Re: Labdanum EO - Absolute - Ambreine

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> There is also an oil steam distilled from the crude gum, which is an

" amber-colored or

> dark yellow, viscous liquid having a very powerful and tenacious odor: warm

and sweet,

> yet dry and reminiscent of ambra.. " This is probably what is currently being

sold as

> ambreine.

>

> There are also resinoids and absolutes, which are very viscous.

>

> So, it sounds as if you have cistus oil, which is quite well-known to some

aromatherapists

> by the way, rather than labdanum oil.

>

> Tisserand

Hi , Anya and everyone,

Sorry that I have not time to even look at Natural Perfumery posts (let alone

respond to

them) for a couple of months now. I did take a look today and saw some post on

Labdanum so thought that I would respond...

We carry two Labdanum Absolutes and Labdanum Gum (all in stock but our web site

is a

bit out of date). I use the term Ambreine for the two Labdanum Absolutes that we

carry.

Ambreine is not a specific term, and Arctander uses the term entirely

differently. The

Ambreines that we carry are Labdanum Absolutes and not distilled from Labdanum

Gum.

Labdanum Gum is however the starting point for making all of the other Labdanum

products.

Some manufacturers in Europe use the Ambriene term for some of their high

quality (more

highly refined) Labdanum products and that is how I am using it. So, I use the

name

Ambreine to distinguish the less refined Labdanum Absolutes from the more

refined

Labdanum Absolutes. The less refined are more viscous, darker in color and not

soluble

(or only slightly soluble) in fixed oils, whereas the more refined ones are less

viscous,

lighter in color and mostly soluble in fixed oils.

I know the Ambreine term can cause confusion but since I have been using it so

long I just

keep using it.

Cistus eo is another critter altogether as have been suggested by and

others. I have

almost carried it many times, but it is pretty pricey (several times the price

of Labdanum

Absolute) and it has a much more limited use in perfumery than labdanum. It is

also a

slightly obscure aromatherapy oil (used in skin preperations). Cistus eo has a

hard to love

aroma, but some are far nicer than others, so shop around if you are looking for

one with

an attractive aroma. And expect to pay triple the cost of a good Labdanum

Absolute.

Labdanum Gum is great for using to make incense. Labdanum Gum and the less

refined

Labdanum Absolutes are not so great for tincturing (for perfumery) because they

discolor

the alcohol (and hence the perfume) very dark.

Enjoy!

Will Lapaz

Eden Botanicals

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wlapaz <wlapaz@...> wrote:

>

Hi , Anya and everyone,

Cistus eo is another critter altogether as have been suggested by and

others. I have

almost carried it many times, but it is pretty pricey (several times the price

of Labdanum

Absolute) and it has a much more limited use in perfumery than labdanum. It is

also a

slightly obscure aromatherapy oil (used in skin preperations). Cistus eo has a

hard to love

aroma, but some are far nicer than others, so shop around if you are looking for

one with

an attractive aroma. And expect to pay triple the cost of a good Labdanum

Absolute.

Enjoy!

Will Lapaz

Eden Botanicals

Hello everyone

I have found the discourse on Labdanum fascinating..

I have Cistus (wild) which I have been using. Yes, the aroma is, whoah, very

tenaceous and when I first tried it and used it gingerly in a blend it was so

powerful it took it over completely.. In an amber accord I have been utterley

delighted with it. But on its own restraint or tincture is definately called

for..

Janita

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