Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Kat Morgenstern <kmorgenstern@...> wrote: Hi Does anybody know if there is such a thing as a rose CO2 oil? I searched the web and found CO2 rosehip seed (not what I am looking for) and something which appeared to be CO2 oil extracted from the concrete, but I am wondering if there is a CO2 oil of rose (flower) that has not been subjected to any kind of solvent previously? Thanks! Kat Hi Kat Wilde does phytol rose oils..... distilled at extremely low temperatures but the aroma when I have sent or smelt with others. ...... is very very different..... Isabelle went to visit him a month or so back....... she might chime in on this..... Janita --------------------------------- New is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Hi Kat, I buy a rose co2 extract in the UK from this ebay seller. http://search.stores.ebay.co.uk/Home-Aroma_rose-absolute_W0QQfciZ0QQfclZ4QQfsnZH\ omeQ20AromaQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ2QQsaselZ55520423QQsofpZ0 Funny they list it as Morrocan Rose Absolute and the first time I received it I was shocked since it didn't look like absolute but like rose otto in it's solid state - it has the same physical behavior as rose otto, becoming liquid in warmer temperatures only. This oil is so wonderful, smelling of a complete rose aroma, I use it in many of my perfumes and have already used many bottles. Even if the item descriptions of the seller are very unprecise I forgive them due to the great prices and fast service - I also see that they are selling so much that they are not so into little details. You definitely can't go wrong to try a 10ml bottle and see what you'll think of it. Best, Annette http://www.opulentals.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 --- Annette Neuffer <a.neuffer@...> wrote: > Hi Kat, > > I buy a rose co2 extract in the UK from this ebay > seller. > > http://search.stores.ebay.co.uk/Home-Aroma_rose-absolute_W0QQfciZ0QQfclZ4QQfsnZH\ omeQ20AromaQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ2QQsaselZ55520423QQsofpZ0 snipped You > definitely can't go wrong to try a 10ml bottle and > see what you'll think of it. > > Best, Annette > http://www.opulentals.com > I would be very careful with eBay sellers when it comes to buying aromatic materials. The liklihood of adulteration is so high anyway, even with well-known suppliers. If purity is not an issue, or if you have some kind of proof that you're buying the real deal, then that's one thing. But buyer beware! (And I am addicted to eBay!) ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 --- Annette Neuffer <a.neuffer@...> wrote: > Hi Kat, > > I buy a rose co2 extract in the UK from this ebay > seller. > > http://search.stores.ebay.co.uk/Home-Aroma_rose-absolute_W0QQfciZ0QQfclZ4QQfsnZH\ omeQ20AromaQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ2QQsaselZ55520423QQsofpZ0 snipped You > definitely can't go wrong to try a 10ml bottle and > see what you'll think of it. > > Best, Annette > http://www.opulentals.com > I would be very careful with eBay sellers when it comes to buying aromatic materials. The liklihood of adulteration is so high anyway, even with well-known suppliers. If purity is not an issue, or if you have some kind of proof that you're buying the real deal, then that's one thing. But buyer beware! (And I am addicted to eBay!) ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Hi Kat, I buy a rose co2 extract in the UK from this ebay seller. http://search.stores.ebay.co.uk/Home-Aroma_rose-absolute_W0QQfciZ0QQfclZ4QQf snZHomeQ20AromaQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ2QQsaselZ55520423QQsofpZ0 Funny they list it as Morrocan Rose Absolute and the first time I received it I was shocked since it didn't look like absolute but like rose otto in it's solid state - it has the same physical behavior as rose otto, becoming liquid in warmer temperatures only. This oil is so wonderful, smelling of a complete rose aroma, I use it in many of my perfumes and have already used many bottles. Even if the item descriptions of the seller are very unprecise I forgive them due to the great prices and fast service - I also see that they are selling so much that they are not so into little details. You definitely can't go wrong to try a 10ml bottle and see what you'll think of it. Best, Annette http://www.opulentals.com Hi Annette Thanks for the link, but how can you be sure its CO2 extracted and not an absolute, like it says it is? Thanks Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 > Hi Kat, > Funny they list it as Morrocan Rose Absolute and the first time I received > it I was shocked since it didn't look like absolute but like rose otto in > it's solid state - it has the same physical behavior as rose otto, becoming > liquid in warmer temperatures only. ***SNIP** > > Best, Annette Hi Annette, I have never heard of rose otto in a solid state, well I have heard of it turning to crystal if placed in the fridge, but my rose otto is completely liquid, quite thin, and Ireland ain't warm at this time of year. Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Re: Rose co2? > Hi Kat, > Funny they list it as Morrocan Rose Absolute and the first time I received > it I was shocked since it didn't look like absolute but like rose otto in > it's solid state - it has the same physical behavior as rose otto, becoming > liquid in warmer temperatures only. ***SNIP** > > Best, Annette Hi Annette, I have never heard of rose otto in a solid state, well I have heard of it turning to crystal if placed in the fridge, but my rose otto is completely liquid, quite thin, and Ireland ain't warm at this time of year. Ruth I have seen pretty sticky rose otto - more crystaline than waxy. For the CO2 it would make sense if it turned solid easily, since it extracts more of the waxy substances. But I am a little confused by the lack of accurate description of that product. Kat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 27.03.2007 16:38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 > > Hi Does anybody know if there is such a thing as a rose CO2 oil? I searched the web and found CO2 rosehip seed (not what I am looking for and something which appeared to be CO2 oil extracted from the concrete, but I am wondering if there is a CO2 oil of rose (flower) that has not been subjected to any kind of solvent previously? Thanks! Kat ***************** Hi Kat, I buy my Rose C02 from Quinessence in the UK. This oil is a similar consistency to Rose Otto and congeals at low temperatures, but the fragrance is much more rose-like. I must admit I wouldn't ever want to be without this oil because it really helps to create a recognisable rosy note, which sadly the otto or absolute fail to do. http://www.quinessence.com/ranges/absolutes_phytols-28-1.htm Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 > > Hi Kat, > > > Funny they list it as Morrocan Rose Absolute and the first time I > received > > it I was shocked since it didn't look like absolute but like rose > otto in > > it's solid state - it has the same physical behavior as rose otto, > becoming > > liquid in warmer temperatures only. ***SNIP** > > > > Best, Annette > > Hi Annette, > > I have never heard of rose otto in a solid state, well I have heard of it > turning to crystal if placed in the fridge, but my rose otto is completely > liquid, quite thin, and Ireland ain't warm at this time of year. > > Ruth > > > I have seen pretty sticky rose otto - more crystaline than waxy. For the CO2 > it would make sense if it turned solid easily, since it extracts more of the > waxy substances. But I am a little confused by the lack of accurate > description of that product. > > Kat I think we need an expert opinion here, Butch Owen is away I think and he is our #1 on rose! I got mine from him. My absolute I have I got from Mandy Aftel, and I believe hers is " the best of the best of the best " , I also have a sample of rose absolute from Butch Owen which is very similar to mandy's (I would guess they are the same) it's dark orange and a little thicker than the otto although not much. My suppliers are unequivocally trustworthy. Who else is here to clear this matter up for us? Bourbonais, you know your roses, are you out there? Ruth http://www.whitewitch.ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Edited to trim..... Thanks Beverly - I think this might be it. It is definitely the CO2 I am looking for rather than the absolute or the otto. - I just had not been able to find anybody who supplies them before. I am very tempted to try some from this link you sent Beverly. From what I am reading, CO2s are the way to go, although they may be more difficult to work with in perfumery as they often tend to be thicker. Kat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 27.03.2007 16:38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 > > Edited to trim..... > > Thanks Beverly - I think this might be it. It is definitely the CO2 I am > looking for rather than the absolute or the otto. - I just had not been able > to find anybody who supplies them before. I am very tempted to try some from > this link you sent Beverly. From what I am reading, CO2s are the way to go, > although they may be more difficult to work with in perfumery as they often > tend to be thicker. > > Kat *************************************************************** I have a few CO2's now, and I think they have a place in perfumery. I've found that they tend to be lighter/fainter than absolutes and concretes. Sometimes that's what you need in a blend; sometimes it's not. One of my suppliers (I forget which one) told me that many CO2's start out being extracted with hexane before it's processed with CO2, so if you're trying to stay away from hexane, CO2's may not accomplish that for you. I'd be interested to hear Will Lapaz's input on this, for a more expert opinion. -Patty -Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 , you are right that it is dangerous to buy oils on ebay and actually I never do, but this rose co2 and also their rose otto and russian rose absolute. The co2 contains, like Bev stated correctly, a high amount of waxes, like the ottos too, thus the solidifying or chrystallizing or whatever you want to call it. I know it's co2 because I talked to the seller about it and my nose knows it's real :0) Like Bev stated, it has a more complete rose aroma and I'd also be lost without it. I'm also not happy about the confusing information policy, but as soon as companies sell very many products in very high amounts (check the sellers' 100% positive feedback), they can't go into the details like the small businesses charging much higher prices. Recently I have purchased a Moroccan Neroli from New Direction Aromatics, and although some other oils were really wonderful, the Neroli smelled like nothing but Methylnaphtylketone (I have at least already had 10 different Nerolis and also have the synth rotting in the cellar) - big dissappointment :0((( I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's the same stuff Bev is talking about. I also buy Bulgarian Rose oil directly from the producer and from other reputable sellers and I am used to very high quality, so I have many items to compare. Ruth, my co2 or otto roses are also liquid, translucent and thin at room temperature, but below room temperature or in the fridge they change consistency, like jojoba oil for instance does too. Best regards, Annette http://www.opulentals.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Ruth Ruane wrote: > > I have seen pretty sticky rose otto - more crystaline than waxy. For > the CO2 > > it would make sense if it turned solid easily, since it extracts > more of the > > waxy substances. But I am a little confused by the lack of accurate > > description of that product. > > > > Kat > > I think we need an expert opinion here, Butch Owen is away I think and > he is our #1 on rose! I got mine from him. My absolute I have I got > from Mandy Aftel, and I believe hers is " the best of the best of the > best " , I also have a sample of rose absolute from Butch Owen which is > very similar to mandy's (I would guess they are the same) it's dark > orange and a little thicker than the otto although not much. > My suppliers are unequivocally trustworthy. > > Who else is here to clear this matter up for us? > > Bourbonais, you know your roses, are you out there? > Hi White Witch..... I'm no rose expert.....I can't afford it....<G>.... Like you, the rose otto I have came from Butch.....seen the crystals come up the first and last time I stuck it in the refridge....it did seem solid... I think I have three different years.... Sometimes depending, I warm up the bottle between my hands to get it a little more mobile... Never seen any wax... I have an absolute from Butch too, a Musk Rose from Zambia....I think it was a pilot thing he was involved in... That stuff I warm up also.... That and the other rose absolutes I have seem pretty much thicker than warmed up rose otto... I can't help with the Rose CO2......no experience there whatsoever... -- W. Bourbonais L'Hermite Aromatique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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