Guest guest Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 I received some lovely blue lotus concrete from Samara Botane recently and I am wondering if anyone has some suggestions for me on what to blend it with. What does it get along well with? It is so crisp and ethereal and I certainly don't want to overpower it so I'm tossing around some ideas for a blend but haven't settled on anything. Right now I am finding it so intriguing on its own that I am a little hesitant to even play with it. Thanks in advance for any suggestions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Dear List, I recently had an inquiry to clarify the origin of our blue lotus concrete/absolute and it lead to expand on differences between Nelumbonaceae and Nymphaeaceae. I think it will be of use to you perfumers as you source materials. This is a subject that botanical classifiers have been pondering for years. Most experts now believe that, due to the great differences between rhizomes, flowers and leaves of lotuses and waterlillies, lotuses should be in a family by themselves, Nelumbonaceae, rather than with the family Nymphaeaceae. Nelumbo nucifera is now considered native to Asia, the Philippines, N. Australia, and Egypt . . . however, it probably originated and was introduced from India about 500 B.C. Even though most of my research finds that the blue lotus of the Nile and the blue lotus of India are not classified Nelumbo, but Nymphaea caerulea and Nymphaea nouchali (syn. stellata), respectively, I have communicated extensively with the producers of this product to ascertain its botanical origins. My source for this material is from a family of Ayurvedic physicians who harvest wild stands of aromatic plants, as well as grow their own aromatic crops in various regional locations and primarily use them to produce medicines. They occasionally broker large sales to cosmetic and pharmaceutical companies here in the U.S. and I am privy to buybacks of materials these large companies over purchase. If not for this, I would never have these items in stock; they are much too expensive and only offered in larger quantities than I usually am able to purchase. My friend, McMahon (see last paragraph) also confirms that the blue lotus from India is Nelumbo nucifera. This particular Nelumbo grows in a fairly remote region of Kashmir (North of India), is called commonly called nouchali by native people. These plants exhibit a number of racial variants in different shapes, sizes and color, ranging from shades of pink to light purple/blue and white and having anywhere from 16 to 160 petals. The morphology and color traits are influenced by natural and anthropogenic activities like disposal of domestic and industrial effluents, invasion of aquatic weeds, muddy conditions, and in some areas insecticides and pesticides, as well as drainage, floods and other developmental activities. This has caused sometimes radical biochemical changes in all aquatic plants. A shrinking of the water bodies has also threatened the habitat and distribution of Nelumbo at alarming rates. Since these are grown remotely, I can surmise that they are not affected by the adverse conditions in more urban areas, and perhaps are descended from the original Indian blue lotus. Can I say that for sure. No. I have done as much investigation as I can without actually traveling to this remote region to see it in person. Additionally, I am acquainted with a fairly well known botanist who has traveled in the region (although not specifically to the exact location where these plants originate) and he has confirmed seeing Nelumbo in varying shades of purple/blue. Nelumbo differs from its Nymphaeaceae cousin because of its differing leaf structure. I have also determined from the growers, further morphological differences that would confirm our product is Nelumbo. A pattern of floral development distinguishes the Nelumbonaceae from Nymphaeaceae (both basal angiosperms). Nelumbo have the important features of only two sepals, development of an androecial ring meristem and an apocarpous gynoecium composed of ascidiate carpels hat become imbedded in an expanded receptacle. Secretory papillate trichomes cover the stigma and line the stylar canal. This unique apocarpous gynoecium (lacking the conical residual floral apex) and a greatly expanded receptacle distinguish Nelumbo from the Nymphaea, as does a distinctive androecial ring. Nelumbo is characterized by polysymmetric floral development with petals originating spirally and some in simultaneous whorls (stamens/carpels). This pattern of floral development as well as the pattern of carpel closure by secretion is common in several paleoherbs and eudicots and indicates a polygenetic affinity between Nelumbonaceae and basal angiosperms. Because of its unique floral development and anatomy, Nelumbo appears to be an isolated member of the eudicot clade. McMahon has extensively worked with the Nelumbos (primarily in the S. of India) and this is from his newsletter. " Even to this day though I have trouble describing any of the three lotus absolutes that are being extracted(as the project has evolved we have also successfully extracted white lotus from Tamil Nadu and Blue Lotus from Maharastra. The blue lotus is light blue in color and is not to be confused with the blue lotus of Egypt which belongs to the Nymphaea genus. But it is very interesting to note that the blue lotus blossoms of Maharastra are much smaller than either pink or white lotus and that the consistency of the oil is much less viscous than the white and pink. These are plants of the water and their is something of that element that is incorporated into the bouquet. They also draw their sustenance from muddy earth which is constantly saturated with water and this again plays a part in their aromatic profile. With regards to Pink Lotus there is a definite rich powdery bouquet with a medicinal note appearing at the top. Behind this is a a soft ethereal bouquet which one would not call sweet.. It is almost resinous. I would say that of the three lotus absolutes, the pink is the lotus of the earth. It may be for this reason that Pink Lotus is sacred to Lakshmi Devi the Goddess of wealth. But there is hidden with this essence another dimension of refinement that one must explore themselves. " Hope this adds to your aromatic plant and perfume information. Be well, Marcia Elston Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence, est. 1988 <http://www.wingedseed.com/> http://www.wingedseed.com Online 3/95 <http://www.aromaconnection.org/> http://www.aromaconnection.org Group Blog 2/07 " Historically, the most terrible things - war, genocide and slavery - have resulted from obedience, not disobedience. " Zinn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Marcia what wonderful info you have shared with us. Thank you. I was very interested in your comment about the Nelumbo nucifera now considered to be a native to N. Australia, that's where i live. I will see what i can find! I have the Pink Lotus and love the earthy/muddyness of it. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 " Marcia Elston " <samara@...> wrote: Dear List, I recently had an inquiry to clarify the origin of our blue lotus concrete/absolute and it lead to expand on differences between Nelumbonaceae and Nymphaeaceae. I think it will be of use to you perfumers as you source materials. This is a subject that botanical classifiers have been pondering for years....< Marcia, Thanks for posting this here, I appreciated your answer to my query and your commitment to accuracy in this confusing clan of plants. As I mentioned to you, I have a special relationship with the Nymphaeas (12 hours' worth of tattoo work of them on me), and I am always interested in learning more about them and the Nelumbos. Nymphaea, the Blue Waterlily of Egypt, is getting more popular now as an herb for meditation (best case scenario) or legal high (less wise usage). It gets called " Blue Lotus " by most of the online dealers, and I tell ya, that just bugs me to no end! As Marcia said, there are bluish lotuses, and hers do seem to be a Nelumbo, true lotus, which is really exciting to me. But so many of the herb dealers out there don't care about the botanical nitpickery, so we have 752,000 Google results for Blue Lotus that are nearly all Nymphaea, the waterlily. I'm new to perfumery, so I can't speak to their differences in that area, but they are very different herbally, and the difference is connected to their botanical qualities. Lotus, Nelumbo, has leaves with a texture that makes them self-cleaning, and she holds her leaves above the water, out of the muck. Lotus is very much associated with Quan Yin, the Bodhisattva of compassion, who is often depicted riding a wild dragon, yet with not a hair out of place. To me, both speak of an unassailable purity. Waterlilies, Nymphaea sp., form the classic lily pads on the surface of the water, floating there and riding the waters. Most waterlilies have a " floaty " herbal effect to them, used to calm and ease pain and distress. The quality I feel is like being in a boat- at the mercy of the motion of the water, but that motion itself becomes soothing. The incomparable blue waterlily of Egypt is one of these, and it opens each day at dawn, closing in the evening (I've seen this like clockwork even from a vase of cut ones I had in a hotel room!). The gold of the blue waterlily's center is like the sun in the sky, and their rising and falling through the surface of the water made them a symbol of rebirth and also sacred to Nefertem, the god of perfume. The hotel room bouquet I had of them a few years back was unbelievable, the smell left me literally dysfunctional and stupid it was so intoxicating. Waterlilies in the Americas and Europe were held in much the same regard. Anyway, thanks for indulging me on this little rant, to me, it's a good illustration of how what seems to be botanists hair splitting can reflect deeper meaning about plants. For anyone interested, one of the best resources I've seen on Waterlilies & Lotuses is this website: http://victoria-adventure.org/ Stepping off the soapbox now..... -leaves of joy / Micah www.al-kemi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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