Re: Dark Cablin and a question?

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> I had to look up what dark cablin was, can anybody guess?

>

> Ruth

>

My first guess is Patchouli (Pogostemon Cablin) that is either aged or

perhaps iron distilled.

I also had one of these obscure component references. The component is

called 'Moschi' in a perfume called " Excelsior Bouquet " . Turns out it

was a way of notating tincture of musk.

iel

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Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote: Hi,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>I had to look up what dark cablin was, can anybody guess?

As soon as I added the hydrosol the perfume became cloudy. Now I read

about this too.

Can somebody please give me a brief run down on the proceedure for

adding the 'eau " to the parfum?

The strength was 20% essence concentrate to alcohol which made up a

total of 6mls of parfum, to which I added 4mls of neroli hydrosol.

BTW the result has promise.

hello Ruth

The Cablin your are referring is the second half of the latin term Pogostemen

cablin or Patchouli, probably from Malaysia rather than pines or

Indonesia. So Dark Cablin ..... Dark patchouli..... either to age or a

particular process of distillation.

Eau de parfam 10-20% of formulae rather than the classic eau de toiletter being

8 - 10% and eau de cologne 3-5% and and eau fraiche which is approx 3%..The

cloudiness will disappear usually takes up to 2 weeks ....... as as the

introduction of water or in your case hydrosol reacts against the oils and

creating cloudiness in the alcohol. Placing it in a refridgerator for this

time will clarify the eau. Filter and bottle.

Some folks add drop by drop the eau or hydrosol to avoid cloudiness

good luck

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[Guest guest]

> As soon as I added the hydrosol the perfume became cloudy. Now I

read

> about this too.

> Can somebody please give me a brief run down on the proceedure for

> adding the 'eau " to the parfum?

> Ruth

Generally essential oils are not soluble in water and solubility in

alcohol increases with alcohol concentration and decreases with it.

When you added water to solution alcohol concentration decreased,

its ability to dissolve oils decreased, parts of the ingredients in

mixture became no more soluble and they reappeared as a cloud (as

these essential oils are not colorless). To avoid this you should

add water slowly and drop by drop while watching carefully, when you

feel solution is starting to get cloudy, you should stop adding

water and add a little bit of alcohol, then it will turn back to its

limpid state (now your concentrations of oils alcohol and water are

optimized). But you should be aware that this is dependent on

temperature, especially if you live in a place where big changes in

temperature occur between seasons. Essential Oils Solubility in

alcohol increases with temperature and decreases with it. If you

make a blending in summer and it turns cloudy in winter this means

the same phenomenon as above has happened due to big temperature

decrease.

antonin

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > I had to look up what dark cablin was, can anybody guess?

> >

> > Ruth

> >

>

> My first guess is Patchouli (Pogostemon Cablin) that is either aged or

> perhaps iron distilled.

> I also had one of these obscure component references. The component is

> called 'Moschi' in a perfume called " Excelsior Bouquet " . Turns out it

> was a way of notating tincture of musk.

> iel

>

Good guess iel, pathchouli it is.

I am going to have another crack at the perfume this morning and easy

does it on the dark cablin, the one I have is the lovely dark

patchouli from Butch Owen.

The cloudiness of last nights " eau " is already starting to dissapear,

however the boronia and jasmine is lost in the heaviness of the

ambriene and the cablin.

I will, use the dark cablin again, ambriene I'm not sure of, you've

given me an idea with the musk, I am thinking africa stone tincture.

Ruth

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > I had to look up what dark cablin was, can anybody guess?

> >

> > Ruth

> >

>

> My first guess is Patchouli (Pogostemon Cablin) that is either aged or

> perhaps iron distilled.

> I also had one of these obscure component references. The component is

> called 'Moschi' in a perfume called " Excelsior Bouquet " . Turns out it

> was a way of notating tincture of musk.

> iel

>

Good guess iel, pathchouli it is.

I am going to have another crack at the perfume this morning and easy

does it on the dark cablin, the one I have is the lovely dark

patchouli from Butch Owen.

The cloudiness of last nights " eau " is already starting to dissapear,

however the boronia and jasmine is lost in the heaviness of the

ambriene and the cablin.

I will, use the dark cablin again, ambriene I'm not sure of, you've

given me an idea with the musk, I am thinking africa stone tincture.

Ruth

[Guest guest]

> I will, use the dark cablin again, ambriene I'm not sure of, you've

> given me an idea with the musk, I am thinking africa stone tincture.

>

> Ruth

>

Hi Ruth!

Just in case you don't know this, but ambriene (or ambrox) is a

synthetic for ambergris. Its also another " odd ball " I've encountered

in my studies.

iel

[Guest guest]

>

> > I will, use the dark cablin again, ambriene I'm not sure of, you've

> > given me an idea with the musk, I am thinking africa stone tincture.

> >

> > Ruth

> >

> Hi Ruth!

> Just in case you don't know this, but ambriene (or ambrox) is a

> synthetic for ambergris. Its also another " odd ball " I've encountered

> in my studies.

> iel

>

I know, I was really surprised the first time I saw this written,

because the similarity of the two completely eludes me, to my nose I mean.

AMBREINE #1

Cistus ladaniferus (or labdanum)

Ruth

[Guest guest]

> > Hi Ruth!

> > Just in case you don't know this, but ambriene (or ambrox) is a

> > synthetic for ambergris. Its also another " odd ball " I've encountered

> > in my studies.

> > iel

> >

> I know, I was really surprised the first time I saw this written,

> because the similarity of the two completely eludes me, to my nose I

mean.

>

> AMBREINE #1

> Cistus ladaniferus (or labdanum)

>

> Ruth

>

Well not completely!

I have been doing a little sniffing and then digging around and found

this, http://www.netstrider.com/documents/ambergris/summary/

I have never seen so much information on Ambergris, link after link!

Ruth