and to test> a child for it. I don't know if this is true or not, but it> does make some sense I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I am not clear about what you mean by drug use. I know for a fact that myself and my husband were not doing drugs before, during or after we got pregnant. Our parents, none of them have ever used drugs not even prescription drugs on a regular basis (except prenatal vitamins). We love our children and have lived in only one house. the rest of the stuff, ok go ahead and worry about it, I do too. JaneCarolyn <charper777@...> wrote: Hi, I was thinking that maybe some of this has to do with the drug use in pregnant mothers, and who knows maybe even fathers, effecting the sperm? Drug use is epidemic also I think. Does anyone see a correlation there? And maybe it is the way kids are raised, and shuffled around from here to there. I also wonder about what is in our food and air. Lots of bad stuff. And too a lot of kids who would not have made it as newborns, are living now due to modern medical technology. Probably all the above apply to their being more disabled kids in the classrooms, oh yes, and the fact that disabled kids by law can get a public education now. Carolyn Re: vaccinations I have a number of friends that are school teachers. Actually my father is a teacher. They all have told me time and again how over the last 5-10 years, the number of kids in their classes with disabilities has increased. Some have said kids with disabilities were harder before to deal with because there was so little known about them but now what is hard to deal with is the sheer quantity of them. I have yet to talk to a teacher that does not believe it is an epidemic that is getting worse every year.> I have heard and read that one of the reasons there> seems to be many more cases today of ADA than years ago, is> because people are more alert to the disorder, and also> there are professionals in place to recognize it and to test> a child for it. I don't know if this is true or not, but it> does make some sense I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Sorry Jane, I did not mean you personally using drugs. But really we all use some kind of drugs. Like me, I am on hormones for hot flashes, even though they have found they are bad for women now, used to believe they were good for us for many years, and many women take birth control pills, then they stop, then they get pregnant. And I am on acid reducer medications for my stomach, have tried several different ones, and take allergy pills on a regular basis. Seems like every time I go to the doctor he wants me on antidepressants, but I don't want to take them, although millions do. All I am saying is that we are in general a drug culture. And then there are the illegal drugs as well of course, and who knows what damage they may be causing in the eggs of women who have not yet conceived. I was just saying that it would be very hard to know what caused what, and I am thankful that scientific people are working on finding some answers, bit by bit. I just think in general people tend to jump the gun, they are just so SURE of something they believe, but have no way possible to prove it. My mom does that with vitamins, drives me nuts! And such is life. Carolyn Re: vaccinations I have a number of friends that are school teachers. Actually my father is a teacher. They all have told me time and again how over the last 5-10 years, the number of kids in their classes with disabilities has increased. Some have said kids with disabilities were harder before to deal with because there was so little known about them but now what is hard to deal with is the sheer quantity of them. I have yet to talk to a teacher that does not believe it is an epidemic that is getting worse every year.> I have heard and read that one of the reasons there> seems to be many more cases today of ADA than years ago, is> because people are more alert to the disorder, and also> there are professionals in place to recognize it and to test> a child for it. I don't know if this is true or not, but it> does make some sense I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 In a message dated 7/12/2005 11:28:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, OMalleyCat01@... writes: was wondering if soemone can point me in the right direction about the best way to administer vaccinations for a family I am working with. They have heard about splitting up the MMR shot, but I have hit a brick wall with how to make that happen. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Taralee two things. = Get Dr. Cave's book gives great advice on how to give vaccinations, spacing, supplements etc I believe Hopewell Pharmacy in Hopewell New Jersey now has the individual vaccines for Measles, Mumps and Rubella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 I already had A, so I only had to have the B & pneumonia vaccinations. Everyone be sure you get you’re Hep A & B shots if you haven’t already. Like Gail said, we can’t handle active A or B on top of C. De RE: Eddie!!!!!! Glad to hear you and yours are safe.Connie we have to be vacinated against A and B cause if we get those diseases on top of having hep c it would kill us.Hep A is airborn so anyone can get it and hep B is serious.I also got vacinated against phemonia.I want to live and these shots prevent me from getting these serious illnessess.Take care hon Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 HBV vaccination is 3 shots & HAV is 2, and you do each series just one time. I get flu shots annually and have for years because of my asthma. De Re: Eddie!!!!!! The HBV & HAV shots are once only, the others are yearly. I get a flu shot & a pneumonia shot yearly 'cause when your immune system is compromised like ours are fighting the HCV we shouldn't have to fight flu or pneumonia SuZie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 HBV vaccination is 3 shots & HAV is 2, and you do each series just one time. I get flu shots annually and have for years because of my asthma. De Re: Eddie!!!!!! The HBV & HAV shots are once only, the others are yearly. I get a flu shot & a pneumonia shot yearly 'cause when your immune system is compromised like ours are fighting the HCV we shouldn't have to fight flu or pneumonia SuZie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 YES, you should get a flu shot,, they are NOT a live virus so whatever you reacted to that last time was not the shot.. and thats a good idea getting all those caccinations done before you started tx,, marvindamartian05 <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Hi All - In the interest of getting as healthy as possible (mind, body, spirit, finances, the whole shebang) before starting treatment, I went to my primary doc today and got immunized against Hep A, B, Tetanus -Diptheria, and pneumoccal virus (viral pneumonia). Did I forget anything? It seems like my primary doctor is overworked , and I am having to educate him about a lot of things, so he didn't suggest any other vaccinations. I sort of feel like I am doing the "doctoring" here.It's not like I want to get a bunch more shots, I had plenty (and have to go back for number 2 for the Hep A and B in a month, then in anojther month, number 3 of the Hep B series), but I don't want to overlook something that can take me out while I am on tx either.Should I get a flu shot? I did that once and it made me sick.Thanks and God Bless, Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Sounds like you received the ones that are the most beneficial for maintaining good health . Just think about how all his future hep c patients will benefit from your educating him ,lol Vaccinations Hi All - In the interest of getting as healthy as possible (mind, body, spirit, finances, the whole shebang) before starting treatment, I went to my primary doc today and got immunized against Hep A, B, Tetanus -Diptheria, and pneumoccal virus (viral pneumonia). Did I forget anything? It seems like my primary doctor is overworked , and I am having to educate him about a lot of things, so he didn't suggest any other vaccinations. I sort of feel like I am doing the "doctoring" here.It's not like I want to get a bunch more shots, I had plenty (and have to go back for number 2 for the Hep A and B in a month, then in anojther month, number 3 of the Hep B series), but I don't want to overlook something that can take me out while I am on tx either.Should I get a flu shot? I did that once and it made me sick.Thanks and God Bless, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 What part of so Cal you in ? Vaccinations> > > Hi All - > > In the interest of getting as healthy as possible (mind, body, > spirit, finances, the whole shebang) before starting treatment, I > went to my primary doc today and got immunized against Hep A, B, > Tetanus -Diptheria, and pneumoccal virus (viral pneumonia). > > Did I forget anything? It seems like my primary doctor is > overworked , and I am having to educate him about a lot of things, so > he didn't suggest any other vaccinations. I sort of feel like I am > doing the "doctoring" here.> > It's not like I want to get a bunch more shots, I had plenty (and > have to go back for number 2 for the Hep A and B in a month, then in > anojther month, number 3 of the Hep B series), but I don't want to > overlook something that can take me out while I am on tx either.> > Should I get a flu shot? I did that once and it made me sick.> > Thanks and God Bless, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 As of last week, the only flu shot available here in Southern California was last years strain. My Primary suggested that I bypass that one since it is not expected to be the strain to hit this year. I did get the first Hep A, my return on that for the second is 6 months. Hep B is on order, it's one, then one in 30 days, then one in 6 months. I also need to get the pneumonia vaccine.. Take care, Sheena marvindamartian05 <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Hi All - In the interest of getting as healthy as possible (mind, body, spirit, finances, the whole shebang) before starting treatment, I went to my primary doc today and got immunized against Hep A, B, Tetanus -Diptheria, and pneumoccal virus (viral pneumonia). Did I forget anything? It seems like my primary doctor is overworked , and I am having to educate him about a lot of things, so he didn't suggest any other vaccinations. I sort of feel like I am doing the "doctoring" here.It's not like I want to get a bunch more shots, I had plenty (and have to go back for number 2 for the Hep A and B in a month, then in anojther month, number 3 of the Hep B series), but I don't want to overlook something that can take me out while I am on tx either.Should I get a flu shot? I did that once and it made me sick.Thanks and God Bless, How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 The OC, Irvine to be exact. > > > > Sounds like you received the ones that are the most beneficial for > maintaining good health . Just think about how all his future hep c > patients will benefit from your educating him ,lol > > Vaccinations > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > In the interest of getting as healthy as possible (mind, body, > > spirit, finances, the whole shebang) before starting treatment, I > > went to my primary doc today and got immunized against Hep A, B, > > Tetanus -Diptheria, and pneumoccal virus (viral pneumonia). > > > > Did I forget anything? It seems like my primary doctor is > > overworked , and I am having to educate him about a lot of > things, so > > he didn't suggest any other vaccinations. I sort of feel like I > am > > doing the " doctoring " here. > > > > It's not like I want to get a bunch more shots, I had plenty (and > > have to go back for number 2 for the Hep A and B in a month, then > in > > anojther month, number 3 of the Hep B series), but I don't want > to > > overlook something that can take me out while I am on tx either. > > > > Should I get a flu shot? I did that once and it made me sick. > > > > Thanks and God Bless, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Get measles and varicella if you never were infected - in older people these can be deadly. My ex had chicken pox when he was 42 and it turned into severe pneumonia! > Hi All - > > In the interest of getting as healthy as possible (mind, body, > spirit, finances, the whole shebang) before starting treatment, I > went to my primary doc today and got immunized against Hep A, B, > Tetanus -Diptheria, and pneumoccal virus (viral pneumonia). > > Did I forget anything? It seems like my primary doctor is > overworked , and I am having to educate him about a lot of things, so > he didn't suggest any other vaccinations. I sort of feel like I am > doing the " doctoring " here. > > It's not like I want to get a bunch more shots, I had plenty (and > have to go back for number 2 for the Hep A and B in a month, then in > anojther month, number 3 of the Hep B series), but I don't want to > overlook something that can take me out while I am on tx either. > > Should I get a flu shot? I did that once and it made me sick. > > Thanks and God Bless, > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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