RE: Opinions - Treating a Colleagues Immidate faimly Members?

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I do the same. Cote DCSilvertonSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Vern Saboe" <vsaboe@...>Sender: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:28 -0700aca chiro list<aca-members@...>; <Oregondcs >Reply "Vern Saboe" <vsaboe@...>Subject: "Opinions - Treating a Colleagues Immidate faimly Members? Dear Colleagues I would like your opinions, My father started our practice in 1956 and in all his years of practice he would never charge for his services when treating the immediate family member of a chiropractic colleague which he refered to as a "professional courtesy." I have carried on that tradition for nearly 30 years and really do view treating the mother, father, or wife, husband or children of a colleague as almost an honor and as a professional courtesy have never charged for my services. Of course that individual fills out all the usual paper work including my informed consent sheet, I take a history, perform a consultation, and most assuredly give that family member my professional best documenting all in my chart notes which are forwarded usually (with permission) to my chiropractic colleague. Though I have no intention of changing this protocol I would be interested to know what you colleagues think? What do you do? Am I archaic in my thinking? Behind the supposed times? A knucklehead? Just curious here in Oregon, Cheers, Vern Saboe DC FACO

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Me too... but do not send to college.Dr. A Caughlin DC CAC155 NW 1st Ave Day, Or. 97845 office 541-575-1063 fax 541-575-5554vsaboe@...; aca-members@...; From: cote@...Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:25:02 +0000Subject: Re: "Opinions - Treating a Colleagues Immidate faimly Members?

I do the same. Cote DCSilvertonSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Vern Saboe" <vsaboe@...>

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Dear Colleagues I would like your opinions,

My father started our practice in 1956 and in all his years of practice he would never charge for his services when treating the immediate family member of a chiropractic colleague which he refered to as a "professional courtesy." I have carried on that tradition for nearly 30 years and really do view treating the mother, father, or wife, husband or children of a colleague as almost an honor and as a professional courtesy have never charged for my services. Of course that individual fills out all the usual paper work including my informed consent sheet, I take a history, perform a consultation, and most assuredly give that family member my professional best documenting all in my chart notes which are forwarded usually (with permission) to my chiropractic colleague.

Though I have no intention of changing this protocol I would be interested to know what you colleagues think? What do you do? Am I archaic in my thinking? Behind the supposed times? A knucklehead?

Just curious here in Oregon,

Cheers,

Vern Saboe DC FACO

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Interesting you should bring that up, Vern. Charging a colleague for treatment is something I would never consider doing. I seem to remember a statement in our oath that we would always treat each other as needed, without concern for recompense. Recently I was challenged on that understanding - made to feel very wrong about my belief - but haven't been able to find a copy of what I remember reciting at graduation. So, now, I often pay for my own treatments but it is not possible for me to charge other DCs.

My understanding didn't include family tho my personal policies often reach that far.

I look forward to seeing / hearing other comments on the issue. Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

aca-members@...; Oregondcs From: vsaboe@...Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:28 -0700Subject: "Opinions - Treating a Colleagues Immidate faimly Members?

Dear Colleagues I would like your opinions,

My father started our practice in 1956 and in all his years of practice he would never charge for his services when treating the immediate family member of a chiropractic colleague which he refered to as a "professional courtesy." I have carried on that tradition for nearly 30 years and really do view treating the mother, father, or wife, husband or children of a colleague as almost an honor and as a professional courtesy have never charged for my services. Of course that individual fills out all the usual paper work including my informed consent sheet, I take a history, perform a consultation, and most assuredly give that family member my professional best documenting all in my chart notes which are forwarded usually (with permission) to my chiropractic colleague.

Though I have no intention of changing this protocol I would be interested to know what you colleagues think? What do you do? Am I archaic in my thinking? Behind the supposed times? A knucklehead?

Just curious here in Oregon,

Cheers,

Vern Saboe DC FACO

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Vern,

My mentor, Dr. MacIlvaine, suggested this is the best policy: treat your colleagues and their families for free. I've always done that and continue to treat colleagues, staff and spouses and children of staff for free.

I'm 61, so I guess this is an archaic practice. But I hope most of us still provide this sort of service. It is a high honor to have a colleague ask for a treatment.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

"Opinions - Treating a Colleagues Immidate faimly Members?

Dear Colleagues I would like your opinions,

My father started our practice in 1956 and in all his years of practice he would never charge for his services when treating the immediate family member of a chiropractic colleague which he refered to as a "professional courtesy." I have carried on that tradition for nearly 30 years and really do view treating the mother, father, or wife, husband or children of a colleague as almost an honor and as a professional courtesy have never charged for my services. Of course that individual fills out all the usual paper work including my informed consent sheet, I take a history, perform a consultation, and most assuredly give that family member my professional best documenting all in my chart notes which are forwarded usually (with permission) to my chiropractic colleague.

Though I have no intention of changing this protocol I would be interested to know what you colleagues think? What do you do? Am I archaic in my thinking? Behind the supposed times? A knucklehead?

Just curious here in Oregon,

Cheers,

Vern Saboe DC FACO

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Bill was both a mentor and good friend (golfing buddy…miss those

knickers) and he and I had spoke of this as well many years ago….miss the

little guy and his “huge heart.”

Vern Saboe

From: Christian Mathisen

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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:10 AM

Vern Saboe; aca chiro list; Oregondcs

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Immidate faimly Members?

Vern,

My mentor,

Dr. MacIlvaine, suggested this is the best policy: treat your

colleagues and their families for free. I've always done that and continue to

treat colleagues, staff and spouses and children of staff for free.

I'm 61, so I

guess this is an archaic practice. But I hope most of us still provide this

sort of service. It is a high honor to have a colleague ask for a treatment.

Christian

Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

3654 S

Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR

97501

cmathdc@...

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" Opinions - Treating a Colleagues Immidate faimly Members?

Dear

Colleagues I would like your opinions,

My

father started our practice in 1956 and in all his years of practice he would

never charge for his services when treating the immediate family member of a

chiropractic colleague which he refered to as a " professional

courtesy. " I have carried on that tradition for nearly 30 years and

really do view treating the mother, father, or wife, husband or children

of a colleague as almost an honor and as a professional courtesy have never

charged for my services. Of course that individual fills out all the

usual paper work including my informed consent sheet, I take a history, perform

a consultation, and most assuredly give that family member my professional best

documenting all in my chart notes which are forwarded usually (with permission)

to my chiropractic colleague.

Though

I have no intention of changing this protocol I would be interested to know

what you colleagues think? What do you do? Am I archaic in my

thinking? Behind the supposed times? A knucklehead?

Just

curious here in Oregon,

Cheers,

Vern

Saboe DC FACO

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Other DCs have actually had you pay for an adjustment?

Treatment??

Vern SAboe

From: Sunny Kierstyn

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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:10 AM

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Immidate faimly Members?

Interesting

you should bring that up, Vern. Charging a colleague for treatment is

something I would never consider doing. I seem to remember a statement in

our oath that we would always treat each other as needed, without concern for

recompense. Recently I was challenged on that understanding - made to

feel very wrong about my belief - but haven't been able to find a copy of what

I remember reciting at graduation. So, now, I often pay for my own

treatments but it is not possible for me to charge other

DCs.

My understanding didn't include family tho my personal policies often reach

that far.

I look forward to seeing / hearing other comments on the issue.

Sunny

Sunny

Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon

2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834

www.drsunnykierstyn.com

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aca-members@...; Oregondcs

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:28 -0700

Subject: " Opinions - Treating a Colleagues Immidate

faimly Members?

Dear

Colleagues I would like your opinions,

My

father started our practice in 1956 and in all his years of practice he would

never charge for his services when treating the immediate family member of a

chiropractic colleague which he refered to as a " professional courtesy. "

I have carried on that tradition for nearly 30 years and really do view

treating the mother, father, or wife, husband or children of a colleague

as almost an honor and as a professional courtesy have never charged for my

services. Of course that individual fills out all the usual paper work

including my informed consent sheet, I take a history, perform a consultation,

and most assuredly give that family member my professional best documenting all

in my chart notes which are forwarded usually (with permission) to my

chiropractic colleague.

Though

I have no intention of changing this protocol I would be interested to know

what you colleagues think? What do you do? Am I archaic in my

thinking? Behind the supposed times? A knucklehead?

Just

curious here in Oregon,

Cheers,

Vern

Saboe DC FACO

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Thanks guys…..Vern

From: Charlie Caughlin

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Me too... but do not send to college.

Dr.

A Caughlin DC CAC

155

NW 1st Ave

Day, Or. 97845

office

541-575-1063

fax 541-575-5554

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I

do the same.

Cote DC

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Dear

Colleagues I would like your opinions,

My

father started our practice in 1956 and in all his years of practice he would

never charge for his services when treating the immediate family member of a

chiropractic colleague which he refered to as a " professional

courtesy. " I have carried on that tradition for nearly 30 years and

really do view treating the mother, father, or wife, husband or children

of a colleague as almost an honor and as a professional courtesy have never

charged for my services. Of course that individual fills out all the usual

paper work including my informed consent sheet, I take a history, perform a

consultation, and most assuredly give that family member my professional best

documenting all in my chart notes which are forwarded usually (with permission)

to my chiropractic colleague.

Though

I have no intention of changing this protocol I would be interested to know

what you colleagues think? What do you do? Am I archaic in my

thinking? Behind the supposed times? A knucklehead?

Just

curious here in Oregon,

Cheers,

Vern

Saboe DC FACO

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Perfectly said big guy!!

Vern

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Vern, the answers to your questions are yes,

yes, and yes. As far as charging our colleagues, and/or their family goes, I

also agree it is our responsibility to make sure we are all well taken care of

with no regard to financial return. I will agree with Dr. Layman that when it

comes to a situation where we will be responsible for reporting to another

institution, such as PIP, WC, or legal representatives, we should be

reimbursed. Unless that is an immediate family member.

I made sure a friend/colleague in Beaverton would bill my auto carrier, since

it was going to be a more involved, extensive therapy plan before seeking

ongoing care.

When we seek care, we have to be mindful of the time we will take from the

doctor's schedule, since most likely the visit will be longer with chit chat

and all.

Just my thoughts.

Grice, DC

Albany, OR

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